The Issue That Could Decide the Democratic Nomination - And the General Election

by: David Sirota

Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 15:46


None of us likes being lied to by politicians, and not just because being lied to is insulting, but because when a lie comes from a politician, it suggests that none of their promises should be believed. As my new nationally syndicated newspaper column shows, this is precisely what is going on in the presidential race when it comes to trade and globalization policy - key policies as the race heads into the working-class bastions of Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

It would be one thing if Hillary Clinton was admitting that yes, she vigorously supported NAFTA, but that support was misguided. But no, as the column shows, Clinton is now trying to convince voters she never supported the North American Free Trade Agreement - the trade model whose lack of labor, human rights and environmental standards made it a tool for Big Business to ship jobs abroad. Not only is she claiming to be a longtime opponent of the deal, but she's actually trotting out former Clinton administration officials-turned-corporate-lawyers like Mickey Kantor - the very architects of the deal - to tell us that behind closed doors she really wasn't for NAFTA. Shocker - these are the same hacks who have lashed their careers to Clinton's campaign in hopes of getting back their White House jobs.

The strategy assumes that the media will simply report this revisionist history as fact, and worse, that Americans who have been crushed by this unfair trade policy are a bunch of idiots. We are simply supposed to ignore the speeches she made telling us what a great success NAFTA was, including the one where she traveled to Davos, Switzerland to give a speech in which she thanked corporate interests for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA" (that's a direct quote from her mouth). And the lying is about the best indicator that all her rhetoric promising a new trade policy under a Hillary Clinton presidency would be tossed out the window when she got to the White House - much like Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign promises to oppose NAFTA and China PNTR were tossed out the window when he was inaugurated president.

But now, Barack Obama is picking up where John Edwards left off and is reminding folks of the real history, promising to get serious on trade, and consequently the polls in Ohio appear to be closing.  

David Sirota :: The Issue That Could Decide the Democratic Nomination - And the General Election
Though Obama is certainly not as aggressive on the issue as some of us would like, the rhetoric is encouraging in that he sees his political opportunity in standing with progressives. That means if he manages to win on this message, he will have begun the process of building a real public mandate to reform our broken trade policy - a mandate that he will be under enormous pressure to respect and fulfill as president.

More broadly, no matter which candidate you may be for, the dynamic is positive for anyone wanting to see a serious reform of our trade policies. As the column shows, Republican and Democratic voters overwhelmingly oppose our current trade policies, and the old neoliberal triangulation of the Clinton machine - the one that ran "over the dead bodies" of workers when it came to trade policy - is finally being exorcised from the Democratic Party. That will ultimately bring us closer to the fair trade policy our country desperately need.

For the tiny minority of Americans that polls show still drink the "free" trade Kool-Aide, remember that what we have is not "free" trade. We have rigged trade. Our trade deals are chock full of restrictive patent, intellectual property and copyright provisions that protect corporate profits - and often hurt regular people (for one example, see how our rigged trade policy is being used by drug companies to inflate medicine prices in the developing world). Our trade deals are "free" only of similar protections for ordinary people and the environment.

Also remember that the American economy - and all industrialized economies that we tout - grew into a powerhouses not through the kind of trade policies we have today, but with various forms of protections. Far from creating an economic crisis as free market fundamentalists claim, tariffs protecting workers from having to compete with slave labor, protecting the environment, protecting fledgling industries ("social tariffs" as Ross Perot called them) help prevent a destructive race to the bottom. Sure, tariffs can be bad when inappropriately applied - but the idea that "protectionism" and "tariffs" are all bad is absurd, based on a simple reading of basic American economic history.

The wild card in the unfolding debate over trade will be the elite Washington media, which I show has been overtly hostile to anyone presenting a fair trade argument. But as Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown (D) told The Nation magazine last week, Democrats should ignore the Beltway elitism both for obvious substantive and less-well-reported political reasons. Brown, who this week introduced common sense fair trade legislation, is living proof of the political benefits of a fair trade message: He crushed a Republican incumbent almost exclusively on such a message in Ohio's 2006 Senate race, meaning the message is not just a good primary theme, but also a terrific general election weapon against NAFTA cheerleader John McCain.

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Greta post david (4.00 / 1)
as usual.

OT...looky what the ClintonS are pushing now, they are hideous
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...


We're all NOT free-traders anymore (4.00 / 2)
I always thought international trade was the overarching elitist issue. The elites always got their way, the populous was slow to even acknowledge what was happening, and in the mean time a small group of people firmly established what was essentially a new global economic order. But people woke up, politicians followed, and neoliberalism may be in its last throes.

I'm just glad Bush proved to be as inept at expanding trade as he was at everything else he tried to do!

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra


David (0.00 / 0)
I have no idea what you are trying to do but you know full well, full well that Goolsbee and Obama are not going to do anything significant to modify trade policy!

I think at this point, since you are in my opinion writing pieces that are not only skewed but becoming more like Hillary hit pieces, you need to full disclose precisely who you are working for and what you are doing.

I'm sorry but I find this odious!  You have been working so long to get a fair or strategic trade policy instead of our corporate written nightmares, very hard to raise awareness on how our current trade agreements are glorified "race to the bottom" outsourcing agreements...and yet you are seemingly pushing for Obama who in policy is promoting more globalization, more "free markets" and more privatization than Hillary.  

This is not cool.  You're not the only one who hates the Clintons for some of the things that go on, lord knows she has sold out professional workers, but the reality is so has Obama.  

Quit this stuff and write some objective pieces please.   Or at least disclose the reason you are doing this.   You do this we are guaranteed in my opinion to never have true strategic, overhaul of US trade policy occur.  

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Er... (0.00 / 0)
Sorry but I think it's pretty well researched/linked...  using verbatim pro-NAFTA statements from Clinton...

Hello...

Are we supposed to ignore all this stuff -- because she's done a 180 coz of the polls?

Hello...


[ Parent ]
Disagree (4.00 / 1)
First of all, I resent your implication about he "disclosing the reason I am doing this" - it seems to imply something sinister.

Secondly, I think it is important to encourage candidates when they are doing the right thing, and hammer candidates when they are doing the wrong thing. Obama is seeing his opportunity on campaigning on a fair trade message - for that he deserves credit. Clinton is trying to lie about her record - for that she deserves scorn. And I think if Obama wins based on this, it will create a mandate for fair trade that he will not be able to ignore in the White House. That is, he will face pressure to fulfill his fair trade promises.

It's that simple. You can disagree. That's your right. But don't indict my motives or credibility on this issue. Last I checked, I've been one of the only - if not THE only - newspaper columnists consistently writing about this issue from a progressive perspective.


[ Parent ]
that's true (4.00 / 1)
which is why I'm really wondering what you are doing.  The reality is, behind the scenes it is Hillary who introduced legislation to block the Dubai Ports World deal and he main economic advisers ARE promoting revamping trade agreements...

that's the issue and I also think you have fused Bill with Hillary and I think that's not quite accurate.

For example on both CAFTA-DR and Dubai, Bill was heavily lobbying for both.  

More importantly is the positions behind the scenes, now.  While Obama is giving rhetoric to NAFTA in terms of just rhetoric Hillary is talking about China.  The China trade deficit just went up 22.7% in January alone and is by far much more damaging to the US economy.  Add to that the debt load.
and the trade agreement itself is worse than any of the NAFTA style ones.

So, because I know you know these things, I think you are promoting frying pan to fire here.  If you do not trust Hillary to do what her proposals are currently, that's another valid issue but Obama has not proposed anything even remotely close to what is actually needed.

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[ Parent ]
"...do not trust Hillary to do what her proposals are currently..." (4.00 / 2)
Too right...

It's not just the fission with Bill, it's her 'business' connections with Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson (via the Glover Park Group).

e.g. not only Bill's involvement with Dubai but boostering her grossly overpaid communications spokesman, Howard Wolfson business dealings.

Lobbyists helping Dubai company to seal $1.8 billion deal
http://thehill.com/business--l...

Whiter than snow is Clinton -- yeah right.


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Penn (4.00 / 1)
I agree, that's a very scary partner, very scary indeed.

She did recruit Barney Frank as an economic adviser.  

You should read the Wall street blogs going ballistic about a mortgage variable interest rate freeze for 5 yrs.  I'm not sure on this particular proposal but the idea to let all of those people out of those predatory loans and into government restructuring is sorely needed.  I think we've had about 20B write downs but there are estimates of 1 Trillion total write downs which means we are not at the peak of this disaster by any means.  
Gene Sperling is another economic adviser, American Progress.  Now, they appear to be DLC but that said they are talking about outsourcing and consulting with EPI (Economic Policy Institute) and EPI rocks on all of this stuff (funded by labor, labor centric think tank).  EPI influencing in anyway a Presidential policy platform would be a godsend.  

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Penn (4.00 / 2)
hmm... Scary... with the gobs of money she gives him with no results -- ... he must be!

I'm sure Barney Frank will be taken seriously within her very special group of advisors...

But, I was hoping that you might provide a e.g. an economic blog thread that relates to a compare on contrast on some of the economic debates between the two economic camps?

e.g. Outsourcing for one...  or your problems with environmental enforcement -- esp. when I've noticed half my organic food is coming from Mexico etc...

ouch...


[ Parent ]
adsf (4.00 / 1)
Outsourcing is real simple, multinational corporations are basically manipulating PPP (purchase power parity) of differing nation states, economies to maximize their profit margin.  i.e. they are globe hopping and the ones paying for this most are the workers.  i.e. if you cannot get your slave labor in Mexico or their peso is just a little too expensive...well, it happens to be cheaper to move your entire manufacturing facility to Vietnam where the exchange rate for labor is cheaper, there are even less worker rights and protections...but even with those, on many labor intensive areas one can have the most profit maximization by reducing labor to glorified serfs.  Each nation-state has a differing cost, total costs.  They can also protect profits, capital by moving it around the globe avoiding taxes, using the differing currencies, economies to churn an immediate profit that way.  Multinational corporations have the world as their playground and the workers don't.  (and don't think enabling unfettered global migration will solve this imbalance, corporations want that one so they can control the global flow of labor supply).    Then there is the tax code.  A foreign corporate entity isn't paying US taxes for their are incorporated, headquarter elsewhere.  So, for example, Halliburton said forget the US and moved their headquarters to Dubai because it was cheaper for them (plus obvious criminal/civil investigation pending!)

Another example is just letting a US business entity be bought by a foreign business entity, wala, the business is now foreign and not subject to US corporate tax code...
there are thousands of these sorts of things going on.  

Just a minor example, China is going to Mexico ports and thus we get the Mexico(NAFTA) super highway (this is a major issue with the Teamsters) ok, so why....well, poor little China has to pay a 2% tariff on their trucks to import into the US...so they can just deliver to Mexico and wala, they are not under NAFTA, which has no said tariff.

but wait....how about the US trucks to be sold in China?  oh my, there is a 25% tariff from China on US trucks...
lots and lots of things like this.

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[ Parent ]
Thanks == so what's the solution(s) economic man? (4.00 / 1)
hmmm...with regards to the Nafta Highway... I remember looking at that issue a while back, I found it really interesting the connections between the Carlyle Group being down there, ex-Mexican Carlyle Groupie/Director then becoming Mexicans (if I remember) transport (or telecommunications) secretary -- then subsequently making bad == trucking deal with Bush.  I haven't done a follow up on that one.  Guessing congress let that one through?

Plus, remember and ex-clintonite/NAFTA guru at the Carlyle Group (Thomas McLarty) saying we need to give Mexico a Marshall Aide program... to keep those workers down there... yeah that will work!  Clinton agree with that one too?

Anyways. so you think Tariffs are totally DEAD then -- and we're totally doomed?


[ Parent ]
well (4.00 / 1)
and this is certainly something Sirota has written about in his book, first up is to get corporate lobbyists from not writing US trade policy and legislation, that might be useful.

My personal view is that we need strategic trade, based on the  theory and should have a congressional trade office modeled on the congressional budget office to provide real time statistics, details, analyze what is working, what is not and modify accordingly.  

Congress actually has blocked the Mexican trucks and then the Bush administration starts working around it.  I guess the NAFTA superhighway is a huge issue in Texas, but I haven't been tracking on those particulars.  

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[ Parent ]
Did you miss.... (0.00 / 0)
.............this part of David's reply?

....I think it is important to encourage candidates when they are doing the right thing, and hammer candidates when they are doing the wrong thing

Not everyone see things this way but he answered your 'question' and a lot more dispassionately than I would have to boot.

One of these candidates is gonna be the Dem choice and might be the next President. I don't care for either for reasons similar to some of those you've expressed but....

I doesn't advance the progressive agenda to just write either off. Much as it pains me to say it trying to influence them to do the correct thing should be part of our agenda.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


[ Parent ]
Did you miss mine? (0.00 / 0)
I guess you missed my reply.  I am clearly pointing out that spinning Hillary as this free traitor and Obama as actually going to do something is just not based in fact and this is not Sirota's first piece trying to imply that Obama will actually revamp US trade policy and Hillary is just "lying".  I track policy, very specific issues and I have real problems with both of them, not volunteering for a Presidential campaign, not a cheerleader.  

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[ Parent ]
Must have.... (4.00 / 1)
.....I don't think either Senator is likely to be at all progressive on this issue...'s why I supported Edwards.

Another cycle or two and perhaps...perhaps the voters will get it. That is, it don't matter if yer a woman or Black what matters is the policy you intend to implement and one look at the advisors on either team tells you that....

....workers just don't matter that much to them.

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[ Parent ]
adsf (0.00 / 0)
I would have voted Edwards also.  But I went and did my homework and this is what I found, Obama is more "free trade" "globalization" than Hillary.  Someone yesterday discovered Obama has in his health care plan to wait until 2012 to enact it.  

While most of this information isn't even known, we have media claiming the race is over right now.  

I feel we are all guilty in not doing our homework early.  I didn't because I blew both of them off as equal and discovered late they are not.  

Anyway, I'm just pointing information, positions out.  I would never call either of them a Progressive and most assuredly not a Populist.  

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[ Parent ]
Knowledge is power... (4.00 / 1)

.....and the more we know about whoever the nominee is the better. I'm will Matt on working on Congress to make it more responsive to the citizens through the election of true progressives.

Also interested in talking and writing about solutions to our society's problems such as:

Solar Grand Plan

Funny how the fact that Hillary is female and Obama black seems to preclude discussion of that.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


[ Parent ]
right o (0.00 / 0)
Sure in terms of labor, economics, trade and then cost effectiveness and so on.  Myself I actually was writing little notes that probably some staffers didn't appreciate (:)) about how they needed a NASA like government agency on an alternative energy program AND also make it "Americans 1st" for true retraining, starting about 2004.  (I try to not bother them but I think this is an awesome idea).   There are all sorts of displaced STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics) out there and if one offers real retraining, this is say 6 months to a new MS degree and so on in Alternative Energies, Material science, Chem. E., power engineering and so on, this actually isn't so hard for STEM because they already have the general engineering background for the additional study and research to move into these technical areas.  YOu can have internships, co-ops (these used to be in engineering and were multifold, real world work, training plus $$$ to pay for the tuition of the degrees), So, I want them to hire
and support first and foremost all of these displaced people.  And this isn't some bogus "oh poor victim, you are out of a job" approach, this is the reality that you have some pretty hard core science people sitting on their ass and working at Home Depot and that is a real waste.  Especially over 40.  They have years of experience in problem solving and that is a goldmine to find future innovations in.  

I see this as a huge economic plus for the US on multiple levels, trade deficit, environmental, something to export, new industries, full employment, utilization of all the American talent currently being wasted.

We need the Economics of Energy blogger to promote, point out this as well as analyze some of the hype technologies that aren't so practical (hydrogen), dig into the issues in detail.

You wanna?  ;)

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[ Parent ]
I will be as part of my Three Things....Posting series. (4.00 / 1)
Just got another cool article about Texas and wind:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02...

Then there's the reseach being done on a new class of chemicals which would help remove heavy metals from the environment. Chinese might be in the market from what I understand.

Plus it's not only those science refugees, I am one myself from a long time ago, but the construction workers, engineers, heavy equipment operators who'd be needed to build the DC backbone and the rest of the Solar Grand Plan infrastructure.

Plus put cheap, sustainable power together with our IT and we'd be back in the manufacturing business with the FAB revolution.

But....

First we have a few minor problems to iron out.

Political corruption....

The politics of identity as opposed to policy...

The growing threat to our national intelligence....NCLB...TV....etc.

One more thing....

Read this:

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-...

I agree with her. Time is running out.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


[ Parent ]
I'll look for it (0.00 / 0)
EP is anything economic, labor and so on which I consider this being.  

If you're really looking around for possibilities, a few links:

Wave Energy

More Wave

The website is currently crashed, so I'm not going to link to the, ( and I'm only aware of this from a deep research area vs. anything happening in commercialization, analysis from economic feasibility and all of that), but there is a biochemical as well as elecro-chemical processes going on in wetlands, ocean floor that create an energy by-product that could be tapped into.   This one is truly obscure frankly but I thought it sounded like something to strongly expand.



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[ Parent ]
FTA lite (4.00 / 1)
More telling is Hillary is quoting Paul Samuelson and Alan Blinder who are both, within Academia, with mathematics, proving that most middle class jobs are vulnerable to global labor arbitrage.  She has made specific statements about being opposed to S. Korea, Columbia, Panama.  

She has acknowledged the fundamental reality that immigration policy through the laws of supply and demand, if supply is large enough, in sudden influxes, will wage repress.  Obama flat out denies such laws of labor economics as "xenophobic".

Both has sold out US workers to Silicon valley, NASSCOM.  Neither will co-sponsor Dick Durbin's S.1035 (Grassley).
(note our favorite hero Sanders sure did).  

I see Obama pushing environmental and labor standards, which we know are not enforceable but even worse, we know the Peru deal (which they both voted for) was heavily about privatization of social security.  Now both of them had "additional savings accounts so poor people can have 401ks too" rhetoric which means that hybrid privatization of social security agenda (gasp).  

But, that said Hillary is talking about safety standards, port inspections, currency manipulation and dare they speak the thing that this is really about, which is capital protection and global labor arbitrage and unfair tariff games (by China especially).  

She has always said environmental and labor standards but she is going a step further to say trade policy that puts the American worker and the national interest first.

Now I don't know if either of them will do any of this and they are just out there pandering for votes...

but if your premise is true to reward those who even raise this massive economic issue up...well, I think she deserves a few brownie points here.

Goolsbee, I mean here you have Alan Blinder, not exactly a left wing radical, proving that 40M jobs are vulnerable to offshore outsourcing and he will not even acknowledge this is an issue.  

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[ Parent ]
Are you another hi-brow? (0.00 / 0)
Can we have some links, so some of us might follow... or is this just between you and David?

[ Parent ]
sry (4.00 / 1)
I've been picking up a lot of this as I see it, so I don't have links in one spot.

Ok, this was is very important, it's Greider, of The Nation, talking about Hillary recognizing Gomory's work, The Establishment Rethinks Globalization.
(Gomory has done some very influential work on trade theory, obscure but critical to incorporate his results into new trade agreements, William Greider is one to read if you want to find out nitty gritty exceptional details on trade, federal reserve, globalization agenda, he rocks as an investigative reporter who can make these complex trade, economic issues clear).  

In recent months Gomory and Leo Hindery of the Horizon Project have been calling on Congress with these big ideas and getting respectful audiences. The two met with some thirty Democratic senators and Congressional staffers from both parties. Senator Byron Dorgan, with co-sponsors like Sherrod Brown, Russell Feingold and even Hillary Clinton, has introduced several bills to confront the trade deficits

Hillary Obama on trade (mine)

Obama snippets as I saw them as they directly related to economics on our community blog.  This site really isn't covering the elections, just policy events, stats.

Hillary on Samuelson (EP, not an election site).

Dailykos blog (looks well referenced).

Trade Reform talking about real positions as well as Sirota's take (this is another group, have some exceptional economists, researchers on their board, RO approved)

Then in terms of Blinder, Blinder, outsourcing.

I'm listing my sites only because I know where all of this stuff is, a good google is going to locate much more.  

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[ Parent ]
I appreciate the reply and links (0.00 / 0)
I will read these...

[ Parent ]
Cheerleadin' for Gomory/Baumol (0.00 / 0)
Here is a very long (pdf if you click the link expect a hefty document!) policy position and proposals from The Horizon Project.

I actually want to promote them as much as possible for Sloan Foundation, Gomory, Baumol I've read their work (from the mathematics) and I am in the church of Ralph Gomory and want to see their theory, their proposals incorporated into US trade policy badly.
(this paper is not the math).

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[ Parent ]
off topic (4.00 / 1)
Are you familiar with Louis Kelso? If so, do you have a general opinion of his ideas?

miasmo.com

[ Parent ]
ESOP (0.00 / 0)
I'm somewhat familiar but more ESOP.  Generally I think they are good ideas as a mixed economy redistribution of wealth.  That said, a lot of stock options were manipulated, esp. in the 90's to really not distribute the wealth to the employees but more put wealth into the hands of a few.  There is also the AMT which causes a lot of problems due to options pricing versus IPO high price and the a crash.  

If you know his theories and are deep it, come over to
The Economic Populist and write about it.  I'm not that up on it but analyzing what happened in the "dot con" era, Enron and so forth in terms of options, IPOs acquisitions, diluted stock, preferred stock is a few books in and of itself.    

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[ Parent ]
Kelso (0.00 / 0)
I'm not really qualified to write anything on him, but I will check out your site. I have a rudimentary grasp of his premises and his logic (which I find attractive) underlying his many detailed proposals, but I am not far enough in the weeds to be able to evaluate how they have or haven't worked out in actual practice. I have been planning to read William Greider's The Soul of Capitalism at some point, because  I read somewhere that the book deals quite a bit with Kelso's ideas.

miasmo.com

[ Parent ]
on the job training (4.00 / 1)
Don't sell yourself short.  Anyone with a good mind, a little calculus can self teach on these topics.      

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[ Parent ]
Trade Deficit Cap (4.00 / 1)
I have another one for you, Hillary with Dorgan introduced a bill to put a cap on the trade deficit.  Now that is clearly no namsy pansy token side agreements.  

S.355, Foreign Debt Ceiling Act of 2005

Foreign Debt Ceiling Act of 2005 - Requires the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), every three months, to determine if: (1) the net U.S. foreign debt for the preceding 12-month period is more than 25 percent of the U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for the same period; or (2) the U.S. trade deficit for such period is more than five percent of the GDP for the same period. Requires the USTR, whenever an affirmative determination is made, to: (1) convene an emergency meeting of the Trade Policy Review Group to develop a plan of action to reduce the U.S. trade deficit; and (2) report to Congress on the details of the plan


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[ Parent ]
Thank you.... (4.00 / 2)
... but I have to compute all this stuff...

Also, shame Dorgan had no other sponsors on this one...

Look, we really do have look at the trend of Hillary's pandering of co-sponsoring bills that don't have a chance ... eg.. like time she votes for the Kyl-Lieberman resolution then co-sponsors Webbs bill to try and restain bush on going after Iran that doesn't have a chance in hell...

so... pls bare with me..


[ Parent ]
I call it (4.00 / 1)
the "which one is worser" question or "least objectionable candidate".  ;)  Yes you must parse it out in full but hardly anyone is really digging into Obama.  It's amazing how few are digging and it takes more time because one must also extrapolate since he does not have a long voting record.  

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[ Parent ]
OK/.... (0.00 / 0)
..but really you know when it comes to these two candidates voting records are not what we should be focusing on!

I think the reason we haven't been digging is because of the importance of foreign policy -- that have global consequences, but you are right -- for the next stage -- both candidates need to be drawn out on their long term strategy.


[ Parent ]
That is not a gap (4.00 / 1)
but simply a meaningless requirement that the USTR submit a plan to congress.

I have seen in this approach in other policy areas - and it never amounts to much frankly.


[ Parent ]
I think (0.00 / 0)
this bill is dependent upon a few other pieces in other to work because yeah, a plan so what, the key is to immediately implement a strategic change in policy, specifics to adjust.  Still, it is a start.  But like all of these pieces that get introduced to congress, they get a co-sponsor or two and go to die in committee.

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[ Parent ]
The elites' CW on free trade (shared by Obama's economic advisors)... (4.00 / 4)
...is that US workers will be retrained for post-industrial work in the IT area.  This ignores several factors:

First, the IT area is among the most agist employment sectors in the economy.  As someone in the sector, I know for a fact that employers only want to hire fresh undergraduates and don't give a damn about retrained older workers.

Second, workers in IT have their own careers under siege, from rapidly evolving technology (and employers too cheap to retrain them), out-sourcing of jobs abroad (frequently a disaster BTW) and most perniciously the H1B con game which depresses IT wages by bringing in indentured IT servants from abroad, principally India.

This retraining CW has been around for decades, and goes back to when industrialized countries were supposed to shift to IT while the smoke stack industries were taken over by developing economies.  The fact now is that all countries are in the IT business.  We can no longer run ahead of China and India.

It would behoove the Clinton haters to focus a little less on the battles of the 90s, and a bit more on what is going on right now.  There may be a small chance in this election to shift the conventional wisdom on free trade, Edwards did it with healthcare, but not if you focus all your ire on the losing candidate and give the likely nominee a free pass on his own problems in this area.


... Granted (4.00 / 2)
I would very much like to know what kind of promises she's made to her Indian corporate campaign donors (if she were to become President).

However, we are talking about Texas and Ohio -- where the wounds of NAFTA are still raw!


[ Parent ]
my hit pieces (4.00 / 1)
Now while Sirota is probably all pissed at me right now(I am a Sirota fan btw, I should point that out), here are my hit pieces on Hillary and Obama on insourcing (use of guest worker Visas, manipulation of immigration policy, supercede domestic immigration policy for the purposes of global labor arbitrage).

Obama and Hilary are the same.  They have both promised to sell us out and it appears Obama is going to even further push for the F-4 (opposed by AFL-CIO, IFPTE, anyone with a brain) and recently watching the endorsements, the money, I am placing bets Obama will be worse which is pretty hard to do.  Hillary of course has been poster gal for offshore outsourcing.  She helped body shop TATA get established in NY during the height of the recession.  TATA makes billions through offshore outsourcing, insourcing (i.e. displacing US workers).  

Hillary Clinton, India's Best Representative

Is Obama for Change or Just More of the Same?

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The Economic Populist


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insourcing (4.00 / 1)
The premise that these guest worker visas are being used to fill only jobs that can't be filled with qualified Americans is bogus. Check out this instructional video to see how the game is played.

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How not to Hire an American (4.00 / 1)
I wrote the original diaries on Cohen & Grisby, which is very typical of most "immigration" attorneys.  Discriminating against US workers legally is huge bucks for many law firms.  This is my watchdog area.   If you're outraged by that, I hope you know about:
  • S.1035 : H-1B and L-1 Visa Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act of 2007 (Durbin-Grassley)
  • H.R.2538 : To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to provide greater protections to domestic and foreign workers under the H-1B nonimmigrant worker program. (Pascrell)
  • H.R.2504 : To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act with respect to the admission of L-1 intra-company transferee nonimmigrants. (DeLauro)
  • H.R.548 : To establish a Congressional Trade Office (DeFazio)

We need people writing their congress representatives, repeatedly asking them to co-sponsor these bills. NOTE both Obama and Hillary have not co-sponsored S.1035 and Durbin(D-IL) is Obama's colleague!

If you want to see the original videos, Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire.  

PG (Programmer's Guild) did the very nice edits on the clip but the thing is, if you look at the originals or even just google around on many law firms, you can find just as insulting and outrageous statements as these.  There are hours of videos, and certainly getting creative by adding a sound track and amplifying a few outrageous statements will help greatly in making people realize this is not about immigration, it's not about lack of skills in the US or talent, it is about global labor arbitrage.  

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The Economic Populist


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Sorry for not crediting (4.00 / 1)
I'm sure your diary is where I first saw that video. I should have credited you. I have no excuse but haste. I threw that post up in a hurry as you can see. Not that I get any traffic anyway.

miasmo.com

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credits (4.00 / 1)
I'm not sure I want to list all of the "credits" in a public blog, but let me just say it was a group effort.  One of the key reasons (in my view) it took off was the soundtrack and editing, which was PG.   Made it fast and simple to see what goes on with these immigration attorneys and their money making machine to deny jobs to US citizens.   It takes a group to get anything past the main stream media to wake up America into the truth of what is being said.  

We need more videos, media like that because when you watch it directly, see someone standing up there directly saying this stuff, like Alan Greenspan Recommends Wiping Out the Middle Class where it's straight out of their mouths, it's irrefutable.  

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The Economic Populist


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Greenspan (4.00 / 1)
Wow, that Greenspan clip is horrifying. Unfortunately, the only surprising thing is that he would admit it. I guess he figures not many people watch cspan.

miasmo.com

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adsf (4.00 / 1)
put that video everywhere.  It takes a lot to get congress to watch a 2 minute clip, believe me.  The more bloggers out there, the more real information gets out there and this is one topic the main stream media with the various corporate lobbyists and their publicists do not want to be known.  Notice how the entire election all we hear about is identity politics versus real positions, policy and agenda?  There is a huge reason for that one.

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The Economic Populist


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real positions, policy and agenda (4.00 / 1)
That stuff's for the people who run things. We're supposed to satisfy ourselves with crucial dilemmas like which candidate we'd rather have a beer with.

miasmo.com

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Retraining (4.00 / 3)
is what free traders talk about at cocktail parties to make themselselves feel better.

But to a 45 year old computer programmer, its nonsense.


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Pardon my french, but that is so much bull shit. (4.00 / 2)
Entry level IT requires a BA and YOUTH - young grads, fresh out of school.  Mid/high level IT requires degree and 3 -5 years experience and very specif experience to boot.  

I run a federally funded retraining center for dislocated and trade dislocated workers in MI.  Unless it is a skill upgrade, we will NOT train in IT because they can't get jobs.  We have many IT workers who are retraining as truck drivers and getting employed - that is until the NAFTA super highway and Mexican truckers take that occupation over, too.

In MI, we are training for big shortages in medical.  As more and more people lose insurance, this industry will probably also decline.  We'll just put all the aging and sick boomers on the streets with grocery carts.

I don't believe Obama or Hillary on this issue.  They both have voted for way too many trade deals as have all the rest of the corporate sockpuppets in Congress.  When MI has Carl and Sander Levin voting for the Peru trade deal, things are really f#%k&d.

This whole issue is a matter of national security.  If we can't make anything, we can't defend or even take care of ourselves.  As a national economic power, we have been reduced to kids living in China's basement.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  


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This Diary is an Outrageous Hit Job (4.00 / 3)
There is substantial evidence that Hillary Clinton opposed NAFTA, even strenuously, from the beginning.

Not only are there several historical books that document this, but there is testimony from numerous people - not all of whom are Hillary fans. Dismissing all of these witnesses by characterizing them as "hacks who have lashed themselves to Hillary" is completely wrong. Not only is it a sickening, and unproven, generalization, but it's factually wrong. Is Carl Bernstein (huge HRC basher) one of those?  He clearly says she was opposed to the deal.

Here is an extensive documentation - including the direct quote from Bernstein - of Hillary's opposition to NAFTA: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

Just by coincidence, last night I was reading Nigel Hamilton's "Bill Clinton: Mastering the Presidency" (p177) and he reports on the internal debate:

"Hillary had done her best to dash the hopes of the NAFTA brigade on the president's staff -- indeed she even managed to get Mickey Kantor, the new U.S. trade representative, to offer to sabotage the bill in Congress."

This book in general does not paint a flattering picture of Hillary, so you can't just toss it off as biased.  

Further, the so-called evidence that Hillary ever supported NAFTA is so flimsy I'd think you'd be embarrassed to offer it. Most of it is second hand accounts by newspapers, with no direct quotes.  The few examples that even approximate first-hand comments by Hillary do not come close to saying she supported NAFTA.  

These examples prove my point:

(1) A quote from a fundraiser (motive) that attributes something to Hillary, cites fragments, one word "committed" and then "free trade structure" - not support overall for the Treaty, plus not a quote from Hillary;

(2) She touted the President's support of NAFTA - again, no direct quote from her, and at worst she was touting HIS support for NAFTA, not hers;

(3) She touted her husband's success at passing it...not that she favored NAFTA, but that she was talking up Bill's political strength getting those accomplishments passed;

(4) She "praised corporations for mounting" was not praising NAFTA, but complementing their success at lobbying, not that she favored NAFTA.

David, it's obvious from the way you have to string together these third hand characterizations - and have ZERO direct quotes from Hillary - that your overall claim is wrong.

***If it is so freaking obvious that Hillary supported NAFTA why can't you produce a SINGLE EXAMPLE from the past 14 years where she clearly says so.***

Especially in light of the historical (and neutral) reports that she was strongly opposed, it's impossible to conclude anything other than that this diary was designed as a hit job on Hillary.

Spare me the indignation, David, you should be ashamed of yourself.  I've greatly admired your work in the past, all the way back to your weekly segments on the Al Franken Show, but you've clearly lost your way here.  


Zero direct quotes? (0.00 / 0)
I would appreciate you reading the column. I include two direct quotes:

- In her memoir, Clinton trumpeted her husband's "successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA." That's a direct quote.

- The Buffalo News reports that in 1998 she praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Another direct quote.

Again - please read what you are commenting on before you comment. Thanks!


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these are not direct quotes (4.00 / 1)
from Hillary supporting NAFTA -- like "I support NAFTA."  If she really supported it as you say then why no quotes like that.

I addressed each of the two quotes in question - the Buffalo News fragment where she praises -- not NAFTA -- but the political strength of the business support for getting NAFTA passed.  Too bad we don't have a full transcript of her speech to judge the context.

The other quote is simply her talking up the political strength of her husband - that he had political success, again, NOT that she supported the passage of NAFTA.

Is there a single quote, fragment, even allusion to the notion that she favored the passage of the Treaty?  If she did, why is it so hard to find?

Look at what you're doing.  Based on these two highly contestable sentence fragments - devoid of context, and open to several interpretations - you come to an incredibly strong conclusion - that she is lying.

This is also in the face of pretty substantial historical and testimonial evidence to the contrary - that in fact she opposed it.  I don't expect you to engage in a point-by-point debate, but I'm interested to know what your take is on the Bernstein and Ferguson quotes I provided.  

You dismiss Cantor's account by calling him a "hack" - that's pretty shallow analysis.

If this is really "the issue that decides the election" don't you think we base it on more than a sentence fragment from an inaccessible newspaper article from 10 years ago?

I agree with your opening sentence - that we don't like it when we are lied to - that goes for diarists, too.


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Mickey Kantor (0.00 / 0)
Mickey Kantor was the architect of NAFTA and quickly became a corporate lawyer after leaving the administration. He's a hack.

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Direct quotes apparently aren't direct quotes (0.00 / 0)
I love it. I quote someone directly out of their mouth - and that is undisputed. And yet it is disputed that direct quotes aren't direct quotes. How silly.

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full disclosure (0.00 / 0)
Sorry David but you are not doing full disclosure.  You are cherry picking and then posting all over the US to imply Hillary is lying and Obama is the one who will do something.  That just is not objective or accurate.  Also the timing is interesting and if voters don't dig deep, they are going to believe that through media manipulation.  It's not factual, it's not accurate and it's really spinning Hillary as the bad guy, in the headlines.  They are both the bad guys and I'm making a case that shock of all shocks, Hillary is a little less of a bad guy, more open to the real Progressive caucus and experts who want to revamp trade policy than Obama.  If you disagree with that I would want to see specifics as to why, in the details of their actual positions, policy and advisers, not a few sentences from ages ago that imply something when talking about one's spouse as 1st wife and not what their spouses did.  
What you are doing is just not cool, I'm sorry.    

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