Impeachment: "Breaking The Rules" To Fix The System Pt 2 ( Political Duality of Rep and Dem, Pt 5b)

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Oct 28, 2007 at 11:03


As part of my longer series, "Breaking the Rules" is intended to address the question of how liberals and Democrats can break the rules of "politics as usual" without beceoming "just like the Republicans."

Part 1 provided a first example: the model of a strike against the Supreme Court as a possible response to the Court's lawless ruling in Bush v. Gore.  This was obviously a rather far-fetched example from a practical point of view, but it had the benefit of conceptual clarity, and close relationship with the classsic historical example of Thoreau's civil disobedience in going to jail, rather than paying taxes to support the Mexican-American War.

In this part I consider a much more realistic example: the use of impeachment proceedings to expose Bush Administration lawlessness and the moral bankruptcy of movement conservatism, but without the intention to remove him from office.

Using the impeachment process in this way is intended to accomplish a primary goal of impeachment--reigning in a lawless executive branch and re-establishing the system of checks and balances on which our democracy depends.  It foregoes the means of removal for pragmatic reasons only: first, a Senate so politicized would never vote for impeachment, and second, the time needed for impeachment to run its course would leave the action largely moot.

By abjuring the purely political goal of removing the President (and, of course, Vice-President) from power, impeachment on these terms could also restore the proper solemnity and purpose to the mechanism of impeachment, which the conservatives have so thoroughly debased with their power-mad attempt to drive Clinton from office.

Such a strategy would be an utterly exemplary act of level 4 thinking in action.  It would address a total breakdown in how level 3 roles and relationships are supposed to work, restore the functionality and reaffirm the underlying purpose while establishing a guiding autonomous framework of principle apart from those roles and relationships, capable of critiquing and revising them when they go off track.

Paul Rosenberg :: Impeachment: "Breaking The Rules" To Fix The System Pt 2 ( Political Duality of Rep and Dem, Pt 5b)
Background

First, let's reveiw where we are. The longer series is about grappling with a conundrum:  Democrats are as incompetent with political process as Republicans are with policy.

A significant key to why this is so lies in the realm of cognitive development: On policy matters, Republicans (dominated by movement conservatives) cling to "traditional values"--the set of expectations and understandings that are generated out of the pre-existing social system--what psychologist Robert Kegan identifies as "level 3" consciousness.  These work reasonably well in traditional societies, but cannot cope with the complexity of modern ones.  And yet movement conservatives cannot question them, because they serve to define the very ground of being for level 3 consciousness. Liberals and Democrats operate on a higher level--level 4--which takes the social system and its defining roles and relationships as object--but they do so only on policy mattes.  When it comes to political manuevering, the roles are reversed: Liberals and Democrats operate at level 3, playing by the rules because they cannot conceive of doing otherwise.

Clearly, however, liberals and Democrats do have the capacity to think at level 4.  It is merely that they habitually do not do so with respect to political processes, and a large part of the reason is bound up in their relationship to conservatism.  Historically, liberals have been quite restrained in advancing their ideas, seeking more to build on existing structures and assumptions--the level 3 foundations of law and custom--than to build totally anew.  Having done so initially in the creation of the modern liberal order during the New Deal, liberals and Democrats have similarly been quite procedurally conservative in seeking to maintain the stability of the existing political order.

However, such intentions are inherently self-defeating in the face of a radical reactionary conservative movement whose aims are to utterly subvert that system by any means necessary, using its key features when convenient, and casting them utterly aside when not.  Faced with such an onslaught, which treats the level 3 system of existing political arrangements (all the way back to Magna Charta) as an object for unrestrained manipulation, the only possible successful response is to likewise adopt a level 4 stance that views such arrangements as object--but does so from a principled position, which is how normal, healthy level 4 thinking works in the first place.

Re-Drawing The Distinctions

The immediate problem that confronts liberals and progressive is a confusion between two distinct things: the conservatives lawless pursuit of power as an end in itself, and the flexibility of action entailed by level 4 thinking, which is guided but not constrained by traditional roles, relationships and social responsibilites.  The former--conservative lawlessness--is a function of attitudinal factors, such as rightwing authoritarianism (RWA) and social dominance orientation (SDO) which shape a threatening dog-eat-dog worldview in which all's fair on the presumption that one inherently has God on their side.  The Spanish Inquisition was right: Torture is fine, because one is torturing in God's name.  Such is their fundamental logic, which George Lakoff has sketched out in detail based on the Strict Father model which he first introduced in Moral Politics.

It is this logic which causes each conservative venture into manipulating level 3 customs, practices and instutitions to be so ruinous and immoral.  It is not the manipulation per se that is at fault, but the motivation and the logic behind the manipulation.  Of course it is quite prudent to be wary of level 4 manipulations, when our constitutional system of checks and balances is itself a level 3 entity.  However, we must never forget that it was intentionally created, and such an act of creation was inherently a product of level 4 consciousness.

There is a lesson here: we can trust ourselves to venture into level 4 waters, provided that we do so openly, deliberatively, tentatively and without guile.  The aims must be for the good of the whole level 3 system of relationships that will proceed in altered form after our level 4 intervention, not merely for one particular set of actors.

Impeachment As An Example

With this in mind, we are ready to consider the example of impeachment.  There is no doubt that impeachment is called for.  As John Dean pointed out years ago, the current crisis is Worse Than Watergate.  As he explained in his interview on Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman:

AMY GOODMAN: Your book is called, "Worse Than Watergate." Why?

JOHN DEAN: Well, actually, the title, as I explain in the preface of the book, had multiple purposes. It is declarative. Is subjective in a sense, it is also interrogative. The title actually came from a column that I had published in my regular column, and then it was republished by "Salon," magazine and they put the title, "Worse Than Watergate" on it. My editor happened to see that, and about the same time that happened, Chris Matthews on "Hardball" had Ed Gillespie of the Republican National Committee on, and it was about the time that Valerie Plame(?), her true identity as a C.I.A. covert agent was released. Chris said to Gillespie, "That underlying conduct is worse than Watergate, isn't it?" And the Chairman of the Republican National Committee agreed it was. These things sort-of came together about the same time we were titling this book. The editor suggested this title and I said it really works in many ways, more ways than I ever anticipated. There are, as I outline in the book, something like 11 inchoate scandals that are available right now to really become a serious part of this administration. The worst problem, though, is the problem that Senator Kennedy just addressed. Nobody died during Watergate. None of the Watergate -- so-called Watergate "abuses of power" resulted in the loss of a life. And we're in a situation now where the abuse of power has cost a lot of lives.

AMY GOODMAN: We interviewed you when you were talking about the impeachable crimes of George Bush, if in fact he lied. Are you convinced he did now?

JOHN DEAN: I am convinced he did lie, and in fact I put an appendix in the book to really show others how they can establish that for themselves. What I did is I looked at one of his major speeches. And took the statements that he had made relying on rather publicly available material. It's not highly classified. There are reports that anyone who takes the trouble to look online can find. And you can see where he literally takes a statement and drops all of the qualifications, all of the modifiers and makes it a declarative statement. He does it time after time after time. This is a misrepresentation of the facts. When he went to Congress in October of 2002 to get a resolution to go to war in Iraq, he wanted something that the Congress had never given before, which was a delegation of a power that he wouldn't have to go back to Congress to get war powers when he actually went to war. The Congress had never granted such a power. So, the Congress said, all right. We'll take the two -- we'll do this with conditions. The two conditions are -- really the premise that he had been arguing for war. So, when they granted the resolution, they said, we want a formal Presidential declaration from you that, one, there is no diplomatic way to resolve the problems of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. That was the first condition. The second condition was that going to war in Iraq would be consistent with the war on terrorism, which was his second point, that there was an Al Qaeda connection with Saddam Hussein, was the implicit rationale. Bush, in a secret deal with the House of Representatives, agreed to that. The resolution was written, passed and signed by the President. No one really paid any attention to this resolution, and the President in March of 2003 goes to war. 48 hours after, under the resolution, he had to report that he had done that, and he had to submit his formal declaration. His declaration is one of the most -- I can't really find the right word for it, Amy. It's just -- I use all of the modifiers I can think of in the book. It's a fraud. It is a deliberate, misleading resolution the President himself asked for. It's a violation of trust to the Congress who granted him very unusual powers. It's a violation of the trust of the American people. His declaration is phony. His determination, excuse me, is phony. It's actually bizarre. So I lay that out in the book to explain to people what he has done and how he did it, and how questionable it really is.

Going further, in another Democracy Now! interview, former US prosecutor Elizabeth De La Vega lays out the framework of the legal case against Bush and his administration for violation of specific statutes prohibiting fraud.  Such an approach clearly grounds impeachment in a solid level 3 context--violation of a law that is more than 100 years old:

AMY GOODMAN: Elizabeth de la Vega's mock indictment appears in a new book entitled United States v. George W. Bush, et al.. De la Vega spent 20 years in the US Attorney's office. She was an Assistant US Attorney in Minneapolis, as well as a member of the Organized Crime Strike Force and Branch Chief in San Jose, California. She joins us here in New York. Welcome to Democracy Now!

ELIZABETH DE LA VEGA: Thanks for having me, Amy.

AMY GOODMAN: So, how did you come up with this? What made you decide to do this?

ELIZABETH DE LA VEGA: Well, I was an Assistant US Attorney up until 2004, so I was still working as an Assistant US Attorney when the President and his senior aides started their marketing campaign for the war. And at the same time, of course, the Enron case was happening, and I was observing the similarities between what the President was doing in order to deceive the public regarding the war and the same type of techniques that the Enron people used to defraud their investors. And, of course, in the case of the Enron fraud, the public was absolutely outraged, and rightly so. And they have been, in the main, held accountable.

But yet, the President, who has caused this fraud that has obviously been far graver in scope and the consequences have been horrific, has not been held accountable in any way. So, I wanted to explain to people in a very non-charged atmosphere, which is the atmosphere of a hypothetical grand jury, exactly how this fits into the elements of a crime, which is conspiracy to defraud the United States.

AMY GOODMAN: So, lay out your case. Lay out this indictment.

ELIZABETH DE LA VEGA: Okay. Well, first of all, in order to understand the case, you have to understand the law. And a conspiracy to defraud the United States is in Title 18, United States Code, Section 371. It's a statute that's been around for over a hundred years. It was charged against people in the Watergate era and also Iran-Contra. And what it means is basically taking concerted action to use deceit or what's called "trickery" to interfere with any branch of government or an agency. And, of course, Congress is a branch of government.

So, the case, as I lay out in the -- it's a hypothetical indictment, of course. But the case really starts with the actions of the administration right after 9/11 and proceeds with how they used the fear that was engendered by 9/11, and they actually aggravated that fear. And then they started off, as we all recall, with sort of generally false assertions that had no basis in fact, such as that Iraq was a grave and gathering danger, when at the time the National Intelligence Estimate said no such thing.

And when those types of generalized false statements were not persuasive by the summer of 2002, they started with the White House Iraq Group, and then they became more specific, and they used a combination of half-truths. We have the story of Vice President Cheney recurringly saying that we know that there are chemical weapons, because Saddam Hussein's son-in-law told us, while, in fact, that was a half-truth, because the other half of the story was that he also had told us that they were destroyed. We have Condoleezza Rice saying these aluminum tubes are only suitable for nuclear weapon centrifuges. Well, at that time, there are at least 14 reports available to the administration which showed that that was at least dubious and actually controverted by our nuclear experts.

We have Rumsfeld saying we know where the weapons of mass destruction are, north, south, east and west of Tikrit, somewhat. Well, that was what we would call in the law, and it's really kind of a common sense thing, a statement made with reckless disregard for the truth, because the law actually prohibits people who are in a position of authority, who are trying to persuade people either to do something, to buy something -- it applies to investment fraud or the executive branch -- from making statements without actually having any basis in fact. And I don't think people actually realized that. It's sort of an intuitive thing, but I don't think people realized that the law actually prohibits that, as well.

This is, of course, only one of many areas in which the Bush Administration has acted lawlessly.  The same sort of thorough, methodical approach is called for in regard to all these other areas as well.  While the objection was made that impeachment would mean that Congress would not get anything else done, time has shown what should have been obvious from the beginning: a lawless administration was not about to let Congress do anything meaningful in the first place--other than to give it even more power to act unaccountably.

On the other hand, impeachment proceedings that were intentionally restrained from the beginning would have placed enormous pressure on the White House to prove through its actions that it was above the level of conduct that the impeachment investigations would be revealing on a daily basis.  If ever there was any chance of getting the Bush Administration to act responsibly, then this was it: subject its past transgressions to relentless scrutiny so that its only defense would be to act honorably, in order to ostensibly give the lie to what it had already done.  I do not hold much hope that this would have happened.  More likely Bush and Cheney would merely dig in their heels all the more.  But without such pressure, there was no chance whatsoever of responsible action on their part. A slim chance is better than none.

Far more important than what BushCo would do is the question of what Democrats would stand for, what kind of marker they would lay down for the next election--and for beyond, for the possibility of a generational (and more) political realignment.  By separating the process of impeachment from the ultimate power play of removing a President from power, and focusing it entirely on the morality, legality and legitimacy of an entire administration, Democrats would have created an ideal forum for clearly defining the stark differences between Republican lawlessness and Democratic respect for the rule of law.

Instead, they have allowed themselves to be tied into knots, with the end result that they have given their blessing to further lawlessness, thereby erasing the very distinction they should have been doing everything possible to stress.  Every screw-up, every missed opportunity, every reactive attack on their own allies--such as MoveOn.org--directly flows from the Democrats failure to place the Bush Administration and the Republicans permanently on the defensive for what they have done to destroy our system of government.

After 6 years of lawless rule, our country desperately needed a time of reckoning.  Impeachment on these terms--as a form of national truth-telling--is precisely the sort of principled breaking of level 3 rules that can be devastatingly effective in countering the lawless and arbitrary breaking of level 3 rules on which conservative power is built.

This is how liberals, progressive and Democrats should conduct themselves in breaking the rules of level 3 custom, re-creating the level 4 context in which our country was originally established.


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Corruption On Both Sides (0.00 / 0)
Your plan assumes that the Democrats care about reinstituting checks and balance and concepts such as justice under the law. If they merely care about safely maintaining their own power, they won't do anything like what you're proposing.

And in fact they're not doing anything like you're proposing and they have no plans to do so. And I'll bet you're going to go and vote for them next election too, because they're the lesser of two evils.


It's Hard To Imagine A More Knee-Jerk Reaction (4.00 / 4)
to a piece of complex argument.  Your objection assumes that "the Democrats" are a monolith.  This is piss-poor level 2 thinking, nowhere close to the level of cognitive complexity I'm discussing.

Obviously, the there are all sorts of contradictory motivations and concerns on the Dem side of the aisle, as there have been all throughout the party's history.  Like Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to any organized party.  I'm a Democrat!"

Progressives have fought for generations within the Democratic Party to make it a more progressive vehicle for social and political change.  Sometimes they have the wind at their backs, sometimes they face a fierce headwind, but they never ran the whole show, and the intelligent ones never imagined that they had to in order to do some good.  If the majority of progressives ever had thought in the same simplistic ahistorical terms as you do, the fascists would have taken over this country years ago.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Your third paragraph deserves its ... (4.00 / 1)
...own Diary.

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Ah, The Terrible Fractal Tyranny Of Blogotopia! (4.00 / 1)
I bet you say that to all the bloggers!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I agree (4.00 / 2)
One of the major positives that would come out impeaching either or both of Bush and/or Cheney would be that it would make it MUCH more likely that courts would side with the Congress when suits are filed to demand materials be produced, that people be held in contempt for not testifying, etc.

When an administration is this lawless and has such contempt (both in general attitude, but also legal) for our elected Congress, impeachment is in fact the remedy that is supposed to be used.

Great diary, Paul.


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Your missing the merit of Paul's post ... (4.00 / 1)
... which is that pushing impeachment is a good idea, DESPITE the fact that it won't get that far!

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Although I Think He Has A Point (0.00 / 0)
The mere act of Congress asserting it's intention the way I envisioned it would probably have some of the effect Ron points to. I certainly did intend that Congress should investigate thoroughly, which would mean that the court decisions would come down, just as Ron envisions.

So, in short, I think it's a classic case of "Stop!  You're both right!"

Or, "Party on, Dudes! You're both right!"

Whatever.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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No, I got that (4.00 / 1)
I just didn't address it.

But Paul pretty much connected the dots anyway. The problem is the establishment media and right-wing noise machine either don't or refuse to read the Constitution and understand our actual system, or they don't actually care (I favor the latter thesis). And as he discusses, impeachment as a mechanism was destroyed by the Republicans in the whole Clinton imbroglio.

So here's what I would do, were I in Congress: call a press conference and play the opening remarks of Barbara Jordan focusing her unbeatable intellect on the heart of the issue at the HJC hearings in 1974. Play them on the floor of the House in my late night remarks, which are broadcast on CSPAN. Get bloggers involved. Try and shame the attack poodles in the media to understand what impeachment is and ought to be about. Ms. Jordan's words have that effect.

I actually do think, in this case, pressing the idea of impeachment helps make it happen. I agree conviction in the Senate is a non-starter -- right now. But in order to pull the threads that get us the answers, the idea of impeachment needs to be on the table. Pelosi, Hoyer, Emmanuel, probably Conyers -- these will not be the vessels. But there might be other heroes out there, ready to step up and do their duty.

So my level 4 thesis: talking about the process, history, intent, and effect of impeachment makes it more likely to happen, and makes it more likely that someone gets held accountable for all this lawlessness. Instead of cowering from, "Oh, we knew it, you liberals just want to impeach to get back at Republicans for Clinton," you turn it around as "No, I feel obligated to consider impeachment to honor the will of the people that elected this Congress, to uphold my oath to the Constitution that we ask our soldiers to swear an oath to, and to return accountability to our politics."


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Excellent Points (0.00 / 0)
Jordan's remarks remain incredibly powerful, and should certainly be employed as a conerstone of any serious effort to undo the pernicious effects of the Republican witch-hunt of Clinton.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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FISA, Blackwater, Halliburton, Etc. (0.00 / 0)
I don't know if you've noticed, but the fascists *have* taken over this country.

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Cannot prove that by me... (4.00 / 1)
Blackwater is on the way out. The IRS will not be charitable. Now you would say that that's not the result of the Democrats being in power or a response to public opinion because Tim Russert, Hannity and the rest of the corporatist press says it's not.

But you and they would be wrong. Our society, much like the immune system of the human body, has multiple ways of dealing with disease an it's gearing up, albeit slowly, to exterminate the 'disease' we call Fascism.

America has faced these vile scum before and rid itself of same.

And no I ain't talkin' about Hitler as you may or may not know Fascism had it's American adherents before WWII. They did not survive FDR.

But that probably doesn't interest you as you are the worst type of concern troll. The kind that....

Has already given up.

Let us know when you've decided to 'Fight Back!'

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I Do Not Think That Word Means What You Think It Means (0.00 / 0)
Hitler was not a Fascist. He was a Socialist, which is in many ways the opposite of a Fascist.

I can see that you don't understand the basic terms we're using here, and I'm not going to teach them to you. Go read a few dozen books and then maybe you can join a discussion about international politics.


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Okay, Troll, You've Had A Nice Run (0.00 / 0)
I held my tounge a bit earlier, since I usually like to give trolls enough rope to hang themselves.

But this is ridiculous!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Come on. (0.00 / 0)
You're whining about me now? He called Hitler a fascist. This guy was using terms which have specific and technical meanings that he obviously does not understand.

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Wow, it'll take a series just to reply to this ... (4.00 / 1)
... but for starters.

Stop me if you've heard this one.  Actually, don't.  Farmer has a mule, but the mule won't get up and pull the wagon.  A really smart mule.  Mule won't budge, so he grabs a 2x4 and whacks the mule over the head.  The mule starts pulling the wagon.  His friend sez, "If that's such a smart mule, why'd you hafta whack him with the 2x4?"  Farmer sez, "First I had to elevate his consciousness to level 4!"

ba-da-boom!

So you reference the New Deal, and how smart Roosevelt was.  Well, Roosevelt was a real smart guy, and is one of my minor heroes.  But he didn't just look out his window, see the masses suffering, and come up with the New Deal.  At the time, the CPUSA was organizing like mad, the industrial union movement was a combination of angry and desperate Americans and, well, on the march (hands on the point of production), millions of Americans were questioning the foundations of capitalism.  There was a serious force and any capitalists with a brain in their head was scared that it was all going to come apart.  Roosevelt's New Deal was a response to that organizing.

It was a brilliant response, I don't want to take away his conceptualizing the New Deal or, more importantly perhaps, his capability to make it happen.  He didn't pull a Czar Nicholas or a Louis XVI or anything like that.  (Though Bush certainly would.)  But there was a synthesis of consciousness and organized force that led to progress.

My point is that in analyzing consciouness, is has to take in that synthesis.  My fear is that, in terms of organized force, the right is in a better position.  In extremis, if the shit completely hit the fan, their Islamofascist Awareness idiots would all too quickly turn into stormtroopers, and I'm not sure where our red guards would come from.

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Obviously, All That Mass Organizing Matters A LOT (0.00 / 0)
as does the existence of real alternatives.  Which is why Venezuela, with its growing ranks of allies, matters so much.  We desperately need viable alternatives to the neoliberal dead end. As soon as the Soviet Union disappeared, Western politics got an order of magnitude meaner, almost overnight, because they knew they could get away with it.  So I'm certainly not one who imagines that politics occurs in a vacuum, and elites are interested in the common good.

But I'm not sure exactly how this awareness impacts what I have to say in this diary.  I am taking a very narrow focus that is not intended to say anything about the power dynamics of the Democratic Party.  It is, however, intended to clarify the kinds of things we might ask for that cannot so easily be written off or ignored.  That said, I am interested in what other connections you think might be made.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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If everyone ... but there's the rub (0.00 / 0)
OpenLeft often features One Little Candle ideas.  "If everyone ... what a bright world it would be."  Or what if all the Chinese jumped into the air at the same time, would it throw the planet off its orbit?  (This was tried unsuccessfully by Chairman Mao in 1953, the Great Leap Upward.)

Impeaching Bush/Cheney is most assuredly NOT one of those!

It has broad mass support, yet hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of happening because the congressional Democrats simply lack the guts.  This is the key contradiction arising with issue after issue, and it's fuck-em-all character gives me an emotional charge that more technocratic suggestions don't.  Don't accuse me of loving cheap thrills.  Or a least loving JUST cheap thrills.  That emotional charge carries the potential of actually moving people.

But how do we separate impeachment from all the Little Candle ideas floating around?  The CP used to have this dictum when organizing a campaign:  organize ourselves, organize the organizers, organize the masses.  Insightful, if a bit linear.

My point is that an organizing concept is at its strongest when there is a dynamic link between an issue and its pursuit.  Allow me to ramble a bit, to lay out the elements that need to be considered.

Enter Cindy Sheehan, stage left.  (How's that for a ramble?)  If Pelosi doesn't support impeachment, challenge her in the primary and then as an independent.  Be a pain in the ass.  That fits in somewhere between the Bush Dog campaign and my crazy idea of filing for every congressional primary.  Don't go for all seats.  Don't go for the most reactionary Democrats.  Go after 12 Democrats who should be providing leadership, but aren't.  A dozen of these challenges would advance two ideas simultaneously -- impeachment on its merits, and "I'm mad as hell, etc."  Considering the outrage the very mild Bush Dog campaign got, this should raise the roof.

But it's not going to happen.  Too little too late.  So, Paul, why are you bothering?  Because there's a concept here that's right now more important than impeachment itself.  Breaking the rules.

Some may recall, I once advocated giving up on influencing the 2008 election and instead gearing up for 2010.  I still hold to that.  It's known as a conjunctural approach.  Let's move that to 2012, to give ourselves a little breathing room.

Imagine (this shouldn't be too hard) that after Hillary has moved into the White House, the Democrats do something (or refuse to do something) really outrageous.  How do we begin to position ourselves NOW so that when it happens, we are in a position to run 2, 3, many Sheehans.  Or some other tactic, as appropriate.  I'm also trying to work a concept, not detail tactics.

Organize ourselves.  That's what you're doing, Paul.  But who are "ourselves"?  OpenLeft readers?  Some OpenLeft readers?  Progressive Democrats?

Organize the organizers.  Into what?  An independent party?  An internal caucus like DSOC/DSA?  A pressure group like MoveOn (which I consider too tied to Democratic orthodoxy methodologically to fill the bill)?  Worth some thought.

Organize the masses.  Around what?  Socialism?  Dead horse.  Participatory Democracy?  Hmmm.  3rd party?  We know the problems there.

But not like the CP, which had both the merit of a handed-down methodology and its shortcomings.  Not in linear fashion.  Even at the organize ourselves "stage," I think the other elements need to be part of that organizing process.

Embrace the contradictions.  At the moment, we are weak.  But all I know is that they try to kill me ...

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You've Said A Mouthful (4.00 / 1)
And I would maybe 2/3 agree with 90% of what you say, or 90% agree with 2/3 of what you say.  But either way, a lot of it would be off-topic of what I'm trying to do here, which is to carve out some clarity about certain matters that I think keep tripping us up.  And while I agree 100% with you that there are other things we need to be concerned about, I really want to nail this part of it down, while I've got it right in front of me.  So allow me to narrowly focus on just one part of your comment, and approach it purely from the perspective underlying this series.

To wit:

Impeaching Bush/Cheney is most assuredly NOT one of those!

It has broad mass support, yet hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of happening because the congressional Democrats simply lack the guts.  This is the key contradiction arising with issue after issue, and it's fuck-em-all character gives me an emotional charge that more technocratic suggestions don't.  Don't accuse me of loving cheap thrills.  Or a least loving JUST cheap thrills.  That emotional charge carries the potential of actually moving people.

Okay, first of all, I have no doubt that we have a lot anatomically incomplete congresscriters.  "Jellyfish" I likes to call 'em.  But Kegan's typology strongly suggests that this is a mistaken analytical approach.  Why?  Because characteristics like "courage" or "guts" are basically Level 2 "Enduring Dispositions," and things are just more complicated than that.

In his book, In Over Our Heads, Kegan tells a series of short stories, really just vignettes, which illustrate the sorts of misundertandings that occur between different levels.  The one that really sticks with me is the level 3 parents and their level 2 teenager, who wants to go to a party.  They negotiate, and the kid agrees to be home by, say, 11 PM.  Well, of course the kid breaks curfew, or there wouldn't be much of a story, now would there?  And when the kid tries to sneak in at 2 in the morning, well, the parents are mighty disappointed, to say the least.  He's irresponsible, unreliable, can't be trusted, yadda, yadda, yadda.

But Kegan's point is that the parents misunderstand the problem here.  They see their kid as a failed level 3 individual.  His problem isn't that he broke his word, it's that he lacked the cognitive capacity to meaningfully give it in the first place, because he can't take a contrary point of view into account.  He can agree with his parents when they ask him to be home by 11, because at that point in time their viewpoints and his coincide, and he's capable of taking into account a viewpoint that doesn't conflict.  It's only later on that they diverge.

The kid, meanwhile, cannot figure out why his parents are so uptight. Judgemental. Mean. Whatever. All "enduring dispositions" that may or may not be true of them, but all of which miss the point, because he simply cannot see things as they see them.  Now, I'm not saying that you're just like that kid, but the act of mistaken attribution is the same.  Yeah, they may be mean, but if the kid came home on time, it wouldn't have mattered.  Meanness wouldn't have entered the picture.  And the kindest parent in the world  still might ground you for your own good.  So "meanness" really is irrelevent.

The same is true of congresscritters having "guts" if the reality is that they don't see things in terms of courage, or any other Level 2 attribute, but rather in terms of destroying the very institutions they would like to save--that is, in terms of a Level 3 connundrum, not a Level 2 attribute.  So--there is at least the possibility for any given Congresscritter that what's holding them back is a matter of their own perception and cognitive level. If they could see a way past their connundrum, they might well not need an ounce more of courage than they already have.

Now, I may not know if this is true of a given congresscritter or not, but I do know that this kind of reasoning carries a lot of weight in DC, and so I think it needs to be analyzed, and taken apart and thoroughly discredited by finding ways around it.  And only after doing this do I think we'll be in a position (possibly) to tell if the issue really is just guts.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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you're right, that comment was superficial (0.00 / 0)
But whatever their motivation, I believe they respond to power, and power is what we lack.  My primary concern is how to increase/organize OUR power by developing mass support, which includes moving the spectrum.  Once we've done that, our array of viable tactics increases.

See, I can keep it short when dinner is on the table.

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Responding effectively (0.00 / 0)
You have interesting ideas, but I think some further clarity is needed before jumping to conclusions.

First, it seems there could be one or more specific problems going on, so which is it?

(rules here refers to process, the rules which govern the political process)

1  Bad Policy:  Good rules are being established; those rules are being properly followed; but bad (inefficient, etc) policies are being enacted

2 Rule-breaking:  Good rules are being established; but those rules are not being properly followed

3 Corrupted Rule-Making:  Bad rules are being established which make likely or inevitable bad outcomes

The appropriate response to these various kinds of problems would be different

1  Responding to Bad Policy:  Insist on and enact good policy

2  Responding to Rule-Breaking:  Conduct oversight, investigations, etc, etc

3  Responding to Corrupted Rule-Making:  Undo bad rules, instate or reinstate good ones

Of course, you might have a combination of several or these issues

Next, once you've fixed the problem(s), how do you prevent recurrence?
Again, you first need to decide what the underlying cause is, the underlying problem.

It seems in your argument you're basically saying the underlying cause is that Repubs refuse to develop beyond Level 3 and additionally attempt to negate the existence of levels beyond Level 3

If so, then the response would be to promote higher level development, make it look fun, easy, obvious and natural; and to proclaim this possibility far and wide, principally by embodying it

One issue in responding is, of course, what if you don't have the political power to institute the various responses that are required?
What if you don't have the votes or hold the office required to change policy, require adherence to rules, or to rewrite rules?
Or don't yet have the momentum to change a very widely held view of the ideal sort of development.

That's the sort of situation that Thoreau faced, and it's specifically because of that lack of power that he opted for the response he did, going to jail.

An in-between scenario occurs when you have enough power to make significant, though gradual, progress responding to these problems, but not enough power to do all you'd like at once, esp to change the underlying causes all at once.
Do you protest at that point?
Or just keep moving relentlessly forward, albeit gradually?

The choice here has multiple side-effects.
Protest, in the extreme, tends to cause polarization.
That can work against building widespreadness and continuity of momentum

But, just proceeding forward, if it's perceived to be too gradual, can weaken and dissipate momentum, lead to splintering, etc

There are a lot of parts to juggle, but it's good to develop some framework for trying to understand it all, as you appear to be doing.

In the end, you win if good things are happening at all levels, consistently, backed by truly widespread buyin, across the population
The question is, as always, how to best get there


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Another possible underlying cause is that people feel overwhelmed, for one thing by the sense of complicated, inconclusive, burdensome processes or levels of discourse.
If so, they might behave in ways whose ultimate orienting goal is to just get certain things done that they want done.

If this were the case, then a response might be to make government more and more efficient and effective, as well as to involve citizens more and more directly in the process, so they feel there's a point to the whole thing and that it is getting done what they want done.


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What rules are we talking about? (0.00 / 0)
Yes, there are the formal rules, which may or may not need to be changed or broken.  I.e., laws.

Then there are the informal rules (never speak ill of another Democrat, only run "credible" campaigns).  These are the more deadly, in that they are so internalized that we are unaware of the extent to which they cripple us.

Those are my concern.

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I am curious Paul as where you see..... (0.00 / 0)
....corruption which I define for the purposes of this question as legislators accepting cash, for an actual or implied quid pro quo, fitting into your theory.

Is it just rule breaking in the service of your 'plan' and thus okay for level 4 cognates and if so what does that imply about how it might be combated?

I do believe you need to fit it in somewhere as it is quite obvious that it is going on on both sides of the aisle and thus is something a comprehensive theory needs to address.

Not criticising, just asking, with a suggested answer, if you've considered this.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Money In Politics (0.00 / 0)
This is a very complicated question, since "legislators accepting cash, for an actual or implied quid pro quo" pretty covers all corporate or other organizational monies in campaigns, depending on how carefully you look.

Personally, I like the goal of eliminating all private financing.  There are those who say it can't be done, but I think all it takes is political will and creativity.  For example, the clean money campaign model is one good example of shifting the framework of what people expect from politics.  It doesn't eliminate all private money, but it redefines its role.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Opinion in the circles I travel in.... (0.00 / 0)
....is universally for public financing of all elections. The latest 'revelation', still unfolding I believe, that the 'Spineless Dems' are really Democrats accepting cash from the Telcos and then standing back while the ReThugs grant said Telcos immunity for spying on Americans may push the issue into the public consciousness.

Public financing should be a litmus test for progressive candidates everywhere. And you'd think freshmen would be in favor of it. It cannot be fun to be asking for money constantly knowing you are going to have to return the 'favor' at some point.

Edwards gets this  even if Os does not.

And yeah I did mean everybody when I wrote that quote.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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As a lawyer (0.00 / 0)
who respects the Constituion, the problem with most of those advocating impeachment is they start with the conclusion and then work backward. 

This is contrary to how legal processes should work.

You begin with an investigation - and if the evidence supports an indictment you proceed.  If Congress pressed forward with investigations into the start of the War, they would have widespread support.  What the public will not in my view tolerate is proceedings started for the express purpose of removing the President. 

And they should not tolerate such a proceeding.

If the goal is to restore the respect of the rule of law, you have to respect the processes underlying the rule of law.

At its core that means focusing on evidence.


You're Adding To The Confusion, Not Reducing It (0.00 / 0)
People are calling for impeachment because the evidence out there is now overwhelming.

Of course it has to be assembled, and of course we've got to go beyond what's already known.  And, of course, the accused has to have a chance to defend himself.  But this is not like Watergate.  The smoking gun is already out in the open.  In fact, a whole armory worth of smoking guns have been on public view for quite some time now.

In such a situation there is nothing whatsoever amis with "proceedings started for the express purpose of removing the President," even though that is not what I am advocating.  Your atttiude is a reflection of the indernalized Level 3 mindset that I am criticizing and trying to break through in this diary.  And that's precisely why I said right out front that removing Bush should not be our goal.

Yet, you still managed to ignore what I was saying and respond instead to the shadow threat created by the rightwing noise machine--the threat of irrational grassroots Dem activists just as deranged as their GOP counterparts.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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