South Carolina Expectations Game

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:48


Retuning to the horserace for a moment, with the outcome of South Carolina appearing like a foregone conclusion, the Obama and Clinton camps are trying to set expectations on the result. Bill Clinton sets the tone for the Clinton campaign:

"As far as I can tell, neither Senator Obama nor Hillary have lost votes because of their race or gender," he said. "They are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender - that's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here."

In other words, when Obama wins South Carolina, it will be because of the large African-American population. This is an attempt to minimize the bounce Obama receives from South Carolina by arguing that Clinton never really had much of a chance in the state. However, there is a major problem with this line of reasoning: women will make up a larger percentage of the electorate in South Carolina than African-Americans. In 2004, according to the exit poll, African-Americans were 47% of the South Carolina Democratic primary electorate, while women were 57%. Given this, if Hillary is winning votes based on her gender, then why isn't she winning South Carolina?

For it's part, the Obama campaign is arguing that the Clinton campaign is doing whatever it can to win South Carolina, stating in a public memo that "Hillary Clinton's campaign is pulling out all the stops to win in South Carolina." The idea is to try and maximize the impact of an Obama win by making the contest in South Carolina seem like a knock-down, dragged out fight, rather than a state that Obama won because Clinton more or less ignored it. The problem with this line of reasoning is that only a couple days ago Obama said the following:

I think the South Carolina voters will have to make an assessment in terms of how seriously she's taking the state. She said last night that Bill Clinton wasn't the one running for President, but this is the next primary and he's the one who's staying behind.

Hillary Clinton isn't spending much time in the state, eh? Makes it more difficult to argue that she is pulling out all of the stops to win in South Carolina. So, this line of argument doesn't work, either. Still, it is not as though Clinton has entirely ignored the state, given that she has 29 events in South Carolina to Obama's 46 events.

Neither expectations argument holds water under closer scrutiny, which should be "expected" given that such arguments are designed to spin media coverage. Both arguments are based on kernels of truth--Obama does have something of an advantage in the state due to the large African-American population, and the Clinton campaign has invested quite a bit of resources in South Carolina--but in the end, do either really matter? The entire notion of momentum is predicated on the idea that a small, but not insignificant, number of voters in Super Tuesday states will factor the South Carolina results into their decision making process. That just didn't seem to happen after Nevada, probably because there just isn't as much build-up to, and post-election coverage of, states that follow Iowa and New Hampshire. Expectations are won not through arguments like these, but instead by getting a lot of people to tune into an election that you win. The best way to receive momentum is to make sure that a lot of people watch you win. Given the comparatively smaller build-up to the South Carolina caucuses, and given that not many people will be watching South Carolina returns late on a Saturday evening, I just don't think that there is much momentum to be had here. There will probably be more than last week, since there won't be any Republican results to share the headlines, but it still probably won't amount to much.

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Hmm (4.00 / 1)
I think the argument that the result is "expected" because black voters are supporting the black candidate is something that's going to be part of the narrative without Bill Clinton having to spell it out.  I think he'd be well-advised to steer clear of that territory altogether.

Zogby's Tracking Poll (4.00 / 1)
Zogby, who has nailed both Iowa and Nevada in his tracking polls, seems to have Edwards potentially overtaking Clinton by Saturday (he leads her in yesterday's polling alone). What are the ramifications if Edwards finishes second and Clinton third? That would create a massive change in the media narrative for the next week, with Clinton backlash stories all over the place.

Furthermore, perhaps that would give Edwards more incentive to campaign in southern states and potentially cut into Clinton's base of lower income, white voters. Meanwhile, Obama will have consolidated his African-American base and probably could pick off some of Clinton's softer support as well going forward.

All in all, would a repeat, position wise, of Iowa, be enough for Obama to pull even before February 5th, or at the very least, be within 5 points nationally? I think the latter is actually fairly likely. 

It's also interesting to note that Clinton is coming back to South Carolina today. Is her polling telling her something? Why not just keep Bill around if you're certain of finishing 2nd while downplaying expectations simultaneously.


That could be the miracle Obama needs (4.00 / 1)
Clinton finishing last in South Carolina would be a great boon for Obama. Anything that hurts Clinton helps Obama.

Edwards isn't much of a threat to Obama, but a third place finish for Clinton would create a huge anti-Clinton narrative in the media as the talking heads replay every bad moment for Clinton from the past week, trying to pin down exactly what it was that turned voters against her. Clinton finishing third after two first place finishes in NH and NV would reshape the race as "anybody's game" once again.
 


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I Hope Your Answer Is Right (0.00 / 0)
  That she is returning to S.C. because of the Edwards serge.

  I sure hope its not that her polling tells here she has a shot of pulling out a win. That would end this thing Saturday.

  I would say no way but after N.H nothing is a given


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Wolfson had indicated (0.00 / 0)
on Tuesday that Clinton would return to SC sometime Thursday.

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Latest Survey USA Poll (0.00 / 0)
shows similar movement:

Obama 45 (NC)
Clinton 29 (-7)
Edwards 22 (+8)

I think Clinton is returning to prevent any chance she gets beat by Edwards.


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This is just an honest question, but... (0.00 / 0)
...What about 2000? Bush won Iowa, and McCain was racking up victories in New Hampshire and Michigan. Then Bush won South Carolina and got a huge bounce, giving him the nomination. What made South Carolina in 2000 so special that it stopped all of McCain's momentum and gave the race to Bush?

Bush was way ahead nationally (0.00 / 0)
The South Carolina win stopped McCain's momentum. McCain never came within single digits points of Bush nationally, but he might have if he won South Carolina.

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McCain (0.00 / 0)
The closest McCain ever got in 2000 was 63-30 (which was up form 60-18).

McCain actually took the lead in SC in the aftermath of his New Hampshire victory, but faded badly.

In the end, he suffered the same fate as EVERY challenger that has one only one of the first two events: they get a bounce, but nowhere big enough to close the gap with the front runner. 

I have spent some time looking at bounces out of post-NH events since New Hampshire - and haven't really found a pattern. 

From a National Perspective, the place New Hampshire occupies is completely unique.  This is a function of the focus the media has placed on the event.  Bounces are a function of media coverage.  There is nowhere NEAR the coverage in the National Press about South Carolina.ounces this

One of the critical, and overlooked, aspects of bounces in this cycle has been the fact since New Hampshire there hasn't been a single State that was fully contested by both parties at the same time.  This has inevitably diluted media coverage. 


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Correction (0.00 / 0)
I went back and looked at the data more closely.  The closest McCain got after New Hampshire was 56-34 (CNN/USATODAY, Feb 4-6), so in the aftermath of NH he picked up 16 Nationally, and Bush lost 6 (for a total swing of 24).

Three weeks later, McCain trailed 57 - 33 (which was after he had lost SC on Feb 19, but won Ariz and Michigan on Feb 22).



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Or it will help another candidate. (0.00 / 0)
More Evidence Of An Edwards Surge In SC, is the top story on Mydd.com right now. It's got partial poll readings, from Zogby, so it may not pan out any better than earlier polls have. However Zogby did catch JRE's collapse in NV and no one else did.

There are three candidates, it's a little MSM to stick to the Obama/Clinton storyline.

If this surge doesn't pan out, then I'm just whining I know, if it does pan out and somebody else comes in third, I hope more people write about all three Candidates.

John wouldn't want it any other way.

--

The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


Unlikely to occur (4.00 / 1)
The media has been inpervious to changing the narrative they've been running since last year.

If you want a great site covering how the media covers campaigns check out this site -- journalism.org


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I think what Obama should hope to get out of S.C (0.00 / 0)
  Is the narative that we have a draw and a wide open race and Super Tuesday will determine who the front runner is.

  For this to work, Florida has to "not matter"

  If he can do that then we have 10 days of a heavy duty campaign going into Super Tuesday where voters hopefully will have open minds since nothing would have been desided yet


For Florida to "not matter" (0.00 / 0)
Will take a truly magnificent spin job from the Obama camp.

More Democrats have already voted absentee in Florida than voted absentee in the 2004 primary.  And I'll go ahead and say what goes without saying:  Florida is the #1 swing state on the general election map.

If Clinton wins by 20+ in Florida, as the polls are showing, I just can't see that not having a momentum impact during a week with no other results coming in.


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There will be other results (4.00 / 1)
The Republican primary results in Florida will overshadow the Democratic results. In fact, Clinton's Florida win might not even appear in the headlines on Florida. It could be all Republicans.

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Could be like Michigan (4.00 / 1)
Romney got good press from winning Michigan, but Clinton wasn't mentioned until the seventh paragraph. And she didn't get a bump in the polls from the uncontested race.

I can already see the media ignoring Florida. MSNBC, for example, is running ads saying that South Carolina is the last Democratic contest before Super Tuesday. They're totally ignoring Florida and will probably spend 90% of the coverage that night talking about the Republican race.


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Obama and Edwards (0.00 / 0)
weren't on the ballot in Michigan.  Florida might not get that much coverage, but expect the Clinton campaign - unless Obama finds some way to cut into her substantial lead - to remind voters in the Feb. 5th states that she won a key swing state (with lots of electoral votes) going away.  Obama really needs California (where I have already voted for him), but I don't see how he gets it with the Mayor of LA, the UFW, and Dolores Huerta against him.  Maybe a huge turnout in the SF Bay Area, but I doubt it.  The Field poll has him down by 12.  He won't get wiped out, but at the end of the day he needs to have more delegates than Clinton because the supers will fall in line behind the candidate with the most delegates (all hell will break loose if they don't uphold the choice of the voters).

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I'm still not buying it (0.00 / 0)
Everybody knows Florida is the Big Kahuna for the GE.  I just can't see Hillary's getting half a million votes and a 20-point victory in Florida as being something that doesn't even dent the national consciousness during a week of intense political tea-leaf-reading.

I would be willing to bet that the number of votes Clinton gets in Florida will exceed the total number of votes Obama has received in all caucuses and elections to date, including Florida.  Any takers?

And here's another factor: the Florida/Michigan delegate-count elephant in the room is going to be getting much larger and it will want more bananas.


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I agree (0.00 / 0)
Although I'm not sure elephants eat bananas.  Anyway, unless some kind of unforseen event changes the dynamic, after February 5th the Clinton camp will be able to point to wins in California, Florida, Michigan, New Jersey and New York.  In terms of fairly large population states, Obama will have Illinois and Georgia (if his 3point lead there stands up).  Hillary will have a delegate lead and it's unlikely that she'll give it back.  In order to overcome Clinton's built-in advantage with Democratic Party regulars, Obama had to take the first four contests or at least three of the first four (including Iowa and New Hampshire), have the wind at his back, and scare donors away from Clinton (the same could be said of Edwards). If you look at the first four contests (assuming Obama wins by 5-10 points in SC), to this point he is actually doing better than she is.  But it's not enough to overcome her strength in the upcoming states.  In retrospect, he had to win New Hampshire (just a one point victory would have done the trick).  Her firewall held (barely) and that changed everything.

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For your elephant-cuisine edification (0.00 / 0)
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To be clear (4.00 / 2)
the main reason for the jump in turnout is the ballot amendment on taxes in Florida - which most Democrats oppose. 

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The South Carolina results... (4.00 / 1)
Will be on the front page of every Sunday paper. And, yeah, papers aren't what they used to be, but they are still influential.

Further Reading

Hillary Will Win SC (0.00 / 0)
I said that Hillary would win Nevada and she did.  Hillary has come back to SC because AAs momentum is moving towards her instead of Obama.  Also, Hillary is getting the majority of caucasians.  I don't think it will be over after SC, but the narrative will be how Obama got the majority of AAs, but could not get enough caucasians to pull a victory out.  This will prove once and for all that Obama cannot beat Hillary. 

Even a broken clock is right (0.00 / 0)
twice a day.  Obama will win South Carolina.  Hillary always planned to come back to South Carolina.  She left for a few days.  She was scheduled to come back.  Everyone is acting as if she's coming back in a panic.  I think she figured she'd lose SC and that her time could be better spent solidifying her support in the West.

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