Questioning vs. Reinforcing Conventional Wisdom (The Political Duality of Rep v. Dem Pt 6a)

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 09:00


Last weekend, I did a couple of diaries about how Democrats could challenge the customary rules of the game without becoming "just like them."  This was part of the longer series constrasting the policy ineptitude and political prowess of conservatives with the policy prowess and political ineptitude of liberals.  I did this under the rubris of "'Breaking The Rules' To Fix The System." The first one used the example of Thoreau's civil disobedience (going to jail rather than helping to finance the Mexican-American War) as a touchstone, and considered how it might have been applied in response to the lawlessness of Bush v. Gore.  The second one, looked at how impeachment could have been used to delegitimize Bush-and conservatism more generally-if removing Bush from office had been set aside from the beginning.

This weekend, I'm taking a doubly-related tack-talking about conventional wisdom.  First, this is directly related to what I was suggesting should have been the primary purpose of impeachment proceeding, to delegitimate Bush and conservative rule.  Second, I want to discuss how conventional wisdom functions as part of the Level 3 infrastructure that liberals and Democrats allow themselves to be trapped and defined by.  The irony here is particularly deep, since the term "conventional wisdom"  was originally coined by John Kenneth Galbraith, one of the great liberal public intellectuals of the last half of the 20th Century.  He first recognized and articulated the concept, but over time it increasingly became a tool of conservative power.  So we'll start with a brief look at some of Galbraith's ideas, and how they've been messed with, then we'll take a look at what it means today.

Paul Rosenberg :: Questioning vs. Reinforcing Conventional Wisdom (The Political Duality of Rep v. Dem Pt 6a)
"Conventional Wisdom" and "Countervailing Power"

Galbraith was an iconoclast, a prominent Keynsian economist, author and social critic who served as a high-level administration official in the FDR, Truman, Kennedy and Johnson administrations.  He wrote two of the most important books of the 1950s, American Capitalism: The Concept of Countervailing Power (1952) and The Affluent Society (1958).  Although they had much else to say, I want to focus on just a few key points.  First, as wikipedia notes:

In American Capitalism: The concept of countervailing power published in 1952, Galbraith outlined how the American economy in the future would be managed by a triumvirate of big business, big labor, and an activist government. Galbraith termed the reaction of lobby groups and unions "countervailing power." He contrasted this arrangement with the previous pre-depression era where big business had relatively free rein over the economy.

Second, in The Affluent Society he critiqued the assumptions of economic theory as being based in 19th Century societies still dominated by pervasive poverty.  In contrast to the reality of post-WWII America, such assumptions constitute "conventional wisdom" that blinds practitioners to what is right in front of them-an impoverishment of the public sphere, even as the private sphere is increasingly affluent, persistent poverty which need not be, and the potential emergence of a ''new class'' of citizens able to pursue work they find inherently enjoyable.  The things Galbraith wrote about in the still-staid late-1950s emerged explosively in the 1960s, as persistent poverty moved center stage in the political areana, an entire generation of college students from working-class backgrounds looked not just for middle-class careers, but for meangingful middle-class careers, starting with a meaningful college education, and environmental degredation sparked the modern environmental movement.

Yet, if these events proved Galbraith prophetic in criticizng the conventional wisdom of traditional economics, they also helped fuel a rightwing backlash that severely undermined the structure of counterveiling power he had written about in the early 1950s.  The result, from the 1970s onward, was an accelerated return to the big-business dominance of the pre-Depression era, but with increased sophistication in the deliberate shaping of conventional wisdom-not just in the field of political theory, but across the full range of social, political economic and cultural issues.  "Conventional wisdom" in this much broader, more deliberate sense merges with Antonio Gramsci's concept of cultural hegemony

Gramsci's concept of Cultural Hegemony

Wikipedia provides a good capsule introduction to Gramsci's concept of cultural hegemony:

The analysis of hegemony (or "rule") was formulated by Antonio Gramsci to explain why predicted communist revolutions had not occurred where they were most expected, in industrialized Europe. Marx and his followers had advanced the theory that the rise of industrial capitalism would create a huge working class and cyclical economic recessions. These recessions and other contradictions of capitalism would lead the overwhelming masses of people, the workers, to develop organizations for self-defense, including labor unions and political parties. Further recessions and contradictions would then spark the working class to overthrow capitalism in a revolution, restructure the economic, political, and social institutions on rational socialist models, and begin the transition towards an eventual communist society. In Marxian terms, the dialectically changing economic base of society would determine the cultural and political superstructure. Although Marx and Engels had famously predicted this eschatological scenario in 1848, many decades later the workers of the industrialized core still had not carried out the mission.

Gramsci argued that the failure of the workers to make an anti-capitalist revolution was due to the successful capture of the workers' ideology, self-understanding, and organizations by the hegemonic (ruling) culture. In other words, the perspective of the ruling class had been absorbed by the masses of workers. In "advanced" industrial societies hegemonic cultural innovations such as compulsory schooling, mass media, and popular culture had indoctrinated workers to a false consciousness. Instead of working towards a revolution that would truly serve their collective needs, workers in "advanced" societies were listening to the rhetoric of nationalist leaders, seeking consumer opportunities and middle-class status, embracing an individualist ethos of success through competition, and/or accepting the guidance of bourgeois religious leaders.

Gramsci therefore argued for a strategic distinction between a "war of position" and a "war of movement". The war of position is a culture war in which anti-capitalist elements seek to gain a dominant voice in mass media, mass organizations, and educational institutions to heighten class consciousness, teach revolutionary analysis and theory, and inspire revolutionary organization. Following the success of the war of position, communist leaders would be empowered to begin the war of movement, the actual insurrection against capitalism, with mass support.

Now, one doesn't have to be Marxist to appreciate Gramsci's analysis. Even if one takes the position that not everything Gramsci points to is really all that "false" a consiousness, there is certainly a significant element of truth when you have poor whites voting to send their jobs overseas in order to keep the blacks off welfare, so that America can be great again.

I want to suggest a more pluralistic recasting of Gramsci's analysis.  First, I think that the concept of hegemony can apply generally to a division between those who are fundamentally authoritarian and hierarchical in their orientaiton vs. those who are fundamentally egalitarian and heterarchical.  Second, I think the concept can be applied specifically to the project of movement conservatism mounted since 1964 Goldwater campaign, with nothing comparable on the other side.  (That's our job!)  Third, I think it can be applied to differing divisions in other societies, which generally have an economic component to them, but that cannot be mechanistically pre-determined on the basis of simple class identity.

Hegemony and Health Care

In particular, one example of how hegemony works is highlighted by the recent Rockridge analysis on health care, which talks in terms of three different models: conservative (Strict Father), liberal/progressive  (Nurturant Parent) and neo-liberal (nurturant values devaluated in favor of an efficient system, overly prone to compromise). I diared about it, quoting at length about all three here.  Here, I just recall the quick-and-dirty essence of the "third way":

What we term "neoliberal" thought shares progressive values and the ethic of care. At the same time, it has an Enlightenment-based faith in universal rationality as logical, unemotional, and serving human interests. To argue on the basis of care would be emotional and hence irrational and weak. To argue on the basis of interests is seen as rational and strong. The neoliberal strategy is to serve the ethics of care by serving the economic and other material interests of demographic groups.

The problem with this approach, which, in the field of healthcare (as in many others) often leads primarily to "technocratic changes to existing markets" is what might be called "backwards mission creep":

The neoliberal emphasis on "systems" often causes a loss of focus upon the progressive morality that lies beneath their political and policy solutions. Specific references to progressive values disappear from their messages. So do references to the government functions of protection and empowerment. Neoliberals may begin with the morality of empathy and responsibility for oneself and others, but their faith and focus soon shifts to the abstract, to complicated systems and intricate public/private solutions. Empathy, the moral force that holds together our democracy and the engine of community, is reduced to sentimentality and shunted aside.

Thus, what Lakoff and co-authors Eric Haas, Glenn W. Smith [who posts here occassionally] and Scott Parkinson are pointing to is, in a very real sense, one of the mechanisms by which the hegemony of the market logic swallows up the progressive/egalitarian ethic of care.

Hegemony More Generally-And "Conventional Wisdom" More Narrowly

A more general example of hegemony along these same lines is the faith in markets and privatization, no matter how many times they fail-the Enron-engendered California energy crisis, Haliburton and Blackwater in Iraq, the failed post-Katrina recovery in New Orleans, etc., etc., etc.  Likewise, the notion that terrorism must be fought in a war-as opposed, say, to being cured, like a disease-is a product of deep and broadly-held hegemonic thinking.

If we want to make progress in taking on these monolithic ideological behemoths, it helps to be able to break them down into smaller pieces, and I suggest that conceptually this makes it useful to preserve a distinction between "hegemony" and "conventional wisdom"-at least in how we use the terms.  "Conventional wisdom" is a good term to use for a belief, assumption, perception, factoid or narrative construct that can readily be named and recognized, and therefore is ripe for being challenged, contradicted, undermined or refuted.

The conventional wisdom that America has "the best health care system in the world" clearly falls into this later category-although it didn't not so long ago.  On the other hand, the larger notion of "private=good/public=bad" is more in the realm of hegemony.  That's why it's so important to win fights by challenging conventional wisdom-because once people have the lived experience of how a public health care system can work so much better, then they have an expanded frame of reference that moves what was hegemonic much closer to the realm of merely being "conventional wisdom."

Or, in the terms I have used earlier in this series, it's part of the process of moving what was context or subject into the position of being content or object.  Let's refer to a specific slice of Kegan's hierarchy of developmental levels:

Kegan's Subject/Object Schema of Cognitive Development (Abbrevieated)
StageWe Are:
Subject
(structure of knowing)
We Have:
Object
(content of knowing)
Underlying Structure
3
Traditionalism
Abstractions

MUTUALITY/
INTERPERSONALISM
Relationship


Inner states
Concrete

POINT OF VIEW

Enduring Dispositions
Needs, Peferences
4
Modernism
Abstract Systems

INSTITUTION
Relationship-Regulating Forms

Self-authorship
Abstractions

MUTUALITY/
INTERPERSONALISM
Relationship

Inner states
Subjectivity
Self-consciousness


Conventional wisdom can be thought of as the rationalization of specifc roles and relationsihps, while hegemony is the rationalization of the entire level three subject of realm-the totality of all roles and relationships.  The way that one moves from Level 3 to Level 4 is not by one big jump, but by gradually becoming aware of of specific roles and relationships-at first, only in specific situations, then gradually more generally, and finally as part of a larger structure that eventually encompasses all of Level 3-at which time you have evolved to full Level 4 consciousenss.

Now, with this distinction in mind, let's consider the role of the punditocracy.  They are, in general, reinforcers and gatekeepers of conventional wisdom.  As such, they can either function at Level 3 or Level 4: Level 3 if they are utterly clueless about what they are doing, Level 4 if they are perfectly aware.  At Level 3, they could not possibly do otherwise.  But a Level 4 pundit could just as easily (cognitively, if not emotionally) challenge conventional wisdom as reiterate and reinforce it.

This brings us squarely to the issue of Democratic Party leadership-be it at the local, state or national level.  The role of political leadership is not just to get things done, but to change the nature of the possible, so that new things can get done that were not possible before.  In other words, the job of political leadership is to challenge hegemony by tactically and strategically altering conventional wisdom.  All too often, however, we see political leadership doing exactly the opposite-reinforcing hegemony by reflexively (or worse yet, intentionally) repeating and rearticulating conventional wisdom.  We see them either sucking up to the punditocracy, trying to blend in with them, or even trying to outdo them.

Now, sometimes it may be necessary to repeat conventional wisdom, altering its significance only slowly and gradually over time.  So I don't mean to take a mechanistic position of rejecting accomodation outright in all situations.  A racially enlightened white Southerner in the 1950s had to take things slow in trying to change the minds of others, or else jump wholeheartedly to the other side, and risk becoming a target of violence.  I'm in far too privileged a position where I sit today to comfortably condemn such a person who chose the gradual route.  But needless to say, that situation does not describe the vast majority of political struggles today-it describes only a tiny fraction of them.

I'll conclude this diary with a few examples and comments:

  • Last week, Barack Obama reinforced the conventional wisdom that faith communities and homosexuals are hermetically sealed off from one another, thus demeaning them both.  He could have simply owned the mistake his campaign made.  He could have said, "I screwed up.  I'm human.  I wanted to bring people toghether, and instead, I've needlessly divided them.  But because I can admit my mistake, I can move forward.  It may not be easy, but it is possible.  And that is what distinguishes the kind of politics I beleive in."  That would have really challenged the conventional wisdom, simply by implicitly affirming a key aspect of genuine Christian faith-the role of repentence, forgiveness, and redemption.

  • Yesterday, Russ Feingold, who is usually a shining counter-example, indicated that he might vote to confirm Michael Mukasey Attorney General .  And at Dkos, Kargo X discussed it
      in terms close to those I've been using here:

    How completely through the looking glass is this "administration?" The nomination now pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee for Attorney General serves to crystallize the issue by shattering all meaning behind two comfortable platitudes that used to function to satisfy all onlookers that all was right in Heaven.

    First, there was the assurance from the nominee and his supporters that he'd respect the "rule of law." That used to be a fine phrase to toss out there without having to worry about it meaning too much one way or the other, until we learned that everything we once thought was a "law" was now a "hypothetical."

    And now Senator Russ Feingold is testing the limits of the remaining currency of another shopworn but previously serviceable platitude -- the old throwaway explanation for a bad vote on a nominee:

      He may be the best nominee we can get from this administration in this respect.

    Senator, I'm afraid I'm going to have to challenge you on that. This "administration" has taken us well past the point where stock phrasing will be sufficient.

    You must explain to us what -- given the limitless view of executive power Judge Mukasey has endorsed -- his being "the best nominee we can get" even means, and why anyone, including you, should care about that.

    Feingold's alternative here must be painfully obvious: He could have said, "Ordinarily I might argue that he may be the best nominee we can get from this administration in this respect.  But clearly that is simply not good enough.  The Attorney General must be someone who is unambiguously committed to the rule of law."

    The result of Feingold-a known beacon of principle-wimping out like this was entirely predictable. Top weasles Feinstein and Schumer swiftly announced that they would vote to destroy the rule of law by approving Mukasey.

  • Nancy Pelosi (via Matt):

    "I know that Congress has low approval ratings," Pelosi, D-Calif., said at her weekly news conference. "I don't approve of Congress, because we haven't done anything that - we haven't been effective in ending the war in Iraq. And if you asked me in a phone call, as ardent a Democrat as I am, I would disapprove of Congress as well."

    Need I say more??? Can I say more?  Is there anything more to say?

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Not sure how this fits in ... (4.00 / 2)
... but has that ever stopped me before?

I think what has to be added to the mix is more on the relationship between ideas and raw power.  I love the movie Serenity, at the end of which our space heroes broadcast a video to the universe proving the foundation of the empire is based on falsehood, and the situation is transformed.  But sorry, Mal, it doesn't work that way anymore.

During Watergate, many of the key moments were exposures.  The truth got out, in dribs and drabs, and when we had our smoking gun, Nixon was toast.  I've heard arguments about Nixon's downfall being the result of ruling class divisions, etc., all very interesting, but in that day, exposure had force, because it shattered the web of lies that corporate power depended upon.

On a parallel track, sentiment against the war was directly linked to the prowess of the Viet Cong and the NVA on the battlefield.  Tet was not an argument.  It was an event.  Liberals were always uncomfortable with that, but there it is.

The movement of the 60s was largely event-driven.  Like watching Detroit burn in 1967 was shattering.  Like seeing the cops run wild at the Chicago 1968 made me decide I could take no more, I had to join SDS.  At the same time, the movement CREATED ITS OWN EVENTS.

Fast forward to today.  It's all exposed!  So much of the blogosphere is dedicated to demonstrating that Bush is indeed a liar and a scoundrel, as though that's news.  A plurality probably says so whatcha gonna do about it, and the right says yeah, but he was our liar and scoundrel until he tanked in the polls and we need a new liar and scoundrel.  What we expose, they admire.

And the war?  Sorry, but there's still a direct correlation between American deaths in Iraq and sentiment for pulling out.  Now that it's statistically calmed down, even our "own" candidates can get away with residual forces bullshit.

Let me posit two ways to move off this, and forgive me if I am being unfair as they are not mutually exclusive.

(1)  We can continue to make our case, in the ways outlined above, and as world events shake the system (suppose Turkey actually invades Kurdistan, suppose a really big bomb wrecks the Green Zone), people will be in a better position to hear our intelligent arguments.  Or ...

(2)  We can CREATE OUR OWN EVENTS.  The Lamont primary victory was only a taste.  But to do so, we must develop a stronger synthesis of thought and action, rather than accepting the conventional wisdom of thought preceding action.

I suspect that breaking the rules is an important element of creating our own events.  Just as we have our own unspoken but crippling rules that we are hesitant to break, we on the progressive side have our own conventional wisdom that shackles us just as surely.

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Very Good Analysis (0.00 / 0)
And the reference to Serenity was quite apt, IMHO.

I would add some things, however.  One is that the right has invested enormous resources in undermining the balance of forces I refer to briefly--Galbriath's "countervailing forces."  The corporate stranglehold on our political system is much more like the pre-Depression Era, when there was significant discontent, but little effectual movement-building.  Mini-movements, yes.  Mege-movements, not so much.

Thus, this whole series is, in part, an argument for the importance of rebuilding countervailing power, particularly in it's forms of messaging and motivating action.  Without rebuilding those structures, it is difficult to make events happen and subsequently build on them.

I have argued in the past that we should develop an infrastructure for political organizing in battleground states--and do so via the medium of regular polling on issues and questions that are being marginalized or misrepresented in the Versailles media.  This is a process of using mini-events to build an infrastructure over time, which will then develop the capacity to stage larger events, and be in a much better position to take advantage of events that occur beyond its control.

Another factor--inextricably linked to this--is simply that America is a lot less moral than it used to be.  (Thank you "Moral Majority"!) Exposure doesn't have the impact it used to because we've had decades of criminal rule.  We have a huge task ahead of us in terms of rebuilding the civic norms that used to guide American public life for the large majority of participants, and significantly constrained what elites could get away with.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You've got me thinking ... (0.00 / 0)
... and I had wanted to take the day off.

One day back in 1974 in East Lansing, Michigan, I took notebook in hand and walked into every bicycle shop, bookstore, bar, and boutique along the strip across from Michigan State University, asking at least one employee in each how many people worked there, did the place suck, and would they favor a union.  That survey led to a 2-year organizing campaign that ultimately went down in flames but for a while had the place hopping.

But first, my two associates and I had to talk a local community group into giving us a desk in their dingy basement, without which it wouldn't have had the legitimacy to get off the ground.

The point of this exercise in nostalgia is that there was a minimum organizational requirement before even this modest effort could happen.

I have argued in the past that we should develop an infrastructure for political organizing in battleground states--and do so via the medium of regular polling on issues and questions that are being marginalized or misrepresented in the Versailles media.

I like the idea.  Minimal resources required, applied to a raw nerve.  I don't want to rush things, but at some point, you have to ask, what districts?  what questions?  who's going to write them?  who's going to ask them?  who's going to publish them?  At what point do you move from elaborating the concept to implementation.

Do you make the move?  Do we wait for Bowers and Stoller to make it?  Is a broader structure required before it happens?  Can it, on the other hand, precede a broader structure? 

p.s. The best thing about your series is that it moves beyond reaction.

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I'll Return To The Polling/Infrtastructure Idea Soon (0.00 / 0)
Within a week or two.  My initial idea--subject to change, of course--is to use the battleground districts taht Democracy Corps uses, so we can piggy-back on their polling, and possibly even influence it in turn.  I'd like to see the questions written similarly to the way the MyDD poll was done.

For it to go forward, I'm going to need more institutional support.  It would nice to have a consortium of several blogs behind it.  I guess the first test is if it can gather enough support so that folks will support it.

Moving beyond reaction is the whole point.  I'm glad it comes across.  You can never be sure until you get feedback.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Paul, I look forward to (0.00 / 0)
the next iteration of your earlier proposal to launch polling/infrastructure projects, and thought your earlier post on this was a very good start. 

I also agree that institutional support is needed, including from progressive blogs, and that moving beyond reaction is key. 

And I think your polling/infrastructure ideas, as well as this ongoing discussion of cognitive levels and messaging strategy, can provide foundational and synergistic support for some of the "new media" possibilities I've tried to point to in these discussions.


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I like it (0.00 / 0)
I just wonder if events (climate change and the economy tanking being the big ones) aren't going to move faster than we can change conventional wisdom.  I think there is stuff coming that will completely turn it on its head.  I could be wrong, we might "luck out" and not have the whole shebang blow up on us, but there sure seems to be a possibility.

They always do (0.00 / 0)
Like with the mule, first you've got to get their attention.  Secondly, like the Russian matryoshka (nesting) dolls, progressive movement requires multiple levels of organization.  If we go to immediately moving the masses, we are pissing into the wind.  We have to organize ourselves into a coherent force and spread out from there.

OpenLeft is the best think tank for developing the necessary counter wisdom.  And rooting out our own conventional progressive wisdoms.

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Certainly So (0.00 / 0)
Even worse than those things we can see coming, but not exactly when, we can always be plain old blindsided.  Who expected the Black Death?

But we've got to do this work anyway.  Simply getting people moving in the direction of changing conventional wisdom will put us in a better position to deal with the chaos, should it overtake us.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I agree we have to do the work (0.00 / 0)
if only to make sure people understand what is happening to them and why.  Otherwise someone else will explain it to them, and we have seen what can happen when the "explanation" is someone's propaganda instead of reality. 

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"things fall apart" (0.00 / 0)
... and a police state is certainly one possible response.

But I think staking out our position as "reality" is a mistake.  Reality poses as objective.  Bush's response to 9/11 is packaged as reality.  Values aren't reality.  Values are subjective.  I support protecting the weak and aiding the poor because those are my values.  Beginning and end of the argument.

Reality is especially pernicious as a foundation since no small part of the conventional wisdom is to equate reality with the capacity to exert brute force.  We must be proud of our own subjectivity on our own terms.

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Reality-Orientation Is A Value (0.00 / 0)
Caring for people requires a reality-orientation, so I don't buy into the classic fact/value dichotomy. 

The fact that the right tries to colonize "reality" as their own only indicates how important it is.

Their abject failure to have any clue what reality means creates an enormous opening for us.  I'm a proud member of the reality-based community.

You may want to check out my new diary, about to post in a few minutes.  I don't talk directly about reality and brute force, but I come damn close.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I could get into a high-level quibble here ... (0.00 / 0)
... and I'm also a proud member of the reality-based community, as it's an actual community of actual people.  But let's not liquidate subjectivity.  In a total misunderstanding of Marx, the Marxists in the main (not Gramsci, not Luxemburg) fell into that trap, with horrible consequences.

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Who's Talking About Liquidating Subjectivity??? (0.00 / 0)
Certainly not me!  Marx's inherent positivism was a source of much woe as it became explicit in many followers.

But I'm a pragmatist, not  positivist, and one of the key differences between the two is that positivism privileges what it takes to be scientific knowledge as the only true knowledge, while pragmatism takes science to be a form of disciplined common sense, which has lessons that can inform other areas of human endeavor, but not dictate to them.  In particular, positivism preserves the realm of critical analysis as vitally important, and beyond any possibility of being reduced to anything else.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Yeah! (0.00 / 0)
Just expanding on, not contradicting.

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you raise good points (4.00 / 1)
about the possibility of "uncontrolled" events intruding on conventional wisdom in ways that could be very uncomfortable for purveyors of CW as well as the rest of us. 

But my guess is that such events won't dramatically reduce the need for CW-changing strategies, though they could dramatically change the context in which these strategies will need to be applied.  In fact, they could make these strategies easier to implement in some ways, by blowing big painful holes in CW.  Unfortunately, they may at the same time make life in general a lot harder for many of us.  As your comments suggests, it wouldn't be very gratifying to be declared "right" when it's too late to make much of a difference on issues like global warming and economic collapse.


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Absolutely! (0.00 / 0)
This is key:

But my guess is that such events won't dramatically reduce the need for CW-changing strategies, though they could dramatically change the context in which these strategies will need to be applied.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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polling: a tangible and feasible step in the right direction? (0.00 / 0)
I haven't posted before but have been reading your posts for a while now and find them always remarkably incisive and on target in their evaluation of the problems we face and, occasionally, possible solutions you offer. I was very struck by the idea you were throwing out there in the comments to this post just now about the idea of setting up a progressive-oriented polling operation to gauge opinion on a much wider range than currently funded and felt compelled to finally sign up so I could contribute to the discussion. Here's the part you wrote:

  "I have argued in the past that we should develop an infrastructure for political organizing in battleground states--and do so via the medium of regular polling on issues and questions that are being marginalized or misrepresented in the Versailles media.  This is a process of using mini-events to build an infrastructure over time, which will then develop the capacity to stage larger events, and be in a much better position to take advantage of events that occur beyond its control."

The polling outfit idea reminded me of how planned parenthood used polls in South Dakota to work out a course of action vis a vis the anti-choice referendum recently. It was very successful in determining that the S Dakotans were less willing to support the referendum than the Republican strategists imagined.

I'm very curious about following up on this idea. Often reading your posts it appears that the answers proposed to the general problem of trying to raise the level of thinking and debate, occur more in the category of talk, framing, narrative, etc., ie ultimately to build a movement through an expanded, networked blogosphere and offer pushback against un-progressive pols (esp misguided Democrats) through primary challenges, blog-fueled bad press, consciousness raising, etc. I'm fascinated by this poll idea as an important third spoke in the wheel on several fronts.

a) Vis a vis this post about conventional wisdom, knowing actual figures about popular opinion in the democracy can be extremely useful in pushing back against illogical CW talking points. I think of the Salon posting right now up at the War Room where they point out the Cheney "bubble" in which he claims to be doggedly serving the will of the people... while his approval rating is known--proven-- to be historically, staggeringly low. On the other hand this is still a key CW talking point even in the face of overwhelming data: talking heads insisting that American people want X even when polls show consistently they want NOT X. Glenn Greenwald frequently blogs about this disconnect, which is why I'm optimistic but not totally certain that polling alone can win the race.

Still, in cases like the congressional approval rating, it amazes me that no one is breaking down the low approval of congress in terms of people upset they are not "doing more" in a "centrist", "compromising" way or in a conservative direction versus "doing more" in terms of progressive activities. I think we here feel fairly confident that the low ratings are fueled more by frustrated progressive than the first two, but you'd barely know that from the coverage of congressional approval. If anything, the numbers are used to support a conservative thesis that says "action on FISA" or whatever pernicious policy example is better than no action because the low approval is for a "do nothing" congress.

In any case, I think more progressive polling can be an important shaping tool to meet this kind of obvious misjudgment with more facts. And then, secondly, from an implementation standpoint,

b) my favorite element of the polling idea, not that I am an accountant or anything like that, is that because objective polling is essentially non-partisan (there has to be a certain degree of faith that the polls will support one's political beliefs but of course it is possible that they would not) it may be possible to put a polling institution together as a non-profit. I'm not saying I'm 100% certain it would work with the IRS but it seems possible to explore in a way that lobbying organizations and political institutions like Open Left never could. This could open up a whole range of progressive foundation funding sources that could participate in ways that are now out of bounds because of the tax code.

Given the challenge of putting together the progressive coalition you write about while the right wing forces are so well-funded by corporations with a much weaker counterbalance, this is almost as important a recommendation of the idea: that it is doable now and could bring more hidden resources into play to bolster the messages we want to circulate.

While the blogosphere building, creative-wonk networking, and progressive politician education are crucially important as long term goals, it's important to lay out how to get from point A to point B. I really like this idea for providing not a destination, but a road map. I'd love to hear more of these heartening ideas in future posts to accompany your cogent analysis, because of their power to inspire readers like me who want to do something besides merely adding another voice of 'here, here' to the chorus.


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My thinking about polling is that we should conceive of using it in a variety of ways, but that one of those is to identify progressive discontent and amplify it.  When there's a real disconnect--as on the war, for example--we should poll repeatedly and in detail, and use that polling as part of a broader project of push-back against the conventional wisdom.

You are quite correct to point to the Planned Parenthood South Dakota abortion example.  And you're right to point specifically to the need to dissect public dissatisfaction with Congress.  The later is a real no-brainer.  Which begs the question why people with no brains have not asked about it yet.

As for the Cheney "bubble," the problem there is that we're asking the very people who created the Emperor's New Clothes in the fisrt place to publicly proclaim that they don't exist.  Not bloody likely.

Finally, I hadn't really thought about the nature of the polling organization.  I had actually just thought about using Sun Tzu, who did such a great job with the MyDD poll.  Of course there's no legal reason why a polling organization can't be non-profit.  The Pew Center is.  There are lots of university polls across the country, and universities are non-profits.  The Public Policy Institute of California is a well-known example in California of a non-profit that does its own polling.

I hope you'll join in when I do post about polling.  Obviously we're a whole lot smarter as a group than even the smartest of us is as an individual.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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