The Upcoming Contests: Polls, Delegates, Formats and More

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 06:10


Are we getting ready to vote again already? Really? Man, this never ends. Super Tuesday counting is expected to end today, so I guess we will be receiving new delegate totals every day from now through Wednesday, inclusive.

There has been very little polling for the numerous contests to take place over the next five days, but here is what little post-Iowa information we have:

  • Washington caucuses, February 9th. Starts at 4 p.m. eastern: Obama 53%--40% Clinton. Survey USA, 2.2-2/3. 78 pledged delegates are up for grabs, and both candidates are on the air and campaigning on the ground in Washington. With a caucus and a double-digit lead in the polls, Obama is heavily favored here.

  • Louisiana primary, February 9th. Polls close at 9 p.m. eastern: No polls to report, ever. What polls there are wouldn't be of any use anyway, as we saw in the primary challenge against William Jefferson in late 2006. I can report that there are 56 pledged delegates at stake, and that Jesse Jackson won here in 1988. Both candidates are campaigning on the ground and over the airwaves. Obama is once again favored. Polls close at 9 p.m. eastern.

  • Nebraska caucuses, February 9th, ends at 9:30 p.m.: Once again, no polls to report, ever. We will probably see results trickling in from Nebraska all day tomorrow, since the caucuses start as early as 11:00 a.m. eastern in some places, and end as late as 9:30 p.m. in others. Obama has dominated caucuses in Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota and North Dakota. He also won a little caucus that was held in Iowa five weeks ago. This is big time Obama territory, and Clinton is not even visiting the state. I expect another 2-1 Obama victory in pledged caucus delegates from here.

  • Virgin Islands, convention, February 9th: Beats me how the three pledged delegates will break. Expect either 2-1 Obama or 2-1 Clinton. Then again, as telephasic points out in the comments, it will probably  go 2-1 Obama, given that the island is 76% African-American.

  • Maine caucuses, February 10th, starts as early as 1 p.m. eastern: There hasn't poll a from here since April, when Clinton led 39%-22%. Of course, Clinton led everywhere back then, so who knows. No clear favorite, with 24 pledged delegates at stake. This is probably Clinton's best chance for a win this week.

  • Democrats Abroad, February 12th, already underway: The balloting for Democrats Abroad ends on February 12th, and we should know the results before any other polls close on Tuesday. Again, I wouldn't presume to guess how the seven pledged delegates at stake will divide up.

  • Maryland primary, February 12th: The only recent poll from Maryland, taken January 6th through January 9th, showed Obama well ahead, 39%-26%. 70 pledged delegates are at stake here, and Obama is favored.

  • D.C. primary, February 12th: No polls from D.C., but Obama did win the caucuses 519 to 271. I'll take that as a sign that Obama is heavily favored in this contest where 15 pledged delegates are at stake.

  • Virginia primary, February 12th: This is starting to sound like a broken record, but Obama is also heavily favored in Virginia. A newly released poll from Insider Advantage shows Obama ahead 52%-37%, and a Survey USA poll from January showed Obama ahead 59%--37%. Clinton is campaigning here, but this certainly looks like all Obama. 83 pledged delegates are at stake

Obviously, Obama looks really good over the next five days, where 360 pledged delegates are at stake, total. The goal for Clinton, I think, is to limit the damage by winning a state or two (possibly Maine or Virginia?), and keeping Obama's pledged delegate lead under 100, thus giving her the perception of an "overall" delegate lead. Currently, my latest pledged delegate count is Obama 896, Clinton 878, with 18 delegates still outstanding form Super Tuesday. In order to take a pledged delegate lead of 100 or more, Obama needs 230 of the 378 pledged delegates floating around between now and Tuesday. Unless he scores a 2-1 blowout in Washington, I doubt he will win quite that many. Still, when Obama's delegate total, even with super delegates included, becomes higher than Clinton's after February 19th, I wonder if news outlets will start to pay attention to the super delegate issue.  

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Clinton will win Maine... (0.00 / 0)
I originally was projecting it as a toss-up, because the demographics favor her heavily, although the caucus structure favors Obama.  However, one of my co-workers younger brother works with the Obama campaign (in MA) and has heard from the ME campaign that really nasty robo-calls are omnipresent, and the campaign does not feel positive at all.  I think Obama could out-organize in ME and Clinton fans could end up staying home, but I'm not sure what it will amount to.

The Virgin Islands are 76% black, and the governor has endorsed Obama.  He'll get the swing delegate, for whatever it's worth.  

Of interest is the four contests on Saturday will hit the Sunday papers (big splash), but Maine will only be reported in the Monday papers (meaning nearly invisible)  

Virginia, like Wisconsin, is a state Clinton would like to win, but I don't see how they do unless the campaign changes significantly.  The more look at Obama's projected pledged delegate lead by the contest's end (67, with him never falling behind), the more I don't see a way Clinton can win this thing without substantial questions of legitimacy by the Democratic base.  


super delegate issue (0.00 / 0)
Will news outlets start to pay attention to the super delegate issue? No, they'll likely be paying attention to the 'Obama kicking her tail' issue.  

I've seen (0.00 / 0)
A fair amount of coverage of the issue on MSNBC at least.

And from what i've seen, the pundits are saying mostly the right things - that the superdelegates should not swing the nomination away from whoever wins more popular support from the voters.

But there could and should be more coverage of it I agree.


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Thanks Chris (4.00 / 2)
these last couple days have been unbearable in regards to what will happen Saturday and Tuesday. Thanks for the rundown. You're this poll junkie's hero.  

Democrats Abroad (0.00 / 0)
Surely that seems likely to go Obama - they're going to trend highly educated and wealthy, no?

Yes (0.00 / 0)
As a former Democrat abroad, I would say this is almost certain.

Those folks know what it will look like to the rest of the world if Obama becomes the next US president.


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Thanks for the hard work (0.00 / 0)
I could easily see Obama pulling off 60+% of the delegates in such a favorable climate. This thing is going to build on itself so big victories on the 9th could affect Maine the next day and this whole package could certainly affect the Potomac primaries on the 12th.

Also, the super delegate ratio could start to change to something more favorable to Obama, meaning that 100 mark would come down to something more doable.


VA (0.00 / 0)
I am from VA and the demographics favor Obama.

Also Gov. Kaine and former governor and now Richmond mayor Doug Wilder have endorsed Obama.

What is interesting is that Anne Holton Governor Kaines wife and Lisa Colis(Gov. Warner's wife) are both heading up an organization of women for Obama.

Obama HAS THE INFRA STRUCTURE AND MORE ESTABLISHMENT types advantage over Clinton. She has not been in this type of situation before.

Also independents can vote in the primary and donot have to choose till election day.

They are most likely to go to Obama.

Both Warner and Webb have not endorsed yet.


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McCain's effect... (0.00 / 0)
McCain being the presumptive nominee on the R side may also help Obama in VA in that Independents in open primary states are now much more likely to vote in the D primary than the R one.

(Of course, he's likely to affect the race for all sorts of reasons, this being only one - so guessing at the aggregate effect is quite difficult)


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I'm a Virginian as well (0.00 / 0)
and I generally agree with you. Unless something changes soon, we're looking at an Obama victory on Tuesday. I'm going to a rally in VA Beach on Sunday evening with a bunch of friends.

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barackobama.com has delegate count at 910-882 (0.00 / 0)
Isn't that owned by MSNBC? (4.00 / 1)


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lol. you belong at mydd (4.00 / 2)
btw i quit mydd today. grant me the serenity to accept the things i cannot change....

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Obama vs. Bowers delegate counts (4.00 / 1)
I was looking at this this morning, and the Obama count is remarkably close to Chris's count. I think Obama has something like 2 states where he is getting an extra delegate compared to Chris's count, and 2 states where he is getting one less delegate. The difference is that Obama has included the 18 delegates Chris has as still outstanding, breaking 14-4 for Obama.

It is interesting that Obama seems to be pushing the pledged delegate count on his website now. Clearly, he is doing it because it favors him. Interestingly, MSNBC is reporting pledged delegates in their delegate counter, whereas CNN and the NY Times are still reporting delegate counts with superdelegates included. All MSM outlets are reporting a much larger number of outstanding pledged delegates than Chris, however. Open Left - home of the most up-to-date political news on the web!


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I know you're all trying to change super-delegate rules... (0.00 / 0)
And it's a good case - but not for this year. For this year, we're prety much locked into Chairman Dean's rules and the SD's can vote how they'd like. I do agree they can be pressured by votes in their districts and states, but the rules simply won't be changed this year. For the future, I'm wholeheartedly in favor of 100% closed curtain, democratic primaries with no SDs.

The real question will be the MI and FL re-votes - and whether they're primaries (fair) or caucuses (sickening disenfranchisement). I think it'll come down to that...


Caucus "primary" (0.00 / 0)
I heard on NPR the other day one of the "caucus" states actually runs the procedure like a primary.  I can't remember which state, but basically the State Democratic Party simply runs a primary on their own expense, and voters get secret ballots and so forth and polls can be open all day too.

I think given the difficulties in getting another primary through the state legislatures in MI and FL, this could be the best approach.  The only issue will be money, since I imagine running a more conventional caucus is cheaper for the State party.  Perhaps the DNC could fund it.


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Whatever (4.00 / 1)
We are trying to change the super delegate rules? Where is it written that the actiivst base isn't allowed to pressure super delegates to ratify  the will of the rank and file? I'd love to see that rule.

Absolutely nothing we are doing is against any "rule." And you know it.  


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'Pressure' - cool. (0.00 / 0)
I'm totally for that - that's the system that was devised for all candidates. Pressure away.

I'd be against taking their votes away when it suddenly appears those votes will hurt one candidate.

Still, I'd outlaw SD's and caucuses for the next round.


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Thanks, Chris! (4.00 / 1)
BTW...

Beats me how the three pledged delegates will break. Expect either 2-1 Obama or 2-1 Clinton.

...this was some of the most enjoyable election insight I've seen anywhere.  LOL.


New SUSA VA numbers (0.00 / 0)
just out today, sorry can't link from my phone:

O 59
C 39

:)

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