Three Waves And A Wall: 2008 And The American Future-Pt. 3

by: Paul Rosenberg

Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 20:01


The notion that history moves in cycles, or waves is an ancient one.  In this diary set, I'm looking at the coinciding impact of two waves that are part of longterm cycles, as well as a third one indicative of global transformation that's been under way for several decades now  These three waves all converge on this November's election, and in doing so, they confront a wall--the intensely fortified network of rightwing organizations and their "moderate" and "centrist" enablers.

The first part dealt with the roughly 32-40 year cycle of American Party Systems, the next part will deal with the recent wave of "post-materialist" values.  The second part dealt with the rise and fall of successive world powers--Spain, Holland, Britain, and now us--described by former GOP uber-guru Kevin Phillips in Wealth and Democracy: A Political History of the American Rich.  This part deals with the recent wave of "post-materialist" values surveyed on a worldwide basis over the past several decades by the World Values Survey, and described most fully in the work of social scientist Ronald Inglehart.

Discussion begins on the flip...

Paul Rosenberg :: Three Waves And A Wall: 2008 And The American Future-Pt. 3
The Post-Materialist Wave

Unlike the other two, the third wave in our trilogy is not the result of cyclic processes that have repeated numerous times throughout history.  But it is related to a repeated process--the transformations that come with fundamental shifts in the subsistance base, the material foundations of society--and this most recent transformation in some ways takes us back to a situation much closer to that under which humans first evolved, and lived for tens of thousands of years, before the dawn of written history.

Just as the transition from agricultural societies to industrial ones brought about the transition from traditional to modern societies, a further transition has taken place with the emergence of post-scarcity societies--both late industrial and post-industrial--that are increasingly centered on high quality goods and services.  The premier theorist of this process is Ronald Inglehart.  The wikipedia entry on post-materialism explains:

The theory of Post-materialism assumes an ongoing transformation of individuals and society which liberates them gradually from the stress of basic acquisitive or materialistic needs. In first place, the term "post-materialism" and the related concept of "the silent revolution" was made rather notorious in political and social sciences by Ronald Inglehart since the beginning of the seventies.

One of Inglehart's main assumptions is that individuals pursue various goals in hierarchical order. First, material needs like hunger or thirst have to be satisfied. If this is done, the focus will be gradually shifting to nonmaterial goods. Hence, according to Inglehart's interpretation of Maslow's hierarchy of human goals, cohorts which often experienced economic scarcities would ceteris paribus place strong priorities on economic needs or economic growth and safety needs as a strong national defense, and "law and order" (materialism). On the other hand, cohorts who have experienced high material affluence start to give high priority to values such as individual improvement, personal freedom, citizen input in government decisions, the ideal of a society based on humanism, and maintaining a clean and healthy environment.


Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs



This hypothesis would imply that a growing part of society becomes more post-materialist given long periods of material affluence. The post-material orientations acquired during socialisation should also be rather steadfast, because they are claimed to be a rather stable value-system value in contrast to more volatile political and social attitudes.


Growth of Post-Materialist Orientation



The connection to the radical/progressive politics of the 1960s should obvious.  So, too, the overtones in Barack Obama's politics and his calls for change.  What once was a novel, emergent set of values (often flippantly dismissed as being "spoiled") has now had time to establish itself as stable alternative to earlier value systems.  But the result of this stabilization process is highly ambiguous-as I will explain, shortly.

First, however, let's take a look at Inglehart's analysis of data from the World Values Survey [WVS], with which he has been deeply involved.  The WVS has produced the most extensive body of cross-national attitudinal data, in a series of waves (most recently the 2005/2006 wave) that allow longtitudinal as well as cross-national comparisons.  As explained on the WVS website, this survey has found that attitudes crossing a wide range of subjects areas are largely exlainable in terms of two fundamental values orientations:

The World Values Surveys were designed to provide a comprehensive measurement of all major areas of human concern, from religion to politics to economic and social life and two dimensions dominate the picture: (1) Traditional/ Secular-rational and (2) Survival/Self-expression values. These two dimensions explain more than 70 percent of the cross-national variance in a factor analysis of ten indicators-and each of these dimensions is strongly correlated with scores of other important orientations.

The Traditional/Secular-rational values dimension reflects the contrast between societies in which religion is very important and those in which it is not. A wide range of other orientations are closely linked with this dimension. Societies near the traditional pole emphasize the importance of parent-child ties and deference to authority, along with absolute standards and traditional family values, and reject divorce, abortion, euthanasia, and suicide. These societies have high levels of national pride, and a nationalistic outlook. Societies with secular-rational values have the opposite preferences on all of these topics.

The second major dimension of cross-cultural variation is linked with the transition from industrial society to post-industrial societies-which brings a polarization between Survival and Self-expression values. The unprecedented wealth that has accumulated in advanced societies during the past generation means that an increasing share of the population has grown up taking survival for granted. Thus, priorities have shifted from an overwhelming emphasis on economic and physical security toward an increasing emphasis on subjective well-being, self-expression and quality of life. Inglehart and Baker (2000) find evidence that orientations have shifted from Traditional toward Secular-rational values, in almost all industrial societies. But modernization, is not linear-when a society has completed industrialization and starts becoming a knowledge society, it moves in a new direction, from Survival values toward increasing emphasis on Self-expression values.

 

Using the average values for each country surveyed produces what's become known as the Inglehart Map:

This map shows that culture origins have a strong and lasting impact on the balance of values that people embrace, even while there is considerable variance within groups of countries-and, of course, among the citizens of different countries

Some Abiguous Consequences of Postmaterialism, So Far

While post-materialism brings about profound shifts in personal values, the impact on societies as a whole is often ambiguous for a variety of reasons.  Indeed, it is quite clearly one of the factors involved in what's commonly called "the culture war" in the United States.  Thinking about impacts more generally, on a worldwide level, several sources of ambiguity in impacts can be identified:

First, the number of people attaining the post-materialist state remains a minority-or at best a slight majority of even the most affluent societies. Their abilities to impact the political system are therefore significantly mediated by differences in pre-existing power structures.

Second, the  relationship of post-materialists' cultural, social and political goals and desires to others around them is by no means a simple one, particularly since they are not all of one mind, having far more agreement in terms of procedural values than substantive goals.

Third, there is a significant world-wide backlash against both some of the driving forces and some of the consequences of post-materialism, most notably, the erosion of traditional structures of authority, and ideologies that support such authority.  This backlash is far more focused than post-materialism itself, which is more a state of being than an intentional movement.

Fourth, while post-materialism signals a decline in materialism for some, it signals a form of hyper-materialism for others.  Both vegans and omnivorous gourmands of California-style international cuisine are typical post-materialist manifestations.  Bottled water, anyone?

Fifth, causally, there is a direct historical relationship between the power of labor and the emergence of post-materialism--without organized labor, a large, affluent middle class would never have emerged--that is in tension with post-materialist values that, held in isoation, under-appreciate the historical foundations of their own existence.

The combination of all these factors has contributed to a number of different hybrid responses, one of which is the rationalization of a centrist politics, seen clearly in the Clinton/Blair "Third Way" axis in the 1990s, which essentially accepted the political hegemony of the reactionary forces, and sought primarily to accessorize their bleak worldview with style, color and panache.

The weakness of this approach can be seen in how quickly the Clinton accomplishments were undone by the Bush regime, which itself came to power through a remarkably bald-faced subversions of democracy-with considerable support from the very sort of educated, post-materialist elites that ought to be most concerned about democratic participation, but who actually just couldn't be bothered.

Obama As A Post-Materialist Political Figure

While Obama shares more with the Clinton tradition than he would currently like to admit, I want to shift focus to the ways in which he clearly epitomizes a post-materilist orientation.  I want to do so in three ways:

(1) Race and Gender Equity.  Obama does not make a strong substantive appeal on either of these issues.  Rather, he-or more properly, his supporters-argue that these things just don't matter to them.  He talks about "turning the page" and his followers agree.  Race and gender are all part of the "culture wars" that they wish to put behind them.  The reality-testing of this desire will be "interesting" to say the least, should Obama get elected.

(2) Democratic participation.  Obama combines an older tradition of "good government" politics (which has often been associated with elite exclusion of the unwashed masses) with a 60s-vintage emphasis on participatory democracy.  Precisely how these two will interact and balance out is yet to be seen-particularly given the enormous amounts of cash he has raised.  But the stress on both aspects of democratic participation is a clear embodiment of post-materialist values.

(3) The environment.  Here is the area where Obama's post-materialist values most clearly and directly translate into substantive positions, and produce a clearly progressive agenda.

Kid Oakland recently linked to an post from last fall, from the environmental news blog, Gristmill, "Obama energy thoughts: Thoughts and reactions on Obama's bold new energy proposal" by David Roberts, which says, in part:

Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised -- even shocked -- at its quality. It's a deft mix of good politics and strong, substantive policy. Here are what I see as the three headlines:
  • 100% auction of cap-and-trade credits. This is a home run, a real act of standard-setting boldness (the kind that Obama always promises but rarely delivers). The green community should immediately use it to push Clinton and Edwards into making the same commitment, insuring that it's the new baseline for any cap-and-trade program.
  • Smart investment. The revenue from auctions will be considerable, up to $50 billion a year, and Obama's smart about putting it to work, dividing it between energy R&D, protections for low-income workers, and market deployment of existing clean tech.
  • A focus on efficiency. Clearly Obama gets that efficiency is the easiest route to emission reductions, and he's got a set of thoughtful, detailed initiatives to make it work.

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Much has been said about Edwards' important role in this campaign: pushing the other candidates toward stronger, more ambitious policy. You can see it at work here -- in several respects Obama's energy proposal echoes Edwards'.

However, with his promise to auction 100% of cap-and-trade credits, Obama has put himself out ahead of all the other frontrunners. He deserves the praise he'll get for it.

Roberts doesn't say the plan is perfect, but it's very good.  And I generally agree.

For example:

As for investing the auction revenue, Obama gets it absolutely right:

Some of the revenue generated by auctioning allowances will be used to support the development and deployment of clean energy, invest in energy efficiency improvements and address transition costs, including helping American workers affected by this economic transition and helping lower-income Americans afford their energy bills by expanding the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, expanding weatherization grants for low-income individuals to make their homes more energy efficient, and establishing a dedicated fund to assist low-income Americans afford higher electricity and energy bills

Note that Obama is neatly transcending the faux-controversy between Shellenberger & Nordhaus and their critics: He's putting regulation and investment on equal footing.

He's smart on investment, too -- some of it is for basic R&D, some of it for green jobs programs, and some for pushing existing technologies to market. I particularly like this:

The Clean Technologies Deployment Venture Capital Fund will be modeled on the highly-successful Central Intelligence Agency In-Q-Tel program. In-Q-Tel is a non-profit, independently-managed venture capital fund led by seasoned venture capital professionals to develop new intelligence technologies for the CIA. The first five years of In-Q-Tel funding led to 22 new technologies being used in 40 government programs.

The CTDVCF (which needs a better acronym) would be specifically designed to get technologies across the "valley of death" that separates the lab and the market. This is a creative way to spur rather than replace market incentives.

My point here is not to get into a detailed discussion of Obama's plans-so I will forgo crticisms of how it could be better.  Rather, I want to highlight the fact that when it comes to an issue that's perfectly pitched right down the center of the plate for him, Obama does know how to swing for the fences.  Which makes it all the more telling when we look at other areas and see him do things like proposing to increase the size of the Army and Marines.

Summing Up: The Obama Post-Materialist Problematic

Here is perhaps the greatest irony I see in Obama's campaign.  He is, in a sense, waging a culture war on the culture war.  "We don't want to fight those battles anymore.  We want to move on."

The first irony, of course, is that progressive boomers never wanted to fight those battles, either.  We just wanted our democracy, personal freedom, and world that worked for everyone, instead of the few, thank you very much.  Instead we got the New Right's war on the post-Middle Ages.

But the deeper irony is that he is needlessly repeating the mistake that made things so hard for us.  And he has far less excuse for it than we did.  That mistake, quite simply, is a failure to appreciate how where he stands depends on what came before.  If boomer progressives were somewhat at odds with both the Old Left, and the liberal establishment of their elders, the continuing scars of McCarthyism were credibly to blame for a good deal of the problems involved.  Yes, like any youthful movement, we were less appreciative of our elders than we should have been.  But considering how timid they had become, and largely AWOL on the issue of civil rights, there was good reason for some of that lack of appreciation.  This only got worse as George Meany actively used the power of organized labor against the growing anti-war movement, eventually allied himself with Richard Nixon, and withheld labor's endorsement of George McGovern, even though McGovern's labor record was better than previous Democratic nominees.

Now what we see in Obama is a double disconnect.  He is as disconnected from the pre-boomer materialist progressives on issues like globalization and trade as he is from post-materialist boomers on matters like anti-militarism and fighting the religious right.  These are certainly attitudes we can understand as coming from a post-materialist perspective, but they are not wise attitudes coming from a post-materialist perspective.  They represent not only a failure to learn from history, but a compounding of past mistakes.


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Interesting (4.00 / 1)
as always.

The conditions for a post-materialist society have been declining since the mid-60's.  Scarcity, and increased competition, have been the order of the day and will be until a theory comes along that provides an understanding of how to make globalization work for the working class in the industrialized countries. A while back I posted a chart from the IMF that showed the steadily increasing returns to capital at the expense of labor. It's happening everywhere.  

I have read alot on this issue - and I haven't found an answer.  All I have found is warmed over marxism - as outdated as a yugo, and neo-liberal apologists for whom the answer to everything is worker re-training.  

The reason, I think, is that the left has yet to free itself from Marxism.  Marxism has, in fact, frozen the ability of left intellectuals to come up with a program that fits the current circumstance.

It was my hope that the blogsphere would take on the intellectual challenge - but to my dissapointment I have not found many susbtantive discussions on the issue.

Right now the limitations in Obama's rhetoric are, I think, die to the larger issue that the left has yet to solve. Since we do not have a well developed understanding of globalization, our candidates often sounds weak on this issue.

Your post was interesting - as usual - and my comment is barely responsive - sorry.  


Help is on the Way! No...not Kerry..... (4.00 / 1)
Read this:

The Origin of Wealth by Eric Beinhocker

and then there's a mass of new stuff out there being created by those who see what you and Paul and I see and happen to be 'Economists'....well, they're actually 'Complexity Economists...' and solutions are not in clear yet but our knowledge of, and ability to influence economics are about to take quantum leap upward.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Gimme A Link! (4.00 / 1)
Sorry to say I didn't the IMF chart.  Could you post a link?

As for what you say about Marxism, I'm not so sure I agree, since Marx was never much of a force in the mainstream US left.

What's happened since the 1960s, rather, is an overt abandonment of Keynes, at the same time that he has been de facto embraced by the right--in the twin forms of deficit-producing tax cuts and military spending.

By using/while denying Keynes and claiming to be following "free market" ideology on the one hand, and denouncing Keynes (in the form of social spending) as Marx on the other, the right has effectively rendered one of the main pillars of progressive econoimic thought virtually invisible--to a cohort of mostly post-materiaists who lack the sort of burning passion to understand economics that working class movements traditionally cannot afford to be without.  

That is, I think, an elegant formulation, ensconsed in a run-on sentence though it may be.  We can now debate whether it is actually true.

Also making a comeback is Pigout, in the form of externalities--particularly environmental ones.  But even beyond that is the perspective of embedding economics within  larger context--such as ecosystem services approach.

All of which is to say that I don't think there is a silver bullet out there, but there are a growing number of counternarratives to pose against market fundamentalism.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The point I would make here is... (0.00 / 0)

..........that according to the latest economic theory, see the book link elsewhere, clearly shows that 'market fundamentalism...' is totally wrong. It reflects no reality, but rather the shortcomings of the deficient mathematical tools economists have been using since Pareto and Smith and.....

Complexity Economics proves using the classic scientific methodology that the 'free market....' does not and cannot exist.

This is truly an earthshaking concept yet a couple of hours with this book will convince you.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Well, One Reason There Aren't Any Keynsians Anymore (4.00 / 1)
Is that they became post-Keynsians.  And there are significant parallels between post-Keynsianism and complexity economics.  Both are nonlinear in concept, and reject the usefulness of standard economic models.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Naive waif that I am I was struck by the fact that.... (0.00 / 0)
.........Traditional Economists have, since they appropriarted it, been attempting to use the mathematics of Newton to create a working theory of economics.

For me this suddenly put the 'conventional wisdom' economics, what little I know, in a new light. If you are using linear equations and trying to adjust the boundary conditions, that would be 'homo economicus', you are doomed to failure.

The universe is proven to be non-linear and linear attempts to understand it are futile.

We Physicists discovered this some considarble time ago. That economists are still trying to make do with linear analysis really calls into question their claim to be 'scientists'.

All those flat-taxers, 'free-market' gurus, and Reaganite folks asserting tax-cuts will pay for themselves are like Flatlanders trying to understand a three-dimensional world.

They do, I have observed, have one great facility however....

The power to believe! To believe in the face of the facts that growth is stimulated by tax cuts.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...............

Sounds familiar somehow.

That 'believing' part anyway. That was one thing that united the Republicans. The Theocons believed in their vengful and violent 'god'. The NeoCons believed in the almighty power of the U.S. military and the Libertarians believed in that old stand by...

The 'Free Lunch'.

I predict the word 'believe' is about to suffer a loss in popularity.

Especially if Senator 'Believe-in-Me' gets to be Preznint.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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I Tried To HaveThis Conversation With An Econ Prof > 30 Years Ago (0.00 / 0)
I was a pre-calculus TA dealing mostly with econ students who had somehow thought the profs were joking when they said that calculus was required for an econ degree.

And I really didn't know what was worse--the fact that these kids didn't even know precalculus while doing most of their econ coursework, or the fact that calculus was supposed to give them everything they needed.

There were two econ profs (it was a small college), one of whom had done in-the-field developmental economics, and had become rather skeptical, the other who was bright-eyed and bushy-tailed (but, on the plus side was fun to play pinball with, specially since I usually won tho we were fairly closely matched).

The bushy-tailed one just didn't seem to get it.  I would tell him, "Look, this is 17th, 18th century mathematics, how advanced do you think it can be?  I mean, it's damn good 18th century mathematics, but still..."

I tried to talk to him about how living systems weren't at equilibrium, that they were far-from-equilibrium dissipative structures, and he just looked at me like I was from Mars, or Venus, or one of the Alphane moons.

That was over 30 years ago.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Explains a lot about what's been going on... (0.00 / 0)

....with our 'economic advisors' to the Preznint. Kinda like the Greeks rooting around in dead birds livers looking for what's gonna happen next week.

On the plus side, think of the changes we could see in our society if some of the 'Complexity' guys got some influence. If their theory starts to bear some practical fruit; as theories are apt to do.

Kinda like these guys:

http://www.sciam.com/article.c...

I've been starting my own mini-campaign which states,

'We have solutions for every problem we face sitting in some lab somewhere gathering dust because your politicians can't be bothered, or have been paid not, to do their job.'

I think there's a great deal of truth in my assertion.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Here is the diagram (4.00 / 1)
Note the bottom left which shows the declining share of national income going to labor.  Notice two inflections: one after WW2 and the other in the 60's which show the triumph of Labor Unions and Keynesian accomidation with capitalism.  The bottom right shows all of the industrialized countries - and the trend of increasing returns to capital.  



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Great! (0.00 / 0)
And a link to where you got this?


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Sheesh that's a big one! (0.00 / 0)
Bookmarked if for later.

Somehow I don't think I'm gonna like the ending although there were a few hints of some surprises to come in the early reading.....

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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Those last three paras are killer.... (0.00 / 0)
Right on the money Paul. And...

...don't expect to get any kudos from Obama supporters. They neither know nor care what happened 'back in the day....' In those long lost days we, radicals...that's what we called ourselves...'boomers' is some Madison Avenue bullshit cooked up to sell compilations of 70s Soul, were aware of the history of the progressive movement in AmeriKKKa. Our professors taught that to us.

What we weren't prepared for was to be rejected wholesale, ideas...dreams...principles...imagery, by the majority of AmeriKKKa. We underestimated the power of fear which Nixon and his henchmen used to such good effect to destroy McGovern, a true WWII war hero by the way, and they destroyed our movement as they started the long disassembly of any hint of egalitiarianism in our economy. Labor was led by ignorant old fools who thought, as many do today, that the bosses would look out for them. After all is that not what Jesus taught?

A 'compounding of past mistakes...' indeed.

What did Santayana say?

He was and is right and, no, I'm not quoting him. If you don't know you might ask yourself.....

Why not?

Before I bow out here I'd like to recommend those interested and concerned with Global Warming rad my post on a solution to same here:

http://takeaction.wordpress.co...

I wrapped it in a corn-dog covering of rant about our great 'leadership' but do clik thru and read the excellent scheme the Editors of Scientific American have proposed.

One wonders why we hear nothing of solutions to the big problems. They exist as my post and link demonstrate.

Barrack?

Hillary?

.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Oh....dang.... (0.00 / 0)
....got all maudlin about the 60s and forgot that your 'map' of culture reminds me of one found in this book: The Origin of Wealth by Eric Beinhocker where the X-axis is 'trust' ans measured by social scientists vs the Y-Axis which was economic 'prosperity'.

The results were quite different from what one would expect. Cultures who 'trusted' too much and which had strong extended family ties did poorly economically.

More about why later....

Or you can get the book from Stoller; he recommended it some time ago. A truly fascinating read.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


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There's something missing, though (0.00 / 0)
I can't help but notice that this post begins by talking about the major historical changes occurring in the industrialized world -- and then ends by talking about what did or did not happen in the Sixties and how Obama is misguided and flawed for not paying enough attention to it.

If the world keeps changing ever more rapidly and has changed dramatically even since the Sixties, then how are we supposed to find new answers to our new challenges by revisiting the Sixties?  Is discussing George Meany and George McGovern supposed to help us achieve universal health care, energy independence, a more equitable tax structure, or a way to increase real wages in a post-industrial globalized economy?  The world is changing and moving forward, so we're supposed to look backward?  Color me confused.

All movements are somewhat patricidal.  It's part of what makes them movements.  (Video killed the radio star, etc.)  But nostalgia doesn't work any better as a guiding principle.  I think that the current progressive movement has already done a fully sufficient job of determining The Lessons of History when it comes to the Sixties and the culture war:

-- Don't get defensive and start howling that you're being victimized and oppressed; fight back, hard
-- Don't assume that we're right and ought to win just because we have better policies and the facts are on our side: get some wealthy benefactors on board and build a set of institutions and messengers to counter theirs
-- Find common ground within the coalition and keep everyone together rather than tearing one another apart
-- Frame the issues intelligently, because language and rhetoric count just as much (if not more) than policy does
-- Winning in court is great, but popular majorities are better, and having both is better still
-- Never get involved in a land war in Asia (although it's evidently taken us two tries to learn this one)

These are the Lessons of History.  The rest is just, well, history.

This is not to say that Obama has somehow found an answer to the question of what America needs to do to succeed in a globalized, post-materialist world -- or to the question of what the essence of 21st century progressivism ought to be.  But the rest of us haven't found those answers yet either -- and they're not somehow lurking in 1968.


Color Me Confused! (0.00 / 0)
First you say "Don't Look Back!"

Then you say, "Here's what I saw by looking back."

Which is it?

Oh, now I get it!  "Here's what I saw by looking back, that's all there is to know.  Trust me."

Riiiiiight!

Okay, seriously, now.  It does no good to toss around generalities like "All movements are somewhat patricidal," as a way of avoiding responding to a specific historical argument.  That sort of "argument" is what you'll find on cable tv or even rightwing blogs.  What's required is that you first respond to the specific argument presented.  Or, if you lead with the generality, that you do so knowing that it's a rhetorical lead-in to presenting a specific argument.

By not engaging with me in this way, you are simply generating variants of the "Obama is God" meme, and I gotta tell you, it doesn't matter what value you assign to X, but "X is God" just doesn't fly with me.

The point of studying history is to learn from it.  This is both incredibly easy, and very, very hard.  It's impossible not to learn from history.  But learning the right lessons when it comes to the complexity of how all the little lessons combine together--well, that's the hard part.  And one of the ways we have of doing the hard part is to be really honest and rigorous in arguing with one another over it.

And part of that, quite naturally, is comparing different aspects and different periods of the past with one another--and with our current conditions.  

Which is why there's a fundamental misconception in your question:

If the world keeps changing ever more rapidly and has changed dramatically even since the Sixties, then how are we supposed to find new answers to our new challenges by revisiting the Sixties?

The answer to that question is, "You don't."  Revisiting the 60s, and the 30s, and even the 1860s and the 1830s are all just different input streams.  By themselves, none of the input streams gives you the new answers to our new challenges.  They give you pieces of the puzzle that you need to put together.

And here's the thing--that fact that things happened more slowly then is a benefit, just as slowing down a game tape to study it is a benefit.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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As usual Paul has a great post. (4.00 / 1)
I like to place the 60s in perspective. Doing that allowed me to see that we mostly got our butt kicked from McGovern forward. Your well-said lessons in history came out of the loses from the 60s.

I was in a friend's office the other day. He'd given it over to an Obama team and when I saw an age-mix of older and younger working I realized that I see Obama and now my run for Congress as finally a chance at winning the war we started back in the 60s. We have the energy and idealism of youth combined with the experience of age coming together to create a formidable team to take on those who don't give a damn if 1 million families lose their homes to foreclosure as long as they get their bonuses.

We learned all the lessons and more. We learned that we can't leave governing to those with the narrow agendas of power and money. As you say we no longer think that being right guarantees winning. It's not over by a long shot but we have re-grouped and at least now have not only a fighting chance we have a damn good chance to match being right with the power to make things happen. We have a force that now matches and ultimately will exceed the power of the wall that the Right has erected to keep us out.

Obama is not making this happen; the people who support him are the real reason this is building now. Obama is new and mostly untainted by the past. His record is good; not perfect but a damn sight better than most. He says all the right things. This will allow the millions of others to channel their energy and passion and help create a society that we want rather than one given to us by those who clearly do not have our interests in mind.

Peter Finch is not alone - "I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking it any more".


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A few comments in too few minutes (0.00 / 0)
First a question.  Could you clarify more specifically what you mean when you say:

[Obama] is as disconnected from the pre-boomer materialist progressives on issues like globalization and trade as he is from post-materialist boomers on matters like anti-militarism and fighting the religious right.

Once again I couldn't follow the jump from your analysis to these conclusions, though maybe you'd covered this ground more specifically in prior posts.

Second, I agree with your suggestion that economic analyses that encompass externalities and "embedding economics within larger context--such as ecosystem services approach" can provide counternarratives--as well theoretical underpinnings--for alternatives to market fundamentalism.

Related to this is my still-mainly-intuitive sense--and this ties back to David Roberts' (and your own) comments re: Obama's energy proposals--that a sound energy/ecology policy is a key leverage point for addressing many of our other problems, including trade and military/foreign policy.  In a somewhat different but related way, I have the same sense about communication technology/Internet policy.

Though I don't have time or space to get into the details of this here (but have commented on Obama's comm-tech policies before), the underlying point relevant to this discussion is that by being pretty close to the mark on these two technology/industry sectors, which I'd argue are both inherently "transformative" and "high-leverage" (especially when pursued in tandem), these elements of Obama's policy proposals provide fundamental enabling/building blocks for a broader and more systemic shift in progressive directions.  I'd also suggest that any candidate that's "wrong" on these two pivotally enabling policy areas will be seriously hobbled in their attempts to pursue other progressive policies which they may appear to have gotten "right" (at least in theory and policy paper).

A third point relates to Maslowe's hierarchy of needs.  While I haven't studied this stuff much since college many years ago (the only paper I took seriously while an undergrad was on self-actualization in a psych of religion class), there's a dynamic that may not be included in Maslowe's conceptualization, and which I believe is at work in the world today (and has always been, but typically on a very small scale).  This relates in some ways to the above discussion of ecology/communication systems and policies.

The element that Maslowe may be missing is associated with things like meditation that allow virtually anyone (who is motivated) to experience something that could be called "inner peace."  Based on extensive anecdotal observation of individuals from all over the world, I'd suggest that this form of "self-realization" can be and has been experienced independent of one's material status.  

Admittedly, it is generally easier to focus on fulfilling this need (some would use the word "spiritual" for lack of a better one) when one is not starving, but generally (and, in many cases, even including such acute conditions) its pursuit and achievement is independent of material conditions.  In fact, a case can be made that material abundance, if misunderstood and pursued for something it cannot provide, simply creates more distraction from actually recognizing and satisfying this need (Jesus seemed to be focused on this kind of theme in much of what he said).

Again, based mainly on my own experience and observation, plus a handful of readings, my observation is that this "inner-peace" element of self-actualization serves as a general "tonic" for what ails human psyches, with tonifying and balancing impacts on the emotions, cognitive processes and biological systems.  It does not negate the dynamics in Maslowe's hierarchy, it simply allows that progression to take place with less angst, fear, confusion and destructiveness (of self and others).

One aspect of history that's particularly interesting to me might be called spiritual history.  As I read that rather sketchy historical record (and I've admittedly only skimmed it), it consists of relatively "enlightened" individuals (some would say "absolutely enlightened", but I won't go there for lack of sufficient evidence or expertise), usually relatively scattered in time and geography over the millenia.  Generally, they were able to share their message and whatever techniques, insights, etc. they could pass on to others, with only hundreds, perhaps thousands of individuals before they passed on.

Today, thanks to digital technology and most especially, the global Internet, similarly enlightened individuals, though still probably relative few and far between, can reach out and assist literally millions of others, or at least whatever numbers are interested in learning and experiencing more about the inner experience that lies at the core of this "spiritual" thread of human history.

As decentralized/renewable energy systems are linked to decentralized, low-cost, low-power, high-bandwidth Internet connectivity (and appropriate end-user devices), it becomes increasingly practical to connect humans in all types of material conditions (assuming costs are low enough and availability is high enough) to teachings and techniques that can help them experience this inner-peace on an increasingly regular and deep basis.

I recently read parts of Muhammad Yunus' (founder of the Grameen Bank, which pioneered microcredit) new book, "Creating a World without Poverty."  In it, he discussed his concept of "social business."  I see this as another key conceptual and practical building block for a viable alternative to market fundamentalism.  

One of the things Yunus emphasizes in the book is the value of telecommunications--both basic network connectivity and end-user devices suitable to the different cultures, environments and needs around the world, especially in developing countries.  

To some, his vision might sound totally unrealistic, but this is a guy who has already created something truly amazing and deeply inspiring that most people would have said was impossible before it became a reality.  And it is helping many, many individuals who are becoming increasingly self-sufficient and helping others in their communities do the same.  

Yunus' vision, at least as I understand it, is very close to my own, in terms of its focus on decentralized, locally-empowered economic, ecological and communication systems, backed by a vision of human beings that extends much farther and deeper than the "optimizing decisionmakers" found in traditional economic theories and the policies they're used to justify.

In fact, I'd suggest that the combination of the "inner-fulfillment independent of material condition" that I discussed above, and what I might call Yunus' "decentralized, networked and empowered 'social businesses'" provide a practical foundation for the general policy goal Paul has described as "dignity and security for all,"--or what others have referred to as having two healthy legs of equal length--the material and the spiritual--to allow humanity to "progress" forward without falling into the ditch (yet again).

Having spewed this out quickly, I'm sure it sounds disjointed at best and perhaps quite loony or lame to some.  Perhaps in some diary post here or somewhere else I'll be able to address the former shortcoming.  The latter is expected to some degree, though I'll do what I can to minimize its scope.


Disjointed, Perhaps, But Generally Sensible (0.00 / 0)
Hey, it's late, and I'm pretty disjointed myself, so who am I to complain?

However, I don't think Maslow was overlooking meditation or inner peace.  He was providing an empirical map of how needs naturally emerge in sequence on average across the great mass of people.  And I think what meditative practices teach us is that applied will power and habit development can modify that, which I doubt would surprise Maslow at all.

This does not, however, negate the value of directing attention the way you do, so I'm not trying to diss what your saying.  In fact, I quite agree with what I take to be the underlying point--that we're generally much less efficient at meeting our basic needs than we need be.

I am also a big fan of universal connectivity.  Less commuting, more telecommuting, I always say.  (I worked as a contract programmer at Parsons engineering in the early 1990s, and tried repeatedly to get them to let me telecommute, even just twice a week.  They thought I was crazy. And I thought, "Hey, you guys call yourselves one of the world's leading engineering firms.  What gives?") Not just to the office, but to everywhere.  When you travel, it should be a rich, sensuous experience, not a mad dash.

I've had a rather long day, and I'm none too coherent myself, so I'm not going to try to say much more, except to address your initial question. It wasn't a carefully developed argument, but rather an indication of a pattern, part of which I've written about elsewhere.  Now that I look at it through your eyes, I think it's probably worth a diary to put into more rigorous shape.

But until then, I'll just say that the inutitive basis of this is simply that I find Obama seriously lacking in historical understanding--and it shows in his throway comments about "1970's style anti-military love-ins" and the like.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Sounds like (4.00 / 1)
we were in a similar state last night, one that's all too common for me these days.

I think part of the disconnect in our perceptions re: Obama is that your more historically-grounded perspective tends to filter his statements, actions (and non-statements and non-actions) differently than my own, plus the fact that some of your conclusions are grounded in your vast storehouse of political/historical analysis, while my filters and reference points are different (at least in emphasis) and my historical knowledge quite sketchy.  I think in this particular post the linkages that may be obvious to you were not made explicit enough for me to follow and respond to in terms of the substance.  On the other hand, this lack of understanding that aspect of your post gave me more time to elaborate on my initial responses to other aspects of your post, which led to some connections I'd never as consciously made before.

While I may see Obama differently than you (and sometimes a get a big frustrated over the differences ;-), my overall sense is that your ongoing critiques, suggestions, challenges and prodding is a valuable part of what I'd hope would be a strong and sustained wave of citizen-based input/pressure that, if he was elected, his administration would have to deal with.  

Right now I'm more focused on seeing him elected, because I think that, of the choices, he appears most likely to respond to that input in a relatively positive, welcoming, creative and constructive manner.  In that respect, I see your series of Obama-referencing posts as very valuable source material for mobilizing that citizen input and pressure if he gets elected.


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