On Foreign Policy Coverage

by: Matt Stoller

Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 16:47


I wrote two pieces on foreign policy and politics (here and here) about John Edwards senior foreign policy advisor and Truman National Security Project principal Michael Signer.  The gist of the piece was about how foreign policy wonks need to get more respectful towards politics, and vice vera.  Signer responded on Democracy Arsenal, and has kindly allowed me to cross-post his piece here as part of a 'Right to respond'.

An essay I wrote in the Washington Post on Sunday about foreign policy coverage during this campaign has provoked a wide range of interesting and occasionally bewildering responses, from Ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias, Kevin Drum, AJ Rossmiller, Ilan Goldenberg, and Matt Stoller.

I will get to them in a moment, but first wanted to say that there was an extremely heartening sequence in the MSNBC debate in Cleveland last night.  Tim Russert asked both candidates tough questions about Dmitri Medvedev, Vladimir Putin's handpicked successor as president. 

As I'm still involved in the race in some ways, I won't comment on the particular merits of each answer, but the exercise proved my original point-when the media engage in a serious way in probing candidates on foreign policy, they can push the candidates to reveal ways they think and qualities they would manifest as commander-in-chief.  I've included an excerpt at the end of this post.

Now, for the debate about coverage.  Ezra, Matt, and A.J. all had approving, thoughtful posts both appraising the depth of this disaster and trying to explain its causes a little better.  Ezra observed a lack of thoughtful, in-depth journalistic coverage of policy in general.  Matt said we lack Krugman-esque journalists working on foreign policy.

This is exactly the constructive path we ought to take, and I just hope that some members of the MSM get in the game.

But then there were a couple of posts that took a different path-toward a blame-the-victim pattern that attempted to blame campaigns for the media's failure to cover their foreign policy proposals.  I'd like to talk about this because I think it's actually a really instructive pressure point in this debate, especially for the blogs who are supposed to be keeping the MSM honest.

It seems to have begun with Matt Stoller, who has written two posts now-one intemperate and a little bizarre, the second a little more thoughtful and constructive.  In the first, here's what he writes:

Matt Stoller :: On Foreign Policy Coverage
Here's what Signer writes.

This time around, the three top Democratic candidates all proposed assertive ideas for tackling major problems in roughly the same time frame. In April, May and June respectively, Obama, Edwards and Clinton all gave major speeches on national security. Obama called for "building a 21st-century military." Edwards proposed building a "mission-focused military." Clinton called to "rebuild our strength and widen and deepen [the military's] scope."

You'd think that journalists would do a comparative analysis of what the three candidates had proposed for the U.S. military in the coming decade; what they could do, practically; and what the speeches might predict about national security during their presidencies. But no.

No, Signer, that's what YOU think journalists should do, because you enjoy comparative analysis of bureaucratic sounding language that few outside of military think tanks understand.  What political journalists cover is politics, and they don't do a particularly good job.  That's obvious.  That's been obvious for years.  Why you run your foreign policy discussions as if they do cover substantive issues in depth is the question I have.  The media's problems are the media's problems, but they should not obscure the fact that 'major serious policy addresses' are terrible forums to communicate major serious policy ideas, and that progressive foreign policy elites just don't tend to deal with politics or organizing or engaging with the public itself in a serious sustained fashion.

It's time that Signer look himself in the mirror and recognize that politics matters.  If he or someone like him is not sitting in the room where the decisions about TV, direct mail, and organizing are made, then no one in the press will take his foreign policy addresses seriously.  And you can blame the press if you want, but if 97% of a campaign budget is going towards something other than communicating foreign policy ideas to the public, then what exactly is being done to fix this problem?

What in the world is Stoller talking about?

Let's set aside the ad hominem tone (would looking at myself in the mirror really solve any of these problems?) and get to some facts about the interrelationship between the policy and political sides of a campaign.

I suspect my role as Edwards' foreign policy advisor was similar to my counterparts on the other campaigns.  I was on our 8 a.m. daily message calls; I worked on statements on highly political subjects, like the Congressional authorization of Iraq spending bills, or the Iran Revolutionary Guard vote; I worked with our political and field folks on constituency efforts that fell squarely into the foreign policy and national security area (examples would include working with the veterans community on our health care proposals and working with the Armenian-American community on language about Turkey); and I was consulted on our direct mail and other paid media.

We also did a lot on the campaign that I would think would be "political" even in Stoller's estimation.  We strongly opposed Hillary Clinton's vote to declare Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, and included this during the closing months of 2007 in almost everything Senator Edwards did in the early states.

Along these lines, we also saw the need to provide a substantive alternative to this Iran approach-so Senator Edwards delivered an address proposing an entirely new approach to Iran in Iowa City on November 5 titled "Learning the Lessons of Iraq: A New Direction on Iran."

This was very political.  Senator Edwards was frequently confronting Senator Clinton on what he saw as a major foreign policy blunder, as was Senator Obama.

Again, you could have heard a pin drop in the mainstream media.  We did see a piece in the New York Times' Caucus blog by Christine Hauser, but it basically just recounted the speech without any research or analysis.

So, in sum, I just don't think you can blame the campaigns-they are all trying as hard as they can to make foreign policy a political issue.

But there's a deeper problem.  Foreign policy does not, empirically, and should not, normatively, conform to the simplistic "politics" that Stoller seems to want it to, and that's for a good reason.  At base, when candidates offer foreign policy proposals in a campaign, they are binding themselves in the future -- they are making commitments.  For this reason, foreign policy is less relevant as an index of the back-and-forth of a campaign -- the "politics" -- and is more about the candidate's attempt to win an argument about being the best candidate for commander-in-chief.

As I wrote in my original article, foreign policy proposals can tell you a lot about a candidate:

Even if candidates fail to implement them in office, the proposals they put forth during a campaign are a reflection of their courage (or lack thereof), their intellectual depth, their fluency in difficult subject matter and their knowledge of history.

My argument is that because the candidates - on their own - do tons of foreign policy, the media ought to use these proposals as a platform to explore the candidates themselves, and that this the media's role and responsibility.  Stoller, on the other hand, seems to be saying that, from the campaign's perspective, politics ought to come before the policy, and that if it doesn't, the campaigns are to blame for not giving the media enough of a horse race and show of attacks to "cover."

This is just too cynical for me to accept, and too condescending toward actual voters to be plausible.

Obviously, campaigns are engaged in a delicate dance between the thrust-and-parry of a campaign and the desire to convince voters that candidate A is more substantive and compelling than candidate B.  Campaigns-which are comprised of human beings, after all-are aware that everyone likes a fight.  But voters also like someone smart, with a vision, who has real ideas.  In 1992, Bill Clinton would have gone nowhere without the very substantive bulk of policy proposals he had developed as head of the DLC and as a multi-term governor, whether you liked those ideas or not.  Bobby Kennedy's book To Seek a Newer World, originally published in 1968, when he was running for president, is essentially a compendium of policy proposals, many of them on foreign policy.

Stoller, to his credit, softened his tone considerably in a second follow-up post.

Wonks need to get more political and more in touch with what it means to organize and fight for your foreign policy vision among voters themselves.  But the other side of the coin is that, from what I've noticed, political operatives in the Democratic Party tend to seriously undervalue substantive arguments for a different way of governing. 

Even if this is more balanced, I still don't see the point and am not sure Stoller really has facts at his disposal to support his proposition.

In this campaign season, there have been energetic and highly organized political/field/organizing campaigns with thousands of people, fancy schwag, and paid media campaigns on the following issues:  Darfur (the Save Darfur Coalition), the military budget (Ben Cohen's Sensible Priorities group, whose pie-chart of our discretional spending was extremely visible and whose grassroots activists were dominant in both Iowa and New Hampshire), and global aid (Bono's ONE and DATA groups, whose activists were also extremely active and ubiquitous on the ground in the early states).&

The Edwards campaign met many times with these groups, worked with them on events, made several major speeches containing bold proposals on these three areas, was endorsed by Citizens for Sensible Priorities in Iowa, and had the most ambitious global aid proposals.

Yet, again, there was no substantive coverage of our politics, policy, and potential presidential leadership on these three issues-Darfur, the military budget, and global aid. 

Has Stoller himself written about these issues?

Then Kevin Drum -- whose stuff I normally think is terrific -- wrote an atypically inapt post that obscured rather than clarified a couple of the issues under discussion:

[F]oreign policy by its very nature tends to be far mushier than domestic policy. Outside of Iraq the Democratic candidates sparred a bit over preconditions for meeting with foreign leaders and whether or not they supported covert strikes against al-Qaeda in Pakistan, but at the level of speeches it was hard to suss out a lot of substantive differences. It's not an impossible task, but anyone trying it either has to admit that the differences are subtle (i.e., boring) or else run the risk of getting things completely wrong via close reading of ambiguous phrases. If candidates were willing to entertain foreign policy hypotheticals their differences would be a lot easier to figure out, but they're not. So we're stuck.

Of course, things weren't really all that different on the domestic side, were they? Domestic policy tends to be a little more specific, which makes for easier comparisons, but in the case of healthcare (to take an example) all that got us was an endless, dreary debate about mandates. That's interesting to wonks, but not to much of anyone else.

Signer suggests that foreign policy debates have been sharper in the past, but his examples are all from general elections, not primaries. This year should be no different. Iraq will still be the 800-pound gorilla, but the differences between John McCain and the Democratic candidate should be sharp enough to produce some foreign policy fireworks. Who knows? By the time October rolls around we might all be wishing that the press would shut up on the subject.

First of all, as I told Kevin later, my examples were from primary campaigns, so this was wrong.  In my concluding graf, I wrote:

In 1959, John F. Kennedy was arguing that we had a "missile gap" with the Soviet Union -- and increased tensions with Moscow. In 1979, Ronald Reagan said that "negotiation with the Soviet Union must never become appeasement" -- and as president, he ratcheted up the Cold War. There are no guarantees, but what the candidates are saying about foreign policy this time around just might affect the course of history.

These examples were from contested primary campaigns where JFK and Reagan faced reasonably strong opponents, in 1959 and in 1979.  So that was a mistake, and the argument -- that primaries are different from generals, and problems in the former less important (presumably) than in the latter -- also mistaken.

Second and more important, what does Kevin mean when he wrote that foreign policy is "mushier" than domestic policy?  Again, an example from the Edwards campaign.  Here are the proposals Senator Edwards made on Iran-a very hot political issue, an active front between all three campaigns, and at a moment when national press attention was white-hot-on November 5 in Iowa City:

End the "preventive war" doctrine.  As president, Edwards will ask his National Security Advisor to remove President Bush's explicit endorsement of "preventive war" from his National Security Strategies.  And he will ask his Joint Chiefs of Staff to form military plans in accordance with the national security strategies that we know can keep us and our allies safe-not discredited and dangerous ideological fancies.

Use bolder and more targeted economic sanctions.  First, we must fully enforce the Iran Sanctions Act, a law Congress passed to let the president punish companies that do business with Iran's extremist regime.  Second, we must work multilaterally-most importantly, with our Western European allies-to strengthen economic sanctions on Iran.  Third, we must completely shut down all Iranian access to the American financial system.

Use incentives:  Edwards believes we should also use "carrots"-diplomatic measures to convince Iran to abandon its nuclear ambitions and support of terrorism.  Iran, which right now cannot even process its own oil and imports the majority of its fuel, needs greater energy resources.  We should draw Iran into compliance through incentives including increased refinery capacity.  We should also lead a multilateral effort to create a regional fuel bank that Iran could use for peaceful purposes.  Finally, we should use the possibility of bringing Iran into multilateral economic organizations, including the WTO, to draw Iran's elites into pressuring the regime to change course and abandon its nuclear ambitions.

Reengage with Iran:  We should chart a new course for diplomatic relations with Iran by expanding low-level talks between government officials on both sides in a neutral country.

Reengage with other major nations on the challenge of Iran:  We must work with China and Russia on the problem of Iran's nuclear ambitions.  Both nations have economic relationships with Iran on trade and energy.  But both nations also have a strong interest in stability in the Middle East.  And neither nation wants the nuclear club to expand.  In place of the wayward and ad hoc diplomacy of the Bush Administration, we need more effective and strategic reengagement with both China and Russia.  We need to make Iran a top-level priority in our bilateral relationships with both countries.  We must work with both Russia and China on how they can achieve their economic goals through alternatives that will not assist Iran's military nuclear capability.  In the first year of his administration, Edwards will convene a conference with his Secretary of State and representatives from the "E.U. 3"-Great Britain, France, and Germany-Russia, China-and Iran.  At this conference, we should discuss a way out of the stalemate caused by the Bush administration.

Is Kevin seriously saying that this (and there are dozens of examples from all of the campaigns of similar proposals) lacked specifics?

But again, there was really no coverage-and it can't be because of Stoller's explanation, that our campaign was somehow apolitical, or because of Kevin's explanation, that it was somehow more "mushy."

I return to my original argument-which is very simple, really.  The mainstream media ought to be doing more probing, serious, analytical coverage of foreign policy.

And maybe some of the blogs should be as well!


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Understanding Foreign Policy (4.00 / 2)
The first thing that comes to my mind after reading this is that in order for the public (or the media) to be responsive to foreign policy positions, they need to understand international politics. Most Americans don't - this is not secret. As I became an avid news junkie, and eventually political junkie, I found that getting a grasp on national politics was not so difficult. A couple cycles pass, you read a lot of news and analysis, a few good books, and all of a sudden you're among the top 15% of the population in terms of political knowledge.

I actually studied international relations for several years, hold a B.S. in that field, and would obsessively read foreign and domestic media on international topics. Even with professors and diplomats to answer my questions, a significant library accumulated over years, numerous research papers written and a fair amount of foreign travel, I still found international politics (and economics) to be a daunting topic. So how does the average American view foreign policy? As simplistically as they possibly can.

So to expect people to care about, let alone understand, what makes a good Sudan policy or a good Far East policy, is simply not a reasonable expectation. To expect the media to report on it in anything more than a fraction of the depth required is also unreasonable. That is why the only foreign policy people care about is Iraq and Iran - though they are fairly insignificant policy challenges compared to China and Russia. Only topics that have saturated the news coverage and been trumpeted by politicians are accessible to most people. Because only those topics are covered enough for people to develop an understanding of the context. And I think I'm being generous even by assuming that.

When Kevin Drum says foreign policy is "mushier" he is right. Not because candidates cannot talk strong, specific, principled stands on foreign policy issues, but because people lack the background to appreciate the policy beyond how it "sounds". I fear that foreign policy will be perpetually relegated to a low-priority issue for most voters, with the exception of the big-ticket issues, like the Cold War was and the Iraq war is today.

Oh, and as for the comment that the blogs should focus more on foreign policy - Yes Please!

"Don't hate the media, become the media" -Jello Biafra


Thank you for the article. (4.00 / 1)
I will not weigh in on substantive portions of the debate. But I will say that Right to Respond is a policy that I admire and support with all my strength.

Intricacies of policy on the level of which carrot and what sanctions are vitally important information that impacts on our lives, and the lives of our loved ones, but also, if we accept the British equivalent of the JAMA, to more than 1 million Iraqi dead.

The fact that the 'experienced' 'well informed' fully involved 'safe-baby' candidate cannot actually remember ever saying the name of the Russian Prime Minister out loud correctly, gives us an approximation of its value to voters.    

Whatever.

The public wonders: "is that important..?"

Politically; 'foreign' affairs and war, and the reasons for war are criminally absent from discourse.

But -while it is important, and in a democracy, part of the responsibility of the public in governing, the level of information discussed publicly,  that isn't "Bill'O" fatuous and chauvinistic, barely reaches over the crib pads.

Support the troops!

cough

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


Indeed.... (4.00 / 1)
.......one of the better one line comments of this campaign season:

Politically; 'foreign' affairs and war, and the reasons for war are criminally absent from discourse.

HIghlights what is terribly wrong about this:

The mainstream media ought to be doing more probing, serious, analytical coverage of foreign policy.

Only one response is appropriate here and Homer Simpson will deliver it for me:

Du'oh!

Such a passive voiced statement of the obvious is what we here in the lower, hotter levels of the 'sphere have come to expect from 'Versailles'. One has to wonder where Mr. Signer has been of the past forty years. The MSM is never going to do as he beseeches. That's not their job. It's the job of the campaign to get the candidates views and policies out there. And one begins to see why the Edwards campaign failed.

Modern full-contact politics requires aggressive leadership. The camdidate and his campaign must take their message to the people. Obama shows this and no I don't think there is something inherently more difficult in communicating Edwards message than there is in getting Obama's out. Obama's is simpler but it's criminally stupid to think that the American citizenry can't comprehend the basics of foreign policy.

That's right. Stupid. There are two reasons why the residents of 'Versailles' advance this line of thinking: First, it allows them to conceal what our nation's true foreign policy is which in many instances would not meet with approval from the 'dumbass' voters; Second, to do so requires that the candidate and campaign be capable and interested in educating the voters. Something which would eliminate about 90% of the folks running. No...the problem is not with the voters it's with folks like Mr. Stigner who think politics is merely running TV  ads, TV interviews and giving speeches. Modern politics is war fought on every front with every weapon.

A successful campaign must do whatever it takes to get it's message out. Waiting for the corporatist press to express and 'interest' in progressive candidates and their policies is a recipe for failure.

Because it just ain't gonna happen.

Peace, Health and Prosperity for Everyone.


Defeatist (4.00 / 2)
Seems pretty defeatist to say, "the media will always be that way". As if the media were a tree or river, and it's simply naturally that way. No: the media is a human construction, it can change, and we can influence it.

To expect the media to change, without expecting candidates to anything different, is equally silly. Campaigns should look for more ways to engage the media with foreign policy; the media should make sure it doesn't miss stories that will impact Americans.

The Netroots seems like a good place for the change to start. It's hard for us to move MSNBC, but we can be the media here and make issues for the MSM to cover. Engaging with groups such as Avaaz, Save Darfur, etc. at levels comparable to the attention we give labor, etc. seems like a reasonable beginning.

For whatever reason, people in other countries pay more attention to foreign policy. Maybe being a superpower for so long has let us get sloppy. But for a progressive future, we need to step up our game. Foreign policy affects real people and we need better ways to show those stories.

No, I do not weep at the world — I am too busy sharpening my oyster knife.
    Zora Neale Hurston


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If I'm understanding him correctly (0.00 / 0)
I'm with Stoller.

Yes, we can all try to think of ways to get Da Media to be constitutionally more interested in at least the broad outlines of foreign policy, if not the details.  But at best that's a long song, and in the meantime, it's up to the candidates and their campaigns to deal with reality as it is today.

It truly doesn't seem to me all that tough.  Pick a couple of good representative foreign policy positions/differences, and keep bringing them up and pounding them in debates, interviews, news releases, and campaign rally speeches.  Whack the other guy in strong language about whatever it is.

Geez, this is PR 101.  Why am I having to explain it?  Your "political" people in the campaign know exactly how it's done, you just haven't asked them to do it on these subjects.

I agree totally with Acitizen that the American public simply doesn't have the contextual knowledge for a lot of nuance on these things, but neither do they have all that much more for the innards of health care policy.  So you have to market.  Find a couple of key points that will resonate and also are characteristic of your candidate's approach, and hit them regularly-- preferably with the kind of language against "the other guy" that gets the MSM types all shivery with delight. (suppressing a ruder metaphor here...)

"Major foreign policy addresses" are just whistling in the wind.  We know that.  It's been the case for decades.  Quemoy and Matsu, of all idiotic things, were a huge deal in the Jack Kennedy campaign because he kept whanging away at them all the time in terms the public could understand.

It's. Just. Not. That. Hard.

John Edwards couldn't do it, despite his terrific thoughtfulness, because the MSM simply refused to pay any attention to him when they were so focused on the Hillary/Obama thing.  But Obama certainly can, especially in the general.  It would be a good thing to go after, too, because I think it would show up McCain's terrific shallowness of understanding of this stuff.

But look, you just can't go being virtuous and pout because nobody recognizes your virtue.  That's just silly.  If you're a politician -- or a marketer -- you have to figure out how to make the media pay attention.  It may be distasteful, but that means understanding what excites them and playing on their terms.  Karl Rove understands this.  It's not a mystery.  It's entirely doable.

All of which, may I say at risk of being pelted with stones, is the major reason I'm no big Obama fan.  He's -- so far -- chosen to play those strings pretty much only in support of his personal magicalness, not specific progressive policies, foreign or domestic, of the kind he says he believes in.

Policy papers on Web sites and "major policy addresses" are, it seems to me, primarily a way of getting credit from the wonks without actually promoting anything to the general public whose support you will need if you ever actually get elected.  Feh.

PS  None of this is meant to imply criticism, or dismissal, of John Edwards.  Of all the candidates in my lifetime since Bobby Kennedy, I have been most strongly drawn to Edwards as both thoughtful and miiltantly progressive-- and truly inspirational.  Maybe his time will come.  I hope so.  I think he's a better man on every level than the surviving candidates on both sides.


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