Conservatives Play The Anti-Race Card

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jan 12, 2008 at 09:47


People have noted for some time the curious phenomenae of conservatives attracted to Barack Obama.  At Salon, Joe Conasan's article "Why conservatives love Barack Obama" carried the subhead, "Clinton haters who think the Illinois senator can beat Hillary support him now, but their affection will fade if he gets the nomination."  The irrational exuberance of Hillary hatred seen before the New Hampshire primary certainly reminds us of how potent a force such hatred remains, not just within the official conservative establishment, but among its Versailles enablers as well.  Still, that's only part of the story.

Another reason was also on immediate display in the aftermath of the Iowa caucuses, and columnist Clarence Page took note, in a column "Too soon to call Sharpton and Jackson irrelevant":

some conservatives, in particular, can't wait to bum rush the current crop of media-anointed black leaders out the door.

"The big losers, two big losers tonight are probably Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton," George Will observed after the Illinois senator swept the Iowa Democratic caucuses last week.

The Revs. Sharpton and Jackson, Mr. Will said, were "representative of those who have a sort of investment in the traditional and, I believe, utterly exhausted narrative about race relations in the United States."

Conservative radio host Bill Bennett said Mr. Obama "has taught the black community you don't have to act like Jesse Jackson; you don't have to act like Al Sharpton. You can talk about the issues. And, this is a breakthrough."

Page's reference to "media-anointed black leaders" is bizarre, of course.  Jackson ran for President twice.  In the 1988 primaries, he got over 7 million votes, won ten states and went to the convention with over 1,200 delegates. Sharpton ran in 2004, and repeatedly confounded expectations with his cogent arguments in the debates.  This comment by Page is indicative of how, even when he's questioning what white conservatives are saying about black political issues at one level, he's buying into their assumptions at another:  Jackson and Sharpton don't really represent the black community, according to the subtext that Page has casually endorsed.  They are "media-anounted black leaders." (Unlike Obama?)

And what of Will and Bennet themselves?

Paul Rosenberg :: Conservatives Play The Anti-Race Card
With any other demographic group in American history, the notion that increased power within the electoral arena would not just diminish, but virtually erase the importance of political activists would be regarded with great skepticism, to say the least.  Yet, with blacks it seems almost natural, because whites in general, and conservatives in particular have been playing the "divide and conquer" game with the black community ever since the first slave was dragged off the first ship from Africa.  Because whites have been playing the game for so long, because it is so deeply ingrained in white American culture, it may even turn out to be the case.  But that doesn't necessarily make Will and Bennet's reasoning sound.  They are, after all, offering rationalizations for a dynamic of tokenism-you can have a black President, but not if it results in an all-around empowerment of black people, and the black community.

Bill Bennett and the Issue of "Issues"

Let's take Bennett first.  According to him, Jackson and Sharpton don't talk about issues, Barack Obama does.  There are many, many progressive activists who would strongly disagree with such a claim.  But why argue opinions?  Let's try a simple reality test, shall we?  Google all three and the top issue for black America for the last 3 months: subprime mortagatges, which threaten a massive loss of black assets.

Results 1 - 30 of about 68,300 over the past 3 months for "Jesse Jackson".
Results 1 - 30 of about 19,800 over the past 3 months for "Jesse Jackson" subprime
Percentage of name mentions with "subprime": 29.0%

Results 1 - 30 of about 64,100 over the past 3 months for  "Al Sharpton".
Results 1 - 30 of about 6,530 over the past 3 months for  "Al Sharpton" Suprime
Percentage of name mentions with "subprime": 10.2%

Results 1 - 30 of about 1,880,000 over the past 3 months for  "Barack Obama"
Results 1 - 30 of about 83,100 over the past 3 months for  "Barack Obama" Suprime.
Percentage of name mentions with "subprime": 4.4%

So, it looks like Jackson and Sharpton both have focused more attention, relatively, on the subprime mortgage problem than Obama has.  Of course, they're not running for President--this time--so that shouldn't be construed as a slam against Obama.  There's bound to be tons of process-oriented items about Obama, and he can't be held responsible for that.  Still, it is unmistakably true that both Sharpton and Jackson have paid significant attention to the number one issue confronting black America, the subprime mortgage crisis-significantly more than George Will or William Bennet, in fact:

Results 1 - 30 of about 36,300 over the past 3 months for  "George Will"
Results 1 - 30 of about 960 over the past 3 months for "George Will" subprime
Percentage of name mentions with "subprime": 2.6%

Bennett requires us to combine two searches-For "William Bennett" and "Bill Bennett:

Results 1 - 30 of about 13,400 over the past 3 months for "Bill Bennett"
Results 1 - 30 of about 13,400 over the past 3 months for "William Bennett"
Total: about 26,800

Results 1 - 30 of about 224 over the past 3 months for "Bill Bennett" subprime
Results 1 - 18 of 18 over the past 3 months for "William Bennett" subprime
Total: about 242
Percentage of name mentions with "subprime": 0.9%

Fancy that!  Look who's not talking about issues!  Bill Bennett, a hypocrite!  Who would have ever imagined?  I'm all like Claude Raines, you know?  At least George Will, at 2.6% is above 50% of Obama's total, and almost 10% of Jesse Jackson's.  Pretty good for white guy, don'cha think?

One more thing.

Looking at the first 30 items returned for Jesse Jackson, the "News results" section was headed by an item "Obama Surge Creates Problems for Jesse and Al", with the following text displayed:

Jesse Jackson, too, criticized Obama, during the so-called Jena Six matter. ... Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson's soul mate, also sounded alarms against Obama, ...

"133 related articles" were indicated.

But among the first 30 items, seven had to do with the subprime crisis, while he also spoke out in support of the Writers Guild Strike, in support of striking cafeteria workers, and in opposition to the XM/Sirius merger.  In short, Jesse Jackson is, as he long has been, one of the most issue-oriented and class-oriented figures in the American political scene; and while his primary concern is the well-being of black community, because that community is on the bottom of every heap in our country, the actions he engages in to lift it up lift up all Americans.

George Will and The Exhausted Narrative of "Exhausted Narratives"

Now back to George Will.  He thinks that Sharpton and Jackson "have a sort of investment in the traditional and, I believe, utterly exhausted narrative about race relations in the United States."

And what narrative would that be?  That blacks have been enslaved, segregated, and discriminated against throuhgout American history, and still suffer both ongoing discrimination and inherited disadvantages?  And that they need legal remedies to secure their rights?  Certainly, the likes of George Will have done everything within their power to exhaust that narrative-and nothing substantial to remedy the truths it points to.

The subprime mortgage crisis has disproportionately affected Blacks and Latinos, and the reason for that is simple: they have previously been locked out of homeownership, when the nation had aggressive policies of creating a large homeowning middle class.  Now, instead of government help in building equity, they have been left to the tender mercies of high-interest lenders-the exact opposite of the post WWII VHA/FHA system that allowed tens of millions of white Americans to join the homeowning middle class in the generation after World War II.  And the government did nothing to protect these people.

This Tuesday, United for a Fair Economy will be releasing its annual "State of the Dream Report"--" Foreclosed: State of the Dream 2008":

This presentation of our new report will detail how the subprime mortgage crisis will impact African-Americans and other people of color. We found that it will be the greatest loss of wealth for African-Americans in the modern US history. The report also estimates and compares the costs that will accrue to different racial groups, due to the racial bias in the way these loans were marketed and delivered.

But even before the subprime scam was perpertuated, the racial wealth gap severely impeded black progress, as a 2001 article in The Nation magazine, "The Black-White Wealth Gap" by Dalton Conley, explained:

Overall, the typical white family enjoys a net worth that is more than seven times that of its black counterpart. (Latinos--a very diverse group--overall fare slightly better than African-Americans but still fall far short of whites.)

This "equity inequity," which has grown in the decades since the civil rights triumphs of the sixties, cannot be explained by income differences alone. That is, while African-Americans do earn less than whites, asset gaps remain large even when we compare black and white families at the same income levels. For instance, at the lower end of the economic spectrum (incomes less than $15,000 per year), the median African-American family has a net worth of zero, while the equivalent white family's net worth is $10,000. Likewise, among the often-heralded new black middle class, the typical white family earning $40,000 per year enjoys a nest egg of around $80,000; its African-American counterpart has less than half that amount. Among the wealthiest Americans, the story is much the same: Oprah Winfrey and Robert L. Johnson (founder of Black Entertainment Television) are the only African-Americans on the Forbes annual list of the 400 richest people in the United States, and they are both on the lower end of the list.

This racial wealth gap accounts for many of the racial differences in socioeconomic achievement that have persisted in the post-civil rights era. When we compare black and white families who have the same income and net worth, we find that African-American kids are more likely to graduate from high school than whites and are just as likely to complete college. And when we compare individuals who grew up in families with the same economic resources--income and wealth--we find that the wage gap between blacks and whites disappears and that African-Americans are just as likely as Anglos to be working full time. But among the poor, a lack of assets makes blacks more likely to rely on welfare.

Stacey Jones, an African-American woman with a graduate degree and a solidly middle-class job, describes a common bind for minority parents: "I am, in effect, priced out of homebuying in good school districts," she says. "This, in turn, makes it difficult for me to pay more for housing, since I am spending a good deal of my income on education for my children." For much of the growing black middle class, a lack of assets means living from paycheck to paycheck, being trapped in a job or a neighborhood that is less beneficial in the long run, or not being able to send one's kids to top colleges. Income provides for day-to-day, week-to-week expenses; wealth is the stuff that upward mobility is made of. Equality of opportunity cannot be achieved under unequal conditions (such as differential access to wealth). Indeed, whether the parents enjoy the American dream of the house, the car and the 401(k) is one of the best predictors of whether a child will have a chance to achieve the same.

For the minority poor, the situation is even more precarious.

But, of course, we already knew it was worse for the minority poor.  What folks like Will and Bennett don't want anyone to realize is just how unequal things remain when blacks work their way into the middle class.  Because that goes to the very heart of why Jackson and Sharpton and countless other activists like them are not about to become obsolete just because one black family might make it to the most exclusive address in the country.

Coda:  It's Not Just The Subprime Crisis

Just because the subprime crisis is the biggest issue affecting Black America doesn't mean it's the only one.  Let's consider a pair of terms, "crime" and "hate crime."  As tireless agitators, according to the conservative stereotype, Jackson and Sharpton should never tire of talking about hate crimes, but be strangely silent about crime in general, which is-according to them-a self-inflicted plague of the black community.  As it turns out, however, Jackson and Sharpton both appear in entries that mention "crime" far more often than those that mention "hate crime".  As above, all the totals below are for the past 3 months:

Jesse Jackson:

68,300 for "Jesse Jackson".
14,000 for "Jesse Jackson" crime
1,670 for "Jesse Jackson" "hate crime"
    % of name mentions with "crime": 20.5%
    % of name mentions with "hate crime": 2.4%
    % of "crime" mentions with "hate crime": 11.9%

Al Sharpton:

64,100 for  "Al Sharpton".
14,900 for  "Al Sharpton" crime
2,570 for  "Al Sharpton" "hate crime"
    % of name mentions with "crime": 23.2%
    % of name mentions with "hate crime": 4.0%
    % of "crime" mentions with "hate crime": 17.2%

Barack Obama:

1,880,000 for  "Barack Obama"
115,000 for  "Barack Obama" crime.
4,920 for  "Barack Obama" "hate crime".
    % of name mentions with "crime": 6.1%
    % of name mentions with "hate crime": 0.3%
    % of "crime" mentions with "hate crime": 4.3%

We can also compare Obama to the other two leading Democratic candidates over the past 3 months:

Barack Obama:

1,880,000 for  "Barack Obama"
83,100 for  "Barack Obama" Suprime.
% of name mentions with "subprime": 4.4%

John Edwards:

218,000 for  "John Edwards".
14,900 for "John Edwards" subprime
% of name mentions with "subprime": 6.8%

Hillary Clinton:

2,090,000 for  "Hillary Clinton"
39,600 for "Hillary Clinton" subprime.
% of name mentions with "subprime": 1.9%

From these figures, Edwards' populism trumps Obama's race, but none of the candidates has brought the degree of focus of attention to the subprime mortgage crisis that Jackson or Sharpton would bring in their places.  It's just that simple.  When it comes to issues, these are your guys.

And for crime/hate crime:

Barack Obama:

1,880,000 for  "Barack Obama"
115,000 for  "Barack Obama" crime.
4,920 for  "Barack Obama" "hate crime".
    % of name mentions with "crime": 6.1%
    % of name mentions with "hate crime": 0.3%
    % of "crime" mentions with "hate crime": 4.3%

John Edwards:

80,600 for "John Edwards" crime.
3,070 for "John Edwards" "hate crime"
    % of name mentions with "crime": 37.0%
    % of name mentions with "hate crime": 1.4%
    % of "crime" mentions with "hate crime": 3.8%

Hillary Clinton:

120,000 for "Hillary Clinton" crime.
5,470 for "Hillary Clinton" "hate crime".
    % of name mentions with "crime": 5.7%
    % of name mentions with "hate crime": 0.3%
    % of "crime" mentions with "hate crime": 4.6%

Considering that crime in general is overwhelmingly a state and local matter, but that hate crimes are national and a moral concern, it appears that the relative neglect of hate crimes by all three leading Democratic contenders is indicative of how conservative agenda-setting still dominates their thinking.  The same is not true of Jackson and Sharpton.  Whatever your opinions of them, they are autonomous agents who challenge conservative agenda-setting, which is, of course, the real bottom-line reason that Will and Bennet and so many others are rooting for Obama to put them in their place.


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Is this how we research who talks about the issues now... (0.00 / 0)
Really?

Despite the fact that it has almost no value within presidential candidates, how could you even propose to use such a silly method to compare a non-presidential candidate to a presidential candidate? Don't you think it's much more likely for a non presidential candidate to focus on one issue?

I'm sorry but this is just silly journalism. I don't neccessarily disagree with the claims put forth but the methods are meaningless and poorly thought out.


I had similar thoughts about the google method (0.00 / 0)
of testing a hypothesis. But I'm willing to give some credence to the method and would not call it "meaningless". It certainly makes an excellent starting point for testing many ideas. Then depending upon the final uses one expects to draw from the idea, one can decide how much further to take it. If you are just posting a Saturday morning blog post, then fine, why take it further?

I love using Google to test language.  Can't decide whether to use "effect" or "affect". Google the phrase that uses each word. Think some word might be sexist? Compare the word with man and woman in a Google search.

In any case you are demanding too much rigor here.

Jeff Wegerson


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Please Read More Carefully (4.00 / 1)
I wrote:

So, it looks like Jackson and Sharpton both have focused more attention, relatively, on the subprime mortgage problem than Obama has.  Of course, they're not running for President--this time--so that shouldn't be construed as a slam against Obama.  There's bound to be tons of process-oriented items about Obama, and he can't be held responsible for that.  Still, it is unmistakably true that both Sharpton and Jackson have paid significant attention to the number one issue confronting black America, the subprime mortgage crisis.... [Emphasis Added]

I am refuting a specific claim made by Bennett, which is typical of a long-standing conservative attack on civil rights activists.  Google is a perfectly adequate tool for refuting that claim.  It is "crude, but effective," as they say in the trade.

Furthermore, the very ease and simplicity of using Google is part of the point--these guys are such lousy liars, they don't even realize they are walking around in broad daylight with their britches burning

Now, of course there are other ways of assessing how much attention people have devoted to different issues--though quantification is extremely difficult.  But the methods used here are perfectly appropriate for the point being made: Bill Bennett is a liar and a hypocrite.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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ok, I'll play your game (0.00 / 0)
Google search, results over the past 3 months

barack obama: 1.2 mill
barack obama race: 205,000
Percent that mention race: 17%
barack obama african american: 70,100
Percent that mention african american: 6%

al sharpton: 74,300
al sharpton race: 23,400
Percent that mention race: 31%
al sharpton african american: 13,200
Percent that mention african american: 56%

jesse jackson: 232,000
jesse jackson race: 38,100
Percent that mention race: 16%
jesse jackson african american: 27,100
Percent that mention african american: 11%

and one more because the sheer closeness of jesse jackson and barack obama surprised me:
barack obama black: 175,000
percent: 15%
jesse jackson black: 115,000
percent: 50%

I agree with you that Bill Bennett hasn't done his research and that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do talk about the issues. I think that you are missing the meaning of his statements and the general feeling that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson base their careers on race just as much as the issues and barack obama has focused on the issues much more than race. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I do believe this is true and widens his appeal because he is not specifically speaking to African Americans as much so he doesn't alienate white voters.

I still disagree strongly with the google search research method and if you want to refute someone who has not done their research I think the best way to do that is with rigorous research.


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Memo From Kettle To Pot (0.00 / 0)
Your Google searches prove nothing because there's no thesis, beyond the fact that you, too, can do Google searches. Mine were undertaken with a thesis in mind--to refute the conservative slander that Jackson and Sharpton don't talk about issues.

(Full disclosure here:  I was a Jackson volunteer in 1988.  I was involved with (a) Jews for Jackson, (b) Peace Activists for Jackson and (c) Environmentalists for Jackson.  It was a constant struggle to get Jackson's issue positions out.  Did you know that Jackson had a space policy?  Written by a JPL scientist.  Not some policy wonk.  An honest-to-goodness working JPL scientist. We had issues out the yin-yang.)

I agree with you that Bill Bennett hasn't done his research and that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do talk about the issues. I think that you are missing the meaning of his statements and the general feeling that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson base their careers on race just as much as the issues and barack obama has focused on the issues much more than race.

But (A) that wasn't what Bennett said and (B) that's not what the larger conservative narrative on civil rights leaders says, either.  Bennett said, Obama "has taught the black community you don't have to act like Jesse Jackson; you don't have to act like Al Sharpton. You can talk about the issues. And, this is a breakthrough."

Aside from this being an incredible insult to the entire black community (been here 300 years, and finally learned to talk about issues), he is clearly saying that Jackson and Sharpton don't talk about the issues.  The larger conservative narrative on civil rights leaders is that they're "hustlers" (no racial stereotyping there!)

For example, from an early 2007 column at TownHall, "Of Race and the Race" By Bill Murchison:

OK, he's in the race. Let's talk for a second or two about Barack Hussein Obama -- specifically, about his extraordinary-seeming appeal to white Americans.

Why? How come? We haven't seen this level of political enthusiasm for a non-white guy since Colin Powell set hearts aflutter following the Gulf War. Why a guy who, though demonstrably smart, has spent less time in the national spotlight than Brad Pitt.

U.S. Senator and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama (D-IL) speaks during a campaign stop at the University of New Hampshire in Durham, New Hampshire February 12, 2007. REUTERS/Brian Snyder (UNITED STATES)

Allow me to suggest the existence of a submerged but clearly sizable demand on the part of white folks and others for an end to racial animosities. Would Obama -- who straddles the color line neatly -- manage to reconcile Americans of varying shades and colorations and races?

One doesn't see exactly how. On the other hand, a lot of people want him to try, just as they hoped then-Gen. Powell would try.

What they want -- rightly so -- is an end to racial bickering, or just a lessening of it. They perceive -- again, rightly -- the source of the bickering to be the civil rights lobby, inside and outside politics. To the civil rights lobby, whose most conspicuous members are the racial hustlers Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, racism is everywhere -- and, man, it's white America's fault.

Among other things, this conservative narrative is intent on denying the most basic facts of black life--that more than 50 years after Brown v. Board of Education even middle-class, professional blacks face unequal obstacles based on race in a wide range of areas.  Just as conservatives deny global warming, deny evolution, and deny market failures, so, too, they deny the continued existence of racism.  And that's the meaning of Bill Bennett's statements, pure and simple.

I still disagree strongly with the google search research method and if you want to refute someone who has not done their research I think the best way to do that is with rigorous research.

You don't need "rigorous research" to know that water's wet if you get into an argument on the subject with a conservative blowhard. You just need to know where to get some to pour it on the damn fool's head.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Ok (0.00 / 0)
I see what you are saying about Bill Bennett. I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt when there was no reason to and also evidence to the contrary.

pot calling the kettle black? I think you are missing my overall narrative that as appealing as this google search method and it may seem to affirm our beliefs, it may seem in line with the facts sometimes but, even though I whole heartedly agree with you and believe you are 100% right, your argument, as presented, holds no more weight than Bennett's subjective opinion

It may just be me but I think the best way to refute someone like Bennett who makes up the "facts" based on their own personal opinion is to present a case of facts based on sound research methods.

I feel like otherwise we're just engaging in the debate on their level because I'm sure Bennett supporters could use a similar method to yours to "prove" that Obama does talk about the issues more.

If we do fancy ourselves as more intelligent than those we are arguing against, let's prove it.


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You Still Don't Get It (0.00 / 0)
Why do you insist on making Bennett's argument stronger than it actually was?  If he'd made a stronger argument, I wouldn't have casually picked on him for being such a fool.  But he didn't make a stronger argument.  And, in fact, he wouldn't be Bill Bennett if he did.

Put simply, Bennett did not argue "that Obama does talk about the issues more,"  which is why I didn't try to refute it.

That would not be nearly such a stupid or insulting argument to make, even though it would still be wrong.  I was going for the ideological heart of the matter, not the mere wrongness of it.  And when going after something like that, less is more. Pretending that it needs more than a casual Google search to disprove it grants it more dignity weight than it deserves.

If we do fancy ourselves as more intelligent than those we are arguing against, let's prove it.

Overkill is not a sign of intellegence.  The quality of the overkill may well be.  But the mere fact of it is not.

What I'm afraid you're missing here is the inherent snark factor in using Google to dispatch these fools.  This is a well-established blogosphere convention when confronting the Versailles punditalkcrazy.

In short, it's not just, "Why use a jackhammer when a screwdriver will do?"

It's, "Damn, doesn't that jackass even know how to us a screwdriver???"

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I guess... (0.00 / 0)
I'm still getting used to the blogosphere in general.

My background is in academic research and I was just suggesting pretty standard practices in academic research. My apologies for being the difficult new guy who doesn't know the ropes yet.

I guess that's why they say it's good enough for government work.


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Well, That Being The Case (0.00 / 0)
I have nothing against academic rigor. (My father was an English professor, my sister is presently, and my brother teaches rural sociology.  Not the most research-intensive fields, I grant you, but a damn sight better than a family full of advertising and real-estate types, no?)  I just don't like wasting it where it's not needed.

But, out of curiousity, what sort of methodology would you suggest for dealing with a more serious claim.  I'm not going to pin you down.  You can choose whatever claim you want, suggest a methodology and explain why.

The sad fact is that most conservative claims don't take much rigor at all to refute.  What you do need is a plentiful supply of your drug of choice (chocolate and caffeine in my case) for when you bang your head repeatedly against the wall dealing with their fallacious, illogical and vituperative rejoinders.

Still, it's always nice to engage in a little thought experiment for our own edification. So by all means, be my guest!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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well I guess it depends (4.00 / 1)
you alluded to a very good point that Bennett and Will don't exactly have an explicit argument so you'd have to start by defining their argument which you intend to refute. Ideally you would get them to agree that what you are refuting is indeed what they are claiming.

It sounds like they are trying to say that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson talked about race relations (or something to that effect that would have to more explicitly defined) more than they talked about 'the issues' (obviously 'the issues' would have to be defined because that is a very broad term.) I would also probably do the comparisons of Barack to Al and Jesse when they were presidential candidates because comparing them right now would require you to somehow control for the fact that there are differences between being a presidential primary candidate and not.

You'd have to be careful about how you define talking about 'the issues' just in the sense that, like you noticed by comparing to total google hits for the candidate, you can only talk about the issues when someone is willing to listen to you. But there is still an element of being willing to talk about it (for instance: Fred Thompson is often seen as a lazy campaigner so I think you would have to reflect that a candidate who rarely tries to get his views heard does not talk about the issues as much as someone who is talking about his views to anyone who will listen). But, as is often the charge against Obama, I think there would also have to be a way to quatify how much time a candidate speaks delivering rhetoric (whether it be change, experience, or whatever) that is not specifically 'an issue'.

I think it would require a lot of analysis of speeches delivered and the more I think of it the more I am beginning to see your point.

This is certainly a lot of work and I have the sneaking suspicion that if anyone bothered to put in the work to refute Will and Bennett they either wouldn't understand why it proved them wrong (assuming it did) or wouldn't care and say that you 'don't get it'.

On a closing note, I think it's strange if either Will or Bennett really think that race relations aren't an 'issue'. Most candidates have their flagship issue or two
Richardson had education and immediate withdrawl from Iraq
Dodd had his FISA stance and the carbon tax
why would it be such a bad thing if Sharpton, Jackson, or anyone for that matter had race relations as a major campaign issue?


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Thanks For Making The Effort (0.00 / 0)
You seem to have gotten my point.

I actually think it would be very interesting to pin those guys down and ask them the sorts of questions you suggest--defining precisely what their claim is (again, I say, you're being too generous, but you know that by now), what would count as proof, and why race relations per se doesn't count as an issue.  I don't think it would be easily done.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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while this method may have limitations (4.00 / 2)
calling is silly is... well... silly.  This is probably not a good approach for extracting precise morsels of factoids but it is a rather interesting approach to getting a general picture of something.  What's more there is a lot of drilling down here that is rather interesting in a big picture way, not so much a count the beans way, though it is a nice synthesis of the two.  I rather enjoyed this even if I did season it with a few grains of salt.  But believe me, I salt everything.

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What, No Pepper??? (n/t) (0.00 / 0)


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Obama VS Sharpton, Jackson (0.00 / 0)
is a tired storyline, but it underscores the need for conservatives to have their race theory (racism is a relic) to dominate American politics. If the inequality that American policy produces were challenged by a major party candidate, the very basis for much of conservative political victory would crumble.

Quite True (0.00 / 0)
After Jesse Jackson gave his convention speech in prime time in 1988, and low-information people who'd been lied to by the media for months on end realized he was an economic populist, his favorability ratings soared.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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