Off To The Races In Pennsylvania

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:40


Wow. This is really happening. Possibly the most important, and certainly the most epic and dramatic, presidential primary contest of all time will take place in my backyard. The circumstances that led to Pennsylvania becoming decisive were just as unlikely and seemingly random as the circumstances that led to my becoming a long-term resident of Pennsylvania.

On at least three occasions, Clinton had a chance to finish Obama off: Iowa, South Carolina and Super Tuesday. Every time, the voters decided otherwise. On two occasions, Obama had a chance to finish Clinton off: New Hampshire and March 4th. Once again, the voters said "not yet." On every occasion, the frontrunner failed to finish the job, and the nomination campaign lurched forward. By the same token, I only ended up in Pennsylvania when, in January of 1997, a poem I wrote on the back of receipts at the bank where I worked earned me a fellowship at Temple University five weeks later. As an Upstate New Yorker, I had always planned on going to SUNY for graduate school, but the offer from Temple was just so good that I turned down both Stony Brook and my dream school, the University of Buffalo (don't snicker--if you know anything about avant-garde poetry, you know why UB would be the dream school for an avant-garde poetry obsessed, Upstate New Yorker). And for one reason or another, as time went on, I just stayed in Philadelphia.

I point this all out not to be egocentric (although that is probably a charge of which I am frequently guilty), but rather as an example of how this primary has accidentally resulted in a wide range of Americans unexpectedly finding themselves at the center of an epic political maelstrom. For example, the Pennsylvania for Obama campaign was started early last year by Josh Richards, a grassroots progressive from Upper Darby who has been central to many of our local progressive organizing efforts. A few months ago, Josh literally handed over the volunteer campaign he started to the national Obama campaign, and it still serves as the core infrastructure for Obama's efforts in Pennsylvania. As such, it isn't a surprise that Philly for Change, the local chapter of Democracy for America where Josh sits on the steering committee, tonight voted to endorse Barack Obama for President with 74% of the vote.

Philly for Change (once known as Philly for Dean) is an impressive local organization. Back in August of 2003, two weeks before Howard Dean's Sleepless Summer tour, it organized a 4,000-person rally for Howard Dean on Independence Mall. While that may not seem impressive by today's numbers, at the time it was groundbreaking in its enormity--the largest rally for a Democratic candidate in a primary in about three decades. Attending that rally was a turning point in my life, as it convinced me that the new, local, grassroots organizing efforts for Democrats I had read about online were absolutely for real (and so, I have spent the last four and a half years working in politics as a result). The rally was organized by many of my local progressive friends, the same early adopters who have since become leaders--even elected officials--in the local Philadelphia progressive scene. These were the people who helped translate the early energy of the progressive movement to a wider audience, and it is people like them around the country who made the current wave of progressive activism possible. They were the catalyzing energy behind a Malcolm Gladwell type tipping point for progressivism in America.

More in the extended entry.  

Chris Bowers :: Off To The Races In Pennsylvania
One of these early activists, Anne Dicker, was endorsed for Pennsylvania State Senate tonight by Philly for Change. Another candidate, Tony Payton Jr., a 27-year old member of the State Assembly who two years ago beat the local machine to take office, was the only incumbent who spoke tonight. More than ten other candidates, most of them running for State Assembly in the April 22nd Democratic primary (that's right, we have a full slate of progressive primary challengers for local office in Philly), also spoke to the audience tonight. The Hillary Clinton campaign sent a courageous staffer to make the case for her campaign. A friend of mine (also named Josh, but a different Josh) who is a district-level delegate for Obama in the second congressional district of Pennsylvania (the extremely Democratic, nine-delegate district where I live and which I partially represent at the state Democratic committee) spoke on behalf of the Obama campaign. These are now the activists who will play a large role in determining who becomes the next President of the United States.

I must say, while I was once worried about the nomination campaign dragging into late April, and while I still think it is important for the party that Obama win Pennsylvania, as I watched local democracy in action tonight I was hard pressed to think of a single negative about the extended campaign. At the Philly for Change meeting, there was some disappointment, but mostly everyone was just excited to have this chance. Every group of local progressives should get this sort of opportunity. I even find myself smiling about the Clinton activists in Western PA who posted in the open thread tonight. I just don't feel any animosity toward them at all--may the best activists win. In fact, I am excited that they are working for a Democratic candidate out in Western PA. Local activists deserve this chance. The local party needs this chance. Let's do this democracy thing, and send Pennsylvania progressive electoral activism through the roof. Pennsylvania might not even be a swing state anymore once this primary is over. As long as the campaign stays clean, it might even render all four of our new U.S. House Democrats safe, and put a couple more districts in the Democratic column. As Susan H and Hopeful in NJ wrote in the comments to the post below this one, thank you to Iowa for not choosing the frontrunner, and thank you to New Hampshire for not rubber stamping Iowa. Now, the rest of the country has a chance to take part in the process, too.

And so, we are off to the races. Along with my delegate friend Josh (a different Josh, who is also totally grassroots, and worked his ass off to earn his delegate spot), and Levana, an old activist friend of mine who I hadn't seen in two years (we once both were on the Philly for Change steering committee together, and tonight she stopped Johnny Dougherty, an opponent of Anne's in the State Senate campaign, to ask him why he endorsed Rick Santorum in 2006), I visited the Obama Philadelphia headquarters tonight. It was definitely the calm before the storm. The space, right near city hall, was enormous, well-organized and generally empty (it was 10:30 p.m., and the Project Runway finale was on). Right now, there are only two paid Obama staffers in Philly, both of whom reminded me of Josh Richards: very progressive seeming, Gen X, African-American men who you just knew had a ton of grassroots experience. Right now, there is no phone or internet (cell phones and local free wireless are sufficing), but within the next week a wave is certain to descend upon the office. And it was all started by a single, local, Philly for Change activist.

My initial take of Pennsylvania is that Obama will do very well in Philadelphia (at least 60% of the vote, and possibly 70%) and the "T" (mainly Central PA, sometimes dismissively referred to as "Pennsyltucky"), in concert with his coalition of the extremes (grassroots progressives and grassroots red state Democrats). Clinton will do well in Western PA (including the Pittsburgh metro area), Northeastern PA (Scranton / Wilkes-Barre / Hazelton and "The Office" country), and the Bethlehem / Allentown metro area. The decisive swing vote will come in the Philadelphia suburbs, which is just about the only growing area of the state. It is also a region trending blue very quickly, and has a lot of independents and Republicans who are voting for Democrats in general elections, but who can't vote in the primary unless they register as Democrats by March 24th. This three-week registration period could decide the election, since these "new" Democrats will favor Obama, while the currently registered Democrats probably favor Clinton. As the photo below the text shows, I gathered all my tools tonight to register new Democrats in my neighborhood so that they can be part of this historic event, too.

In the end, maybe it won't matter. Maybe the delegates will basically split down the middle, and Obama will continue to slog forward down the path of mathematic victory on which he currently seems headed. However, it will be an epic battle, and the same grassroots progressives who helped launch this movement will be right in the middle of it. On Friday, both Clinton and Obama will address the Philadelphia Democratic ward leaders, including my ward leader and fellow Division 27-23 committeeperson, Carol Jenkins, who I actually appointed as committeeperson back in late 2005. Now, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will be personally requesting her support in our primary. It is grassroots mania here in Pennsylvania, and I am looking forward to it.


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UB Poetics (4.00 / 1)
Hey Chris -- never knew you had a background in the avantygardy poetry world; drop me a line sometime (you can find my address on my lit-crit blog, http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot... )

Sweet! (0.00 / 0)
I bookmarked your blog. I don't spend nearly enough time with poetry these days, but I will now rely on your blog (and Silliman's, of course) to help keep me abreast of the goings ons.

Always great to meet a fellow traveler in the art that, as Ezra Pound once said, only about 1,000 people really cared about  at any given time.  


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Me Too (0.00 / 0)
I think I might have mentioned this once back at MyDD, but I was part of the Philly poetry scene in the late 70s.  In fact, right after Three Mile Island, a couple of friends and I formed a punk-flavored performance group, The Radioactive Poets Theater.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Bob Creeley (0.00 / 0)
Creeley died a couple of years ago, right? Who's chair there now ... Susan Howe? That'd be my guess. But I've been out of touch with the poetry world for a couple of years, really.

My wife and I have been friendly with a couple of folks from UB, although only really friends with Don Revell. I know well why that'd be a dream place for anyone interested in that style of poetry.


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explanatory note (0.00 / 0)
That was a little obscure without this mention: my wife's a poet.

It's an interesting extended community, that's for sure.


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Ok... (4.00 / 2)
I'm pretty sure I know one of the guys you met at the Obama office tonight. He's a terrific guy, so the campaign there is in good hands. I emailed you about it.

Small world.


I mentioned it on another thread... (4.00 / 2)
But is Obama going to be running ads EARLY (before March 24th) to try and get Indies (and some Republicans) to register before then?  Seems like it'd be a good idea...

Ads won't do it (4.00 / 1)
He needs people on the ground. The volunteers are high, but right now the staffing in thin. He needs to fix that like yesterday.  

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Chris how do we get this to the Obama campaign (0.00 / 0)
that they need staff NOW...email?  tel. call?
Howcan we help?

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At least in University City... (4.00 / 1)
I saw Obama volunteers registering voters as far back as a month ago.

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Staffing (0.00 / 0)
Don't know about Philadelphia but out here in central PA, the two Obama staffers I know have about 3 counties each. Berks went through voter registration training last Saturday and we're doing some in Schuylkill county tonight. And the goals are agressive!

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Great post (4.00 / 2)
It will be cool to have you reporting from PA for the next six weeks.

Just remember that if Pennsylvania's delegates are Saturn, Mississippi and Wyoming are Neptune -- not quite as big (42% of the larger body) but not insignificant either. I haven't looked at the districts but I wouldn't be suprised if Obama nets the same number of delegates in the upcoming MS (4-2) and WY (2-1) contests as a Clinton victory in PA (12-9).  

John McCain


Me fail astronomy? (4.00 / 1)
Note: My astronomy analogy math is off by a LOT but the delegate math is not.

John McCain

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MS and WY (4.00 / 2)
Oh, don't worry, this is the excuse I have been looking for to get super local for a while.

As far as MS and WY go, there is a good chance they will cancel out not only Clinton's potential PA gains, but also her March 4th gains. I see Obama netting 13 delegates from those two states (8-4 and 21-12).  


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Great reporting (4.00 / 1)
This is a great window into the grass-roots part of a campaign.  It is hard and sometimes depressing to remember just what a long struggle it is to try to make this a better country, asn it seems we always go three steps forward and two backward--sometimes, like the last 7 years, undoing a fair amount of progress.  But things do change, if only because the people change.  The under 45s who vote for Obama aren't going to be as likely to retreat into personal life as the Boomers, if only because times are likely to be harder for the short term at least, which means the struggle won't flag.  

I'm increasingly optimistic about defeating McCain regardless, because his age, ignorance about policy in general and economics/domestic policy in particular are so appalling and obvious when the spotlight is on him.  His legislative career is really a series of conservative votes with occasional, random bursts of quirkiness.  He doesn't really seem to understand much of anything he is voting for, and only wants to talk about war and tax cuts, when the public's appetite for both is waning.

So let's keep out eyes on the big picture.  It would be great if Obama wins because of the increased activism and energy this would entail, and that energy could propel Obama to the left.  But Hillary won't be the end of the world, and hopefully an improved Dem Congress would have more success with her than with Bush.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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PA Gains? (0.00 / 0)
MS and WY are going to reinforce Obama's PA gains.  I have seen the energy around the state here for Obama and we are going to do very well in the Keystone state.  As all of you know we gained about 12 points in the last two weeks and are only down 6 points.  That is due to national narrative and grassroots effort, now that Obama and his campaigners are here in PA we will make it a different story.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


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But Chris, what about the obvious point... (4.00 / 1)
...that despite all the excitement and enthusiasm that this participation creates, there is a clear downside.

This campaign may have started with two candidates explaining why they're the best candidate for president... it eventually evolved into why they're the better candidate for president and has now reached the point of convincing voters why the other candidate is not the best candidate for president (and that's an understatement).

So if candidate A succeeds in winning the nomination by spending the next 3 months convincing voters NOT to vote for his/her rival, how long will it take to un-convince them and how successful will we be? What does history tell us? I profess ignorance here, but did the closest primaries not have higher participation, albeit not as high as this one? How many Democratic brokered conventions resulted in a Democrat being elected to the White House?

Am I really wrong to worry?


there could be a downside (4.00 / 6)
But at this point, worrying gets us nothing. The deed is done, and we are headed to PA.

Now, the question is what we do with the campaign once it reaches PA. It could still end here, or at least on May 6th. Either way, let's make the most of this, and try to avoid worrying.  


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hope for the best prepare for the worst (4.00 / 1)
Obama not only has to line up support throughout the state, he has to solidify that support, lock it in. There's a lot of time between now and May & lots of time for people to change their minds. The candidates spin, pitches, and attacks are going to be clogging up the airwaves and the polls may seesaw back and forth between Obama and Clinton. To win, Obama has to lock in some firm support, people who make up their minds early and don't change their mind, but also he has to keep on top of the trends, not take wavering support for granted, and intervene daily to keep the wavering voters with him.

If we're lucky, this will help Team Obama fortify those weaknesses where Clinton and McCain scored some hits in TX and OH, polish the responses, and develop better attacks that are real and issue oriented. If we're really lucky the attacks will be about progressive issues that the Republicans can't recycle after August.

If we're not lucky, it could all devolve into endless character assassination, sliming and dirty tricks, eagerly abetted by the tabloid mentality press.


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I wouldn't worry (0.00 / 0)
FDR and Truman turned out pretty OK.  They were brokered IIRC.

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All conventions were brokered then (0.00 / 0)
it was a different system before 1972,

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1968, California Democratic Primary (0.00 / 0)
This was clearly, and unhappily, the most dramatic primary of all time.  First, it was a tight show down between the forces of Bobby Kennedy and Gene McCarthy.  Second, in one crazy moment six months of voting was just cancelled out on live TV.  I woke up back east in the middle of the night and sneaked downstairs to turn on the TV for the results.  I heard Bobby Kennedy giving his victory speech and then saw Sirhan Sirhan shoot him dead.  It was a horrible thing in a horrible year of violence and war.  I didn't care if it was 3 in the morning, I woke up everybody in the house.  Too dramatic.

Then came the Democratic convention which awarded the nomination amidst its own chaos and drama to Hubert Humphrey who had not taken part in the primaries but who was by then the annointed successor of LBJ.  Humphrey was a good man tied to a bad war and the war dragged him down.

We don't want to rival that primary for drama.


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Thanks as always for the awesome post Chris (4.00 / 4)
Can I request that you feel free to let your inner wonk run wild at times during this primary? You have such an intense amount of knowledge about PA and its politics that you can really provide significant insights (even moreso than usual). I'd love to hear more details about these area breakdowns and about the Philly suburbs in particular!  Really looking forward to it!

Duel at Gettysburg? (4.00 / 2)
Cool, Barack and Hillary can meet on the fields at Gettysburg in honor of the overhyped comparison to the Civil War.

Who will be Meade? Who will be Lee? Who will scribble little notes on the back of an envelope? (The first known mobile blog?)


If it happens, I will... (0.00 / 0)
roll out of bed in the morning, drive fifteen minutes, and literally be there.  Heading to Gettysburg this Monday and will be there, more or less, through the election :-)

I'm waiting for Obama to come and give a "gettysburg address"...

As matt says: "A girl can dream" :-)


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Obama Contacts (0.00 / 0)
I am assuming you are coming to work for the Obama camp.

Where can I find information about who to contact in this area for volunteer work. I live in the South Central PA area (York) but have as of yet, been unable to find a contact down here.


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Yep, Obama... (4.00 / 1)
I've been trying to get info from the campaign for the past couple of days.  It seems like they are a few days away from having all of their staff assignments figured out, so things are still a little bit up in the air.  When I spoke with a volunteer coordinator at the Philadelphia office (215-564-2010), he told me that they were planning on opening an office in York. So, presumably, there will be something going on there pretty soon that you will be able to tap into.  

Another possible route would be through the Obama website.  I signed up for their 'neighborhood teams' or whatever they are called.... you can do this by clicking on the "States" tab at www.barackobama.com, and then clicking on the PA hyperlink.  

finally, i've had the most success by just putting feelers out with people i know in the area.  evidently, there is already an obama network in adams county, so i'll probably be able to just link up with them, at least until/if the campaign opens an office in gettysburg.  hope this helps.  lets bring a win home for Obama in PA!


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incidentally, fwiw... (0.00 / 0)
the obama network is made up of democratic party activists in gettysburg (in other words, the local "machine," such as it is, is behind obama here...)  i was actually pretty surprised when i found this out -- i had always thought of these people as being not particularly progressive (and not necessarily excited about a 50-state strategy, grassroots organizing, etc...).  i guess i was wrong on that point.  also, being mostly older white women, i thought they might be leaning towards clinton, or at least a little bit undecided.... but no, they are firmly in obama's camp, and will be mobilizing their networks in the area on behalf of obama.  i think he will do pretty well in the gettysburg area (there is a college and seminary in town -- the creative class is well represented -- there is also a decent-sized black community, and a whole bunch of history buffs who have settled here, and who are probably pretty responsive to obama's history-based appeals [i.e. the way he talks about the revolutionary war, lincoln and the depression in his stump -- as well as the whole 'next great chapter' business]).  the surrounding area is pretty conservative (there are actually some white supremacist groups in the area), but i don't necessarily see these people going for clinton any more than for obama... it's not like they are older, white ethnic, industrial working class type dems.  they are mostly just republicans.    

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Thanks (4.00 / 1)
Awesome, thanks for the info.

Yea, I have lived in York (county) for a few years now. I am always amazed by the hate groups in town. I moved up from NO VA, and I have always said that instead of moving 100 miles north, I feel like I moved 100 years into the past.


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Who will be Joshua Chamberlain? (0.00 / 0)
Chamberlain was the little college professor who marched the 20th Maine into battle at Little Round Top.  His troops slowed but did not stop the Confederate surge.  When they ran out of ammunition, Chamberlain ordered a bayonet charge (rather than a retreat).  It was the bayonet charge that broke the backs of the Confederate advance and left Lee with the options of Pickett's Charge or an unsatisfactory retreat.

Chamberlain was later promoted to general, elected Governor of Maine, chosen as President of Bowdoin College, and many years after the battle received the Congressional Medal of Honor.

So, who will be the local hero who will turn the tide not just of the battle but of the war?

And, who will be Longstreet?  Yes. he was opposed to Pickett's Charge and failed to lead that assault himself.  Yes, he advocated defense and was a bit slow on the offense.  Yes, to millions in the post war South, Longstreet was the villain of Gettysburg.  It was a fate he may not have deserved but then again the death of Stonewall Jackson at Chancellorsville deprived the South of the more likely leader of a grand assault.  

Heroes and villains all along the line with fully a third of the battle's participants killed, wounded, captured or missing.    


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Most important? (0.00 / 0)
I'm sorry, I know you're excited, but I'm getting sick of this "PN is the new IA" shit.

You're right. (0.00 / 0)
With 158 delegates, PA is actually three times more important than IA now.

Tim Wolfe

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A Couple of Things (4.00 / 1)
(A) You do realize it's half in jest, don't you?

(B) You do realize it's more than half true, don't you?

(C) [Okay, I lied.] Do you have any idea how frustrating, and several order of magnitude beyond annoying it is to live in a highly populous, important state and every four years have no say in who the nominee is, while a handful of unrepresentative voters in Iowa and New Hampshire decide for you?  Well, now you have just the slightest inkling.

[D]  [Okay, I really lied.] I'm thoroughly enjoying Chris's giddiness.  After the last 40 years, progressive giddiness is good.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Enjoy the rush! (4.00 / 1)
I've been voting for 32 years, and when I voted for Obama (and did GOTV for him) in Georgia on super Tuesday, it was the first time that my presidential primary vote actually mattered.  I was quite a rush, especially watching the returns and realizing my guy was getting a lot of delegates.  So, Chris, enjoy the rush of having your vote matter!   (If it does, I still can't believe this won't be settled by then.)

PA not decisive (4.00 / 3)
I understand your excitement, but you're wrong. Pennsylvania isn't going to be decisive. Hillary isn't going to drop out if she loses Pennsylvania by a few percent (the delegate difference from a small loss and a small win are minimal). She's probably going to win it by 10% just like Ohio anyway, but that isn't going to get her the nomination either. By the same token, New Hampshire wouldn't have been decisive if Obama had won it by 2% instead of Clinton either. She still would have gone on and won the meaningless Michigan and Florida contests then done well in NY, Arkansas, and many other states on Super Tuesday.

If Hillary ... (4.00 / 1)
can't win PA ... then she is done ...  where else will she have a chance to catch Obama in delegates?

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She has no chance now (4.00 / 1)
but she's staying in anyway. Since Obama can't get enough pledged delegates to win, she doesn't have to quit no matter how dismal her prospects are. Her only chance is some titanic gaffe or scandal on Obama's part, enough to force the supers to override the voting, and that could win her the nomination as late as the morning of the vote in Denver.

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Agree (4.00 / 3)
Her whole thing right now is she's the "Big State" winner.  Puncture that sucker with an Obama win here in PA (esp. if Obama wins WY and MS), and the supers will flee her like you-know-what from the proverbial sinking ship.  She may stick around for NC and IN (which I personally don't think are as safe an Obama bet as many others), but even if she wins there, her whole big state/electability claim is deflated (and yes, I know IN + NC > PA).  Not that she won't come up with another new one ("He's stinky and Snorey!  His own wife said so! Whom do you want to wake up next to at 3am?") but the hemorrhage of supers will make it all seem just kinda pathetic.

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NC is a safer Obama bet .. (0.00 / 0)
then IN .. though an IN win for Obama would be huge ... because it would prove Evan Bayh's worhtlessness

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But Hillary will win PA (4.00 / 1)
not only that, if she does its not decisive.

so really the language is, PA COULD BE decisive, if Obama wins, which is unlikely.

Making a big deal of PA this way really misses the bigger problem at hand, that its looking that this will drag out to the convention - at least so long as Hillary continues to use marginal performance as a reason to stay in. I'm glad Chris is excited, and I am glad Obama will give it a good fight there.

But I think the best strategy, and most realistic possibility, for a decisive victory for Obama would be to blunt PA as best as possible, but plan for a loss, and then work very hard for a decisive win (15%+ margin) in Indiana and a thrashing in NC.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


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Western PA (4.00 / 2)
The Western PA elements of the machine haven't lined up behind Hillary just yet.  

Pittsburgh's young Mayor Ravenstahl has an interesting balancing act...he's not exactly a darling of the small progressive slice of the city electorate, and he won his special election against a wonky John Heinz Republican thanks to the African-American vote and straight ticket pulling older folks (many of the progressives actually held their noses and voted Republican, if you can believe it).  If he goes all in for Hillary, part of his base may move away from him (though to where, I'm not sure).  This Obama  moment is actually an interesting opportunity for a newly forged alliance within the city between African-Americans and younger, college educated folks.

I sense there's not a ton of love for Hillary across Allegheny County, as folks I've talked with see her as kind of an opportunist -- Pittsburghers don't like those that put on airs n'at.  The region has its share of racist rubes, but I have a feeling the more they hear from Obama, the more they will like him, and that includes the older folks...  


As I just said in another thread... (4.00 / 1)
He'll take the city easily, but the county is going to be difficult.  He'll have appeal in Wilkinsburg, the African-American boroughs along the Mon, Fox Chapel, and Mount Lebanon.  I honestly don't see him going over well in places like Millvale, South Park, Dormont, or even Monroeville though.  It all comes down to if the turnout in the city is much higher than the turnout in the suburbs.  

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PA-4, PA-14 and PA-18 (4.00 / 4)
I've been looking at the likely support breakdowns over at the the Newshoggers by Congressional District as that is the relevant unit of analysis.  The three major SW PA districts are PA-4 (Rep. Altmire D-McCandless), PA-14 (Rep. Doyle D-Forest Hills) and PA-18 (Rep. Tim Murphy R-Upper St. Clair.)  Murtha's PA-12 has a tiny sliver of Allegheny County and snakes its way east and south into Westmoreland, and Washington Counties down towards Greene, but on the whole PA-12 is a Central or Mountain/Valley District.  

PA-14 is the Pittsburgh district.  It contains the entire city, a few eastern and northern older suburbs then a good chunk of the Mon. Valley --- the old Steel Valley.

It is a very reliable Democratic district with a large combination of African American base voters, Creative Class voters in Pittsburgh's East End, Southside and Mexican War Streets, and then lots of working class white Democrats who are a bit more conservative. There are very few Hispanics or other minorities in the district who are registered to vote.   If we assume Obama wins the African American vote 80-20 (which is a significant underperformance compared to all recent exit polls), and cleans up in the Creative Class voters, he just needs to avoid getting destroyed to win PA-14 and to win it handily to build up a nice 5:2 delegate advantage.  Additionally Rep. Mike Doyle has not yet committed his superdelegate vote and it seems like he is pledging to back the winner of his district.  So Obama could end up with a net +4 from this district.

PA-4 and PA-18 are relatively similiar districts.  Both are 5 delegate districts.  PA-4 stretches from the northern edge of Pittsburgh up the I-79 and Rte. 8 corridors for a good 40-50 miles and then goes west to Ohio.  PA-18 works the southern and some eastern Pittsburgh suburbs, and then works its way to the bottom of Washington County.  Both are older, blue collar industrial areas.  The dominant Democratic faction here are Reagan Democrats.  There are some towns such as Mt. Lebanon, Bethel Park and Upper St. Clair which are Creative Class strongholds but these areas should be Clinton strongholds.  The problem is that she needs to win 62.50001% of the vote to get a 3 delegate edge in each district against Obama.  That is going to be tough.  

So for the three Western PA districts, Clinton wins PA-4 and PA-18 by probably a max of 60:40, and splits the delegates 3:2, 3:2, for a net of 2.  I am not sure who Rep. Altmire (Pa-4) will give his superdelegate vote, so she could pick up a probable net of 2, and a max net of 3 in these two districts.

PA-14 probably goes Obama 60:40, giving him a 5:2 delegate edge, and he'll pick up Rep. Doyle's vote, for a +4 net in the district.  

In these 3 districts, Clinton probably wins the popular vote 52:48 or so, but is behind by 1 or 2 delegates.  


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Do delegates even matter anymore? (4.00 / 1)
What I'm wondering is, does the delegate breakdown even matter? Obama won the delegates in Texas, but it was played as a huge win for Clinton. So if, in PA, she, say, wins overall 56-44, but only picks up 8 delegates or something, won't the same thing happen again? The media will play it as a big Clinton win, and she'll claim her mandate to keep campaigning.

Of course, the delegates would matter if the issue were whether or not Clinton could win the nomination. But since Clinton cannot possibly win the nomination, the only question is how long the campaign will drag on. And if the results of March 4th are any indication, delegates are immaterial to that question.


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I just did a calculation... (0.00 / 0)
based upon the newshoggers site that fester linked to, and even if Obama loses the state by 5% (what I am expecting given present conditions), provided he gets a bare majority in the Philly burbs, and cleans up in Pittsburgh and the two urban Philly districts, he will win the state by two delegates even if he loses the statewide vote.  

But you're right, this wouldn't be counted as a "win."


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Delegates still matter, bc (0.00 / 0)
Clinton won't have a case if she hasn't closed the delegate gap, even if she wins in PA (and a few other states).  I think that we will actually be able to get a good sense of how important a pop vote victory in PA will be when we see how the press covers the upcoming races in WY and MS.  Assuming Obama wins them by decent margins, will the press talk about how those races cancel out March 4 in terms of delegates?  If so, they will probably do the same with the races in Indiana and North Carolina that come shortly after the PA race.  

I think that part of the reason TX was spun as a Clinton victory was that everyone was talking about whether Clinton would drop out if she lost the pop vote in TX.  So it was seen as a crucial measure, despite its irrelevance to the delegate count.  I imagine the same kind of narrative will be built up around the PA popular vote (though if the Obama campaign is smart, they will talk about Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina as a unit).  The question is, how will a Clinton win in PA be covered...

Also, we need to be thinking about how Florida (and maybe Michigan) are going to fit into this picture...


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How did Lynn Swann do there against Rendell? (0.00 / 0)


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We should still focus on pledged delegates (4.00 / 1)
I'm all for a contested primary in Pennsylvania, but aren't we missing the point of Obama's insurmountable pledged delegate lead?  It seems that the media is ignoring this reality right now by hyping a Clinton candidacy that has no chance of winning a majority of the pledged delegates.  Chris, I've appreciated your focus on the pledged delegates throughout this campaign.  But does hyping up Pennsylvania, and then leaving open the possibility of the campaign extending into the summer obscure the focus that Obama cannot lose his lead?

Politico and CNN seem to be having fantasies of a brokered convention, but I think the focus needs to be on continuing to hammer that CW with the pledged delegates argument.  Otherwise, superdelegates or the credentials committee could overturn the will of the primary electorate.


Don't expect the media to spend a lot of time on delegate count (4.00 / 2)
It's in their interest to keep this thing going as long as possible.  Indeed, the more paranoid among us would say that it is they who HAVE kept this thing going as long as it has.

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The media wants this to go on ... (0.00 / 0)
more $$ spent on ads ...  and the whole thing seems to draw more ratings as well .. and that is what they are all about at the end of the day

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Totally (0.00 / 0)
if the left blogs keep hammering on this point, then maybe that story can be pushed into the big media. the big media definitely and won't let a steady diet of this on blogs go un-addressed. Making PA the story gives Hillary everything she wants.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

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Hate to rain on your pep rally (4.00 / 1)
BUT, there are many thoughtful and long serving democrats out here who are excited at the prospect that Hillary might have a shot at reviving her candidacy. I'm from Minnesota and witnessed the mess that occurred here during the caucus process last month. Local papers reporting that people voted on post it notes, ballots running out during the caucus and extras being printed out by volunteers to meet demand. The headlines next day in the Star Tribune were telling in the call for a primary system needing to replace the caucus in place at this time. I have very little faith in the numbers that the Obama camp has put up in caucus states. Look at Texas, the Clinton camp took the primary by three points and the caucus (which is still being sorted out) was going to Obama by over 11-12 points. Lets be honest, this whole thing is a very big mess and unfortunately it will be left to the spin masters of both campaigns to convince the people of the party who is the legitimate heir to the throne. We continue to live in a 50/50 society, even within the democratic party. Why can't these two candidates do the bidding of the electorate and join each other in some form of power sharing? This is what should have happened with the Republican and Democratic parties after the 2000 election and it seems to be the will of the people now. Instead politics always seems to be a zero sum game that leaves one group on the outside looking in.
I'm not ashamed to support Clinton and can understand why Obama supporters are excited about their candidate. But why do we tolerate a system that discourages compromise when compromise is the very thing that is so desperately needed in this country?

Popular vote (4.00 / 1)
Setting aside the delegate count, Obama now leads the popular vote by about 585,000, or 51.1%.

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Fair enough on the compromise, but... (0.00 / 0)
from where I sit, all talk of a shared ticket has been coming from the Clinton camp, and has implicitly or explicitly been about Obama as VP.  If I had any faith that Clinton would be willing to serve as VP, then I would think it might make sense to start talking about sharing the ticket.  Otherwise, all the talk of sharing the ticket is just a cynical move to get people who like Obama to vote Clinton.  

Also: there is value in playing by the rules.  Even if the rules are archaic, at least they are a standard that both parties agreed to, and at least they are a clear standard... Neither of which would be true if we somehow decided to move the goalposts, throw out the caucus results, etc....


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I agree (0.00 / 0)
Clinton camp gamesmanship is behind their suggestions about a shared ticket at this point in time. What is troubling to me is that the winning of these campaigns is so much about exerting raw power, the power to appoint surrogates in government, the power to set national priorities when in office. Who in the democratic party is served by our inability to compromise when elections are so close? It seems to me that it is the small set of big money interests and political insiders that run these campaigns and not the voters. We just get whipped up and manipulated by the candidates and then ignored when the real business of governing begins. Power sharing and the hard work of compromise seems to be something people desire. It would provide a check to the winner take all syndrome that pervades politics and an example of coalition building that is absent from our political life today.  

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I hear you loud and clear on this... (0.00 / 0)
I talked to my mom about the primary last night (she is a huge Obama supporter), and she was saying: "why don't they just flip a coin about who is at the top of the ticket."  i think a lot of people feel this way -- they like both candidates (at least well enough), and they are worried about the campaign getting destructive and divisive....

the trouble is that both campaigns have been set up to win the primary.  that is their #1 goal.  it is really hard to see how they change their goal midstream, absent a huge campaign on behalf of power-sharing (and who would lead such a campaign?).  i can see it coming from party insiders come June... but that doesn't really address the democratic deficit that you are pointing out (and would, i think, risk severely alienating the supporters of the eventual VP nominee -- especially if these supporters thought their candidate had a better claim to the nomination).  so its a big mess at this point, as far as i can see....

i think that the most straightforward way to resolve the contest is for Obama to win PA (I'm with Chris on this).  it would be within the rules of the system, and would show pretty clearly that the voters (in a state that is more favorable to clinton) preferred Obama to be the nominee after a long and intensive election there.  a win in PA, coupled with his pledged delegate lead, and his likely wins in Indiana and North Carolina, would -- i think -- make him the clear choice for the nomination.  if he loses in PA though, this is going to get muddled, and i think we are probably looking at a joint ticket... the problem with this scenario is that i really don't have much faith at all that clinton would accept a VP position, and if Obama is ahead in delegates, it is hard to see how a whole bunch of his supporters wouldn't revolt if he is pushed aside and forced to accept a VP position...


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Senate Majority Leader (4.00 / 1)
I'd rather see Clinton as the Senate Majority Leader than VP and suspect she might feel the same way, but it would make a lot of sense to publicly offer her the VP.

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Without question Obama will NOT take HRC as VP (0.00 / 0)
Obama's not gonna fall for the banana in the tailpipe trick. It just ain't going to happen.

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What is to be done about Florida and Michigan? (0.00 / 0)
It really looks like the DNC wasn't expecting this race to go anywhere near the convention. They essentially swept the issue under the rug and declared that the issue would have to be resolved in committee at the convention. But if Clinton or Obama is able to decide the make-up of this committee and manipulate the delegate representation from these states it could potentially look very bad for the democratic party. How does this issue get solved before August? This looks like the real Pandora's box that the DMC will have to decide in the coming months. Who (whom) will be the honest broker in this campaign? We need a blue ribbon panel of Democrats to sort this whole thing out!

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Your thinking is so pre-3/4 (0.00 / 0)
I'm thinking it's the opposite: Dean has played this pitch perfectly. Two months ago, HRC and her supporters were demanding nothing less than MI and FL delegates being seated as is. Calls for new votes and compromises were met with disgusted, frenzied howls of rage. NEVER! was their cry. Seat those delegates now! People asked where is Howard Dean when you need him?!

All of a sudden FL, MI, and HRC realize that the clock is ticking and Dean isn't budging so they send him a nice note asking to seat their delegates to which he responds, quite reasonably, with very clear instructions on the multiple ways they have to fix this problem.

Now HRC and her supporters and the higher-ups in FL and MI appear very open to the idea of fixing this problem in the exact manner that Dean and Obamaites have been asking for since the beginning.

In other words, this was a game of chicken and HRC, FL, and MI have swerved. There will be no head-on collision.

The problem is being worked. And, as has been pointed out elsewhere, the credentials committee has been packed with Dean-ites, which means that whoever is not a supporter of HRC or Obama is likely to be a supporter of The Rules.

There are any number of compromise solutions that the candidates could end up supporting that do not involve a revote so if the lack of money eventually runs the revoting plans into a ditch, the problem will still likely get fixed.


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It isn't a compromise (0.00 / 0)
I understand that Clinton supporters, and even many Obama supporters do not see it this way, but for some of us the key element in this campaign is about 'Change'.

 It is not about change of gender or race in leadership, but about a change in the nature of leadership. Clinton's campaign, both explicitly and implicitly, has been about experience and continuity. It is about moving away from this iteration of Bush to the next iteration of Clinton. It is a change that has to do with the pendulum swinging back and forth between two traditional brokers of power.

 Obama holds out a different version of change that has nothing to do with building a bridge to 1996. I don't want to get too deep into the compare and contrast of their visions, but I want to impress upon you that for some Obama supporters, Obama legitimately looks like something new, and Clinton looks like a return to a DLC philosophy that we reject.

 The math from this perspective looks like this:

Pres. More of the Same + Vice President New Direction = More of the Same

 And that does not look like a compromise position at all. Even an Obama presidency, burdened with a Clinton cabinet and agenda, does not look like a change.

 It is not a particular man in office we want, it is about a direction we want to move the body politic. Allowing one foot to move forward on the condition that another remains planted ends a thousand mile journey on the first step.


[ Parent ]
Great post, Chris, and there is nothing ... (4.00 / 2)
...egocentric about telling us how you came to know what you know about Pennsylvania politics. This kind of thing in the MSM is called "feature writing," and once-upon-a-time it was quite excellent stuff.

As for the good or the bad in an extended campaign, I waver. A piece of me wants it to be over because I wonder if people who used to respect and throw flowers to each other (in progressive wwwLand) but now snarl and throw thorns will reembrace and get on with the business of remaking the Democratic Party at the local and state level. In other words, will the organizational coattails of the presidential campaign that has fired up so many young people (I use the term to describe all you under-50ers) actually translate into a Democratic landslide like '32, not just in Congress but well beyond, presaging a better day, a more progressive future, ahead?

Or will the bitterness we're seeing now remain a suppurating wound, incapable of healing and thus delivering us to a fate worse than '68, '72 and '80?

I just can't decide.


Bipolar myself (4.00 / 2)
On this question I go up and down.  Right now I think it is going to get ugly, but then the Clintons may have an interest in getting the focus off their finances and sources of income, so some sort of mild truce will be declared.  If Obama can come out of this a better candidate, with more and more battle-hardened troops, it will all have been worth it.  If Hillary wins, we will know she will be at least as ruthless against McCain.  Either way, McCain will get hit harder later, when it really counts.

As for people making peace afterwards, I think that the on-going problems, particualrly the structural economic problems and climate change, are so serious that people can't afford to kick back the way they did in so much of the '80s and '90s, allowing the GOP to get such a foothold.  Besides, on the congressional level, with the GOP campaign committee stealing from itself and corporate donors seeing the writing on the wall, we will see a stronger and more progressive Congress, and people will be demanding a level of change from their leaders that just wasn't there from our side in the '80s and '90s.  

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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Remember the Dean campaign (0.00 / 0)
I think it'll be okay if they handle the post-primary phase halfway decently, whenever it happens. The campaign against Dean was pretty nasty (we haven't seen any ads comparing either candidate to bin Laden yet) but when he told all us Deaniacs to get involved in our local parties and work to elect Kerry, lots of us did. That's how I got seriously involved in politics, so I speak from experience somewhat comparable to this year's newcomers. From everything I've heard, it was a huge infusion of new energy in a lot of local parties.

That campaign didn't last as long as this one, but there was still plenty of nastiness and bitterness. If the losing campaign follows the Dean path and urges their supporters to stay involved, I think the bitterness will mostly be set aside. It'll still come up at gripe sessions of the former supporters, but more as proud scars of battle than bitter grudges.

The only thing that really concerns me is a campaign that doesn't win the delegate count mounting a convention fight for the nomination (especially if the FL and MI do-over happens.) However, I think the superdelegates are savvy enough to see how bad that would be, too, and won't go along with it.


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surveyusa just released new electoral map projections (0.00 / 0)
if the vote were held 'today'.  Obama would win but he'd lose PA,NJ, but win ND, VA, NV and some others.  It's interesting data.  
I think Clinton is trying to paint Obama as the slick upstart black guy that white, blue collar voters need to view with suspicion.  Some work to do in PA, I'm confident you'll be sucessful.

Obama .. (0.00 / 0)
won't lose NJ ...  but he might lose PA(though I doubt it)

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provides insight to which voters toggle (0.00 / 0)
between Obama and Clinton.  for Obama, the key is to figure out where the seeds of doubt lay that makes them flip from him to Clinton etc.  But now it's time to focus on winning a majority of Democrats in PA.

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Hit Hillary on (0.00 / 0)
(1) NAFTA.  She pandered in Ohio, but now we find that her people were whispering to the Canadians too.  

(2) Her finances and her and Bill's sources of income.  people don't usually  give $500,000 to $1 mil donations and expect nothing but smiles in return.  If she accuses him of acting like Ken Starr, he just has to say that was sex but this is money, and people have a right to know who's been doing them monetary favors even if the private life is something separate.

(3)  Then he has to make a real pitch to the working class on health care, tax fairness, infrastructure rebuilding (jobs) and education assistance, and stress that the real problem with Iraq is that it makes any domestic programs very difficult because of the cost.  Kicking ass abroad is stupid if it just makes you break your own leg.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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So you say you're vetted (0.00 / 0)
Obama needs to prove he can fight.  His theme towards Clinton should become "oh, so you say you're already vetted... are you sure?"

The Clintons where never rich before, now they are multi-millionaires.  Where did the money come from.  Let's see those tax returns.

Bill is getting hundreds of millions of dollars for his charity to help a mining company contract in Kazakhstan.

The Saudi family is payed millions for the Clinton library, I understand.

There is a ton of stuff out there that is new and different that the Republicans will pounce on if given the chance.  Obama doesn't even need to make the case any of this is legit, just that it is new and will be used against her.


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Marc Rich? (4.00 / 1)
I remember that Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich on the last day of his presidency. Wasn't Rich a big money contributor to the Clintons? How much of this money made its way to Hillary's Senate campaign?

I don't know the answer to these questions. Does anybody know whether Obama can legitimately raise this issue?


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link (0.00 / 0)
link

Not having an electoral calculator in my head, I'm not sure how these correlate to final results.  Both maps have too much red.


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The thing to keep in mind (0.00 / 0)
As always with electoral maps, it's important to keep in mind that square miles don't count, votes do. Republicans tend to win states with a lot of area but low population, so they love to show off maps of how red the country looks. It's also why they constantly try to dismiss the coasts (where most of the population is) as not being "the real America."

Just more Republican lies; don't be fooled by the illusion. (Also don't be fooled by national polls, which are still pretty meaningless this far out.)


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Hmm (4.00 / 1)
As long as the campaign stays clean...

Isn't that magical thinking?


it's the audacity of hope. nt (4.00 / 1)


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Personal information (0.00 / 0)
My Dad has a PhD from Buffalo.  

Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, and lightness has a call that's hard to hear.  

national popular vote please (0.00 / 0)
We've managed to reverse the usual primary process, so now you have states that vote at the end being given more significance than states that voted earlier. It disgusts me the way states that vote late like Pennsylvania are somehow considered to be more important than states like Georgia where I live that voted on Super Tuesday. Even if Clinton wins Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania, so what? That shouldn't make us ignore what the rest of the country did previously. The whole thing is getting as dumb as the electoral college. Can we just select the nominee (and the President) based on the national popular?

Support the National Popular Vote Compact! (0.00 / 0)
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Hah. (0.00 / 0)
   You write the absolute inverse post of Jerome Armstrong.  The only difference is that you have credibility.

John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

Obama doesn't "have" to win (4.00 / 1)
Chris--I'm enjoying the Pennsylvania/Bowers back story a lot, so keep it up.  But I think you're setting the bar too high for Obama by saying that he has to win it.  I don't think he does have to win it, and demographically it's very much like Ohio.
Of course Clinton drew her line in the sand with Ohio, because if she couldn't win there--and in Pennsylvania--she wasn't going to win anywhere else.  By the same logic, though, it's not the most favorable state for a do-or-die faceoff for Obama.
If Obama wins in PA, the race is effectively over--but he doesn't have to win there.   He has to stay close, and win elsewhere (MS, NC, OR).  Clinton has to win PA.
[One historical note, just fyi--the Jesse Jackson '88 campaign was only 20 years ago, and we had many, many huge rallies that far exceeded 4,000 people.]

He has to win PA to knock her out (0.00 / 0)
Not necessary to win the nomination itself, but he has to win on her turf to end it in May.  That's the point.  Otherwise it goes into the summer and she argues that the real (big state) momentum is with her and she peels off the supers and some of his pledged delegates.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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Chris (0.00 / 0)
Chris, it's hard to take you seriously as an objective journalist (if that is even your intent, at least in part). The overwhelming tinge of your post is that Obama has essentially already claimed the nomination because he will have at least a 40% stake in every remaining contest, which would keep his pledged delegate lead relatively intact. Your over-reliance on this numbers game has clouded your judgment and fueled your emotional investment in Obama's winning the nomination.

My question to you is: What will do when FL & MI are added back without do-overs and Clinton takes the lead in the popular vote and clinches the nomination with supers? Will you leave the Party and stop contributing to this blog? I hope not.


lol.... is this meant to be a joke? (0.00 / 0)
so chris is biased because he recognizes that obama will have a significant pledged delegate lead at the end of the process, and that -- based on the rules of the primary -- this is the most important fact in determining the nominee?  the facts do seem to have a pro-obama bias this year...

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What is significant? (0.00 / 0)
1 delegate to some I suspect is significance enough.

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FL and MI are not going to get added 'as is' (0.00 / 0)
Dean has made it very clear that he intends to have people stick to the rules. That gives FL and MI two options.

1. They can submit plans to the DNC for a revote. This would certainly get approved.

2. They can submit the current delegate allocation to the credentials committee and live with the outcome. Since the committee is stacked with Dean backers, it's unlikely they'll go against the 'follow the rules' line Dean has been emphasizing from the start. So they either don't get seated at all or the committee goes back the the 50% penalty in the original rules.

Actually, there's a third option but that would require Clinton to have a majority of delegates without counting MI and FL. In that case, it doesn't matter.

With regards to assuming Obama gets 40% in the remaining primaries, that's being very conservative. He's only had three states where he didn't crack that barrier (AR, OK, NH) and two of them had significant votes for Edwards. Clinton has had that problem in a number of primaries (DC, GA, IL, LA, MD, NH, SC, VT and VA). I'd be more worried that Clinton won't meet that threshold than I would about Obama.


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Great report Chris (0.00 / 0)
I would be interested in more reporting on the larger progressive/reform movement in PA and how you think they will swing. I'm exited for PA.

Also I counted 15 volunteer created voter registration events on Obama's website. Once staff is there and working I expect a MAJOR push for that and I agree, that is one of the key parts of deciding this campaign.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


Pennsylvania (0.00 / 0)
Chris,

You're one of the great bloggers, but I respectfully submit that you're off the mark in thinking that Obama needs a win in PA.  Sure, it would be nice if he slam-dunked it.  But I've read numerous analyses of where his pledged delegate lead is likely to be going into the convention, and that leaves me convinced that he is going to be the nominee.  The only scenario that has Hillary winning the prize involves the superdelegates voting to trump Obama's lead in earned delegates.  And if that happens, the shit will hit the fan in the Democratic Party.  It will take decades for us to regain the trust of the African-American and youth components of the Party.  And frankly, a lot of the 'worker bee' types like myself will be so discouraged that the Party will lose a great deal of its grassroots energy.  I'm quite surprised that a number of smart progressive bloggers (Jerome Armstrong among them) don't get this.  We have a looming trainwreck on the horizon, IMHO.  Here's the math, as outlined by Jonathan Alter--

http://www.newsweek.com/id/119...



I think you've misread Chris (0.00 / 0)
He's saying that Obama has a chance to put it away and avoid having the race being decided at the convention, not that he needs to win:

In the end, maybe it won't matter. Maybe the delegates will basically split down the middle, and Obama will continue to slog forward down the path of mathematic victory on which he currently seems headed.

In short, I think you and Chris are actually on the same page here.


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Travel (4.00 / 1)
Hopefully, my work schedule (and greater proximity) will allow me to travel to PA for Obama, unlike Texas and Ohio. Any suggestions about where an outsider could do the most good? Obviously, the campaign is going to direct most of this, but I'd welcome any insights in case I'm given a choice.

I think that, regardless of how you do it, voter reg. (0.00 / 0)
over the next few weeks (before the 24th) is possibly the most important thing you can do.  There will be canvassing later on, but i really can't see how obama wins PA if a whole bunch of new people don't register as dems between now and march 24th.  

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Ask the campaign (0.00 / 0)
They will tell you. I would guess the Philly Burbs or Pitt.

And if you can do it before March 24th for voter registration.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


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pennsylvania (0.00 / 0)
redshift-

Thanks-  I may have not read Chris' post carefully enough.

I'm so pissed off that everyone seems to be conceding that Hillary had a big night on Tuesday that my vision may be somewhat dysfunctional....

I think she barely broke even and is hanging on by her fingernails with a whole lot of help from the MSM and too many liberal bloggers.


Or maybe (0.00 / 0)
Or maybe you were thinking of his previous post, entitled "Obama Needs To Win Pennsylvania". ;-) I had missed that one.

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