Yet Another Growing Progressive Demographic

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 01:28


This is really interesting: Hunter College has released a national poll on the 2008 primary season that samples only the Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual population of the United States. There are a number of remarkable bits about this poll:
  • In the Democratic primary, Clinton holds a commanding 63%--22% lead over Barack Obama, with everyone else in single digits. Kucinich actually comes in 4th at 5%.

  • On the Republican side, the sample size was incredibly small, only 78 people, rendering the results useless. This is because only 13% of those who said they would vote in a primary indicated they were self-identified Republicans. I figured the number would be low, but that is really, really low.

  • The partisan self-identification was 84% Democratic or lean Democratic, while the ideological self-identification was 61% liberal to only 8% conservative. Those are pretty overwhelming numbers.

  • Here is the kicker: the demographic will clearly grow in the future. 91% of the population surveyed was under 50 years of age, and fully 30% was under 30 years of age. In a decade or two, as coming out becomes more acceptable among all age cohorts, this should result in the LGB demographic growing from 3-4% of the electorate to 5-6% of the electorate, possibly even 7%.  Increasing the size of a demographic that is that heavily Democratic and that heavily liberal will result in a 1% gain for Democrats and progressives for every 2% it increases as a percentage of the overall electorate. So, along with the growth of the non-white and non-Christian population, here is another growing demographic Republicans and conservatives have done everything they can to alienate for another generation or two.

Cool stuff. I love the advancements we have seen in polling techniques and creativity over the past five or ten years. Microtargeting, psychographics, online polling--cool stuff. And it is very hard not to see a bright future for Democrats and progressives when one looks closely at the data.

Chris Bowers :: Yet Another Growing Progressive Demographic

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As an openly gay man ... (0.00 / 0)
I am appalled that so many would support Hillary Clinton.  Don't they know that her husband signed the Defense of Marriage Act, and then later bragged on Christian radio while he was up for re-election that he signed it?

Oh yeah, that was Bill.  Well consider what Hillary said in August about DOMA ...

It "served a very useful purpose" in defeating the Federal Marriage Amendment, she said - a dubious cop-out since DOMA passed in 1996 and FMA wasn't considered until 2004.  DOMA is why anti-gay bigots were able to pass Prop 22 in California, and other hateful propositions around the country.

Hillary says that "marriage should be left to the states," and that "states are taking action on their own."  The former statement is indistinguishable from Southern politicians who said slavery (and later segregation) should be left to the states.  The latter statement is equally bad when you consider that besides Massachusetts, the "action" that states have taken is to pass hateful constitutional amendments.

All the Democratic Presidential candidates say they will repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell -- so there's no reason for a gay person to support Hillary over the others on that issue.  And besides, gays in the military is not a major issue for myself and many other LGBT folks since I wouldn't want to go fight in Iraq anyway.

But gay marriage does matter -- and affects the rights of all queer people who want to have their relationships recognized.  I know that Obama and Edwards are not perfect on marriage equality either -- but unlike Hillary, they don't carry that baggage on being complicit in denying our right to have the one we love recognized.

And for that reason (as well as others not related to LGBT issues), I vehemently oppose a Hillary Clinton Democratic nomination.  Other gay people should join me as well.


As a gay man.. (0.00 / 0)
...I also don't understand the fascination with Hillary our culture seems to have I think it's because she's a woman honestly. I'm not trying to sound mean, but most gay men(not all, as some have impassioned arguments on why they support her)  who support Hillary really don't seem to follow politics.  It's like a fad. I mean...of all the candidates, Hillary hasn't done anymore then the rest of them to support gay rights (at least Elizabeth Edwards went and spoke at a gay pride parade--a FIRST).

McClurken? (0.00 / 0)
McClurken reaction possibly?  Could that be the reason for the lack of support for Obama?

That's not the whole story ... (0.00 / 0)
I thought about that when I first read this article, but it seems that the Hillary devotion goes deeper.  Back in April, when I attended the California Democratic Convention, I was absolutely disgusted how the LGBT Caucus turned into a Hillary campaign rally.

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Gays love pantsuits (0.00 / 0)
As a gay man -- apparently we have to burnish our sexual orientation cred before posting -- I have to say that I am not surprised. Most queer folk I know are Clinton supporters and, while still undecided, I am slowly making my way toward the Clinton camp as well.

I am a part-time New Yorker, and I am thoroughly impressed by Hillary's skills as a legislator and her attention to constituents. (Also, her stellar voting record has been unfairly ignored this cycle.) Still, though, I dislike and distrust dynasties, and I am concerned that a Clinton II adminitration could be immediately followed by a Bush III.

Still, though, no top tier candidate has distinguished his- or herself on the issues of marriage or military service, or the three issues that matter most to me: climate change, health care and war. With a blurry, often indistinguishable top tier, I am increasingly turning to general election polls and the Logo forum in my search of a candidate to support. Increasingly, that candidate looks like Hillary Clinton.


What am I missing? (0.00 / 0)
Why would coming out of the closet change someone's political leanings?

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

Clearly it does (0.00 / 0)
Something that changes your life that dramatically is bound to have an impact on your politics.

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Not really (0.00 / 0)
So, basically, you don't have any data to support your assertion, but instead assume that such an event is bound to make you more liberal overnight?  Such a conclusion is completely invalid.

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Puh-leese ... (0.00 / 0)
First of all, berating Chris Bowers for "lacking data" is incredibly ironic, given that he is the King of number-crunchers in the blogosphere.  You simply can't find another blogger who analyzes statistical data the way that Chris does.

Secondly, coming out of the closet does change who you are, which for many people means that their politics change.  I'm very proud that while I was in the closet for 21 years of my life, my politics were always progressive and never anti-gay like so many Republican bigots who later get caught with a male prostitute.  So coming out of the closet, at least for me, did not radically change my politics -- I've always been a lefty.

But it did change my outlook on life.  I became more confident and self-assured, and yes: there is absolutely no question that I follow gay politics and am involved in LGBT political activism much much much more now that I am openly gay.  Before coming out, it was not a priority for me -- now it is.

And I'm sure you can talk to any gay person, ask them if a politician's stand on gay issues matters to them more now that they are out, and I assure you that they will say it has.


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True (0.00 / 0)
First of all, he did not present any data whatsoever to corroborate his assertion that one's entire political outlook is polarized towards a more liberal stance upon coming out of the closet.  While I don't doubt that he may be one of the best number-crunchers in the blogosphere, that does not mean anything in the absence of numbers to confirm his statements.

I don't dispute that for certain individuals, such an act does stimulate increased political activism, or perhaps a re-prioritizing of issues.  However, before any conclusion can be drawn in the aggregate about such people, anecdotal evidence must be replaced with actual facts.  The claim about the growth of the demographic leading to huge gains for Democrats is entirely spurious and disingenuous.  Indeed, he also refers to the demographic as the "LGB" demographic -- that's highly misleading, as the LGB demographic itself should remain fairly constant as a portion of the electorate, while the "acknowledged LGB" demographic (or whatever term you wish to use) will grow.  However, unless one expects a radical change from an overwhelmingly conservative "unacknowledged LGB" demographic to an overwhelmingly liberal "acknowledged LGB" demographic, the numbers cited are thoroughly flawed and impossibly rose-tinted.


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Uh...... (0.00 / 0)
the parties are coalitions, right?  If you happen to be a fiscal conservative, say, mostly concerned about keeping the IRS's hands off your assets, but then you realize you're gay, and that the fiscal conservatives are in a political coalition with a group of religious nuts who want to destroy you, cut off AIDS funding, ban you from teaching in public schools, ban you from adopting, etc... then you find a way to not be a fiscal conservative anymore.  If the folks who you thought were your ideological allies are themselves allied with your sworn enemies, then you choose yourself a new ideology.  You find some new friends, basically.

Plus, check out this finding from the survey:

  In terms of your FEELINGS TOWARD PEOPLE OF OTHER RACES between [beginning of coming out experience and end of coming out experience]:

% of LGBs

I felt closer to people of other races

27.9

no change

63.2

I felt more distant from people of other races

5.1

So, the experience of ostracism, marginalization, loss of social status, etc caused 28% of gay people to feel more empathy for those of other races.  Becoming a minority is a liberalizing experience, and not just for superficial reasons of political coalitions. 


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