We Didn't Start A War In Iraq To Reduce Violence In Iraq

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Jan 18, 2008 at 13:55


I'm told we are winning in Iraq. It appears our national victory prize is for violence in Baghdad to return to 2004 levels, coupled with an large occupation force that will last five more years:

About 75% of Baghdad's neighborhoods are now secure, a dramatic increase from 8% a year ago when President Bush ordered more troops to the capital, U.S. military figures show.(…)

The data given by the military to USA TODAY provide one of the clearest snapshots yet of how security has improved in Baghdad since roughly 30,000 additional American troops arrived in Iraq last year.(…)

The 310 neighborhoods in the "control" category are secure, but depend on U.S. and Iraqi military forces to maintain the peace.

If we know the escalation is working because violence levels in Baghdad have been reduced from its peak levels, and if the presence of American troops is required in order to keep violence levels at those somewhat lower rates, then it appears our entire purpose in Iraq, and national reward for winning in Iraq, is to have a large American occupying force in Iraq that maintains 2004 levels of violence in Baghdad.

The reasoning behind the "successful surge" narrative is that less violence in Iraq equals progress in Iraq. So, if the surge worked because violence levels in Baghdad have dropped slightly, then everything that has happened in the Iraq war so far was done in order to reduce the levels of violence in Iraq. And here is what has happened in Iraq so far:

Chris Bowers :: We Didn't Start A War In Iraq To Reduce Violence In Iraq

In other words, hundreds of thousands of people have died in Iraq in order to achieve the progress of reduced violence the levels of violence in Baghdad.

If progressives want to defeat the "surge is working" narrative, we need to keep pointing out that the humanitarian, military, financial, and international costs of the war are not all worth returning violence levels in Baghdad to 2004 levels. That is exactly in line with public opinion, as well. Over the past twelve months, the ABC-News / WaPo poll has shown two steady trendlines in public opinion: the number of people who think that Iraq is seeing a drop in violence has increased from 32% to 42% (it is still in a clear minority), while the number of people who think the war was worth the costs has increased from 58% to 64%. In other words, Americans don't think that reducing violence levels in Baghdad to 2004 levels is worth the costs of the war. That isn't a surprise, since 'm not clear on how ethnic cleansing and hundreds of thousands of deaths justified can be justified by a reduction of violence levels in Baghdad that can only be maintained by an enormous American military occupation.

If progress in Iraq is measured by a reduction of violence in Iraq, then how can anything we accomplish in Iraq ever be worth the violence that has already taken place in Iraq over the last five years? I doubt leading Democrats will ever pick up on this simple point, no matter how in line it is with American opinion, because they fear it will somehow make them appear to be part of an anti-military, 70's style love-in. After all, I can't remember and prominent Democrats pointing out that violence in Basra has dropped more dramatically than in Baghdad as a result of British withdrawal. However, the premise of is a straightforward argument in line with public opinion: the reduction of violence in some parts of Iraq is not even close to being worth the costs of the war. We didn't start a war in Iraq in order to reduce violence in Iraq. Instead, we invaded Iraq to do some other things, but right now for the life of me I just can't remember what those things were.


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Our side (apart from the netroots) is doing a shitty job getting this message (0.00 / 0)
out.

Anecdotally I've had people who were against the war recently tell me - and parrot the MSM - bullshit lines that, "hey, the surge is working."  I've also been told by some Democrats against the war from the beginning that since the "surge is working", Hillary will be vindicated and now, because the "surge is working" is better positioned for November than, say, Obama.

That's not good.  What are the Democrats doing to counter this?

My brother-in-law is a captain in the army and was part of the initial invasion and occupation and has been back twice, each time for a significant period of time.  He indicates that the dirty little secret about the war and the prospect for the future of the country is that almost ALL of the Iraqis who helped the Americans in the war and occupation have since been murdered. 

He told me that the military knows that most of the Iraqis who would have been TRUSTED and CAPABLE of running the country after we leave are dead from all the reprisals (and we failed to properly protect them in the beginning, but that's another story).

Thus, no matter how well the surge is going or how much the violence in Iraq has decreased, it's an illusion because there is no political reconciliation or political success because the talented people who were friendly to the United States and who could have constituted political success are dead.  Simply put:  there is no one able to run the country.  And any new Iraqi who demonstrates a willingness and ability to help with political reconciliation will eventually be murdered.  So the surge is an illusion and hasn't changed a thing long-term.

More people need to know this.

For some reason, it seems that Obama has some pathological and deep-seated psychological need for Republicans to like him.  Seriously.  It's weird.


Tactics vs Strategy (0.00 / 0)
The surge is working tactically, but is a complete failure strategically.  None of the state goals that reduced hostilities were supposed to give Iraq time to accomplish have been accomplished.  In a nutshell, that is true for the entire war.

As far as I know, we have basically won every battle and every engagement.  Our troops have successfully complete virtually very mission given to them.  And it doesn't help.

Now, if your real goal is to keep large number of troops in Iraq for a long time without Americans complaining too much, well, the surge is going just dandy.


the bribery surge (0.00 / 0)
Is working tactically.  Isn't it just that the US is now buying cooperation from various violent factions?  "Negotiating" with terrorists.

I really do question how much difference 30K more troops could possibly have made in a country of what, 30M?  Also, with so many coalition forces leaving the US forces were often just filling in for departing allies.

To steal from MLK, at best they will achieve an absence of violence, but this is not peace, which requires the presence of justice.


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Bill Richardson (0.00 / 0)
Your buddy Richardson pointed that out about Basra and the reduced level of violence after the British withdrawal. In a debate, I think.

Also - 64% say the war was worth the costs? Is that a typo?


Why The USofA Invaded Iraq--a reminder (4.00 / 1)
1) To void all those energy exploration and exploitation deals that Saddam and his ministers had signed with French, Russian, the Chinese, and other Governments, which excluded Anglo/Murkin 'interests,' and to forge new agreements which rectified those previous 'oversights.' Saddam and his guys weren't gonna renege on the previous deals, so they had to be "replaced" (i.e., 'killed'). The jewel in the crown is the new, proposed Iraq Oil Law, which grants huge favors and concessions to Anglo/Murkin concerns. Read all about it. It's passage will ratify the 'transformation' of Iraq into a 'working democracy' and guarantee the sitting Iraqi prime minister--mebbe, by then, Ahmad Chalabi will have popped up again--the title of "the Washington of the Tigris," or the "Lincoln of Mesopotamia" or some shit.

2) To launch a land-based air-craft carrier batle group into the heart of the resource-rich, hotly contested, tumultuous trans-Caspian energy pool. From bases in Kirkuk, for instance (which just happens to be the locale one of the four huge, 'temporary' bases nearly built now in Iraq), every population center--as well as every oil terminal, pipeline and depot--from the Bosporus to the Kyber Pass is within the effective, tactical range of supersonic, USer fighter-bombers. This is a vital necessity, if the USofA hopes to contain the energy ambitions of the Chinese, the Indians, and the re-emergent Russians. They didn't/don't call it the Grand Game for nothing.

3) To eliminate Iraq from the actors threatening Israel. Saddam Hussein probably signed his own death warrant when, during the 1st Gulf 'war,' he fired those ridiculous SCUD missiles into the Negev. His fate was sealed by the elevation to power in the US of the Chimp, a psychotic asshole "Sonny" who couldn't understand that Saddam's trying to off GHWB was just "bidness.' The denaturing of Iraq as a threat to Israel would be best accomplished by the Balkanization of the country, which could also be an outcome of the Iraq Oil Law, mentioned above.


Iraqis are actors in their own drama, you know (0.00 / 0)
It is a no-brainer to counter "the surge is working" line if one can perform a simple mental exercise: just look at Iraq from the perspective of Iraq's own majority. Their country is trashed, their lives remain insecure or constricted in the interests of safety, their young people have missed years of school, their relatives are dead, fled, or fighting some enemy... Sure, there are a few Iraqi sell-outs in the Green Zone or London who are doing fine under the occupation, but the rest of the country is just waiting for the US to get tired, the factions to fight it out and someone to take over.

And nothing any of these jerks running for President do is going to change that.

Being able to imagine how US actions look to people on the end of them is a minimal pre-requisite for any rational foreign policy. I am not hopeful.

Can it happen here?


Nixon Did This With Vietnam, Too (0.00 / 0)
It's the whole reason you see those ridiculous POW/MIA flags everywhere, shamelessly exploiting inchoate emotions.  The war had grown fiercely unpopular, and so Nixon needed to totally invert the logic of the war, which he accomplished with the aid of H. Ross (the Boss) Perot. (Are all political "straight shooters" as crooked as the day is long?  In a word, "yes!")

What they did was sheer genius--and a direct parallel to the Bush canard about the Dems leaving troops in Iraq with no bullets to shoot.  They complained that we couldn't leave Vietnam Iraq, because the North Vietnamese hadn't released our POWs--not to mention all the MIAs (less than in virtually any war we'd ever fought, but never mind that, we were just sure they'd all been transported to dungeons in the land of Mordor.)  Of course, in any war it's SOP that POWs aren't released until after the end of hostilities, but Nixon simply insisted that this time they had to be released first, because, well, because!  So there!

And that then became the rationale for why were fighting in Vietnam--to rescue the POWs that the mean old North Vietnamese had captured.  And, of course, they were mean--the prison guards, that is.  But, then, the pilots and crews they were torturing had been out to bomb civilians, which is a war crime in and of itself, so there were no innocents on either side.  Which was something Nixon, above all, could definitely relate to.

So, in short, we now have ourselves a whole new sixpack of striking parallels between Vietnam and Iraq....

Say, are we sure there's no jungles in Iraq?  I mean, the wingnuts still think there are WMDs, maybe we should hold out hope for a lost jungle or two.

Maybe a rice paddy?

Pagoda?

Rikshaw?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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