The Role of Candidates in Movement-Building

by: Jenifer Fernandez Ancona

Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 15:55


(Also, be sure to check out Matt's post just below this - promoted by Chris Bowers)

I'm going to chime in on the discussion about 2008 presidential candidates and the blogosphere that Chris weighed in on over the weekend.

Obviously, this is a post in which letting people know up front that I have chosen a candidate to support is relevant (in fact, it's the point). So: I support Barack Obama in 2008, and I'm supporting him as part of an independent grass-roots PAC in California called Vote Hope. This is the latest in my years of experience in electoral and movement politics, including working on the Dean campaign, dozens of state and local races, and being in meetings with Jesse Jackson.

I think Chris was brave to raise this issue, and I thank him for it. Difficult conversations are important, and I admire Chris, and the blogosphere in general, for the willingness to have them.

Chris ended up exploring the issue from a personal level rather than trying to speak about the blogosphere as a whole, and reading through the discussions sparked by his post, that feels like a valuable lesson. While it is tempting to try to analyze the progressive blogosphere in terms of a single voting bloc, that's just not the reality of what's happening in the blogosphere. People who are active in this sector of the movement come to it from very different perspectives, and it has gotten large enough now that it would be unreasonable to expect widespread agreement on one candidate.

However, there are some important questions I think we should be asking ourselves. Chris asked a few over the weekend, and Matt asked some different ones last week. Given that my lens is much more from a broad, progressive movement-building perspective than a "netroots" perspective, my main question is: What is the role of candidates in movement-building?

Jenifer Fernandez Ancona :: The Role of Candidates in Movement-Building
We can get distracted trying to find one "movement candidate" at this stage of movement-building we are in, as many of the commenters on Matt's post above noted. Our multi-issue progressive movement has simply not yet had the kind of funding or organizational leadership that it needs to develop and converge on the ideas, grow the membership, nurture the leaders and strengthen the communication channels that we would need for it to be possible for us to have one "movement candidate" right now. And yet almost everyone agrees that this presidential primary is an important moment in our movement. So where does that leave us for 2008?

I believe that in this nascent stage of movement-building, candidates can help us. They are like tools. Or the way I like to think of it, like planets in a solar system that we can slingshot around to make our collective movement stronger: bigger, more cohesive, and with a more clear set of values and governing principles. This is the essence of why, as a movement activist, I have deliberately chosen to take sides in this primary.

One example of this concept is the Jesse Jackson primary campaigns in the 1980s, which were absolutely a vehicle for movement-building. One of my co-workers at Vote Hope, in reflecting on his involvement in those campaigns, said the draw for him was not the personal qualities of candidate Jesse Jackson. It was about the idea of a movement based on the politics of a multi-racial coalition that would fight for the "desperate, the dammed, the disinherited, the disrespected, and the despised," as Jesse laid out in his 1984 Democratic convention speech. This was movement-building because Jackson didn't just talk about that constituency; it was one of the rare times in history where someone tried to organize that constituency into an electoral force. It was a merging of the ideals of the Civil Rights Movement and an electoral campaign for real power, and it was an incredibly moving notion for people.

Many folks in my generation and on the blogs had a similar kind of experience getting involved with Howard Dean. For me, it was not about Dean himself -- there were plenty of things about his personality and some of his positions that I worried about. But the idea of "You Have the Power" was incredibly motivating and quite transformational for me. While I clearly came of political age through the Dean campaign, many of the people who have been most influential on my thinking about movement-building, and who I am now working with around the Obama candidacy, came of political age through the Jackson campaigns. I have found that there is a really interesting confluence of thinking that happens when you bring people together, across generations, who have had these different perspectives.

In this context, I feel good about sharing my reasons for the side I am taking in this primary, just as Chris shared his for staying neutral.In terms of movement-building, there are two things I care about most. One is getting more people involved in the concept of politics. There are just way too many people who are inherently progressive, but who are completely detached from politics, except maybe voting -- largely uninformed -- on Election Day. I am most concerned about young people and people of color being involved, which brings me to my second point: the moral center I discussed in my post last week. During this primary cycle, I want us to try to better define the underlying principles and narrative (not a laundry list of policies or issues) that can unite our winning, multi-racial progressive coalition.

To the first point, there is simply an incredible amount of people power surrounding Obama right now. And the fact that the enormous crowds and massive small donor base are so diverse, racially and across generations, makes getting on board with Obama feel like being a part of something larger than yourself. You will see that reflected in many of the diaries that went up when people participated in the Walk for Change in June (this is one of my favorites). Additionally, one of the things that comes out of campaigns is the development of activists, organizers and elected leaders for the next 20 years. Barbara Lee came out of Shirley Chisolm's campaign for example, and Paul Wellstone was Jackson's Minnesota campaign director. The people who are active in campaigns in 2008 will make up the pool from which our future progressive leadership is going to come, which is why I think it's critical to relate to it.

The second point has to do with how and why I suspect it is that Obama is catching on. Why has he been the one to combine both large and small donor backing with super-sized people power? The answer, I think, lies in Obama's ability to tell the story of progressive America. He accomplishes this both in his speeches and other campaign tactics but also simply through the story of his life. Electorally, this matters greatly, because one of the keys to the conservative movement's ongoing strengths has been their ability to define and reinforce narratives.

At a deeper level, one of the big ideas that underlies Obama's message is interdependence, or solidarity, which I believe is an incredibly important principle for the progressive movement. A main thrust of Obama's message, and one that he says in every speech I have seen him give, is the concept that "I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper," that "we all have a stake in each other." Part of the power I see here, from my perspective of wanting to build a multi-racial coalition, is it's the only principle that deeply unites both the environmental movement (which is largely white in leadership) and the social justice movement (largely led by people of color). John Muir said: "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe." Martin Luther King, Jr. said: "All life is interrelated. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality; tied in a single garment of destiny." In talking about solidarity in a way that is clearly connecting with people, I think Obama is helping to make the case for our worldview. We know we're on to something when the right wing attacks, right? Tucker Carlson helped crystalize this for me last week when he ridiculed Obama for taking on this message.

Finally, there is significance in the fact that the PAC I am working on right now is called "Vote Hope" and not "Vote Obama." We believe in the importance of building up infrastructure that is tied to the energy of candidates (including those at the local, state and regional levels), but that is long-term, and doesn't end when the campaign does. A large base of supporters can be very valuable in helping to hold candidates accountable once they are elected and begin governing. But that power diminishes without the infrastructure on a local and state level to support it. A viable candidate may always choose to focus on getting elected. It's our job to do the rest of the hard work.

Again, these are my own personal reflections, and I think it would be great to hear from people who are supporting a different candidate, on how they are using that candidate to help strengthen and build the movement. I'm making mine here, but it does not mean I discount others. Movement-building is not a zero-sum game. Much of the conversation on the blogs thus far has lacked that analysis, which I think has led to some of the confusion and frustration by those who are observing and participating in this conversation.

I will also say that I think there are other parts of Obama's narrative that I don't see as particularly helpful to movement-building, but that I think are part of his campaign's tactics to win an election. This is precisely why I see candidates and campaigns as tools for movement activists, as opposed to "the movement" itself.

I have a dear friend who is an organizer and local Democratic Party leader in California, who has not taken sides as strongly as I have, and it has led to many heated debates between us. But I respect him for what he plans to do in the meantime, which is to volunteer for both candidates he sees as capable of pushing the movement forward (in his case, Obama and Edwards).

My point in bringing this up is, there is a difference between staying neutral in terms of an endorsement, but being involved in all the campaigns that you think can help push the movement forward, and just staying out of it. My organizer friend is doing it by contributing to the on-the-ground work in his community. Bloggers like Chris and Matt, Atrios and the folks at Firedog Lake and the Huffington Post are doing it by writing about all the candidates and trying to push them to better progressive positions, which I think is great.

What I don't think is great, and what I think is potentially dangerous, is people who are just sitting on the sidelines, and it can be a fine line. I see things like, "I don't have a dog in this hunt," from prominent bloggers, and that worries me. This is also why I take issue with bloggers who I hear say they don't want to get involved with anyone now because they are waiting for Gore to get in the race. My response is, how is waiting for Gore to get in the race strengthening the movement? And how can you let this incredible moment for organizing pass you by as you wait?

A better approach, I would argue, is to find a planet or two to slingshot around. That is what the movement needs from you right now.


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I think Vote Hope is a ruse... (4.00 / 1)
and it's way more about Obama than you represent.  From what I see, the movement to engage people is to engage them, but just for Obama.  You all may pretend that Obama is not the focus, but it's not very convincing to me and, hopefully, others.  But I guess if you didn't pretend, a cynical act in itself, then what is ostensible would be apparent.

The Boston Globe points out some interesting information about your PAC.

http://www.boston.co...

As your diary here basically says that Obama is the most suited to the movement (imagine that), I hope this site will find supporters of other candidates to be front pagers as well.  It should be no harder for them to write diaries that appear to discuss larger issues while indirectly pimping for a respective candidate.


Wow (0.00 / 0)
so much to unpack in those few sentences.  Vote Hope is very upfront about what they are planning on doing.  Heck they have even listed their numerical goal for their grassroots organizing.  That article makes it very clear that they are raising money from maxed out Obama donors to work the state for Obama.  The donors dont have control on exactly how that money is being spent.  The 527 is a separate entity that cannot work just for one candidate.

Vote Hope has already started working to support other candidates besides Obama.  I believe they are supporting Kamala Harris in SF and just announced on Friday that they will be working to support Charlie Brown.  If they were just working for Obama they would not be creating a long term structure and everything would be over in six months when California residents go to the polls.

drack you could always write a diary yourself about another candidate.  Jen has been very up front about what she is doing.


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I know I could, and I can also comment... (0.00 / 0)
which I did.

I think that Vote Hope has started a bad trend in politics.  Just wait until there are PACs like this in every state for every candidate.  Lovely.  It's especially bad in that they focus on those who have already maxed out.

The group is assisting Obama indirectly at a time when he decries PACs and the infusion of money into politics.  Maybe he should be more affirmative in objecting to this end run around his beliefs in campaign finance.

Does there ever come a time when we can say, enough!  This focus on money is sick.

This reminds me of Obama's pledge not to take the money of lobbyists directly, yet accept their help in organizing, fundraising and providing donor lists.  Technical compliance, yes.  But does that live up to the spirit of his rhetoric?  Guess so.  Just keep those checks coming in.  There is never enough money to spend.  Wanna but a key chain and become a donor?

Vote Hope may support other candidates locally, but in my opinion, it's for the purpose of maintaining the ruse that it is about a movement when, I believe, it is a front organization for Obama, plain and simple.  To me, it is a cynical stretching of the envelope in order to maximize a candidate's money in the political system beyond what the FEC contemplated. 


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At the risk (4.00 / 1)
of continuing this flame war on outside expenditures this gives me the opportunity to talk about infrastructure.  Let me be up front in saying that I am friends with Jen and we have discussed the VH plans, a lot of which she wrote about here.

First of all the main people behind VH are Democracy Alliance folks.  These are the funders of the greater movement.  They wanted to build up progressive infrastructure in California that stretched across identity lines.  One of the best ways to do that is to use the energy generated in a campaign to forge connections that can be used later.  Look at DfA.  It grew out of the Dean movement and then transitioned into an amazing grassroots organization after the election.  VH is hoping to do the same thing here.  And the fact that they are planning now for the future is fantastic.

We talk a lot about building progressive infrastructure here.  About encouraging big donors to give money so that we can fight the good fight.  That's what's going on here.  VH is not another Swiftboat 527.  They are not going to be launching attack ads on the other candidates.  They will be registering voters and working on GOTV in communities that rarely have good outreach.  That is exciting.  And the fact that they can pay Jen in a way that frees her up to blog about it is even better.


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They should not have pre-selected... (0.00 / 0)
a candidate.  That is not the way movements happen, unless they are movements for a particular candidate.

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No (4.00 / 1)
they saw a movement forming around Obama and saw that that could be grown.  Absent that movement and there would be no opportunity to really run a grassroots campaign for him.  Doing the same thing for Hillary just wouldn't work.

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But they have made it less inclusionary... (0.00 / 0)
not good for a movement.

And that just shows it IS candidate driven, not the other way around.


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I think (0.00 / 0)
You might want to get over the conspiratorial whining and actually drop some substance.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Good god (0.00 / 0)
I guess some people can't wait to see the candidate flame wars get out of hand on Open Left. How dare anyone who supports any candidate post on any site without supporters of other candidates posting too?

"But I guess if you didn't pretend, a cynical act in itself, then what is ostensible would be apparent."

Amazing that such an unbelievably cynical comment would accuse others of being cynical. Pretty gross. If your criticisms frequently move to the personal like this, you won't find a happy home here.

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And if Open Left is going to be in effect (4.00 / 1)
sponsoring spokespeople of a questionable PAC disavowed by the campaign, your site won't be a happy home for many either, regardless of who they support. She is more than just a supporter of a candidate, there is a big difference.  Does this really help the progressive cause?

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Do you support any candidate? (0.00 / 0)
Any at all? Because you aren't disclosing it so you must be an anti-democratic troll.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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I do think that what Vote Hope (0.00 / 0)
is doing skirts the edge of what's legal in terms of McCain-Feingold, and violates the spirit (if not the word) of the law.

But, I really don't think that this diary is the place to have this conversation.

Rather, I'd suggest that it would be good to have this discussion in a separate diary about the ethics of this type of blatantly candidate-oriented "independent expenditure."

And focus on the act not the actors.


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Oh for the love of crap (4.00 / 1)
how dare we talk to each other and hold discussions among people who have actually supported a candidate.

Take the candidate flame wars elsewhere. This post was about whether or not supporting a candidate was helpful to the movement. You flip out because the person doing the discussion is supporting someone you clearly don't like.

I'm not going to give many warnings on this stuff. Make one more personal accusation like that and you will be banned.

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I am confused... (4.00 / 1)
Did not the diary talk about a movement that is more important than the candidate?

But from my perspective, this very organization seems to promote a candidate over the movement.

Is that unfair to raise as an issue?  These people they bring into the movement are for a candidate.  If they supported and advocated for another candidate, would this PAC welcome them to this movement?

Moreover, the diary itself actually advocates for Obama.  So does it not invite criticism from supporters of other candidates?

I wish this was more well thought out.  I hope you will invite supporters of other candidates to regularly participate on the front page.


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I Don't Think You Understand (4.00 / 1)
Moreover, the diary itself actually advocates for Obama.  So does it not invite criticism from supporters of other candidates?

There are different types of advocacy. This is not advocating for Obama in a narrow sense.  Jenifer says:

Again, these are my own personal reflections, and I think it would be great to hear from people who are supporting a different candidate, on how they are using that candidate to help strengthen and build the movement. I'm making mine here, but it does not mean I discount others. Movement-building is not a zero-sum game. Much of the conversation on the blogs thus far has lacked that analysis, which I think has led to some of the confusion and frustration by those who are observing and participating in this conversation.

I will also say that I think there are other parts of Obama's narrative that I don't see as particularly helpful to movement-building, but that I think are part of his campaign's tactics to win an election. This is precisely why I see candidates and campaigns as tools for movement activists, as opposed to "the movement" itself.


If this is advocacy, it is remarkably non-competitive advocacy.  And if it deserves an advocacy response, that response should be similarly non-competitive.

In the normal course of things, I have repeatedly been frustrated with (seemingly neophyte) Obama supporters who can't hear anything in the way of constructive or evaluative criticism.  To them, anything less than praise is an attack, and must be treated as such.

Here, it seems that the opposite dynamic is in play.  A very broad, thoughtful piece from an Obama supporter who is out front, self-reflective and respectfully restrained is attacked without restraint or respect to what she's actually saying.

Both dynamics, whether pro- or anti-Obama, are equally insular, narrow-minded, disrespectful, and antithetical to movement building.  I understand that the passion behind them may still be a wonderful thing, and that people may outgrow where they are right now.  So I'm not weighing in to blame folks individually.

I just want to point out how misdirected and wasteful this particular sort of dynamic is, for those who are caught up in at as much as for those they attack.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Its about a lot more than candidate flame wars (0.00 / 0)
and if you are going to let someone representing a group like this Front Page, you sholdnt be surprised if it becomes an issue. You can't have it both ways.

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Sorry if you feel that way... (4.00 / 1)
I am not pimping anyone here or trying to start a flame war, just expressing my opinion.

I believe Vote Hope does pretend to be about something besides it's primary purpose.  I think it's a bad thing for politics when another innovation for raising money is created.

Good god -- look at the Vote Hope web site.  Who is featured?  Let's just "Bank it for Barack."

What is cynical is to have a site that is dedicated to a candidate, yet in the diary it attempts to convince that:

We can get distracted trying to find one "movement candidate" at this stage of movement-building we are in,

With due respect, "Bank it for Barack" is the essence of concluding who the movement candidate is, not allowing the movement itself to decide.

So is it a movement or just a campaign site that wants us to believe it is not a candidate site?  I think it's the latter.


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If (0.00 / 0)
she asked you what flavor of ice cream you preferred, would you be calling out Vote Hope also? The point is, even if you think that a project like VH is relevant to a discussion about movement building, you aren't talking about movement building.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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I like chocolate... (0.00 / 0)
are you satisfied?

I think Vote Hope is not about movement building, but Obama building, and it will succeed or fail as he does.  It solicits money for Obama, not for a movement.

Understand?  That's why I think it is a ruse to say it's more about movement than candidate.


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OK (4.00 / 1)
But the thread is not about VH, it's about movement building. If you've got a better theory, then say it.  It's real easy to say something's wrong. Not so easy to come up with something that's right.

So what IS about movement building? If it's not Obama, if it's not VH, fine, christ, I don't care. What is it? Contribute something that might actually be helpful. Otherwise you might as well tell me that staring at the wall isn't movement building for all the good it does towards actually building a movement.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.


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Of course its about VH (0.00 / 0)
posting here and equating "movement" with "Obama" is part of their mission.

Pretty naive to think otherwise. The diarist is not just a member or a supporter, but their spokesperson.


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Vote Hope (0.00 / 0)
I find the idea of a separate campaign committee dedicated to helping Obama get elected very strange. Doesn't he have enough money without getting $5000 contributions to another PAC?


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Seriously (0.00 / 0)
All you can do is bitch about the candidate? You can't actually contribute something?

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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I know the post is long... (4.00 / 1)
but I tried to address the gist of what we're doing in this paragraph:

Finally, there is significance in the fact that the PAC I am working on right now is called "Vote Hope" and not "Vote Obama." We believe in the importance of building up infrastructure that is tied to the energy of candidates (including those at the local, state and regional levels), but that is long-term, and doesn't end when the campaign does. A large base of supporters can be very valuable in helping to hold candidates accountable once they are elected and begin governing. But that power diminishes without the infrastructure on a local and state level to support it. A viable candidate may always choose to focus on getting elected. It's our job to do the rest of the hard work.

The Boston Globe story helped point out that what we're doing is hard for people to grasp because it is pretty innovative.

The work of truly engaging infrequent and new voters in a state as large and diverse as California is no easy task. Exciting candidates are among the best ways to increase voter turnout and participation, because it is the most accessible aspect of our political system. We are trying to harness the energy that Obama and other candidates in this political moment are creating, and put it into developing new leaders and get more people in the habit of voting and participating in California.

Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards.


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Ok well (0.00 / 0)
How would you compare what Vote Hope is doing to say, the Dean Dozen program?

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It's very similar (0.00 / 0)
We're endorsing candidates we believe in and rooting for them, as part of a long-term effort to both elect strong candidates and increase the numbers of people participating in politics at all levels.

Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards.

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so how are you different? nt (0.00 / 0)


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But you are creating a movement... (0.00 / 0)
on behalf of a candidate because this movement is, in practical terms, open only to those who support the candidates you preselect, not to a number of candidates who advocate for the purposes of the movement.

Sorry, but I see this as just the opposite of what you say.  It's a candidate driven movement first.


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I'm glad To See This (0.00 / 0)
The work of truly engaging infrequent and new voters in a state as large and diverse as California is no easy task. Exciting candidates are among the best ways to increase voter turnout and participation, because it is the most accessible aspect of our political system. We are trying to harness the energy that Obama and other candidates in this political moment are creating, and put it into developing new leaders and get more people in the habit of voting and participating in California.

Back in 1988 there was a fair amount of talk inside the Jackson Campaign in Southern California about how this wasn't happening.  "Don't worry," we were told, "After the election, the Rainbow Coalition will really get cranked up."

Well, it never happened.

It makes all kinds of good sense to be doing this sort of parallel organizing, and I find it dispiriting that so many clueless knee-jerk objections have flooded this thread, making it hard to have the kind of productive discussion I would have hoped for.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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If you support Obama, you should be listening (4.00 / 1)
to his campaign:

"Bill Burton, Obama campaign spokesman, when asked about the effort, distanced the campaign from Vote Hope 2008, saying: "We appreciate the tremendous grass roots. But if people want to help out our campaign, we prefer they would do it directly through our campaign.""

From the Boston Globe article.

You are doing your candidate a disservice by pushing a group that is doing exactly what he is running against.


Wow (0.00 / 0)
Three straight completely useless and off-topic comments. Fantastic.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Actually very on topic (4.00 / 1)
frankly it is inappropriate for someone seemingly abusing loopholes in campaign finance law to double down on campaign contributions to be telling us all about a "movement".

This is a shady group going against the wishes of the campaign and this site should not be supporting it.


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Seriously (0.00 / 0)
You've written all of this without a complete re-evaluation of what's important in your life and how you spend your time?

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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They have (4.00 / 3)
to say that.  And honestly that is the right thing to say.  It is more efficient for people to be directly connected to the campaign and working off of their playbook.  However, they would be lying if they said that they think there will be a net loss from Vote Hope's existence.  They have to be thrilled that they have outside help in California.  The state is bloody expensive.  Even the $2 million VH is planning on spending is a drop in the bucket to what gets spent here on campaigns.  That isn't even enough to buy a week of TV saturation.

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Candidates are the excuse (4.00 / 2)
They provide people a reason to move.  What it boils down to is how well suited that candidacy is to keeping folks involved after the campaign.  I just finished DFA training over the weekend, and one thing that was driven home effectively is that campaigns are not party-building.  Campaigns are designed entirely to win and don't (shouldn't) have the time or resources to party-build along the way. But after election day, the campaign is gone and the party-building remains to be done.  Have the people excited by the campaign been excited by the potential of the party? Are they inspired to continue the broader task of transformation?

Taken more shortly, if a candidate inspires, leads, is the figurehead for, or is however involved in a movement- are the other members in it because they personally are ready to work or because they personally are ready for someone else to do the work.  In a campaign, those two mentalities rarely diverge.  But what sort of motivations are either inspired or harnessed?

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.


is party building synonymous with movement building? (0.00 / 0)


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No, but similar (0.00 / 0)
In that both must be able to exist as a mentality or lifestyle in the absense of a candidate or campaign.  Campaigns in both cases can act as accelerants, but can not be the reason.  For example, if movement-candidate X were to quit politics tomorrow, would the movement keep moving?  Perhaps the candidate and/or campaign inspires them to work harder or with more urgency, but if members of a movement are for real, they'll do it regardless.  Because it isn't about winning elections, it's about winning hearts and minds.  I know that sounds cheezy probably, but it's true. Movements are about fundamental shifts in outlook and/or behavior, and so candidates must be closer to results than causes.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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My own experience as an Edwards supporter (4.00 / 3)
I'm a chapter captain for a One Corps chapter in St. Louis. Over the past several months, we've been engaged in activities as varied as signing up eligible families for existing government health care plans, gathering energy efficient light bulbs and distributing them to low-income families, and preparing meals for the needy. Along the way, I've gotten to know lots of good people who mainly give their time to their community in a non-political fashion, and who are deeply skeptical of any political program. Now they are a little less so. At the same time, our One Corps volunteers are that much more dedicated having seen the need for the kinds of things Edwards has been proposing.

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I'd Like To See A Diary About This (0.00 / 0)
And hopefully, I'd like to see it front-paged, too.

I think Jenifer's diary is great.

I'd like to see every Democrat running for office come to see movement-building activities as an integral part of their campaign, with constant competition to see who can come up with the newest brilliant idea.

The GOP and movement conservatives have spent decades poisoning the public sphere.  We need to make reclaiming, rehabilitating and restoring it an integral part of what we do.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Good for You (0.00 / 0)
You are doing vital work and I wish you every success.

Please keep one thing in mind.

Building a movement is not an Exclusive OR process.  Some people, like me, (and you) focus their time and energy on local economic and social issues.  Others organize unions.  Others work with already organized unions. Others focus on political campaigns.

That's a GOOD Thing. 


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that's kind of the point (4.00 / 1)
At One Corps, we are doing both. Through it, activists are getting exposed to different kinds of activism that we previously had no inkling of.

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Diary! Diary! Diary! (0.00 / 0)
How can I convince you to write a Tell All diary?

;-)

 


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Yes! (0.00 / 0)
That's precisely the kind of diary I was hoping this post would spark.

Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards.

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Are you using, or getting used? (0.00 / 0)
This is definitely the best and most persuasive pro-Obama diary that I've read, but I still don't buy it in the least. I'm left asking myself: are you using the candidate? Because from where I sit, as someone who has decided that he will try and galvanize "the movement" to do everything it can to oppose a guy that I believe will be Slick Willy the sequel, it seems to me that the candidate is using you.

If you were in fact using the candidate on behalf of "the movement", instead of vice versa, wouldn't your goal be to try and turn those newly interested people on to "the movement", instead of trying to turn newly interested people onto your candidate? Maybe I'm missing a step in here, and I don't really take the whole "we're building infrastructure to hold him accountable" idea seriously (primarily because I don't think Obama has a shot at taking down Hillary, I doubt he would care about your interest group if it didn't include a lot of people who had already maxed out)

On the other hand, we're not going to bring anyone "into" the movement by staying away from the candidate's supporters, or (as in my case) sharpening our knives to go at the jugular at any of the "kool aid drinkers". As someone who is deeply committed to youth political outreach I have to say that I'm perplexed as what to do about my deep distrust and disgust associated with Obama in the face of kids who like him and who aren't old enough to remember Clinton's first campaign (really, isn't it too soon to recycle that Hope tripe?) let alone Reagan (who I can barely remember myself, as I was 3 when he was first elected, though I have subsequently studied him in detail, mostly on his "image" side- i.e. how he duped people into believing he was something he was not- something Obama seems a genius at as well)

I also think you are on morally, if not legally, shaky grounds by skirting campaign finance laws, at least from the perspective of "the movement". Does this movement not care about the role that money plays in politics? As far as I can tell it most certainly does, and in my eyes you have opened up the floodgates for future primaries (though hopefully your lack of success will give some pause).

And there is something a bit sad in your pronouncement that we should volunteer for some candidate or another even if we're not committed. What it points to is the fact that there are no other real ways to get and stay involved outside of purely party/candidate campaigns. This is sad commentary on where we are, a few short years after many of us thought we had "turned that corner" and started to push towards year-round issue and identity based political activism. Heck, maybe we are desperate enough for something to do that some of us would follow your advice.


Amazing! (0.00 / 0)
These brief glimpses "inside".

With such contempt just beneath the surface, it makes it even more amazing that the Democratic Party candidates can be so damned pleasant and charming to each other at the so-called debates.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


What Contempt? (0.00 / 0)
There are some (mostly inexperienced) rather hyper-zealous types with little to say in rapid repeater mode who try to hijack any discussion.  But there's little evidence that they represent any sort of broad constituency.

If I judged Obama by the puerile Obamaphiles here and at MyDD, I'd never give him a second thought. But I don't, because that's just ludicrously unfair.  I think Jenifer makes very good points, and while she hasn't convinced me personally, she certainly demonstates the validity of her choices.

You want to judge alternatives by their truest expression, and that's what this whole primary process should be about.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I wasn't talking about Jenifer (0.00 / 0)
And I suppose lucas o'connor may be in "rapid repeater mode".  For that matter, I may be a "hyper-zealous type" myself.

But, really, I'm here to experience this new experiment in electronic politics.  I'm here to learn, not only by reading but by probing.

Often, it seems, those probes are not well tolerated - just like those of drack26 and okamichan13. 

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Broader Picture (4.00 / 1)
Leveraging enthusiasm for a candidate to establish a on-going Progressive political organization makes damn good sense, to me.  Presidential campaigns attract people otherwise disengaged from political activity and it is foolish to waste the opportunity to get the dis-engaged interested and then active.  To use a candidate you do not support to do would be cynical in the extreme. 

And counter-productive, people can smell such manipulation a mile off.

There's nothing preventing a supporter of another candidate taking this idea and running with it.  In fact it would be better for institution building for the Progressive Movement if similar organizations were created around, and to support, other candidates such as Edwards. 

The second favorable aspect of this tactic is: Politics is quid pro quo.  Engaging in political activity for a candidate establishes a line of connection, and obligation, from a Progressive organization to a candidate -- a potential 'insider.'  The strength of this connection depends on how effective the organization was in GOTV, the election result, the political savvy of the people in the organization, & etc.  An effective GOTV effort should at least get the organization one meeting with a top-level staffer post-election.  If the organization is prepared for that meeting it gives the organization an 'in' for future meetings with the potential for influence. 

That's how politics works.  That's how you go from creebing on the internet to being a player. 

I salute Ms. Ancona and the other members of Vote Hope.


I Agree Wholehearetedly! (4.00 / 1)
We ought to be discussing how this concept works, different variations on it, experience people may have had with organizing along similar lines (trying to engage infrequent voters, reach out to youth, etc.) and related matters that go toward the end of movement-building.

The petty snipping here has been a real waste.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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