Sunday Morning Segregation: Peggy Noonan & The Wright Stuff

by: Living Liberally

Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 22:50


by Kerry Trueman, Eating Liberally

The "Reverend Wright is Wrong" refrain has been repeated endlessly this past week as pundits on both sides weigh in on the racial and religious controversy that's rocked the Obama campaign. Martin Luther King, Jr. touched on this not-so-divine divide 45 years ago:

"We must face the fact that in America, the church is still the most segregated major institution in America. At 11:00 on Sunday morning when we stand and sing and Christ has no east or west, we stand at the most segregated hour in this nation."  

Sunday morning in our household is, by contrast, the one time during the week when we suspend our secular segregation and tune in to the hot air from beltway blowhards on both sides of the partisan divide. On rare occasions, we even agree with an aside from George Will or a point made by Pat Buchanan.

But Wall Street Journal pundit Peggy Noonan literally gave us pause on Meet the Press yesterday when she responded to a question from Tim Russert about Obama's seminal speech so reasonably that we had to grab the remote, rewind, and relisten:

Living Liberally :: Sunday Morning Segregation: Peggy Noonan & The Wright Stuff
Tim Russert: Is Obama uniquely situated to talk bluntly to both the white community and the black community?

 

Peggy Noonan:  Maybe he's situated to speak with a certain sensitivity.  He's a black man.  He also is white.  He is both.  That means he has experience of both communities, if that isn't too clunky a word to use.  Let me take--say, Tim, I thought one of the most important things that he did in his speech was talk about racism even though he started with slavery, and that was a long time ago.  He talked about racism as a generational problem, as a problem that had changed over the years.  He said Reverend Wright came from the Jim Crow days, he came from another America, and he was shaped and misshapen by that dreadful cultural arrangement of Jim Crow.

Younger black people and younger white people do not have the same experiences.  They have to understand each other, they have to mark their progress, they have to, on both sides, stop using the past as an excuse not to get along or, or not to change and improve. So I haven't heard anybody say that in, in politics in some time in America. I thought it was a real insight, really smart and the beginning of a wonderful start-off point for, for more talk.

Let me say something else, though.  It seems to me, every time I look at a YouTube of Reverend Wright talking and doing his thing and saying his strange things, I notice two things.  One is that the people behind him look bored. Another is that frequently, not always, but when they pan to the crowd, his audience looks almost passive, like we are receiving this, we're hearing this, we know what's going on.  It seemed to me that in his statements, Wright was not just extreme, radical--we all know the words to say, because they are true--but that he was a throwback.  He was old-fashioned.  He himself was the voice of yesterday.

And I was wondering about the extent to which that audience and people like Barack and Michelle Obama know he is yesterday, and yet he has some wonderful things within him as a human being.  I just throw that open as a possibility.

Upon hearing this, my husband Matt and I looked at each other in absolute amazement. To hear Noonan, a former Reagan speechwriter, give the kind of response that you'd expect from, say, Donna Brazile, was a minor Easter miracle, a resurrection of rationality after a week of crucifixion from conservatives.


Originally posted on TakePart.com.


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And that's a testament (4.00 / 5)
of how powerful Obama's candidacy could be about potentially moving the country to the left.

Let me elaborate on that (4.00 / 2)
One thing Hillary supporters celebrated about the Wright story - and I admit for a moment I was sad about it too - is that it showed his talk of unity was "hogwash" and in the end he would be treated like any other Democratic candidate. And surely it marked the end of the relative clemency of some Republican circles towards him.
But somehow by the time of the speech, for every two wingnuts who went on and on and on about Wright in a frenzied and irrational manner, there was a Noonan, a Murray, smart Republicans, who while disagreeing with Obama on the issues defended him and explained how they admired his courage and speech.
But isn't that the proof Obama CAN work his magic. Noone ever believed all Dem. and Reps would join hands and sing kumbaya. But if he can woo a third of Republicans to his side by making his pitch honestly and intelligently (while President) that's much more than he needs to be effectively bipartisan while not giving up on Democratic ideals.
In the end, this reinforced my belief in his message. Like Reagan who attracted respect by some Democrats, I think he has the power to get a section of the Republicans to back down while he moves to the left. They won't disarm of course but once again all he needs is for some of them to recognize his power (literal and figurative)

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you move the country to the left by declaring leftists a thing of the past? (4.00 / 1)
Uhhhh, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

And anyway, when did Obama get to be any kind of leftist?  I missed that one.  I thought he was what they call a "centrist" , shorthand for a right wing Democrat.

The DLC thought so too, quite early in his career, when they awarded him their blessing in 2003, as one of their "100 to Watch".

"If you want that good feeling that comes from doing things for other people, then you have to pay for it in abuse and misunderstanding..."
Zora Neale Hurston


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Perhaps she'll soon join John Dean (0.00 / 0)
...and proclaim that the political center has drifted more towards the right and now she's also left of center.

Cheap snark aside, there's probably some truth to that: She has been (gently) critical of Republicans.

In any case, the transcript and her comments are refreshing.  Hopefully her positive comments about Obama are representative of many in the GOP--and that the type of GOP cross-over endorsements that occurred for Kerry in 2004 will increase for Obama in 2008.


Read a few of her recent columns in each Saturday's wsj (0.00 / 0)
You'll be surprised.  She hasn't swung left, but she's very nuanced and rational.  Some columns have more new insights or turns of phrase per inch than you'll see anywhere...

Sorry, But No (4.00 / 1)
As long as black America is in an endless recession, folks like Noonan only wish he was yesterday.

And comparing Noonan to Dean, as one commentator did, is downright hallucinatory.

Dean turned his back on those folks over 30 years ago.  Noonan is still one of them.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Thank you (0.00 / 0)
Noonan doesn't live in the black community. I do. Wright does.  The only part of that she gets right is that this is not  Jim Crow. No, but it ain't color blind either. Yes, we younger blacks realize that this isn't Jim Crow. As my friend said to me once, we don't need more marches on Washington. We need march in with your checkbook.  

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You Know, (0.00 / 0)
(and I'm sure you do) they said the same sorts of things when Booker T. Washington spoke, too.

Just replace "Jim Crow" with "slavery" and the script reads exactly the same.

So, who's going to be our W.E.B. Du Bois?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I am not looking to repeat the past (0.00 / 0)
The problem has been that we didn't see this for what it is- hide the ball. Sure, things have progressed, but that progression doesn't justify where we are at now. It only indicates things can change. Not that they will change. My problem looking to "black leaders" for solutions for this is that it's not clear this is the nature of the problem. The problem isn't per se political in the sense that politics can aid us in the resolution, but it won't be the central driver. The central drivers are cultural and economic. Those two things are influenced by the political culture, but the political culture (unlike say with Jim Crow) aren't solvable in terms of what has come before us.  

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Sorry I Wasn't More Clear... (0.00 / 0)
That last line, "So, who's going to be our W.E.B. Du Bois?" wan't meant to be pining for a great leader.

It was meant to be like a line in a movie, where all the young kids get excited, jump up and down and say, "I will! I will!"

And, of course it's going to be more complex and difficult to come to grips with.  Just as Jim Crow was more complex and difficult to come to grips with than was slavery before it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You make a really valid point at the end (0.00 / 0)
The issue is as my con law professor once said: they keep playing a game of hide the ball. Once you think the ball is in one place, it moves to another, and so on, and so on. That's why people now can say with sincerity "I wasn't response for slavery, or Jim Crow" when people get stuck on that history. Yes, they weren't responsible for past discrimination, but that doesn't answer what's happening at the moment and addresses how all of it past and present and the morphing of discrimination is interrelated. In other words- its a cope out.  

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With a little yes on the side (0.00 / 0)
Your point of the endless recession is completely correct, of course.  Hopefully, the next generation will be much closer to the one Noonan thinks we have now.

But that doesn't change the fact that today is nothing like the Jim Crow days.  There is nothing contradictory in recognizing the gains made, the real difference felt by different generations, and also recognizing how far we have to go.

If you judge our racial harmony by what you see on tv commercials, you are bound to get the wrong impression.  But if you tried it 30 years ago you would think the entire country was only white with a single, crying Indian.  Such is improvement.


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Not Enough Has Changed (0.00 / 0)
Just the fact that Wright and Obama have been attacked so vigorously in the press over the past two weeks proves that not much has changed.  It reminded me of a KKK lynching, just without the rope and the tree! Ask Obama now if he thinks Wright is living in the past.  He may have thought so before this all happened, but not now.  

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