Why Did Obama's Progressive Coalition Fall Apart from Iowa to New Hampshire?

by: Matt Stoller

Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 00:49


Withdrawal Exit Poll in Iowa

If you compare Obama's victory in Iowa with his loss in New Hampshire, the story by the numbers is pretty simple.  In New Hampshire, Obama tied Clinton among the very liberal, and lost the somewhat liberal, the moderate, and the somewhat conservative groups by 1-2%.  That is within the margin of error for all groups.  In Iowa, Obama tied Clinton among conservatives, beat her by 2% among moderates (within the margin of error), beat her among 'somewhat liberals' by 11% and crushed her among the very liberal by 16%.  This tracks the angry with Bush block that Obama lost from the Iowa to New Hampshire, as angry with Bush voters are probably more liberal than not.

And now, Chris isomewhat despondent that voters are choosing candidates based on identity and not issues.  I think though that what has happened is not that identity is paramount, but that ethnic identity and not ideological identity has become paramount.  To some extent you can't disentangle these, but if you look at what happened from Iowa to New Hampshire, it's clear that the contest is not between ethnic groups but between competing identities among voting blocks themselves.  If the contest is ideological, Obama wins.  If it is based on ethnicity and gender, Clinton has a bigger coalition.

Matt Stoller :: Why Did Obama's Progressive Coalition Fall Apart from Iowa to New Hampshire?

The exit polling in New Hampshire on Iraq war is clear proof that substantive distinctions on major issues isn't how the electorate in the traditional coalition blocks are making decisions.  Those who want an immediate withdrawal from Iraq went for Clinton, while those who want to keep troops in Iraq or to bring them home gradually went for Obama (or to a lesser extent, Edwards). Not only has Clinton not paid for her vote on Iraq and her generally hawkish posture, but Democrats actually think she is the most liberal on Iraq.  This is precisely the opposite of what elites like Matthew Yglesias believe.  This misinformation also clearly breaks Obama's ideologically victorious Iowa coalition into pieces Clinton can pick off.

Clinton is framing the electorate right now, and Obama is letting her.  With attack dog Bill Clinton casting doubt on Obama's position on Iraq using his enormous megaphone, and Obama running commercials on his mother's experience in the health care system and his position on fuel efficiency, why shouldn't they believe that Clinton is the most progressive on Iraq?  And Iraq just isn't a very serious point of contention in the race, even though it is a top issue for voters.  This blurring of issues, in fact, the irrelevance of issues, is by design.  The person who is running Obama's race doesn't believe in ideological campaigns.

Axelrod's is a less grand, postideological approach, and his campaigns are rooted less in issues than in the particulars of his candidate's life. For him, running campaigns hitched to personality rather than ideology is a way of reclaiming fleeting authenticity. It is also, more and more, the way of the Democratic Party. Its 2006 Congressional campaign strategy - run by Axelrod's close friend Emanuel, with the Chicago consultant acting as principal sounding board - did not depend on any great idea of where the party ought to go, like the last political cataclysm, Newt Gingrich's 1994 House "revolution." As they have reclaimed power, the Democrats have done so not by moving appreciably to the left or the right; rather, they have done so by allowing their candidates to move in both directions at once. "What David is basically doing - and this is somewhat new for Democrats - isn't trying to figure out how to sell policies," says the Democratic media consultant Saul Shorr. "It's a matter of personality. How do we sell leadership?"

Rahm Emanuel's strategy for 2006 kept Iraq off the table until the Lieberman primary loss, though to his credit he offered a good amount of flexibility to candidates.  Axelrod makes his campaigns tests of personality, and eschews ideology.  That's why he's trying to piece together a clump of ethnic groups to bring Obama over the finish line, using a postpartisan message about hope.

The problem that Chris alluded to is that the math doesn't favor Obama in this context.  Right now, a coalition of older, female, and low income voters beats a coalition of African-American, young, secular, and high education voters, at least on a national level.  But somehow Obama broke up this coalition in Iowa, so obviously it's possible to get around ethnic/gender based identity politics.  Or rather, somehow it's possible to craft a different sort of identity politics. 

After all, identity is very complicated, and people have multiple overlapping identities.  Political scientists influenced by behavioral economics, like Ian S. Lustick, reflect this in their studies of ethnicity.

Regardless of how we approach the problem of studying ethnic identity and its political meanings, we can begin by assuming we each approach the topic constructivistically. From this position, identities at both the individual and collective levels are ultimately fluid, chosen, instrumentalizable, responsive to change in relevant incentive structures, and liable to be manipulated by cultural or political entrepreneurs.

Obama was a cultural and political entrepreneur in Iowa, but somehow the older incentive structure has reasserted itself.  Perhaps this quote from a voter explains what happened in New Hampshire

"But in the end, she was the one bringing up the real issues about the middle class like college loans. His speeches felt like pep rallies."

It's not that Clinton has an inviolable lock on old people, women, or low income voters, just as Obama doesn't have a lock on young people, seculars, or the highly educated.  As long as the categories are sliced this way, though, Clinton will win.  If you sliced it along ideological lines, 56% of the voting universe in New Hampshire is liberal whereas 36% is moderate.  There are other starker differences; 78% of New Hampshire voters see global warming as an urgent problem, 21% see it as a long-term problem.  And on Iraq, 94% of voters want to see troops withdrawn either ASAP or gradually, versus 5% who want to keep troops in country.

I don't really know what kind of strategy would work for Obama, and maybe his current postpartisan pattern is enough.  I worry though that it is leading him down a path on which he has a disadvantage.  I also wonder how he was able to break up the older coalition in Iowa and what identity groupings he was able to form that are now in tatters.  Obama's strategy is set, he's not going to run an ideological campaign.  But he was able to run one in Iowa, and progressive candidates (ie. future Ned Lamont's) are going to have to replicate what he did there.


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I think the Obama camp (0.00 / 0)
has caught onto their Iraq problem, and they seem to be fighting back fairly aggressively against Bill, and enlisting Sen. Durbin in the fight.

Sorry, but it's from the Politico:

"I'm really troubled by his questioning the sincerity of Barack Obama's opposition to the war in Iraq," Durbin said. "I really think it is unfortunate to question Barack's sincerity on the war. He has been there from the start, opposing this war."

The unsolicited comments - in a phone call to Politico from Springfield, Ill. - were a sign that the Obama campaign is going to react aggressively to perceived attacks on the senator's character.

"I really had hoped ... that it wouldn't become too personal or too negative," Durbin said. "I don't think that's good for either of the candidates or for our party. There may be clear some clear differences on some issues."

Durbin suggested that the former president has been giving somewhat revisionist accounts on the way the Iraq war debate played out.

"It was not easy to be against that war back when we cast that vote in October of 2002," Durbin said. "I was one of 23 who voted against the war. Barack was supportive - one of the few candidates speaking out strongly against it in Illinois.

"If President Clinton had opposed that war as strongly as Barack Obama at the time, it would have helped a lot of us who had voted against authorizing an invasion."



Clinton Isn't Obama's Iraq Problem (0.00 / 0)
Obama Is Obama's Iraq Problem.

Obama is running on his 'arms length away' speech of 2002 when he said he was against the war. But his post speech actions don't back up his speech.

He didn't subsequently go to the Senate when elected and introduce bills to end the war. In fact what he did was back Kerry and Edwards voted for the war and say he wasn't sure how he would have voted if he had been in the Senate also and had the information the others had and he didn't. He tried to explain away that support by saying he was just backing our candidates but yet he claim he doesn't decide on issues by taking politics into consideration. Either way Obama is being inconsistent.

Then after backing Kerry/Edwards Obama supported the war by being a reliable vote to fund the war.

He doesn't mention any of that now. Nor do his supporters. So he is running on rhetoric and running away from his record.

The voters know that and it was reflected in NH as the exit polls show.


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Not the whole story (0.00 / 0)
You're right that Obama's rhetoric has been better than his actions. But none of the field have been good on substantive action, so his rhetoric would tend to put him ahead. Bill isn't attacking Obama on the issue because his wife has a better record, but because they perceive Obama to have an opening through that issue and Bill, not having been in office in 2002, has a greater opportunity to misrepresent his position at the time.

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Bill Isn't Misrepesenting Anything (4.00 / 2)
Unless you just listen to soundbites presented out of context which is what is happening - just like on MTP this morning.

What is at issue is Obama running on an incomplete record by running from his actual record.

In contrast Clinton isn't doing that. She hides nothing. She talks about here just as she did for the umpteenth time this morning on MTP.

The reason Bill is bringing it up is because it contrasts the two candidates. One runs from their record. The other doesn't run from theirs.

We already have a guy in the WH who runs from their record and then tries to recreate reality. If Obama is doing this during his campaign why should we believe he would be any different if elected?


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Educated women in NH shifted their vote to Clinton (4.00 / 2)
What happened in NH mimicked what had happened in the 2000 Senate Race between Clinton and Lazio. What turned in her favor was that white, suburban, professional women decided at that point to vote for her. The same happened in NH

Judis has exit polling showing that while Clinton and Obama increased that share of votes from folks with only a high school diploma, that among college educated and post grad Democrats she gained 13 points and 8 points respectively and Obama lost 6 points and 3.  And women were more than the 53% of the electorate modelled in the pre primary polls, they were actually 57% of the electorate. Therefore  she gained among college educated women

From Judis

"...far more likely explanation (albeit one of several) for why the pre-election polls were wrong: Women--and college-educated women in particular-- shifted to Clinton. The polls show that while four percent of men switched over to Clinton, 12 percent of women did. Since there was very little change among voters without college degrees, one must infer that the bulk of the change came from women voters with college degrees."

Just like what happened in NY in 2000

http://www.tnr.com/p...
Check the chart in the article itself.  It just wouldn't format well in the copy and paste.

The New Republic
Poll Potheads by John B. Judis
The most thorough explanation--sorry, Mr. Kohut--for why Hillary Clinton won 
http://query.nytimes...

Below this is from 2000 and analysis of how she turned around the NY Senate race by getting the votes of educated, suburban women. The media's misoyginistic pile on was
analogous to Lazio's bullying in the debate.College educated women turned to her because it reminded them of all the difficulties they face in getting credit in a man's world. 

However, only one sex's educated voters are for Obama ...at least in NH.  And yes this is further validation of Chris's post, however in my mind it is also a validation of yours--- that women recognize the more progressive candidate of the two....which is HRC 

How Gender Helped Elect Hillary Clinton
Elizabeth Bumiller November 12, 2000

"MR. PENN also said Mrs. Clinton benefited most famously during the first of three debates when Mr. Lazio strode over to her side of the stage, waved a paper in her face and demanded she sign it to disavow the use of soft money in her campaign. ''You cannot be in a woman candidate's face,'' said Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster who is researching the nature of the women's vote. ''Women feel like guys are always in their face like that. It's almost like a physical assault. It's a huge turnoff to women.''

But there was a less-noticed moment in the second debate, Mr. Penn said, that his polling showed was just as important to Mrs. Clinton's support among women. It came when Mrs. Clinton said definitively that she would not vote for Supreme Court justices opposed to Roe v. Wade. But Mr. Lazio equivocated, saying that while he supported abortion rights, he had no litmus test for Supreme Court justices and would vote for ''the most experienced, qualified'' person.

''From that point on,'' said Mr. Penn, who was polling weekly and then daily, ''we were leading among white women.'' Ms. Lake agreed: ''The choice issue was really galvanizing for suburban women.''



"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
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Racism and sexism in NH and IA from the NES (0.00 / 0)
Two of the long-running questions on the National Election Survey are:

1) Government should help minority groups/blacks vs.  Minority groups/ blacks should help themselves

2) Women and men should have an equal role vs.  Women's place is in the home

In both cases, respondents rate their position on a 1-7 scale, with more liberal being towards 1.

Over the course of a couple decades of bi-annual surveys, the NES has about 250 responses from New Hampshire residents on these questions, and about 500 responses from Iowa residents on these questions. The results:

Blacks (US mean: 4.95)
NH: 4.96
IA: 5.18

Women (US mean: 3.10)
NH: 2.27
IA: 3.30

So based on these numbers, New Hampshire is slightly more liberal on the racial issue, though hardly distinguishable.  However, on the women issue, New Hampshire is considerably to the left of Iowa (and the US as a whole).

This doesn't by itself explain why the polls were wrong, but it does suggest that the disparity may have been due to people's views about a female candidate, rather than a black candidate.

(Incidentally, this is really just messing around -- these sample sizes are probably not nearly large enough, and spread across far too long, to draw significant inferences about anything...)


Although They're Reinforced By Who They've Elected (0.00 / 0)
Women politicians have done a lot better in New Hampshire than they've done in Iowa.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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identity = electibility (0.00 / 0)
i think a large part of the reason people are voting based on identity is because they feel that it factors into electibility. lets face it if we were voting on issues alone we would have entire different front-runners in our primary right now.

End this war. Stop John McCain. Cindy McCain is filthy rich.

Obama and Oprah let the genie out of the bottle, (0.00 / 0)
and they will never put it back.  What they got in NH, was push back.  IF my choice is on issues and agenda, I'm in Edwards camp because there isn't a dime's worth of difference between Hillary and Obama.  IF my choice is the black guy or the female, I'm in Hillary's camp.  By campaigning on the color of his skin, Obama created a rift that will come back to bite him. 

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

Campaigning ON his race not AWAY from his race? (0.00 / 0)
Really? How is having Oprah help him on the campaign trail "campaigning on the color of his skin"? Especially when she stated she wanted to do so for him?

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South Carolina dog whistle politics.... (0.00 / 0)
A vote for Obama is a vote for MLK's dream.


Media mogul Oprah Winfrey rallied the crowd of supporters -a primarily female and African-American audience - to get behind her friend, Obama, a new kind of leader who possesses "a tongue dipped in the unvarnished truth," Winfrey said.

--snip--

"Dr. King dreamed the dream, but we don't have to dream the dream anymore," Oprah told the crowd. "We get to vote that dream into office."

--snip--
http://www.thestate....



They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  


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In my gut (0.00 / 0)
I'm feel that all this racism stuff that is trying to be attributed to Clinton is coming out of the Obama camp.

Who would benefit most by Clinton being smeared a racist?

Certainly Clinton would not do a 180 on her lifelong support of Black causes. Certainly she is not dumb enough to inject racism into this election when even a child would know that only bad would come of it.

If there is a racist here it is Obama using his race as a wedge and a slime tactic. Anyone can read how his campaign is seizing every opportunity to take advantage of these unsourced stories. How convenient huh?


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Conspiracy theories (0.00 / 0)
You feel that in your gut because you're a lockstep supporter of Clinton. You have every right to be, but your position has nothing whatsoever to support it and is a pretty uncompelling attempt at a smear.

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When Bad Stuff Happens (0.00 / 0)
in politics people say "Follow The Money".

It is also well known in politics that when unsourced smears materialize people say: "Follow who it benefits".

All of a sudden - just by coincidence - Obama loses NH and up pops up unsourced smears against Clinton, a lifelong Black Supporter with plenty of Black endorsements.

All of a sudden - just by coincidence - Obama loses NH and his campaign starts taking comments by Clinton and purposely presenting them out of context in order to make her look racist. And that's fact.

Let's see here - - purposely presenting things out of context to smear someone with racism...

And at the same time unsourced smears popping up in the press and on the blogs!!!

Can anyone add around here? 1+1 = ???


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Still little real evidence (0.00 / 0)
Just as nobody that I've seen has suggested Clinton herself has come out with these slurs - something you really ought to mention, there's no hard evidence to link it to Obama, only a morass of hunches and guesses.

Some of his supporters may have tried to put that spin on events, but equally some of Clinton's inner circle have been pretty damn impolitic in their comments - Cuomo's comment in particular must come across as supremely ill-judged and even if one believes his (unconvincing but still possible) denials, it still seems racially insensitive.

Then there's the press corps to factor in. Their record on racial politics has never been great and there's a definite bias to the right and interest in sensationalist stories.

I'm not saying you're wrong - I simply don't have enough information. But you don't have enough information to prove your case either. Any unsubstantiated attempts to accuse either candidate of playing on racial bias are illegitimate whilst the picture is so fuzzy.

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I never did try (0.00 / 0)
to present my original comments as fact. I said in that post:
"In my gut I feel that..."

Those are not words of fact. But I do have a pretty good intuition over all and I do have over 30 years of experience observing and being involved in politics. You could say that I have saw it all. And normally when bogus stuff like this starts coming out it's a pretty safe bet that you can trace the trash like unsourced comments that hurt an opponent back to who is benefiting from it.

Now add it "The Fact", and this is fact, that the Obama camp and Obama himself is taking every opportunity to verbally take advantage of these unknown source comments and that additionally they are even spinning Clinton's actual words out of context, that it all stinks to high heaven. It is just too 'coincidental' that they would be parsing opponents words out of context and that the unsourced comments would miraculously show up at the same time. This is obviously a two front assault.

So there is some fact in play here as to Obama lying about what Clinton said by mischaracterizing what she said by lifting one line and putting their own meaning to it which makes her look Racist. That is shameful of Obama and when coming at the same time of the unsourced comments attributed to Clinton, in the world of politics it is not a stretch that the Obama camp is putting these unsourced comments in the hands of reporters. It's not like this type of thing has not happened before many many many times over the years.

So think what you want. If you are astute at all about political dirty tricks and in this case can't add up 1+1 then it is only because you don't want to.


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Ideology vs identity (4.00 / 1)
The problem with Obama is that he has yet to connect with women voters the way Bill Clinton did with black voters.  He connects with the young and that blunts Hillary's advantage, but that leaves him in the situation where he has to rely on Hillary failing.

Clinton's problem was that she only connected with a very specific subset of women voters.  The ones who felt that they had to act like men to get ahead.  What she has realized lately is that that is no longer true.  If she learns what she needed to she wins.  However that isn't an easy task in the middle of a campaign.  It generally takes a loss to force someone to reevaluate their beliefs.

As far as policies go the idea that issues are separate from identity tends to be held by people who don't have to deal with racism and sexism on a daily basis.


The Bottom Line Of This Analysis Seems To Be (4.00 / 6)
that Obama is trying to sell a post-partisan, post-ideology stance as the most progressive, and in New Hampshire, it failed.

Well, duh!

This may work with some of the people some of the time, but it's inherently self-contradictory, and I think that some folks simply can't afford to ignore that.  These are the people whom Hillary picked up.  And they appear to have perceived her as more liberal than she is precisely because Obama defined her that way by abandoning the field--even though Clinton herself attacked him as too liberal.

This is key:

"But in the end, she was the one bringing up the real issues about the middle class like college loans. His speeches felt like pep rallies."

In light of this analysis, I can't help but think that he lost the New Hampshire primary when he gave his Iowa victory speech, and it barely touched on issues at all, when it would have been the ideal time to clearly define himself in terms of issues.  Had he clearly focused on what his front-running campaign meant in terms of issues for the voters of New Hampshire, not only would this have connected with them in a very direct way, it would have defined him as the more progressive candidate.

One more thing:  It also seems quite probable that Clinton picked up a lot of people who probably would have voted for Edwards in Iowa.  He had a much stronger field operation in Iowa, she was relatively stronger in New Hampshire, and his vote was substantially lower.  In Iowa he had the biggest edga among people stressing empathy (vs. experience for Clinton and change for Obama).  In New Hampshire, Clinton was able to fuse empathy and experience--"I care about you, I care about the issues, look how long I've been fighting"--while Obama's relative lack of specificity made it harder to expand the pull of change--what sort of change? what does it mean to me?  will it really help people like me?

In short, I can't help but think that if Obama had been listening to folks who've been raising criticisms like me, he would have won in New Hampshire.

These criticisms were heard as attacks, and responded to with denials.  They were not regarded as information, as feedback.  And this lack of responsiveness to those not yet on board is both an inherent contradiction to his message of change, and a needless self-limitation of his campaign's growth potential.

The good news for Obama is that it's not too late to learn these lessons, and come back a lot stronger.  The people he lost in New Hampshire are not set in stone.  The bad news is that his advisors seem to be.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


Sorry I could only give you a 4 (0.00 / 0)
My dial goes to 11.

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Issues will not be part of Obama's campaign.... (0.00 / 0)
.......cause he's a loser on that. So's The Hill but since the voters are trapped in a perfect storm of misinformation about all three candidates it's a crap shoot who wins.

Great, great, great way to pick a leader in the most important election in some time

It must be what all concerned (trolls) want however as the Edwards blackout now extends from the corporatist to HuffPo, dKos, OpenLeft and a host of other sites.

Interesting thread on C&L, very long, the vast majority of comments lamenting the fact that JRE has been 'disappeared'.

Tremendously disappointing that a 'made up' candidate, a Liebercrat, a 'I voted for the war before I voted against it'. Is sucking all the air out of the conversation due to.....

Identity politics.

Or....

Issues?You want issues?

I've shit 'em.

I would have thought that Condi-Lies-a-Lot and Colin 'Me Lie' Powell would have disabused those on the left of the wisdom of judging people's politics or competence by the gender of skin color. Not to mention 'The Year of the Woman' which stuck us with DiFi, Pelosi and Joe's good, good friend Boxer.

But apparently not.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Who is this John Edwards person? (0.00 / 0)
  NH Total

Obama  9   25
Clinton  9   24
Edwards  4   19

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


You're WAY overthinking (4.00 / 3)
the difference between Iowa and New Hampshire. Obama won Iowa for two main reasons: a) He outspent Clinton by about 25%, and b) He's from a neighboring state (and therefore had a HUGE advantage in volunteers (a highly underrated advantage I've heard very little about)). Clinton won New Hampshire because she matched and even exceeded Obama in spending, and is from a (near) neighboring state.

Period. The rest is noise. It may turn out to be important noise, given how close the race is. But don't look to IA and NH for lessons in how it will end.


Thanks (0.00 / 0)
for the dose of common sense.  I thought I was the only one who had noticed.  :-)

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I, Too Was Surprised (0.00 / 0)
by how little notice was taken of the fact that Illinois borders on Iowa.  As I recall, every time Gephard would run, the commentators couldn't shut up about his state's proximity  (even though he represented a district quite a ways from the border).

Well, okay, I exaggerate maybe a little.  But it was mentioned with some regularity.  And with Obama it seems to have been virtually ignored.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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Yepsen tried to bring it up (0.00 / 0)
But it was over a baseless attack on young people voting in the caucuses, so it never really stuck.

Maybe it's because Obama is associated more with Chicago than Illinois?

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And Gephardt Was Associated With Missouri, Not St. Louis Because....? (0.00 / 0)
All those cities in Missouri look the same?

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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1988? (0.00 / 0)
Or because he was a labor Dem? Or because nobody in the DC press corps has an idea of Midwestern geography?

I have absolutely no idea, to be honest. I don't remember having any real awareness of the 2004 primaries until around December 2003 and even then I didn't pay that much attention.

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Nah! Don't Think Too Much (0.00 / 0)
It's the race thing, piled on top of the Chicago/downstate schema.

But mostly just that Obama's black, and therefore they just can't think of him being georgraphically right next door to white bread Iowa, even though he represents the entire state of Illinois, and Gephardt only represented his disctrict in St. Louis.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


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