Hawaii Results--Another Huge Obama Caucus Victory

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 00:30


Just in case you are still up, 20 pledged delegates are at stake out in an oasis in the Pacific. The voting begun at 1 a.m. eastern time, and might not finish until 4 a.m. There does not seem to be an entrance poll yet, but perhaps there will be one later. Also, it might be a while before results come in:

The voting in the caucuses will begin at 7 p.m. (11 p.m. CST) and continue as long as there is a consistent influx of participants, according to Stuart McKinley, party communications director.

Ooooo boy. This could take a while. There is no way I can stay up until 4 a.m. tonight. I will see you in the morning.

Update: Another huge victory for Obama in a caucus, 76%-24%. Delegate division will probably be 15-5.

Update 2: The delegate split appears to be 14-6.

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can't sleep (0.00 / 0)
May as wait to see how it went.  Some reports on dailykos say big Obama turnout, which what I'd expect.
 

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.
Dude -- feel free to go to bed... (4.00 / 2)
If we can't handle waiting until tomorrow morning, we can find the results elsewhere as they come in.  Take care of yourself.  
Yeah, its like Christmas (0.00 / 0)
Santa won't come until your asleep.

But while you are up and since it is just the two of us here, why does Open Left load so much slower than other sites -- or is it some setting on my computer?

John McCain doesn't care about Vets.


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Americablog is the slowest (0.00 / 0)
No problem for me on this site.

John McCain won't insure children
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I think it's the video wall (0.00 / 0)
If you find it to be a burden, I suggest firefox and the NoScript extension.  

I blog on InnermostParts.org
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It must be some filter or something on my computer (0.00 / 0)
That's why I asked to see if was just me because for me it is like dial up.

The content is worth the wait.

John McCain doesn't care about Vets.


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Use Firefox its free and so much netter. (0.00 / 0)
And it isnt the main vector for viruses like IE

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
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Explain (0.00 / 0)
Someone explain to me WHY washington ran a caucus and a primary?  What sense does that make?
Why does anyone do anything? (4.00 / 3)
Or is that too abstract and philosophical a response?
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Because the Republican Secretary of State... (4.00 / 1)
Decided to waste millions of taxpayer dollars on a beauty contest.

Further Reading
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I'm not from there (0.00 / 0)
but if you google Washington primary it seems that the parties and the state government have been fighting over primaries for years, including a court case where a law imposing a particular system was thrown out.  It seems bizarre, but it seems to me that the state party thinks the government is (was?) interfering in party business.

Anyway, it certainly is very undesirable.



New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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The primary (4.00 / 3)
is mandated by law, but the Democratic party didn't want to do it, so they turned it into a beauty contest.

Now Texas, on the other hand, has rules designed to drive ordinary mortals insane.

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I may be slandering good people -- (0.00 / 0)
I don't know the answer, but it is probably for the same reasons that the Party set up superdelegates. Fear of the insurgent. Every political party has people with some small amounts of responsibility that think everyone who doesn't is a rank amateur who will only screw things up.

Part of the humour is that when the meetings happened to figure out how to deal with insurgents, they were already inside with the old guard, but they worked together to keep the next insurgents at bay.

This is no closer to the mark than Bower's answer but it chews almost like meat.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky

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Here is why: (4.00 / 2)
we used to have a primary that a large bulk of the population loved. It was a truly open primary in that there was only one ballot and nobody had to declare anything about party affiliation to vote.

The problem, of course, was the both the Rs and the Ds hated it and had experienced dirty trick kind of cross-over voting. So they sued the state. The case went all the way to the Untied States Supreme Court, and the parties won. The Supremes held that the completely open primary violated the parties' 1st Amendment right to association.

As such, the legistlature was left to try and figure out what to do. There were several aborted attempts, including a bill or initiative (I forget which) instituting a Louisiana style "top two" primary system. But that went by the wayside with the Court's ruling.

Meanwhile, the parties just moved on. The Democrats decided all of the delegates would be determined by caucus, and the Rs have a blended system where part are allocated by caucus and the rest by primary.

Meanwhile, the State keeps the democratic primary on the ballot even though it is completely and utterly worthless.

I can tell you, I voted today, about 20 minutes before the polls closed, and there were a grand total of 14 people who signed in to vote in my precinct (and that's a combination of both Rs and Ds). Meanwhile my precicnt had 74 people show up for the democratic caucus.

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Call it what you want (0.00 / 0)
It's over for Hillary. Obama has eaten into most of her constituency and with this momentum, Obama is in a good position to win Texas and possibly win Ohio too.

I am calling the nomination for Obama today.

Mark Penn can finally get a real job: Sell and eat burgers

ARG is a team of blindfolded monkeys on crack throwing feces at a number chart.Looks like the monkeys hit Clinton's numbers today. MB

Is anyone actually covering HI? (0.00 / 0)
MSNBC and CNN seem to be on loop now (and I dare not check Fox).  Is anyone actually covering the HI caucus?
Results from one caucus (0.00 / 0)
Oh Hana, Maui, a poster on dkos says that the caucus he was just at had 145 total votes.  Obama 125, Clinton 20.

If Hawaii does standard caucus rules, that means she didn't hit the 15% required for viability and Obama got all of the delegates from that one.  Ouch.

inevitable? (0.00 / 0)
What happens to the inevitable candidate??? She can't even reach the 15% threshold??? I hope Obama blows her over too.

My Hawaii prediction

65% Obama

35% Hillary

ARG is a team of blindfolded monkeys on crack throwing feces at a number chart.Looks like the monkeys hit Clinton's numbers today. MB

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I should have bet the over! (0.00 / 0)
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Still up (0.00 / 0)
just got back from the Seattle Drinking Liberally where I very briefly met Matt. He was nice. More importantly, the beer was good.
I am hearing (0.00 / 0)
over at Dkos that turnout in Hawaii is quite high that's why it's taken so long to get any actual results

ARG is a team of blindfolded monkeys on crack throwing feces at a number chart.Looks like the monkeys hit Clinton's numbers today. MB
Long lines on Oahu (0.00 / 0)
Just voted in Honolulu, in a district near Waikiki.  Totally overflowed with people, 2+ hours waiting in line, ran out of ballots.

heard from a maui precinct that went 200-50 obama/clinton.

Aloha (0.00 / 0)
I was there staying with a friend of mine when she lived there 10 months ago.  You are one lucky dude.

Two questions:  

1.  Where do people vote there?  I mean, I don't remember there being a lot of large places to hold these caucuses?

2. Do they put crack in the pookie?  I'm still fending for it to this day.


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just normal voting places like any place else (0.00 / 0)
We voted at an elementary school on the edge of waikiki. Saw Senator Inouye voting there too, which was a surprise.  Word is that there were over 4,000 people at this one site, which was about how many people voted in the 2004 Hawaii caucus statewide.

That said, it might be a bit messy getting an exact tally given the overwhelming turnouts, handwritten ballots, etc.  

We'll see tomorrow.  junkies can check out a few good blogs at the honolulu advertiser site.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser....

btw, yes, poke would be very hard to live without...  come on back!

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get some rest (0.00 / 0)
Chris, I hope you don't have "that Flu that's going around."

Lots of vitamin C, lots of fluids.
We need you in good health for March 4th!

vodamusic.com

It appears Obama has plagiarized his first eight wins . . (0.00 / 0)
TWICE!

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
actually (0.00 / 0)
obama has accused the clinton campaign of plagiarizing mitt romney's approach to winning.
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Clinton is (0.00 / 0)
obviously plagiarizing Rudy's campaign strategy.

vodamusic.com
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8% Reporting Hawai'i (0.00 / 0)
Obama       77%
Clinton     23%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20...

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky

CNN has seeekrit messages!!! (0.00 / 0)


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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
To be fair - - (0.00 / 0)
I checked the Hawai'i D3emocrtatic party site:
http://www.hawaiidemocrats.org...
And they show HRC getting 666 votes too, but it will change I'm sure.

Preliminary partial results of the Hawai'i Presidential Preference Poll :

With less than 10% of precincts reporting, total ballots cast are reported as follows:

Barack Obama 2,258
Hillary Clinton  666
Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards received votes falling far short of the 15% required to be allocated a delegate.

Notice:  Next preliminary partial result to be posted shortly after live announcement at 10:00 p.m. HST



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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
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CNN finally calls it (0.00 / 0)
With 51% reporting:

Obama 11,691 (76%)
Clinton 3,584 (23%)

Most important thing: Media narrative (4.00 / 1)
The jet lag is preventing me from getting more than 4 hours of sleep, and wondering about Hawaii stopped me from trying... so:

Obama leads Hawaii 76% to Hillary's 24%, with 68% of the results in.

CNN has effectively stopped talking about HRC this morning and shifted its focus to the Obama-McCain race. There is a good chance that soon (later today), Clinton will be regarded as just another Huckabee by most pundits.

BIG DIFFERENCE (4.00 / 3)
Between Clinton and Huckabee.  Clinton is losing by much larger margins than Huckabee is.  
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Hawaii blowout in perspective (4.00 / 1)
Amazingly Obama nets the same # of delegates from his Hawaii (pop. 1.3M) win (+8 delegates) than Clinton nets (+8) from winning both Arizona (pop. 6.3M) and New Mexico (pop. 1.6M). The Clinton campaign is really, really bad at keeping Obama's winning margins low. Really, really, REALLY bad.

John McCain
Chris, when you are feeling better, would you mind (4.00 / 1)
explaining this comment further:

"Also, there is once again basically no ideological gap, which I think partially expresses the frustration that some of us movement progressives have with the campaign so far."

thanks in advance.

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