Vice-Presidents and Leadership

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 13:19


By now, you have probably seen the poll showing that while Clinton supporters want a Clinton-Obama ticket, Obama supporters do not want an Obama-Clinton ticket. Gallup:

Only 42% of Democrats nationwide want Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic vice presidential nominee if Barack Obama wins the presidential nomination, while 55% think he should pick someone else. By contrast, the majority of Democrats -- 58% -- would like to see Obama nominated as vice president if Clinton heads the ticket.

The reason for the disparity is that a relatively small number of Obama supporters -- just 29% --favor Obama choosing Clinton as a possible running mate. Seventy percent say they'd rather he choose someone else. In contrast, a majority of Clinton supporters -- 53% -- would want Clinton to choose Obama for vice president if she is nominated.

Similar percentages (a majority of both Clinton supporters and Obama supporters) say they would want their own candidate selected for vice president should the other candidate win the Democratic nomination for president.

The reason for this, I think, is quite simple, and relates to my longstanding argument that the Democratic nominee should choose a "reinforcing" choice for vice-president, rather than a "balancing" choice. Hillary Clinton has repeatedly floated the idea of Obama being her Vice-President, and as such her supporters are following her lead in thinking he would be a good choice. By the same token, Obama has never floated Clinton as his Vice-President, and has even repudiated the idea of a "dream ticket" on multiple occasions. As such, his supporters are following his lead, and looking elsewhere for a a possible VP choice.

Presidential nominees really are leaders, no matter what we hyper-engaged activists might think of them. When many people support a candidate, they also tend to support many subsequent arguments that candidate comes to make, including who would make a good Vice-President. This is one of the reasons why it is essential that the Democratic nominee chooses a Vice-President who makes sense according to the broad campaign arguments that candidate used to win the nomination. If you are running on experience, then choose a nominee who fits that profile. If you are running on change, early opposition to the Iraq war, and national unity, then choose a Vice-President who embodies those qualities. If your supporters are going to follow your arguments, amek sure that those arguments make sense.

Which Democrats makes sense as Vice-President according to the arguments that Barack Obama has put forth during this campaign? While here are many factors to consider, the most important ones are to pick someone who opposed the war from the start, someone who has an aurora of "change" about him or her, and someone who has a bi-partisan track record. Here are the strongest possibilities I can think of:
  • Brian Schweitzer, MT-Gov: Among the disappointing small number of Governors, Senators, and members of the House leadership who opposed the war from the start, Schweitzer really sticks out as having the most change and unity cred. This is a man who talks of needing a shower after spending too much time in D.C., and who picked a Republican as his Lt. Governor. He also has both progressive movement backing and appeal to the old Perot style voter. I have no idea what his relationship with Obama is, but he certainly makes a lot of sense given the Obama campaign message thus far.

  • Jim Webb, VA-Sen: Jim Webb fits the anti-war and bi-parisan criteria pretty well. As a 60-something white dude from Virginia, the "change" cred it lacking a bit, to say the least. Another huge mark against Webb is that he just isn't the most energetic campaigner. I was talking to someone very familiar with Web's 2006 Senate campaign the other day, and he said that the idea of Webb as VP was pretty laughable given Webb's campaigning style. A lot of people like this pick on a structural level, but on a personal level Webb himself doesn't make much sense as a Vice-President.

  • Sherrod Brown, OH-Sen: Sherrod Brown remains one of my three personal favorite picks (Pelosi and Feingold are the others), given that he would help win Ohio, provide an economic populism necessary in an election such as this, and that he would give a progressive face to the future of the party. His bi-partisan and "change" image are less clear than either Webb's or Schweitzer's, however.
  • Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House: Pelosi has the anti-war and "change" cred, but probably not so much "bi-partisan" cred. Obama picking Pelosi makes sense as a May or June early announcement, since it would pretty much lock down the nomination for Obama. Otherwise, this would actually be a big step down for Pelosi, given that she is too old to run for President in eight years. Also, do we really want Steny Hoyer as Speaker? I think not. Still, she does make sense as a way to bring the nomination campaign to an end.

  • Kathleen Sebelius, KS-Gov: I have no idea where Sebelius was on the Iraq war before it started, but she does have strong change and bi-partisan cred. On the bi-partisan front, she convinced numerous Republicans to actually switch parties, and has worked with a Republican legislature during her six years as Governor. If she was against the war, and if she could improve her campaign style, she might make sense.

  • Russ Feingold: Feingold is an interesting pick, because even though he has been in D.C. for a while and even though he is thought of as the ultimate progressive fighter in the Senate, he actually has real bi-partisan (McCain-Feingold, Patriot Act reform, good government proposals) and change ("outisder") cred. Also, I would love for Feingold to be VP, and Pelosi to be Speaker. I triple dog dare Republicans to try and impeach President Obama in that circumstance, what with their two worst nightmeres as second and third in line, respectively.  Also, no one in the Senate has more anti-war cred than Feingold.

Those are the choices that seem to make the most sense right now, even if they make sense in different ways. Maybe I am just dreaming by throwing Feingold in there, since there is no one in the country who I would rather see as President. But hey, he does fit the Obama campaign argument, he comes from a swing state, and he has endorsed Obama already. Obama-Feingold 2008?
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Al Gore (it's not that crazy anymore) (4.00 / 2)
Even as recently as 1 month ago, I would have said that this was crazy.  However, Gore is the one Democrat who could truly unify the party after a bruising nomination.  

He was very publicly anti-war.  He is the anti-Bush (change), and he is perhaps the most qualified person in America to be President.  

Why would he do it?  

1.  Al Gore still thinks about his legacy, and nothing, not even being the nominee, could further enhance his legacy than the unique act of patriotism and selflessness that would be involved in accepting the Democratic nomination as VP.  He would become a political deity.  

2.  Obama could appeal to Gore that he would make him a progressive Cheney, who could oversee rebuilding America's international alliances, in part, by spearheading an international solution to Global Warming.  

3.  In 4 years he could bow-out or he could bide his time and run as a 68 year old in 2016.  

I actually think that this is less of a stretch than Pelosi quitting her job as Speaker to potentially become the VP.  

A vote against Health Care Reform is a vote for ten 9/11s every single year!


Or be prepared to run in the '12 primary against Obama as a progressive challenger (0.00 / 0)
Should Obama govern in a Clintonesque manner.

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On the "It's not crazy anymore" front (4.00 / 1)
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I was just about to post that (0.00 / 0)
Can someone explain what position other than VP is at a "higher level of office" than Cabinet, which a President can appoint?    

A vote against Health Care Reform is a vote for ten 9/11s every single year!

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Gore? (0.00 / 0)
You must be dreaming.  Gore is the antithesis of Obama - he ran a terrible campaign for president and lost due to lack of spine, he whines when he opens his mouth, his house is constantly being made fun of because people don't understand carbon trading and the house is too big, he's colorless and unimaginative to the casual viewer, he's already been Vice once and if I were he I wouldn't be willing to do that again, he has no clout in Congress due to all of the above.

Obama needs someone white, female and his generation, with government experience, who can carry the states that went for Clinton before he emerged - MA, CA - and then OH, FL and TX.


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So much time between primaries (0.00 / 0)
make journalist and bloggers alike a bit itchy.  (I'm laughing with you, Chris--lol)

Anyway, first, I do not think the informed voter parrots their candidate's arguments.  I think the informed voter, particularly progressives and independents, choose their candidate very carefully, and have little difficulty formulating counter arguments to their candidates positions, when there is a disagreement.  I, for one, do not vote for or against a VP position based solely on my candidates position.  For example, if I supported Clinton I would not want Obama on her ticket.  It is equally true, that as an Obama supporter I do not want Clinton on his ticket.  I do not know why anyone would want them both on the same ticket--there just isn't anything to be gained--except the perceived value of the combined power of a ticket that hosted the two front-runners in the race.  Such a perception ignores the very real differences and animus between them.  In large measure they are like "oil and water", they just don't mix well.

However, concerning the idea of selecting someone else, it does well to scratch that itch!  I like Feingold, Sebelius and Schweitzer--in that order.


The thing to be gained is (0.00 / 0)
having the loser visibly supporting the winner in the case of a massive intraparty civil war.  Clinton knows that this is her road to the Presidency, so she almost has to have Obama has her VP if she should win.  

Obama still has the hope of knocking Clinton out of the race.


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honesty (4.00 / 1)
Obama will knock Clinton out of the race but if he selects someone who is not honest to run with him he will undermine his entire effort.  

Clinton, on the other hand, will just be more of the same we've had for the last 3 months.  She could pick just about anyone of the pols of her generation or the next and it would be tragic for the nation whether she won or lost.

The public is getting a chance to look at a thoughtful and honest candidate.  How do you think they're going to like Clinton and anyone after that?


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Interesting list (4.00 / 2)
Feingold is clearly the most experienced, and has some foreign policy/national security cred (hasn't he been on the Intel Committee?)  Could he help overcome the animosity that has been an ugly undercurrent in parts of the Jewish community?  I like him as a choice.  he also reinforces the midwestern common sense approach, because even thopugh Feingold is a strong liberal, he is pretty down-to-earth about it.

Sibelius makes sense only if McCain picks Condi Rice.

Byron Dorgan?  He's not that well known, since he's from N. Dakota, but he is smart, a good poppulist and has been in the Senate longer than Webb or Brown.  Another Mid-westerner.

Wy Gov Freudenthal just endorsed Obama, following Lee Hamilton.  The drift is accelerating.  

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


And of course Gore (0.00 / 0)
Nothing would more underscore Obama's commitment to combatting global warming.  I have also floated the "environmental equivalent of Cheney" idea for a few months.  Also as Obama's life insurance policy, since he could step in as a candidate or Pres.  I can see Gore running for VP easier than Pres.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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one quibble (0.00 / 0)
It's difficult to imagine the House of Represenatatives voting to pass impeachment of a democratic president at behest of republicans with Nancy Pelosi as speaker.  It would have to be some kind of nixonian level crime.

Anyway, having a progressive VP would be a powerful antedote to any such action should Republicans retake the House.

The other thing that occurs to me is that they'd impeach anyway knowing full well the senate won't convict.  They always prefer the government doing nothing useful, discrediting itself, and whatnot.  They are happy to have congress grind gears for a year.  


But we'll have the House. (0.00 / 0)
With another 20-30 Dems.  

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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that's the point (0.00 / 0)
How would the house ever impeach Obama with Pelosi as speaker?

It would take one of those live-boy dead-girl scenarios.


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The dream ticket for me (4.00 / 1)
as well is Obama Feingold.  I wake up smiling when I dream about that inauguration day in Jan. 2009.

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Wishful thinking (0.00 / 0)
This post reminds me of a couple songs:

Dreaming by Blondie ("dreaming, dreaming is free") and Dreamer by Supertramp ("dreamer, just a little dreamer").

While I would love to see Feingold on a ticket that isn't going to happen.  Feingold is not seen as a bi-partisan choice in any sense of the word.  The Patriot Act opposition is not bi-partisan except for a handful of Ron Paul types.  The vast bulk of the Republican elected officials heartily pushed the Patriot Act.  McCain-Feingold - another act that the Republicans did not like.

Schweitzer - interesting choice but probably not ready for prime time just yet.

Webb - probably fits the bill in terms of balancing the ticket and perhaps winning Virginia.  A bit too moderate/conservative perhaps but that may well play well to the undecided/swing voter.  The campaign will certainly play up his Reagan era credentials.  Plus, he did a terrific job of rebutting the State of the Union speech in 2007, unlike Sebelius.

Pelosi - from a state that we are going to win.  Seen as too liberal, too easy a target and part of the establishment.  Not really a change agent.

Sebelius - Hated the 2008 State of Union rebuttal but she does have some cross-over appeal.  

Personally, I love the speculation and playing but who really knows?  I wouldn't be surprised to see Richardson or Webb.


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Fuck Bipartisanship (0.00 / 0)
I want a national debate on the Patriot Act with Feingold leading it.

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I saw Webb (0.00 / 0)
at the Jefferson-Jackson dinnner in NH in November.  I came away thinking that he is an obvious choice for VP, and that the other candidates were lucky he wasn't running in 2008.

Having said that, though, I think the theme of this election will be the economy.  Webb makes an attractive candidate in re-enforcing Obama on foriegn policy, and his presence would also help put to rest concerns about Obama raised by the Wright affair (which make no mistake, are real).  But he has no real economic credentials.  

All of this would lead me to prefer Brown over Webb, but in truth I would rather have a governor who can claim some sort of economic success.  Here are couple I would suggest:

Doyle, Wisconsin
Rendell, PA (Chris knows far more about this than I do)
Kaine, VA
Vilsac, Iowa
Richardson, NM

I will confess some interest in Vilsac.  One of the issues that tends to cut in the suburbs/exurbs is education.  Certainly in Florida it is often the single most effective issue for Democrats, and Vilsac has some interesting things to say about.



Obama is NOT going to pick a Clintonite (0.00 / 0)
That rules out Vilsac and Rendell.

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Feingold and Brown should absolutely be at the top of the short list (0.00 / 0)
One of the main criteria not really mentioned explicitly is how effective each candidate would be as a presidential candidate in 2016.  That said, I'm not sure how many of those others I see as logical possibilities, for that and/or other reasons:

Schweitzer - would have to change his style entirely - Montana's legislature convenes once every two years, and would he even accept such a job as truly Washington as VP?  I'd also think of Freudenthal for the same reasons, and he just endorsed Obama today, but I'm not sure how much interest he has in being VP.

Webb - too much of a loose cannon, would not be able to carry the campaign line, not an ideal standard bearer in 2016.

Pelosi - definitely not a standard bearer type for 2016, and when was the last time she campaigned for anything? Could be a bit rusty and insider-y for the necessities of the Obama campaign.

Sebelius - she'll definitely be on the short list, but I've always been somewhat lukewarm about her, maybe just because of the SOTU response.

I'd also be open to the idea of Barbara Boxer as an alternative female contender, but she has her own problems (occasionally lame on the environment, already 68).

If he really wants to go crazy, here are a few more unconventional but strong contenders (I also considered Brad Miller and Earl Blumenauer), with advantages and disadvantages:

Xavier Becerra

Advantages:  Solid progressive, against the war, great ratings from virtually every progressive vote rating organization.  While not from a swing state, would be an especially effective advocate for Obama, who he endorsed, in the Hispanic communities of the West and Southwest.  Much like Obama, represents the changing face of the Democratic Party, and a leading indicator of the future rather than a lagging indicator of the past, and at 58, would be well suited as the party standard bearer in 2016.

Disadvantages:  Not many.  In lots of way, he would be an ideal choice, but would create an unprecented politicized ethnic dynamic by being on the ticket with Obama.  While I think that's a great thing, some other people might not, though I'm generally not swayed at all by arguments that "America isn't ready for _________."

Robert Wexler

Advantages:  Experienced but not a consummate insider; a member of the House since 1996 and popular in a swing state.  Strong progressive, great on most issues, supporter of impeachment.  Endorsed Obama. Has a definite sense of humor.  Young and articulate, he is 47 right now and would be well positioned as a progressive face of the party in 2016.  Jewish background could help deflect the ridiculous Muslim fear mongering (see Russert, Tim).

Disadvantages:  Voted for the Iraq war.  Previously supported missile defense.  

Rush Holt

Advantages:  He's pretty much the typification of the creative class - physicist, professor, decidedly progressive, highly educated, etc.  He's great on open government, voting rights, civil liberties, FISA, the environment, etc. His campaign slogan is "My Congressman IS a rocket scientist!" He was against the war from the start.  Not a single skeleton to be found in his closet - he's a Quaker (the only one in Congress), with unquestioned integrity.  He's also chairman of the Oversight Subcommittee of Select Intelligence and he's been around since 2000, so he's experienced but not too experienced, and he has yet to endorse. On the completely and totally cool side, he has a patent for his own solar energy device and has won Jeopardy five times.

Disadvantages:  He is my congressman, so I'm a big homer and have a soft spot for him.  That said, even though he's sharp as a tack, he'll be 68 in 2016.  He's also distinctly professorial; he conveys his point very effectively, but is not soundbite-oriented and (though a very good progressive) not the attack dog type often preferred in a VP nominee.

Cecil Andrus

Advantages:  Far outside the Washington mainstream and an excellent example of Mountain West progressivism, so a definite geographic advantage in line with the 50 state strategy.  Very popular former governor of Idaho and Secretary of Interior, despite being more progressive than many blue state politicians.  Strongly anti-war, pro-environment, and an Obama endorser.  Gave a rousing introduction to Obama's Boise rally:

Disadvantages:  I wish this man were 20, or even just 5 or 10 years younger.  He's already 76, and will be 84 in 2016.  Even so, far more in touch with reality, far more lucid, energetic and enthusiastic than John McCain, who is 5 years younger.  Also, has zero name recognition outside of Idaho.  While potentially highlighting the ability of Obama to bring together all kinds of people, definitely not the kind of rising star discussed earlier.

I know we often think of our bench as being very strong  


Ah, got cut off. (0.00 / 0)
I know we often think of our bench as being very strong, but in terms of our "ideal VPs," we really don't have that many, when you think about it.  That said, I have a degree of confidence that Obama will choose the reinforcing candidate Chris is talking about, instead of reaching for a Biden type.

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Feingold or Brown. (4.00 / 1)
   Sure, I'd like Obama to pick Feingold as his vice president, but I doubt that it will happen.  In that case, Sherrod Brown would be the ideal choice.  He's progressive and nothing says change to me like defeating (by a lot) a fake moderate Republican in a purple state.

John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

Geographic balance (0.00 / 0)
is currently out of fashion, but I have to wonder if having a double rust-belt ticket would seem to waste some favorite-offspring potential. Brown would be a fine choice otherwise, but somebody from a coast or the mountain west would probably contribute more appeal to the campaign.  

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Favourite son strategy is over-rated (0.00 / 0)
A favourite son might bring his state on side (although there's no certainty of that and Gore's the last one who could plausibly be said to have that effect,) but I doubt he'd have a greater regional appeal.

With that in mind, it's worth remembering that the swing states with the most electoral votes are either in the rustbelt or Florida.

In fact the only region which has a homogenous enough culture for such an effect to work is the south, which isn't likely to be on the table.

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An Archie Bunker Veteran (4.00 / 1)
I have to disagree with Chris' analysis.  If possible, Obama needs to pick an "Archie Bunker" Veteran as his Vice President.  I do not mean he needs to cross over and pick a Republican like Hagel or even an "I'll say anything centrist" like Lieberman.  

Rather, Obama should pick a VP who (1) has some significant military experience and (2) who appeals on a visceral level to working class white voters.  Since we already have the upper hand in actual foreign policy understanding, he needs someone who can go toe to toe with McCain in the "when I was in the war" stories that low-information voters lap up.  Likewise, the VP needs to feel familiar, someone they understand and relate to.  Having a Alger-esque working-class American story to tell would be ideal - the hardscrabble man who worked his way up.  As stupid as the "would have a beer with" concept is for picking a leader, it matters a lot to the majority of Americans who follow politics only in Aug-Nov before a Presidential election.

The Bunker character was written not as the republican ideologue we all loathe, but at heart, a decent, well-intentioned guy who simply didn't quite that his "by the bootstraps" life story didn't always map onto everyone else's.  He had the CAPACITY TO CHANGE, something that I think (hope?) is a genuine element of Obama's campaign.  As Bunker evolved on the show and grew to understand differences in others (the Jewish faith of his niece he became guardian of) or the negative logical conclusion of some of his racial views (accidentally attending a KKK meeting and being horrified), Obama needs to pick a candidate who can suggest to people not necessarily on board with our vision of America that it is OK to change.

So, who are my suggestions?  To be frank, I can't think of many...

Webb - fits the story to a T but, as Bower notes, a horrible campaigner.

Dodd - potentially.  A veteran (reservist) with extraordinary foreign policy credentials.  I worry that he has been a Washington Democrat too long to be considered a "working class guy" and instead a politician.

Edwards - His story and rhetoric fits like a glove but his lack of military experience hurts. Worse, there remains the irrational hatred of "that lawyer" that I hear from those unaware of his particular work for the poor and badly injured.

Anyways, I'm done rambling.  Hope we find someone good, one way or the other.

P.S.  I acknowledge this is male-centric and respect that logical feminist critique, but I'm not sure how to fit a female VP into this narrative.  I'm open to suggestions.

P.P.S.  Also, this isn't my list of "favorites" (I largely agree with Chris there), just my thoughts on who would be most effective.


One final point (0.00 / 0)
I'd also like to note that a VP slot more comfortably be filled with a person who fits an appealing narrative yet doesn't exactly fit our ideal of a progressive Democrat. Despite people's concerns of being "a heart beat away", historically the VP has to do very little. Absent something truly awful happening to Obama (*knocks on wood*) which would likely propel a progressive platform anyways (see Kennedy/LBJ) or an extra-strongly opinionated VP with a moldable Pres (see Cheney/Bush), the power of the VP to set policy is decidedly limited.

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Lieberman's not a centrist (0.00 / 0)
He's a wrongist.  

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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
I was just being kind.

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Webb couldn't/shouldn't be president. (4.00 / 3)
I don't want Webb to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. He's a great red-state Democratic Senator. But he blew it on FISA. I'd sooner pick someone who was wrong on Iraq and right on FISA -- at least 5 years ago you could plead insanity, as the whole fucking country was lost. But blowing it on FISA in the past months has no excuse. That's not a lapse in judgment. That's just being flat out wrong.

Obama Feingold! (0.00 / 0)
That would be like the best ticket ever!!!

Some others (0.00 / 0)
Schweitzer is interesting.  He's insanely popular in Montana, and could bring it into swing-state territory; maybe even some neighboring states.

Sherrod Brown...  Ohio has a great, huge pile of electoral votes.  Can't argue against that.  I'd love to see some polling on this, because if he carries Ohio he'd be my first choice.

If Hillary Clinton can carry Arkansas, 6 EVs isn't anything to sneeze at, and it would be very gracious.  Her supporters are probably going to step back from the edge eventually, but it wouldn't hurt to give them some encouragement.  Her rotten favorability ratings don't help though.

Other possibilities...

Bill Richardson would shore up the foreign policy cred, and is not a Washington insider.  He'd also probably lock up New Mexico.

Mark Warner would probably lock up Virginia.  He probably doesn't want the job though, and doesn't strongly reinforce Obama's other positives.

I'm not enthusiastic about John Edwards.  I know some in the 'sphere adore the guy, but I don't know what he brings to the ticket.  I don't think he would carry NC.

I'd love to have a contender from Florida, but Democrats are hardly even on life support here.  We've made progress over the past 2-4 years in every other corner of the country, but have done just the opposite in the Viagra state.  It's sad.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!


To add... (0.00 / 0)
Feingold would fulfill all my fantasies, but at this point I'm more worried about getting a VP candidate that brings in more votes.  I know that people don't vote for Vice Presidents, but Vice Presidents don't do much of anything else anyway.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

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VPs don't do much of anything? (4.00 / 1)
Where have you been for the past seven years?

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Exception... (0.00 / 0)
Cheney is the exception that reminds us of the rule...

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

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I saw a diary on dKos (0.00 / 0)
(I think) about VP candidate Richardson's possible impact on Texas, in the general. The diarist seemed to say that a relatively small jump among Texas Hispanics would turn Texas blue.

Seemed unlikely, and I keep hoping someone else (read: Bowers) will stumble across that with some analysis ...


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Obama actually (0.00 / 0)
puts TX in play. It's a state that's not as solid red as the CW would have you believe.

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Edwards would bring Perotists, NAFTA detractors, and rural voters (0.00 / 0)
And help eek out some southerners (not specifically in North Carolina).

Mind you, I think Schweitzer would do many of the same things (and replace south with mid-west).

The only difference is that Edwards has shown himself to be a fantastic debater and advocate this time around. Just watch every focus group after each debate. Even if he wasn't winning votes (people aren't gonna vote for you if you can't win), he was making the case for hugely progressive positions to conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans. His ability to advocate is an asset.

But I like Feingold, Schweitzer, and Brown as well.


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My order would be,,, (4.00 / 2)
1 - Sen. Feingold
2 - Sen. Brown
3 - Gov. Schweitzer

But I think Sherrod Brown is the way to go. Has won statewide elections thrice, reinforces Obama's appeal very well, and would be a big boon in Pennsylvania as well.

But on another point, I think Chris is absolutely right that we need a strong progressive in the VP who would be 'worse' for Republicans than Sen. Obama.


I echo those picks -- in any order! (4.00 / 1)
They're all great in their own way. Not only would they be good for the ticket, they'd also be good for the white house.

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Total agreement (0.00 / 0)
They're all three great choice. Feingold is my favorite, Brown is probably the best strategic pick and Schweitzer is an incredibly charismatic "wild card."

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Howard Dean (0.00 / 0)
The only downside I see at the moment to a Howard VP-ship is that, depending on the timing of the thing, Hillary supporters would cry foul, and claim that Howard was in the tank for Obama all along.  Too bad.

Otherwise, Al Gore, for whom you make a very compelling argument, or Webb (though I'd be interested in knowing what you mean by Webb's less than energetic campaign style), who single-handedly negates McCain's strengths.


Somebody's going to have to pay (4.00 / 1)
for the FL/MI insanity, and Dean will be one of the finalists. He's become too vulnerable, unfortunately.

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Some random names (0.00 / 0)
Here are some possibilities that are more out there...

Carl Levin - pros: Acres of experience, shores up Michigan, voted against the Iraq war.  cons: Been a bit flaccid on some progressive issues lately, disturbing comb-over, old.

Chuck Hagel - pros: counters McCain, would make press swoon uncontrollably.  cons: He's a conservative Republican.  Would only be a good choice if it starts looking like the Presidency is impossible otherwise.  Would be good somewhere else in the cabinet though.

Ron Wyden - pros: One of the best voting records in the senate other than Feingold.  cons: Doesn't bring much else to the ticket other than that, and comes from a state that's already gonna be blue.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!


Richardson (4.00 / 1)
Previously I thought the VP should be a woman and still think that would be a good idea.  But I've been leaning more towards Richardson the past few weeks.  The reinforcement is more symbolic than actual, doubling down on race/ethnicity.  But he is strong on Iraq and could help a great deal with the Latino vote.

I'd prefer Obama/Clinton to Clinton/Obama (0.00 / 0)
Hillary Clinton as VP could make passing national health care her full time job.

Obama as Clinton's VP just seems like a consolation prize and its unclear what role he would play - other than waiting his "turn" to be President.

I like Feingold - but I think he's more effective in the Senate than as VP.  If you're gonna take a VP from the Senate, recruit someone with less senority.  I mean, the way I see an Obama Presidency - he's going to need all the help he can get in the Congress.


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     ...but its right."


I like Schweitzer (0.00 / 0)
but another possibility would be Tim Kaine from VA.  

I agree with you, chris, that Obama needs to reinforce his message, much more than clinton or mccain might simply for authenticity's sake ~ how can you be about change w/a DC-insider as VP?  With that in mind, i don't think you'll see a sen or rep (*possibly* webb insofar as he just got elected senator).

I think an Obama/Schweitzer ticket would be the way to go, esp in drawing on the new Mt West dem.  However, Kaine would lock up VA for us.  hmmm . . .

Ahh, in the end, I agree w/Chris: I'll like whoever the big o picks (except if its an insdier) ~  


Kaine has been a pretty lousy (0.00 / 0)
surrogate for Obama. He's not very good when arguing for him.  So I would imagine he'd be quite inept at campaigning.

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Kaine is Catholic (0.00 / 0)
Obama biggest demographic problem in the democratic party has been his consistent problem with white Catholics.  These voters are important in MA, PA, OH, MI and WI.  Kaine ran for Governor while talking about his religion in a positive way, for, example, using his Catholicism to justify his opposition to the death penalty.  Kaine could be a real asset to Obama in this respect.  

Plus, I disagree with the other posters, he was pretty effective in helping Obama carry Virginia by more than 20 points...  

A vote against Health Care Reform is a vote for ten 9/11s every single year!


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Who would I like (4.00 / 1)
Russ Feingold. That's who we all want. More realistically we'd like Brown. But that too probably won't happen. Pelosi wouldn't want to go down in power and VP would do just that. Webb won't be it because of his personality and Schweitzer won't be it because he is up for re-election this year.

Sebelius has campaigned for Obama probably more then any figgure outside of Illinois expect for possibly Tom Dashle and Tim Kaine. Demographically she makes sense because she is strong in demographics that Obama has not done well in. She fits his message more then anyone else.

Barring some dirt in her past or Clinton forcing her way onto the ticket I think it will be Sebelius. And while she is not my first choice I am perfectly happy with it.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


no (4.00 / 2)
Please, let's not forget that awful SOTU response!

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Chuck Hagel An Interesting Possibility (0.00 / 0)
Hagel is pretty conservative on a bunch of issues, but he's got antiwar credibility, and if he were on the ticket I think it might be the biggest landslide ever, surpassing 1972, 1964 and 1936. McCain would be absolute toast.

I've seen Hagel on Jon Stewart and Keith Olbermann, and it sure seems to me like he's gunning for a #2 spot with Obama. I think the guy is so angry about the war that he'd swallow just about everything else just to get some payback.

I don't see a whole lot of downside. The Daily Kos faction wouldn't like it, but where are they going to go? Nader? I doubt it. On the Republican side, I think Hagel on an Obama ticket would rip the guts right out of the Republican Party and spill 'em out onto the floor.

Who knows, maybe those two people would actually start talking about things that Americans care about, in the way that ordinary people talk. The biggest negative I can imagine is that Hagel might be too honest. Obama is from Chicago so you know he's compromised beyond just Rezko; I wonder how that would sit with Hagel.

I have to say, though, that an Obama-Hagel ticket would be the lightning bolt of our lives.


This goes against all my idealism, but (0.00 / 0)
Hagel could very well be the tool to gut the Republicans.  I could accept it if his sole role was to facilitate our getting out of Iraq and that he wouldn't run with Obama in 2012.  I had been thinking we want someone who can run in 2016, but tying someone up for 8 years a VP just doesn't seem worth it.  So perhaps using Hagel as a way to guarantee 2008, but then letting him ride off into the sunset in 2012 for a younger, progressive candidate to lead the charge in 2016 might just work.

The only con is that Hagel would then be a heartbeat from the presidency.  My biggest fear with Obama is his safety should he win the election.


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They'd Need To Negotiate A Lot Beforehand (0.00 / 0)
But I think there's potential common ground.

Here's an example: Gay marriage. Obama's in favor, Hagel is against. Irreconcilable? Think again. If you look at Hagel's position, he's against it for religious reasons. He opposes a federal constitutional amendment, and thinks that should be a state issue. He seems to leave the door open for civil unions.

Now, there are something like 40 states with constitutional amendments prohibiting gay marriage. The "M word" runs very much against gays in most places. But civil unions are another story. Out here in Washington State, the legislature just passed a civil unions law that is marriage in everything but the label.

So, a compromise between Hagel and Obama on that one would allow Hagel to keep his objections, keep the federalist component, yet favor civil unions and federal recognition of them, and favor non-discrimination in employment including the military.

I suspect there are similar bargains to be struck on other issues.


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Who do we want in 2016? (4.00 / 1)
The "balanced ticket" doesn't work for Obama because he has set himself up explicitly as the transformative candidate. Whomever he picks as his VP will be the favorite to succeed him. Therefore, picking someone as VP who represents the establishment will only undermine Obama's appeal and be counterproductive to the movement he's trying to create.

Obama Is Every Bit As "Establishment" As Anyone Else (0.00 / 0)
The guy isn't some saint who landed here from Mars. He's a South Side Chicago politician who has used an experienced Democratic consultant (Axelrod) to run a campaign straight out of Chicago politics: the lakefront reformer v. the party regular.

In those contests, the lakefront reformer is invariably just as beholden to his own godfathers as anyone else. Anyone who thinks Obama is some uniquely sainted character needs to go read Boss by the late Mike Royko. Among other things, it describes Mayor Richard J. Daley's roots as a "reform" politician.

I'm in favor of Obama, but I'm not some starry-eyed child from Daily Kos, and I recommend that no one else be either.


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Never ever consider Clinton in a million years (0.00 / 0)
NEVER.

Not after the crap she's pulled.

As for Obama

1. Richardson - Latino, foreign relations credibility. But, is the country ready for a Black AND a Latino? I dunno.

2. Webb - White, Christian, Former Republican, Military Man, From a swing state, and into economic populism. But, HE WILL NOT BE CONTROLLED...so, don't even go into it thinking that he will be controlled under any circumstances.

3. Feingold - is the country ready for a Black and a Jew? I dunno.

4. Sebelius - I'm not against a woman President. I'm just not down with Hillpatine. Sebelius works for me, but is the country ready for a ticket with a Black Man and White Woman?

5. I don't want anyone who endorsed Hillary Clinton.


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