Lichtenstein counts!!! (0.00 / 0)

Breakdown is 2.5 Obama, 2 Clinton, 2.5 to be determined.

Link.

By my count, Clinton won 17 countries or territories, and Obama won 147.

The 17 are Yemen, Somalia, Sierra Leone, Reunion, Malta, Lichtenstein, Libya, Liberia, Ghana, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Israel, Turkmenistan, New Caledonia, Philippines, Dominca, and the Domincan Republic.  If I read that itty bitty font correctly.

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by: dreaminonempty @ Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 15:25:25 PM UTC

Right. (0.00 / 0)

You're right about the delegate counts.

Unfortunately, we won't know who has earned the last 2.5 pledged delegate-equivalents until April 12--guh. As I understand it (see, e.g., this), those last 2.5 PDEs will be decided at the April 12 Global Convention--by a poll of five pledged Obama supporters, four pledged Clinton supporters (those numbers are the result of the primary results announced today), and eight superdelegates.

Depending upon how the eight supers break in that vote, the last 2.5 PDEs could end up anywhere from 2.0 Obama-0.5 Clinton to vice versa.

There's clearly no guarantee that Obama will get the same majority of delegates that he got of the popular vote.

And man, this whole process (I don't just mean Dems Abroad) is slow.

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by: Rieux @ Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 17:25:31 PM UTC

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Let's Get Real (0.00 / 0)

Senator Obama only wins in elections that are contested.

Yeah, but this just goes to show that Obama only wins in states that hold contested elections. Sure, he wins big in caucus states, he wins big in primary states, he wins big when turnout is low, and he wins big with record-high turnout. But what the Obama-worshipping media is overlooking is that in each of the 25 state contests Obama has won so far, his name appeared on the ballot. It's time to stop giving Obama a pass on this critical issue.

Remember, if Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination, Barack Obama's name will not be on the ballot in November. And only Hillary Clinton has demonstrated that she can win when Obama's name is not on the ballot. In fact, she's undefeated in contests where Obama is not on the ballot, making her clearly the more electable general-election candidate.

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by: eloy @ Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 15:36:15 PM UTC

Better. (4.00 / 1)

It is hard to imagine how the last two weeks could have gone better for him.  

Clinton could've dropped out.  

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by: bluethunder @ Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 15:50:48 PM UTC

The importance of Dems Abroad (0.00 / 0)

may not be in delegate counts.  But when Americans living in other countries around the world make a clear choice for president, it speaks to what they think about the candidates' foreign policies.

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by: satya @ Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 16:05:30 PM UTC

From a Democrat Abroad in Italy (0.00 / 0)

I worked the polls at the Florence primary on Super Tuesday evening, and Barack Obama pulled an overwhelming 70% to Hillary Clinton's 27. At the time, everyone in the room was stunned - this was prior to Super Tuesday being over and the news of Obama's sails taking the wind.

It was a great night - and we registered hundreds of new Democrats Abroad alongside the vote!

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by: tdmthomas @ Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 16:27:23 PM UTC

Those 35 delegates are the magic number (0.00 / 0)

If Obama can close the 35 delegate gap that occurs when Michigan gets included, then I don't see how he loses the nomination. Once he can claim a pledged delegate lead even if Clinton succeeds in seating Flordia and Michigan, what possible argument would keep superdelegates from moving to Obama in large numbers? At that point he would be the undisputed pledged delegate leader and also the winner, often by enormous margins, of the vast majority of both primaries and caucuses.

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by: Alex Stone-Tharp @ Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 16:58:05 PM UTC

He already is the undisputed leader in pledged delegates (0.00 / 0)

According to CNN, Obama leads by 142 pledged delegates.  If you seat MI/FL it narrows that by 105.  But that's still a lead of 37.

So it's only if you include MI/FL and the announced supers that Clinton is ahead by 36.  And that assumes nobody in MI wanted to vote for Obama.

If Obama manages to gain a bigger lead in pledged delegates on the 4th, the supers will break his way and it's over.

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by: jello5929 @ Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 18:04:12 PM UTC

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