Divergence of the Heart and the Mind

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 21:28


I see that at almost exactly the same time I was saying that I will probably vote for Edwards, but not really support him, Kos was saying he will vote for Obama, but not really support him. I guess that isn't really a surprise, since it was seeing the Daily Kos straw poll today that reminded me it was about time to make up my mind. I also think that Kos's reasoning sounds familiar to me:

I voted "Obama" this time, not necessarily because I support him, but because the alternatives are no good. Hillary? Yeah right. Edwards? If he hadn't taken public financing, I'd probably go for him (and who doesn't have a crush on Elizabeth?). But I refuse to vote for a guy who will be broke for about seven months in 2008 while the other side beats the crap out of him. I know his partisans have convinced themselves that this doesn't just not matter, but that it's a good thing! Good for them, I guess.

Process of elimination certainly sounds about right. No one has really thrilled me, and so deciding who to vote for becoming an intellectual argument based on process of elimination. I wanted Clinton to show me more progressive policies, and generally speaking that just didn't happen. I wanted Obama to stop rhetorically distancing himself from the left, and instead he seems to be distancing himself from the left even more so these days. I wanted Edwards to excite me, but I have to admit that never really happened. I wanted other candidates to show me that they could win the nomination or, failing that, at least that supporting them would increase progressive power. I was happy to work with Richardson on no residual forces, which did change the debate in a progressive direction. Otherwise, I haven't felt a strong attraction to the second-tier.

And so, it became an intellectual argument, where through a combination of policy positions and willingness to be identified with the left, I currently side with Edwards. I understand the electability arguments around Edwards and public financing, but they don't really resonate with me anymore. Edwards does do better in polling than Clinton or Obama, which will give him an edge, and there are ways to at least partially cope with the financial problems he would face from early February through late August. Further, February through August will actually be something of a lull in the campaign, where people will be paying less attention and we will see less poll movement. Overall, that could very well mean a wash on the electability front. I also just don't like the idea of not supporting someone because they supposedly can't win the general election. That isn't who I am.

I want to also explain why deciding to vote for Edwards, at least now, doesn't mean I'm excited enough to conduct activism on his behalf. The truth is, leaving all of these intellectual, process-of-elimination arguments aside, in my gut I always wanted to support Barack Obama. One year ago, I explained why:

Chris Bowers :: Divergence of the Heart and the Mind
I think Obama, simply in terms of his demeanor and his biography, strongly appeals to politicos from a new generation and a new socioeconomic class because he strikes them in some sort of gut, intuitive level as being from that class. Multi-ethnic, post-Vietnam, highly educated, raised in a major urban center--these are many of the cosmopolitan, self-creating, forward looking aspects of life for many younger professionals. As much as we may or may not like Bill Clinton, coming from a little town in Arkansas is not a story many Americans can relate to anymore, because we just didn't grow up that way. Even John Edwards's story of growing up in a mill town when the mill closed seems very, very rustic for a northeasterner such as myself, since our mills closed down sixty years ago to move to places like North Carolina. These rustic visions of America simply are not where people are at these days, especially news junkies and activists within the Democratic Party and the bluer parts of America. Those people instead look to places like Harlem, where Bill Clinton now keeps his offices. People moving into the gentrifying areas of Harlem probably like Barack Obama quite a bit, and probably feel some sort of gut-level, identity-based connection with him that they can't even quite put their finger on at this point.

I can't quite put my finger on it either, but the rise of Obama, I believe, is largely based on a new vision of personal identity that will inevitably come to impact our national political discourse. Whether or not his speeches and policy ideas continue to live up to that identity remains to be seen, but it does give him an edge on the rest of older, predominately Baby Boomer field that, generally speaking, will not trumpet their urban or multi-ethnic roots. If he can continue to tap into this new identity and socio-economic wave, his campaign will be difficult to defeat, especially if it is combined with strong African-American support. A coalition of African-Americans and the professional, creative class (both within the netroots and the party establishment), would be a devastating coalition in a Democratic primary that I am not sure anyone could defeat.

I have written far longer posts about Obama than any other Democratic candidate. I did this because he interests me more than the other candidates, and I was always looking for an intellectual argument that worked for me enough to support him in the primaries. It just didn't happen, however. Over the past four years, I have consistently worked to try and build progressive power, and to stop Democratic tendency to distance itself from the left. As such, in a contested primary where other candidates are either equal or superior on policy, I'm not going to work for the candidate who does more to distance himself from the left than all the other candidates in the field. That conflicts with my sense of pride, my political goals and with simple intellectual consistency. In short, it is a predominantly emotional response that cancels out my predominantly emotional, gut-level excitement for Obama..

And so, without a prevailing gut-level preference, I'm left with intellectual process of elimination. It is enough for me to favor Edwards both in theory and in the voting booth, but it isn't enough for me to spend time conducting activism on his behalf. In order for that to happen, I need my gut and my mind to work in concert. I'm not as excited about Edwards, but I'm not as disturbed by him, either. I know that isn't the most rousing endorsement of a candidate I can muster, but I'm not in the rousing endorsement mood this primary season. Hell, if I was in Iowa, I might even start the evening of January 3rd by caucusing with Richardson, because he did such a great service with the residual force argument and because he was willing to bring bloggers into the decision-making process on that issue (it really felt to me like a huge step forward for blogging when that happened). And then, once the second round of the caucus begins, I'd shift to Edwards whether Richardson was viable or not.

I wish my gut and my mind were working in conjunction this time around, as they did for Howard Dean in 2003-4, but it just never happened. It leaves a profoundly unsatisfying feeling, but after a full year of watching this campaign I don't think that will change now. That is the way it goes sometimes, I guess.


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I Support JRE (0.00 / 0)
I think that voting for the most progressive candidate is a win win situation.  Hillary votes by what the polls say, and I fear that she will go the way her husband did in his first term.  Obama is running away from progressives, but I have hope that this is just a temporary blip, but not totally convinced.  I truly believe that JRE will fight to get a universal health care plan passed, and I do believe him when he says that he will do everything he can to combat global warming.  I also believe him when he says that he will end the Iraq occupation.  I also believe him when he says that he will restore integrity and honor to the United States with the rest of the world.  He is my guy.

I've been a soft Edwards supporter (0.00 / 0)
  I've had some brief flirtations with Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson, but in the end I've always come back to John Edwards, and I'm actually pretty excited about him. Like Chris, I wanted to commit to Obama, and there is much to like about him, but he just whipsaws me too much.

  The one candidate I ruled out from the beginning was Hillary Clinton. Simply for one reason -- she's the DLC candidate. And there has been no entity more malignant and destructive to the Democratic Party -- and by extension, to America -- than the DLC. I'm not hyperbolizing -- think of how different the last seven years might have been if the Democrats had actually functioned as an opposition party. The fact that they rarely did is completely attributable to the DLC's influence on the party's mindset. A vote for Hillary Clinton is an endorsement of that mindset. I cannot fathom how a good Democrat could possibly make such an endorsement, not after the last seven years of Bush hell.

  Hillary Clinton's vote on Lieberman/Kyl was the last straw. Votes are statements. With that vote, Hillary said, "Even though Bush got us into a disastrous war in Iraq, I still trust his judgment enough to endorse a do-over with Iran." She handed the car keys to a known alcoholic. That is inexcusable in an individual who purports to be a national leader.

  But ultimately I swung to Edwards because I feel he's the candidate best equipped to integrate multiple issues into a coherent whole. By going after free-trade pacts, John Edwards been able to cast the immigration issue in a broader economic context, which is the best way for the Democrats to address illegal immigration without alienating the nation's fastest-growing voter base. He's staunchly pro-union. He doesn't run away from the base. While he might support residual forces in Iraq, at least he's not in denial about the issue's continued importance. And he's aggressive in calling out the Republicans on their excesses. 

  I see SOME of that in Obama, but not consistently enough. I can see why people respond to Obama, but I guess I'm just not wired that way -- I need concrete rhetoric.

  And for what it's worth, I think Edwards is the most electable candidate, by a significant margin.

  So Edwards is my man as well.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


Bowers is a coward and an idiot. Edwards is god. (0.00 / 0)
And if you don't agree with me, you are not progressive. Moreover, you are a bad person and I will kick you in the knee.

You deserve it.

JRE apologized for the war vote. He apologized for the bankruptcy bill.

THE MAN APOLOGIZED!

That means you have to love him!
LOVE HIM!

Otherwise you are an idiotic coward, and everybody knows it.


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I can only assume your comment is sarcasm. (0.00 / 0)
There is not a rational statement in it.

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top tier (4.00 / 1)
I feel much the same way re: the top tier folks. The default is Edwards, but unlike you, I think each of the three bring some compelling attributes to the table: Edwards' progressive platform, the far greater ability of Hillary to actually enact her platform, and Obama in between on both criteria. For some reason, even though I like Edwards positions, I don't have much faith in his ability to quell the Republican call for blood if he is elected. I am still committed to Kucinich in the primary, however, even though I know he won't win: call it a commitment to principle.

Kucinich (0.00 / 0)
As an IT worker who has been unemployed for five years out of the last seven, I simply cannot support (or ever even vote for) anyone who has helped destroy an entire class of workers and their families by supporting upping the quotas for guestworker visas.  That leaves out just about everybody except Dennis.  (And even he is not as strong as I would like.)  Sorry folks.

Hillary and Obama are in no way Progressives.  They "move to the center" which most certainly does NOT mean the middle class, but means supporting the financial elite at the expense of the rest of us, and for them "the center" is just code language that means they intend to refuse to support policies that are left of center.

I do not support Dennis because he is going to win, but simply because supporting him is the ONLY way to show that those on the left have enough clout to move one of the top three away from triangulation.  Supporting any of them and then begging is a totally losing strategy.


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Sorry Chris (4.00 / 1)
I'm with you pretty much the whole way here. Look down ticket. There are Obama-like folks out there who aren't triangulating against the base. (I'm lucky enough to work for one, and I jump out of bed every morning.)

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I really don't understand this (4.00 / 3)
There can be little doubt that this is a weak field.  Only one of the candidates with a realistic shot at winning voted against the Iraq War.  No candidate seems terribly well positioned to speak to the Anti-Washington wave that I think that will be building over the next year. 

But there is no excuse for shrugging your shoulders and "what does it matter".  The passivity I find among the A-List bloggers in this cycle is nothing short of amazing.

There is always a choice. And with that choice comes a responsibility if you are an activist.

I chose Edwards because I believe the defining issue of our times is globalization.  Edwards seems to me the most likely of the major candidates to fight the neo-classical free trade mantra that dominates our economic discussions about globalization. 

And so I will do what an activist should do: I will get on a plane and fly to Iowa and knock on doors in the snow. 

I have a degree in common with Markos (BU Law), and am a great admirer of his writing.  But I have no idea what led him to act above the fray. It is fact insulting to those of us that who are actively involved in the process. 

It has become common place in blogsphere to make fun of the candidate diaries.  The derision is in part earned.  But at least the writers are trying to make a difference; at least they have made a choice and are trying to convince others that they are right. 

The Parties define themselves in their Presidential Primaries.  In the end, if the blogsphere is not actively engaged in the primary process, then it is really little more than a bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing 


I wish we hated defeat as much as Republicans. (4.00 / 2)
While I appreciate and understand Chris's conflicted thoughts and feelings on who to nominate, this 'oh well' attitude distinguishes us from Republicans.

Republicans may fight over bills and over nominations, but once a choice is made, they back it with all guns blazing. They will crank up their GOTV machine and their noise machine, and run them both full force.

I have a friend who will not back Hillary, and one of her reasons is that she dropped the Rodham in her name.

Come on people- Pick your horse and back her or him with all guns blazing.

It is no wonder the Dems are as ambivalent about liberals as liberals are about Dems. The Dems are left thinking, oh well, unless I am near perfect, the liberals will not be part of my base. Once the choice is made we have to swing at the Republicans with everything we have.

You'll never have a perfect candidate.

And if you, Chris, and everyone else keep waiting for the perfect candidate,
we'll continue to get our ass kicked. I admire and respect the extreme level of specificity and detail at which you examine a candidate, and I agree there is no firey progressive in this boat--but Ye Gods man, pick one and GO!

I wish we hated defeat as much as Republicans.
Where are our blazing guns?

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Little bit unfair (4.00 / 1)
It's OK not to be enthused by the current crop of candidates. None of them is the ultra-liberal messianic map-changing figure that we would like in our heart of hearts to support. So one doesn't have to be massively excited about the primary.

That said, 'not losing anymore' is what the blogosphere stands for, much more than it stands for any ideological position. The fact that none of the candidates are perfect doesn't mean that come the general election A-list bloggers won't happily carry out activism for them. But activism for one candidate in a primary is very much different from activism in a general election.

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FDR (0.00 / 0)
Franklin Roosevelt in 1932 (running v. Hoover) was not the figure he quickly became in office in 1933.  Maybe we'll get extremely lucky and vote in a Franklin Roosevelt but wind up electing an FDR.  Now that would be a real hoot.

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it's all a guessing game, contrary to the absolutists (0.00 / 0)
This possibility you refer to makes all of the electrons spent creating all of these blog posts seem like a waste of time.

That's part of why I think all the tonal absolutism should go out the window in the horse race discussions around here. 


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what an activist should do? (0.00 / 0)
fladem,

I had two reactions to that sentence:

1. Awesome!

2. Seriously?

I still haven't chosen a candidate in the primary.  I'm in Philly, so I doubt I'll have a voting decision to make anyway.  I'm not backing anyone strongly this this time because there isn't a huge difference for me between the candidates in the general.  I'm an activist too, but there's always way too many things that activists need to be spending our time on.  Given a rare case where I don't have a huge stake in the outcome, I think the best thing I can do as an activist is split my time between working on other important issues and sleeping in for once! 

That doesn't mean I won't come out guns-blazing in the general, and it doesn't mean I'll only select a perfect candidate.  It just means that there's less of a stark difference between our options this time (that's a good thing, I'd say), so if no one is going to inspire me to focus me energy on the primary, I'll put my time and energy in other places.

With that said, bravo to your activist credo.  Made me laugh, grin, and cheer a little.

I'd also say that the blogosphere's role in this primary has been fascinating and, I think, exemplary.  The blogosphere is for deliberation AND mobilization.  In the general, we'll get to see just how good the blogosphere is at mobilization (in case memories of 2006 have faded).  But in an era of campaign propoganda that offers no depth of consideration, an era with dozens of debates that hardly deserve the name, the blogosphere is the only place where detailed candidate discussion occurs.  What's more, it's only occurring on those sites where an A-list blogger HASN'T chosen a candidate, because the sites that have quickly turn into Mobilization Central.


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My Head and My Heart (0.00 / 0)
My position is very similary to Chris'.  The main difference is that his problem is one of deciding between two negatives while mine is deciding between two candidates that I like very much.

I am primarily an economic justice liberal.  Like Fladem, I think one of the primary issues of our times is globalization and its effect on working people in this country and around the world.  I remember Chris' post from last week I think it was when he explained his belief that the future of liberalism is in winning the cultural wars and that the economic issues will sort themselves out.  I think the exact opposite is true.  I think we are winning the cultural wars going away, all polls show a continuing evolution toward cultural tolerance, despite the noise on the right.  Yet, fighting the forces of greed that want to concentrate more and more wealth into fewer hands will, literally, be an eternal struggle.

With that in mind, how can I not support Edwards?  He is simply the best serious candidate on economic and poverty issues since Bobby Kennedy.  He has also recently done very well on issues of war and peace.  The lack of enthusiasm for him by progressive bloggers has been baffling to me.  This lack of response on the left to JRE's candidate I think can only serve to impede progressives from running for President in the future.  Certainly, judging by bloggers' actions this cycle, future progressive candidates will no that they can not count on the blogosphere for real support.

By the way, I am not saying Edwards is perfect; he is not.  He certainly has not run the perfect campaign as his themes have been "all over the map" instead of concentrating "like a laser beam"- to use an old Bill Clinton expression- on the "two Americas" theme. Still, intellectually, I appreciate how good Edwards is on the issues so I support him.

Yet, my heart has always been with Obama.  There is just something about him that I like and believe in.  And yes, I understand and share the anger of other progressives at the way Obama's message is often to run away from the left.  I agree that his message and tactics will have to evolve in order to be the transformational leader that he wants to be.  And I think he will.  He is farily progressive on the issues, despite his rhetoric.  Moreover, if he is elected the Rs in Congress will force him to be more partisan because of their hypaer partisanship.  Ultimately, despite my support for Edwards, I will say that if Obama gets nominated, it will be my proudest moment as a Democrat and if he gets elected President it will be my proudest moment as an American.

So, in summary what I am saying is that I like both these candidates.  I support Edwards because he has been so good on the issues.


What is not progressive about Hillary? (0.00 / 0)
Hillary is right on Health Care, right on SS, (We all agree with her including Krugman).

Iraq and Iran--same with everyone (some troops stay) except Richardson.

Hillary never dissed netroots publicly unlike Obama.

Environment, etc same with everyone.

And most of all --competent technical policy wonk --which is good.

And --first woman president--historic.

SO WHY NOT HILLARY?

I think netroots is just afraid to support Hillary--thinking they will decrease their progressive label -- but admit it Hillary is also progressive.



I have a feeling (0.00 / 0)
.....Many netroots have a secret wish Hillary will win.  But just afraid to say it.

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HRC is Not a Progressive (0.00 / 0)
As I wrote above, a huge issue for me is globalization and she is a free trader, so that eliminates her for me.  I probably wont even vote for her in the general.

As for social security, her position is that she will appoint a bi-partisan commission to study the funding issues. Why appoint a commission if you dont think there is a problem?  You dont, so she is tacitly saying the same thing on social security as Obama.  The only difference is that Obama is saying he will use the most progressive means to increase funding.  HRC has not, apparently leaving benefit cuts and privitization on the table.

As for health care, she essentially waited for everyone else to declare their position then copied Edwards plan.

Her main strategist is an anti union hack.  Indeed look closely at her web site, I found one use of the word "union" and it is buried in one of her issues sections.

She has NEVER NEVER lead on any progressive issue while in the Senate; indeed not in her WH years after her horrible effort regarding health care.

More then any other candidate except Richardson she stresses the need to balance the budget.  You can not have UHC and balance the budget unless you have major tax increases, which she has also disavowed. And this is not even mentioning the other economic priorites like infrastructure repair, higher education, technology etc.  Yea she is in favor of all these things, but they will all stand in the back of the line while she tries to balance the budget.

The let's bomb Iran because their all terrorists vote.

I could go on but you get the idea.


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One Lat Important Point (4.00 / 1)
Only HRC is in favor of keeping combat troops and combat operations going in Iraq.  As Chris has pointed out here in many a post, HRC is the worst candidate on Iraq among the Dems.

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hmm (0.00 / 0)
I do think Obama and Clinton are closer on Iraq than you say, but Clinton is the worst candidate on Iraq among the 3 leading Democrats.

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Clinton and Obama have cancelled each other out (4.00 / 1)
The main reason I am moving towards supporting Edwards is that Clinton and Obama have failed to articulate credible compelling platforms.

They both talk a good game but triangulation is built into every statement they make. I'm sick of hearing them trivialize the primary process with the petty issues to which they try to divert our attention at a time of great domestic peril to the livelihoods and well-being of working Americans.

Edwards starts from a compelling commitment to economic justice and cutting back the corporatocracy running this country, which is our major challenge: a growing wealth gap driven by corporate greed that has the potential to impoverish everyone except the wealthiest.

These are Edwards' core values and he is building credible policy positions around them. Clinton is unwilling to take a position on cutting back the influence of large corporations and their lobbyists and Obama is just plain dead wrong on the way he looks at Social Security.

There is nothing wrong with Social Security and Medicare that can not be fixed by stopping Congress from continuing to squander the funds that should have been left in the Social Security Trust Fund and forcing it to pay back the funds it has already squandered - nearly $2 trillion.

Last but not least, when Edwards talks about cutting back the influence of corporations and corporate greed I assume that once in office he would have the guts to enforce laws on the books prohibiting the windfall and excess profits being racked up by the gas and oil industry. He is half way there in terms of the statements he has made about corporate influence, whereas Clinton and Obama have had virtually nothing to say about the extent to which corporate greed is ruining the American economy and the livelihoods of American working families with the high prices we must pay for essential goods and services like oil and gas.

I believe Edwards sees the writing on the wall in this regard whereas Clinton and Obama cannot get past their fixations on themselves and their self-centered campaigns to actually focus on the dire economic and financial straits in which working Americans find themselves.


Still for Obama (0.00 / 0)
There are two ways to think about what it means to promote liberalism or progressivism.  The one we talk about the most on the blogs is promoting the actual term and ideology directly.  Clearly, Obama doesn't do that.

The way to promote progressivism, though, is to promote progressive policies in way that make them seem quite moderate, rational and common sense.  This is what Obama does.

While the first form is best for the movement, the case can be made the second is the best for the president.  If we actually get the policies implemented I don't really care what we call it.  The question is, who can sell the policies?

I still think the answer is Obama.

That and his foreign policy is much better than the other two.


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