Obama's Dignitarian Foreign Policy

by: Paul Rosenberg

Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 15:02


Yesterday, Spencer Ackerman published an important article on Barack Obama's foreign policy at the The American Prospect, " The Obama Doctrine," which had as one of its main themes the role of "dignity promotion" in Obama's thinking.  Ackerman's focus is on Obama's foreign policy advisors (including the recently-departed Samantha Power, whose importance in understanding where Obama is coming from remains undiminshed, as she, unlike his other advisers, has already worked closely with him, serving in his Senate office for a year)/  All the adivisors share something in common-regardless of where they come from, all opposed the Iraq War, and weathered absurd, wrong-headed criticism as a result.

What Ackerman's article does-reason enough to set it well above anything similar-is take the next step and ask, "Where does this lead to next?  What are the common factors underlying being right about Iraq, and how do they prefigure a different approach to foreign policy in the future?"  The answers to this show significant promise that Obama's foreign policy thinking appears most similar to Clinton's only in the short run, if withdrawing from Iraq is the whole enchilada. But when the focus broadens, and turns to the future beyond Iraq, the differences become much clearer.

"Dignity promotion" is, to me, far and away the most promising aspect discussed, but it is far from the sole focus.  Still, it represents a vital departure from current thinking.  The question remains, however-how serious would it really be?  There were, after all, strains of such thinking in John F. Kennedy's foreign policy (the Alliance for Progress, the Peace Corps), as well as Jimmy Carter's (human rights).  Focusing attention on this promise now, and making it part of a wider dialogue is one way we can strengthen the possibility that it will really take root.  To that end, let's take a look at some passages in Ackerman's article....

Paul Rosenberg :: Obama's Dignitarian Foreign Policy
Let us begin with the following:

If Clinton's response on Iraq sounds familiar, that's because it's structurally identical to the defensive crouch John Kerry assumed in 2004: Voting against the war wasn't a mistake; the mistakes were all George W. Bush's, and bringing the war to a responsible conclusion requires a wise man or woman with military credibility. In that debate, Obama offered an alternative path. Ending the war is only the first step. After we're out of Iraq, a corrosive mind-set will still be infecting the foreign-policy establishment and the body politic. That rot must be eliminated.

Hard to argue with that from a reality-based, DFH perspective.  But where does it lead to?  Laying the groundwork methodically, Ackerman gradually turns in that direction:

Obama is offering the most sweeping liberal foreign-policy critique we've heard from a serious presidential contender in decades. It cuts to the heart of traditional Democratic timidity. "It's time to reject the counsel that says the American people would rather have someone who is strong and wrong than someone who is weak and right," Obama said in a January speech. "It's time to say that we are the party that is going to be strong and right." (The Democrat who counseled that Americans wanted someone strong and wrong, not weak and right? That was Bill Clinton in 2002.)

But to understand what Obama is proposing, it's important to ask: What, exactly, is the mind-set that led to the war? What will it mean to end it? And what will take its place?

To answer these questions, I spoke at length with Obama's foreign-policy brain trust, the advisers who will craft and implement a new global strategy if he wins the nomination and the general election. They envision a doctrine that first ends the politics of fear and then moves beyond a hollow, sloganeering "democracy promotion" agenda in favor of "dignity promotion," to fix the conditions of misery that breed anti-Americanism and prevent liberty, justice, and prosperity from taking root. An inextricable part of that doctrine is a relentless and thorough destruction of al-Qaeda. Is this hawkish? Is this dovish? It's both and neither -- an overhaul not just of our foreign policy but of how we think about foreign policy. And it might just be the future of American global leadership.

Given the past 30 years of domestic history, it'd also be nice to be concerned about the forces that "prevent liberty, justice, and prosperity from taking root" here at home, particularly as we stand on the potential brink of a major economic meltdown.  If Obama were articulating a comprehensive vision like that....  But, back to reality.  On foreign policy, at least, this really is something new, and worth supporting.

Ackerman goes on to explain these advisors come from a wide range of different places,

Yet they form a committed, intellectually coherent, and surprisingly united foreign-affairs team....

They also share a formative experience with each other and with Obama. Each opposed the Iraq War at a time when doing so was derided by their colleagues, by journalists, and by the foreign-policy establishment. Each did so because they understood that the invasion and occupation ran counter to the goal of destroying al-Qaeda. And each bore the frustration of endless lectures on their lack of so-called seriousness from those who suffered from strategic myopia.

"There is a popular notion that Democrats have to try to appear like Republicans to pass some test on national security. The fact that that's still the case after Iraq is absurd," says one of Obama's closest advisers. "So you break from that orthodoxy and say 'I don't care if the Republicans attack me because I'm willing to meet with the leadership in Iran. We haven't for 25 years, and it's not gotten us anywhere.'"

Most of the members of Obama's foreign-policy team expressed frustration that they had taken a well-considered and seemingly anodyne position on Iraq and suffered for it....

The Obama foreign-policy team describes it as "the politics of fear," a phrase most advisers used unprompted in our conversations. "For a long time we've not seen much creative thinking from Dems on national security, because, out of fear, we want to be a little different from the Republicans but not too different, out of fear of being labeled weak or indecisive," another top adviser says. Identifying that fear as the accelerant of the Iraq War mind-set is the first step to a new and innovative foreign policy. John Kerry was not able to argue for fundamental change in foreign policy because he was consumed by that very political fear. Obama's admonition to Democrats is much like Pope John Paul II's to the Gdansk shipyard strikers -- first, be not afraid.

All is not sweetness and light with this approach, however.  I'm a little less neutral than Ackerman (at least in his reporting role here), when it comes to the following:

Sarah Sewall, a Harvard professor and another of Obama's closest advisers, also knows about stepping outside of her comfort zone. A longtime human-rights advocate with the disarmament organization, the Council for a Livable World, Sewall found herself in 2005 and 2006 with an unlikely partner: Gen. David Petraeus. He and two colleagues were rewriting the Army and Marine field manual for counterinsurgency and wanted Sewall's input on how to create a more just, humane, and successful doctrine. For agreeing to help, she was attacked by some on the left. "Should a human-rights center at the nation's most prestigious university be collaborating with the top U.S. general in Iraq in designing the counterinsurgency doctrine behind the current military surge?" Tom Hayden wrote online in The Huffington Post.

This, too, recalls Kennedy's fascination with the details of counterinsurgency and special ops as an alternative to nuclear-focused thinking of the Eisenhower Administration.

There is, I think, a very large grey area covered in the following transitional passage:

Sewall's involvement may have lost her some influence within the academic left, but she has become a hero to the military's growing circle of counterinsurgency theorist-practitioners. "Her impact on the thinking about the war and the conduct of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has been significant and not without cost," says Army Lt. Col. John Nagl, one of the counterinsurgency community's luminaries. "She has shown, in my eyes, great moral courage. I think Senator Obama is listening to someone who has thought long and hard about the use of force and who understands the kinds of wars we're fighting today."

The ultimate question will be how we set the balance.  The ultimate counterinsurgency strategy is simply to treat people fairly in the first place, so it never occurs to them that they should fight you.  Indeed, in his better moments, John F. Kennedy seemed to clearly recognize this: "Those who make non-violent revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."   But that awareness clearly did not always prevail.  Still, it seems that at their best, Obama's advisors have thought more deeply about such matters, as can be seen in this extended passage that contains the clearest expression of the role of dignity in Obama's foreign policy thinking:

This ability to see the world from different perspectives informs what the Obama team hopes will replace the Iraq War mind-set: something they call dignity promotion. "I don't think anyone in the foreign-policy community has as much an appreciation of the value of dignity as Obama does," says Samantha Power, a former key aide and author of the groundbreaking study of U.S. foreign policy and genocide, A Problem From Hell. "Dignity is a way to unite a lot of different strands [of foreign-policy thinking]," she says. "If you start with that, it explains why it's not enough to spend $3 billion on refugee camps in Darfur, because the way those people are living is not the way they want to live. It's not a human way to live. It's graceless -- an affront to your sense of dignity."

During Bush's second term, a strange disconnect has arisen in liberal foreign-policy circles in response to the president's so-called "freedom agenda." Some liberals, like Matthew Yglesias in his book Heads In The Sand, note the insincerity of the administration's stated goal of exporting democracy. Bush, they observe, only targets for democratization countries that challenge American hegemony. Other liberal foreign-policy types, such as Thomas Carothers and Marina Ottaway of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, insist the administration is sincere but too focused on elections without supporting the civil-society institutions that sustain democracy. Still others, like Kenneth Roth of Human Rights Watch, contend that a focus on democracy in the developing world without privileging the protection of civil and political rights is a recipe for a dangerous illiberalism.

What's typically neglected in these arguments is the simple insight that democracy does not fill stomachs, alleviate malaria, or protect neighborhoods from marauding bands of militiamen. Democracy, in other words, is valuable to people insofar as it allows them first to meet their basic needs. It is much harder to provide that sense of dignity than to hold an election in Baghdad or Gaza and declare oneself shocked when illiberal forces triumph. "Look at why the baddies win these elections," Power says. "It's because [populations are] living in climates of fear." U.S. policy, she continues, should be "about meeting people where they're at. Their fears of going hungry, or of the thug on the street. That's the swamp that needs draining. If we're to compete with extremism, we have to be able to provide these things that we're not [providing]."

This is why, Obama's advisers argue, national security depends in large part on dignity promotion. Without it, the U.S. will never be able to destroy al-Qaeda. Extremists will forever be able to demagogue conditions of misery, making continued U.S. involvement in asymmetric warfare an increasingly counterproductive exercise -- because killing one terrorist creates five more in his place. "It's about attacking pools of potential terrorism around the globe," Gration says. "Look at Africa, with 900 million people, half of whom are under 18. I'm concerned that unless you start creating jobs and livelihoods we will have real big problems on our hands in ten to fifteen years."

Obama sees this as more than a global charity program; it is the anvil against which he can bring down the hammer on al-Qaeda. "He took many of the [counterinsurgency] principles -- the paradoxes, like how sometimes you're less secure the more force is used -- and looked at it from a more strategic perspective," Sewall says. "His policies deal with root causes but do not misconstrue root causes as a simple fix. He recognizes that you need to pursue a parallel anti-terrorism [course] in its traditional form along with this transformed approach to foreign policy." Not for nothing has Obama received private advice or public support from experts like former Clinton and Bush counterterrorism advisers Richard Clarke and Rand Beers, and John Brennan, the first chief of the National Counterterrorism Center.

Make no mistake, this is still, at bottom, a hardnosed, pragmatically-driven foreign policy.  Which is why, elsewhere, Obama calls for increasing the size of the US military.  But at least it's, ahem, (dare we say?) reality-based.

Yet, it would also be reality-based to take a much more generous, much more self-critical approach, as George Kennan actually suggested in his "Long Telegram," as I discussed in my early November diaries, "Cut Points In The Foreign Policy Domain: Obama's Questionable Strategy" and "Where's Obama? Questioning v Reinforcing [Foreign Policy] CW #3 (Political Duality of Rep v Dem 6c) ".  In those two diaries, I referenced an incisive article by Efstathios T. Fakiolas, "Kennan's Long Telegram and NSC-68: A Comparative Analysis,".  As I wrote in the second one:

In a remarkable paper, "Kennan's Long Telegram and NSC-68: A Comparative Analysis," East European Quarterly, Vol. 31, no. 4, January 1998, Efstathios T. Fakiolas analyzed two key documents from the formative days of the Cold War.  Kennan's Long Telegram, which first formulated a comprehensive picture of the Soviet threat, and laid the foundations for the doctrine of containment, and NSC-68, the national security directive primarily authored by Paul Nitze, which formed the blueprint for how the US fought the Cold War throughout most of its duration.

Fakiolas used the framework of foreign policy realism for his analysis, but he determined that the two documents employed significantly different models within that tradition.  Although they seemed to many people to be kindred documents, Fakiolas uncovers striking differences.  I'm going to do a separate diary delving deeper into his argument, but the bottom line for us now is this:  Kennan's Long Telegram and Nitze's NSC-68 appear similar, they depend on different models of international relations within the same realist tradition.

Kennan relied on the "tectonic plates" model, in which there many other non-state actors, the world is not "zero-sum," and there is often opportunity for mutual cooperation.  Nitze relied on the billiard ball model, which sees the international system as "composed solely of egoistic sovereign states interested in maximizing their relative power capabilities at the expense of others," and sees "world politics is a 'zero-sum' game in which national security conceived of in military and territorial terms is the one and only states' national objective."

As a result, Kennan favored a strategy of containment that emphasized strengthening the West socially, economically and culturally, addressing its flaws which the Soviets exposed.  In contrast, Nitze ignored issues of the Wests internal flaws, and focused almost exclusively on military force to combat the Soviet Union.

It's my own observation, based on this analysis, that we fought Nitze's Cold War, but we won Kennan's.  It was not, in the end, our military strength that defeated the Soviet Union, it was the appeal of our culture of openness and freedom.  The history of Eastern European resistance movements, especially in Checkoslavakia and Poland, makes this abundantly clear.  Through their influence on dissident culture, Frank Zappa and Lou Reed did more to win the Cold War than any division of tanks ever did-or even a wing of nuclear armed B-52 bombers.

Specifically, in the final, recommendations section of "The Long Telegram", Kennan wrote:

(3) Much depends on health and vigor of our own society. World communism is like malignant parasite which feeds only on diseased tissue. This is point at which domestic and foreign policies meets Every courageous and incisive measure to solve internal problems of our own society, to improve self-confidence, discipline, morale and community spirit of our own people, is a diplomatic victory over Moscow worth a thousand diplomatic notes and joint communiqués. If we cannot abandon fatalism and indifference in face of deficiencies of our own society, Moscow will profit--Moscow cannot help profiting by them in its foreign policies.

In this passage, Kennan goes significantly farther than Obama, at least so far, has been willing to go.  He sees a direct relationship between a courageous willingness to confront out own shortcomings, and our ability to succeed in the most challenging foreign policy struggles that confront us.  Indeed, there is the clear sense here that a foreign policy threat can be used, aikido-like for the benefit of improving our own society, so that we do a better job of realizing our own ideals.

And, in a comment to the first diary, I wrote:

If Obama took Kennan's approach, he could write a really good law review-styled piece for Foreign Affairs, just to make them happy, and then he could tell the American people:
    "We're the greatest country on Earth. Bin Laden is just a guy hidding out in a cave. He wants us to come down to his level, and Bush is more than happy to do it. I'm not.

    We will win our struggle with terrorism because we will not terrorize people in return. We will win them over with trust and dialogue. We will be vigilant--but not vigilantees. We will uphold the rule of law--not throw it away in craven immitation of those cowards who attack innocents among us."

You think that wouldn't create some political pressure???

Clearly, I think, Obama is not coming anywhere close to this point, which is really just a present-day rearticulation of Kennan's outlook in "The Long Telegram."  Nothing remotely radical or "out there" about it.  Obama's focus on dignity promotion does go beyond Kennan's explicit recommendations, but it is fundamentally consistent with the spirit of what Kennan advised.  It represents a significant deepening of thought-one that I think is vitally important.  But Obama's failure to articulate a coherent dignitarian framework for domestic as well as foreign policy shows that he has a less systematic, less confidently self-critical view of America and its place in the world than George Kennan did.  And since no one thinks of George Kennan as any sort of radical, it is clear that neither is Barack Obama.

Back to Ackerman's article:

The Obama foreign-affairs brain trust balks at the suggestion that what it's proposing is radical. "He said we'd take out al-Qaeda's senior leadership in the Pakistani tribal areas if Pakistan will not. That's not, to me, a revolutionary policy," Rhodes says. "Watching him get attacked on the right is absurd. You've got guys who argued for a massive invasion and occupation of a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 criticizing him for advocating the use of highly targeted force to kill Osama bin Laden!"

Rhodes is referring, of course, to John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, who recently asked of Obama, "Will we risk the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate who once suggested invading our ally, Pakistan?" It's no secret that McCain, a war hero who is to the right of Bush when it comes to Iraq, hopes to make this a foreign-policy election. Conventional wisdom holds this would give him an advantage over Obama. A Feb. 28 Pew Research Center poll found 43 percent of respondents believe Obama is "not tough enough" on foreign policy. Thirty-nine percent believe Obama's foreign policy is "just right," while 47 percent say the same of McCain.

Even so, Obama's foreign-policy advisers are thrilled at the prospect of facing McCain. Had the GOP nomination gone to Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee, politicians who don't particularly care about foreign policy, an Obama victory would not provide a mandate for the sweeping foreign-affairs overhaul his campaign proposes. November's election could be, for the first time in a very long time, a choice between two radically different visions of U.S. global engagement. "We want to have this debate with John McCain," a close Obama adviser says. "[Obama] will offer this clear contrast."

Of course, it remains to be seen how voters might look at an Obama-McCain race. "The important distinction will be, does Obama come across as saying he wants to make a break with the foreign policy of the last seven years, or does it sound like he'll take foreign policy in a fundamentally different direction than that of the last twenty, thirty, fifty years?" says Guy Molyneux, a Democratic pollster with Peter D. Hart Associates. Americans are eager to put the Bush doctrine behind them, Molyneux says, but there's a danger that voters will see Obama as a "young guy who's less experienced but sounds like he's taking off in a new direction."

Here's the irony, from my perspective.   If Obama does take dignity promotion seriously then he really will be taking foreign policy "in a fundamentally different direction than that of the last twenty, thirty, fifty years."  Because the early effots that tended in a dignitarian direction-Kennedy's Alliance for Progress, Carter's emphasis of human rights-were never coherently expressed central principles.  But even such a break won't take us as far as Kennan suggested, so long as "dignity promotion" is something that's limited to the conduct of our foreign policy abroad.

No, dignity, like charity, rightly begins at home.  It's a matter of "is" not "ought."  We cannot truly treat others at a distance with a more honest, sincere and sustained sense of dignity than we treat others in our midst at home.

And this is yet another reason that Obama needs to seriously consider the holistic dignitarian approach that Robert Fuller has been advocating.  It is not just an inspiring idea that would serve to motivate young voters.  It is not just a way to inspire "the audacity of hope."  It is a very basic, very reality-based way of viewing the world that arguably holds the keys to realizing the promise of America for all her citizens, as well as all the people of the world.


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I don't want to replace one form of idealism in foreign policy (0.00 / 0)
(neocon theory) with another (dignitarian thinking). I am looking for real world pragmaticism that get how powerful China has become in the last few years while Bush as been saying "terror" every chance he can get.

Idealism? (4.00 / 1)
I'm not sure where you get the idea that dignity promotion is just idealism.  In fact, I'd claim the opposite, it is recognizing the conditions that lead to many of the world's problems.

With respect to China, the problem isn't how powerful it has become but how it influences the world and the world influences China.  I don't mind a powerful China.  I do mind an aggressive and totalitarian China.  I mind even more the thought that the rest of the world may choose to adopt the Chinese model.

I strongly believe the general shape of the world for the next hundred or so years (perhaps much longer) will be born over the course of this decade.  (Now is when the butterfly flapping its wings will change the future weather.)  Bush has already done huge amounts of harm to our (Earth's) future, but there is still time make major corrections.


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My Whole Point Is That This Is Realist, NOT Idealist (4.00 / 1)
Sure it has an idealist component to it.  That's inescapable, since America was founded on ideals, and those ideals are central both to who we are, and to our particular soft power strengths, which Bush has severely undermined, but which most presidents have treated rather casuallty.

The growing power of China is a real problem, and a dignitarian approach is not a magic bullet.  But it is an invaluable point of departure, far superior to those we have employed in the past.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Else where , others have made the point that this is a spin on pragmaticism (0.00 / 0)
and I am glad to hear that it is. I simply wanted to get your take.  

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I Don't Think It's A Spin (0.00 / 0)
I think that an awful lot that passes for "pragmatism" is simply dogmatic brutality, and most of the rest is simply doing "what's always been done."  Real pragmatism is hard to find, at best, and pragmatism that breaks new ground is actually as rare as hens teeth.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I grew up in the rural south so you get special props for (0.00 / 0)
what I rememer as a Southern saying.

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What Can I Say? (0.00 / 0)
My dad was English lit professor.  I grew up on books, and the love of language flowed through my veins from a very early age.  Say what you will about it, linguistically, the South is a veritable gold mine.  I'm sure my own knowledge barely scratches the surface.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Realistic *and* idealistic (4.00 / 1)
Excellent analysis Paul.  Much to think over here ... specifically on the "realist" (or "pragmatist") vs. "idealist" question, I think that this is a false distinction: it's possible to be both realistic and idealistic simultaneously.

Viewing it as an either/or choice falls into the trap of those who want to keep ideals (such as fundamentaly human rights, or dignity, or responsibility for our country's actions) off the table.

jon


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I Agree 100% (0.00 / 0)
I agree that it's possible to be both.  Indeed, a good deal of America's soft power (remember that?) has traditionally come from its ideals, so perhaps it's impossible (for the US, anyway) not to be both.

However, my point was that the argument I was making was a realist one.  I don't really think you need to argue for the ideals.  They argue for themselves, just fine.  "Self-evident truths," yadda-yadda-yadda.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Paul, is this your longest post ever? (4.00 / 1)
This may have set a record, but it was absolutely worth reading.  I don't always agree with you, but it's never because you're being untruthful or irrational.  

One of the main reasons I support Obama, if not the biggest reason, is that I believe he represents the best chance to breaking the errant and destructive bipartisan foreign policy consensus of the post-World War II era, mainly because he offers a different mindset (and says so), recognizes that we have to have a proactive, preventive approach to counterterrorism in addition to a reactive military response, and realizes the tremendous influence of soft power as a tool of foreign policy.  

I'd write more, but I'll let Aaron Sorkin take over for me on a temporary basis, and these are from the "Guns Not Butter" episode of The West Wing:

We live in an interdependent world and we should act like it.  We live in a global community and we should sustain it.  We should cross borders.  We should cross borders to build sustainable democracies that can banish privation and fear.  And we should cross borders to bring food and medicine and roads and schools and teachers to parts of the world forgotten by all but the warlords.  We're going to pass this foreign ops bill.  This should be a century of hope and prosperity everywhere, and America's going to lead the world, not just bully it."

- President Bartlet

"But the people are speaking.  Because 68 percent think we give too much in foreign aid, and 59 percent think it should be cut." Will notes that he likes that statistic.  Josh says he does; Will asks why.  Josh explodes: "Because nine percent think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut!"

- Josh Lyman and Will Bailey discussing a Republican poll on foreign aid policy

Nobody wants to put money in a hat in Botswana when you got hats that need filling here.  You can't make this about charity.  It's about self-interest.  We cut farm assistance in Colombia.  Every single crop we developed was replaced with cocaine.  We cut aid for primary education in northwest Pakistan; the kids went to madrassas.  Why weren't you making a case that Republican senators are bad on drugs, and bad on national security?  Why are Democrats always so bumfuzzled?

- Danny Concannon, speaking to C.J. Cregg on the practical implications of soft power (and the general ineptitude of Democratic congressional leadership).


I'll Just Remind You (0.00 / 0)
That the real President Bartlet, Martin Sheen, has said on several occassions that he is far to the left of the character he played.

Which is hardly surprising, since the US is the only advanced industrial country never to have had a left party hold seats in its national legislature.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Be that as it may (0.00 / 0)
I'd support Josiah Bartlet for president any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

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How, exactly, does dignity promotion work? (0.00 / 0)
For example, take Iran.

To promote dignity, do we give money to the Iranian government?  If the Iranian government is pursuing policies that we consider harmful to our interests, do we give them money without strings?  Are economic sanctions out of the question, as they only hurt the common people and reduce their dignity?  If economic sanctions are not available, what can be done to deal with states that are a threat to neighboring states, their own people, etc?

Do we give money to groups in Iran that support human rights?  How do we get it to them, without giving the Iranians that we aren't just undermining their government and culture?

Or is it just a difference in tone?  In tone, how does dignity promotion differ from what Kerry and Clinton have said, that the United States needs to retain its moral authority by obeying the law?  How does Obama's suggestion of illegally invading Pakistan fit into the theme of dignity promotion and respect for law?

How does this "reality based" theory work in reality?

Or is it just more of the same - people who don't support Obama not only don't like hope, they oppose dignity as well?


A few points (4.00 / 2)
No one is suggesting that this approach is a complete solution in and of itself - it's simply a big part of a larger foreign policy picture, an unconventional mindset and approach to the world's problems.

It's also a long term approach.  Most of what we are confronting now, as in Iran, are not leading indicators, but lagging consequences.  A lot of what we see today in Iran can be traced back to Operation Ajax and the overthrow of Mohammed Mossadeq, which led to the rule of the Shah, which led to 1979 and the rise of the clerics, who effectively rule the country now, and all the while we've exacerbated the situation by placing Iran in some so-called "axis of evil," (even after Iran made statements sympathetic to America after 9/11) attributing a potential World War III to them, etc.  

Ahmadinejad's predecessor, Mohammad Khatami, while not perfect, represented the gradual evolution of Iranian politics, designed around deeper and eventual reconcilitation and integration into the world community, and his approach is decidedly preferable to that of Ahmadinejad. If we had done more to support those kinds of efforts by embracing and legitimizing Khatami as the leader of Iran instead of rebuffing and insulting Iran, as per the approach discussed herein, we could have done more.  

Our immediate short term options are more limited (perhaps Paul could offer a more detailed and articulate statement in this regard) but in an Obama presidency we'll have four (if not eight) years to implement different foreign policies, and hopefully that will be enough time to reap some of those (lagging) rewards.

With regards to Pakistan, your statement is a gross exaggeration.  Obama's policy is simply that if we have actionable intelligence that would allow us to kill or capture major figures within Al Qaeda, as they currently reside in the Northwest Territory, that we will do so if Pakistan cannot or will not.  No one is suggesting we renounce our sovereign rights, and I am of the opinion that such an action would be well within such rights, not to mention the fact that what constitutes Pakistan and what constitutes Afghanistan in that particular area is not clearly demarcated.  There are no Welcome to Kansas-esque signs posted at non-existent border crossings, and so neither Afghanistan nor Pakistan know exactly where they are, and the entire area is of dubious sovereignty in and of itself, ruled mostly by local warlords and Al Qaeda.  So, on the whole, I'd say there's a major difference between that and an "illegal invasion of Pakistan," as you put it.


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Fair enough (0.00 / 1)
I'll withdraw my observation about Pakistan, and I appreciate the detailed response on Iran.  I'll address these two concerns another way.

As to the comments about Pakistan, it seems to me Obama was doing on of two things:

1.  Adopting a Bush-like cowboy approach, taking a significant risk of increasing instability for a questionable military objective (I say questionable because I think it is true that Osama is not as powerful as he once was); or

2.  Talking about a perfect world scenario, in which the facts were so clear as there would be no chance that we could fail to implement our objectives in short order, which makes it a cowboy statement without any intention of acting on it because we will never live in that perfect world.

I mention the Pakistan comment because it seems important to the Obama Doctrine article, and it seems to me to be exactly more of the same.

I appreciate that our situation in Iran and much of the world presents us with limited options. With respect to Mohammad Khatami, hindsight is 20-20.  We are often presented with "imperfect" leaders, and need to make a decision of how to help usher in a more perfect one. I can imagine leaders worse than Ahmadinejad, but that doesn't tell me whether we should support him or oppose him, or in what measure.

If not in Iran, where, and how, then, would dignity promotion be employed, and how is it different than what we do now in terms of foreign aid?  If it is just more foreign aid, then how does it avoid the usual problems of aid, like creating perverse incentives, being misunderstood, end up being wasted in the hands of corrupt government officials?  Or it is something else, like a public relations program?

I am trying not to be too cynical - honestly, I'm not - but this sounds like an article straight out of the Obama propaganda mill.  Has Obama been clear about what he means by "dignity promotion" or is this a case of his advisors floating a phrase with the media and some pro-Obama journalist typing it up as if it were a coherent, politically risky, and world changing "doctrine" to give the idea that Obama is a substantive political maverick, when in fact he is just floating more poll-tested, cynical political catchphrases to dupe the masses?


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I think it's somewhere in between (4.00 / 1)
I think he basically meant Osama when he made those statements, and I think he understands the risks and rewards.  You're not going to see 20,000 parachuting in for months at a time, so I suspect that any kind of military initiative (especially with the criteria he's laid out - high profile, actionable) would be unlikely, and if likely, probably worth it.  Just my thoughts.

On Khatami, this isn't hindsight is 20-20, at least for me, as I and a lot of others suspected that the long term ramifications of the "axis of evil" statement would be huge - it was clear at the time that describing Iran in such a way would serve as a source of destructive alienation, hence Ahmadinejad.  

Right now, I think the solution is to open up diplomatic ties and engage Iran, as the EU has done.  Right now, President Bush, and the Defense and State Departments go on the warpath whenever he makes one of his crazy statements, which only increases his legitimacy at home and creates incentive for him to become even crazier.  I think we need to take the high road in the present.  I think another potential solution is opening up avenues of limited trade and investment in Iran.  Part of the reason they're looking for nuclear technology is because they have minimal domestic fuel production capacity - believe it or not, Iran is a net fuel importer.  Allowing foreign investment in refining capacity and energy production in Iran would benefit us economically, as U.S. firms would love to get their hands on Iranian oil and natural gas, and take away their one good reason for the development of a nuclear program.

With regards to foreign aid, I agree that there are some obvious problems in how it works.  But the major problem is that there simply isn't enough of it, and that immediate remedial solutions like debt relief are not being implemented.  Moreover, international institutions would sooner send aid to corrupt and illegitimate governments that meet those perverse incentives than to change current regulations in such a way that they may be more popular in the countries in question (not to mention more economically beneficial).

In my eyes, the solution is changing the conditions for foreign aid to reward sane, rational and honest policies (as compared to those at present of the IMF and World Bank), dramatically increasing the quantity of foreign aid, create a level playing field in agriculture by eliminating all subsidies in the developed world, and promoting trade with developing nations without damaging economic development within them. I'm not saying it's a lock that Obama will deliver on all, or any of these things, but I'm much more sure of him than I am of Clinton.


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I Agree WRT To Iran (0.00 / 0)
I just don't think it's particularly a dignitarian approach.

More like good old, pre-neocon common sense.

Of course there's an inherent dignitarian approach implicit in all diplomacy.  But we probably have to get things onto a better basic footing before noticeably novel dignitarian ideas can start to kick in.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Good Question (4.00 / 1)
Has Obama been clear about what he means by "dignity promotion" or is this a case of his advisors floating a phrase with the media....

I'm hoping we can get Samantha Power to engage in a dialogue here to try to put more meat on dem bones.

But one thing is for certain--Robert Fuller has been working independently to develop the dignitarian concept.  And if Obama thinks that something compatible with that is a good idea in foreign policy, then I'm going to see how far we can take it, and make it rigorous.

It's not for nothing that I dug back a ways into past history trying to provide some context.  I'm well aware that there have been false starts before.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Iran Right Now May Not Be The Best Place To Look (0.00 / 0)
There are plenty of places in our past relationship with Iran where the difference of a dignitarian approah would have been both obvious and striking.  Right now that difference might not be either.  But that could well change in short order.

The article quoted gave some examples, so your ostensible question "How does this 'reality based' theory work in reality?" has already been answered.  And I said in a comment above, "a dignitarian approach is not a magic bullet."

The real problem here seems to be that you insist on looking at this through the same old "what's in it for my candidate?" lens, and you're so obsessed with that way of seeing things that you can't see anything else.

Me, I'm interested in using the campaign to see if we can't get candidates to compete to see who can come up with the best ideas.

Yeah, I know it's a long shot.  But it's a long shot worth betting on.  And, of course, it can stimulate activists to do the same.

But only if they can think a little bit beyond "what's in it for my candidate?"  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Which Problems are Solvable and How? (0.00 / 0)
On balance I think its a good thing that Obama's team would like to draw attention to the social and economic conditions in developing areas that buttress instability and can lead to anti-Americanism.

However, I remain pretty skeptical for the following reasons.

1. I still have no idea what they actually mean - in terms of nuts and bolts policies, not vague aspirations or guiding principles - when they talk about dignity promotion.  What do they intend to do, where, and how?  Anybody can talk a good game.

2. Some of the quotes coming out of this give me grave misgivings.  For example:

"Look at Africa, with 900 million people, half of whom are under 18. I'm concerned that unless you start creating jobs and livelihoods we will have real big problems on our hands in ten to fifteen years."

Quotations like this scare me, because they suggest the possibility that some of Obama's advisers have their hearts in the right place but their heads in the wrong one - more or less firmly ensconced in their own asses.

If it was just a question of switching our foreign policy focus to supporting economic growth, the extension of the rule of law, etc in developing countries then the world's problems would be relatively easy to solve.  Unfortunately, most evidence suggests that many of these problems are pretty much intractable in the short term, or at least beyond the capabilities of outside nations to make meaningful differences.  The international community has been trying to "develop" Africa for 60 years, with very little success.  Does this guy really think that some kind of policy switch can be thrown that will create jobs and spur economic growth across the continent in the next decade?  If so, he is basically a moron who hasn't read or learned anything about development economics yet now is claiming to be blazing a new trail.  And that makes him a particularly dangerous kind of moron.

A policy of dignity promotion is a fine and welcome advent, but it has to be grounded in the reality that we are largely only capable of improving peoples' dignity around the edges.  Those areas of the world that are undignified today will likely still be largely undignified in 20 years.  We have to operate within those sad constraints, and figure out how to best make policies in an undignified world.  

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You're Right (0.00 / 0)
The devil is in the details.  And I'm inclined to want to ask the same sort of hard questions as you.  I'm particularly leary because Obama doesn't seem to really grasp what's fundamentally wrong with the neoliberal development model, and more "growth" and "development" along those lines would be deeply problematic.

But neither would it be dignitarian, since it routinely involves a number of different assaults on the fundamental dignity of those it purports to help.

And that's why I am in favor of talking up the general idea, because I think that the conceptual framework is the right one to use (not exclusively, but in combination with others) in order to get the actual practices going in the right direction.

Oh, and the problem with Africa is that we've never stopped taking out more than we put in.  The interest on past aid takes more out of Africa than current aid puts in.  So the results are hardly surprising.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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So what's your solution? (0.00 / 0)
The international community has been trying to "develop" Africa for 60 years, with very little success.  Does this guy really think that some kind of policy switch can be thrown that will create jobs and spur economic growth across the continent in the next decade?  If so, he is basically a moron who hasn't read or learned anything about development economics yet now is claiming to be blazing a new trail.  And that makes him a particularly dangerous kind of moron.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't try, and there's little reason to devolve into such base level attacks, referring to Obama as a "dangerous moron."  You say, "If it was that easy..."  In fact, it really could be that easy.  The policy changes themselves may not be done in a snap, i.e. eliminating agricultural subsidies that destroy farms in developing countries, getting everyone else on board with changes at multinational institutions like the IMF, WTO and World Bank, but the results could be huge in time.  Current policy has been an abject failure, largely in that it has been non-existent.  You claim that the world has been trying to develop Africa for sixty years, and that's simply not true.  We still don't have a serious plan for development assistance, much less in the past, where Africa was simply a battlefield for U.S.-Soviet proxy wars.  

Development is possible - Botswana, while not perfect, has experienced average annual GDP growth  of about 9% from 1966 to 1999.  It's no coincidence that it's been rated as Africa's least corrupt country, manages balanced fiscal and trade policies, and has had a functioning representative government since it's independence in 1966.  

To suggest that improvements will be minimal at the very best is simply untrue - we can and must do better.  The reason we are so disliked in many parts of the world is because we are perceived, both rightly and wrongly, as an oppressive force, politically and economically.  For the most part, free and prosperous people do not become suicide bombers.  Our current policies have increased the numbers of those who are not free and not prosperous, and the approach discussed in this post - policies of diplomacy, reconciliation, meaningful humanitarian assistance, increased development aid, a focus on soft power and proactive and preventive rather than reactive measures against terrorism - these are solid, concrete ideas espoused by Obama.


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excellent (0.00 / 0)
I couldn't agree more:

It is a very basic, very reality-based way of viewing the world that arguably holds the keys to realizing the promise of America for all her citizens, as well as all the people of the world.

And it's so refreshing to see a candidate actually consider this as a basis for foreign policy. The possibilities are amazing.
 


There has been a tendency to minimize (0.00 / 0)
the extent to which Obama does repart a depature from Neo-con thinking.  Some of the early analysis I saw about his advisors emphasized the extent to which they were part of the foriegn policy establishment but failed to note that without exception they all opposed the War in Iraq.


Surely, You Don't Think I'm Doing That? (0.00 / 0)
Nor is anyone else who frontpages here.  In fact, Chris made the point some time ago that Obama's advisors seem to come primarily from lower echelons that were not heard from in the runup to war.

I would still argue that there's still a problem drawing too heavily on the DC-centric foreign policy establishment, which ties back to my earlier posts drawing on evidence from PIPA and the Frameworks Institute, which shows that even across ideological divides, there are shared characteristics that divide such folks from the public at large.

But this is not an easily-remedied problem, since there aren't a lot of folks outside these circles that one can credibly draw on.  Still, "Secretary of State Chalmers Johnson" does have a nice ring to it, I think.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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