NM-Sen: Chavez Clarifies

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Nov 09, 2007 at 11:54


Yesterday, when I claimed that Marty Chavez was implying that Tom Udall was unelectable because he was a liberal by saying "the contrast in records between me and the Congressman won't situate him well for the general election," more than one commenter thought I wasn't giving Chavez a fair shake. Perhaps the quote was taken out of context, or I was simply reading too much into it. Well, today Marty Chavez has offered some clarification:

"I feel very strongly that this is going to be a Democratic pickup and I'm going to be that Democrat, because I'm a moderate Democrat," Chávez said. "I think the Republicans are more afraid of me than some others." (…)

"Philosophically, he's so far to the left," Chávez said. "I'd rather not have him in the race, but that's a challenge I'd not shy away from."

So yes, Marty Chavez is quite clearly stating that he is more electable than Tom Udall because Udall is a leftie, and he, Chavez, is a moderate. But here is my favorite part about Chavez:

"I think I get a bad rap from progressives," he said.(…)

"I have legitimate progressive credentials, but I am pro-business," Chávez said, adding he believes the two can go together.(…)

"I'm a moderate Democrat," Chávez said"

Note to Chavez: you don't get to be both a moderate and a progressive. Doesn't work that way. You can't be both a moderate and a conservative, or a moderate and a liberal, or a moderate and a fascist. If you want to be a moderate, call yourself one. If you want to be a progressive, then call yourself that. Trying to occupy two ideological positions at once is about as an overt sign of pandering as a politician could possibly concoct. Please explain how someone can be both a progressive and a moderate without simultanesouly explaining how those terms have no meaning.

And oh yeah: you might begetting a bad rap from New Mexico progressives for claiming that progressives can't win statewide in New Mexico. You might also be getting a bad rap from reality by claiming that you are more electable than someone who outperforms you in general election polls by 20 points. Just a thought, on both counts.

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Colbert anyone? (0.00 / 0)
"I think I get a bad rap from progressives," he said.(…)

"I have legitimate progressive credentials, but I am pro-business," Chávez said, adding he believes the two can go together.(…)

"I'm a moderate Democrat," Chávez said"

Off the top of my head the only other person who so clearly has tried to occupy 2 positions was Colbert saying he was going to run as a Dem and Republican, and that he could lose twice.

We get Dems running like Chavez and yes we will lose.

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In case you didn't know ... (0.00 / 0)
Chavez is DLC ... so that answers most of your questions

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I Think What He Meant to Say Is (4.00 / 1)
that he is a moderately progressive moderate.

Disagree somewhat (0.00 / 0)
I think you can be a progressive and a moderate -- I see the former as a political philosophy/policy label, and the latter as a description more of temperament/disposition/willingness to work with the other side.

E.g., I think Paul Wellstone was an unapologetic, radical progressive (I also think radicalism is not necessarily a bad work; reactionary is). Meanwhile, someone like Dick Durbin is probably better described as a moderate progressive (to compare apples-to-apples in the Senate).

However, I agree you can't be a progressive and a centrist. Centrism is its own nebulous grouping of policies/philosophies that inherently contain enough conservative positions that they preclude that person from being a conservative.

Somewhat semantic argument, I realize.


In this context - (0.00 / 0)
- it's clear that Chavez is not using moderate in your sense. He's specifically identifying himself as a "moderate" in comparison to Udall, who is "philosophically ... so far to the left" that he can't win a general election, supposedly.

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True (0.00 / 0)
I agree with every criticism of Chavez' inane comments, and don't think we need another clown like him in the Democratic Senate -- plenty of those already (Hi!, Sens Landrieu, Pryor, Nelsonx2, Baucus, and Salazar). Chris was right on the money about all that.

I was just arguing the semantic point that a progressive or a liberal can never be a moderate.


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Done hanged himself with his words (0.00 / 0)


I you want health care, work hard. If you want universal health care, vote for liberals.

Sooo (0.00 / 0)
He is claiming to be more electable because he is not as liberal.  I don't like it, but it's not like he is saying Udall is wrong on anything.  Can you give me an example of some issues that Chavez is wrong on and Udall is right?  I'm not trying to be a dick, I just would really like to see why everyone is so negative on this guy.

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