Polls and Delegates In Remaining Primary States

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 15:43


Here are the latest polling averages in the remaining states and territories, along with crude delegate projections based on those averages:

Democratic Nomination Primary Schedule
State Date O % C % P. Del Obama Del Clinton Del
Pennsylvania Apr 22 41.8% 48.2% 158 74 84
Guam May 03 -- -- 4 2 2
Indiana May 06 43.0% 52.0% 72 33 39
North Carolina May 06 51.3% 36.0% 115 66 49
West Virginia May 13 24.5% 49.0% 28 9 19
Kentucky May 20 29.0% 58.0% 51 17 34
Oregon May 20 -- -- 52 27 25
Puerto Rico Jun 01 -- -- 55 23 32
Montana Jun 03 -- -- 16 8 8
South Dakota Jun 03 -- -- 15 8 7
Total June 10 -- -- 566 267 299

These numbers provide two key insights:

  1. First, Obama clearly still has some work to do. While dropping a net of 32 pledged delegates to Clinton in the remaining states would hardly be crippling to his campaign, it also wouldn't be great. In terms of general election momentum, the last thing Obama needs is to stumble home to the nomination, with Clinton winning the majority of the remaining states and delegates. In terms of winning the nomination, Obama also doesn't want to give Clinton any light at all, especially considering how the narrative is starting to focus on her slim hopes to win the nomination. The Obama goal should be to at least split the remaining delegates, and pull out victories in Indiana, North Carolina, Oregon, Montana and South Dakota. Not only would that close off any possible remaining paths to the nomination for Clinton, it would also shield Obama from any negative momentum that might accrue by falling backward into the nomination.

  2. Second, these numbers show just how inaccurate it is to measure progress in the campaign by looking at who won what states. Specifically, even though Clinton is projected to win both Pennsylvania and Indiana by decent margins right now, in the April 22nd to May 6th period she is only projected to gain one pledged delegate on Obama. This is because, in terms of delegates, how much someone wins a state by matters far more than just winning a state, and Obama is way ahead in North Carolina. In fact, winning congressional districts is actually way more important than winning states, given that 65% of pledged delegates are determined at the congressional district level, while only 35% are determined at the statewide level. Further, which congressional districts you win matter just as much as which states a candidate wins since, just like states, the number of delegates in each district varies significantly (the range is from a low of three delegates to a high of ten delegates). Yet further, it also matters how much you win congressional districts by, since different amounts of delegates are handed out for different levels of victory. In other words, the strategy for winning delegates in the Democratic nomination campaign has little or no bearing on the strategy to win the Electoral College, making electability arguments on who won what primary state a truly pointless apples and oranges exercise. We might as well argue which NBA player would do better in the NFL based on their basketball skills.

As far as ending the nomination campaign goes, Obama is 8% away from doing that in Pennsylvania, and 10% away from doing that in Indiana. Given the direction of the campaign and Obama's current resource advantage, both seem tantalizing within reach. However, even though I will be voting for him tonight at my local Democratic Party ward meeting, I will still remain utterly shocked if he is able to win my home state of Pennsylvania.    

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Just a note (4.00 / 1)
I noticed your Quick Hit first, and it has a confusing typo:

Pennsylvania keeps getting closer, but I still refuse to believe that Clinton can win here.

Great post, by the way.  Keep the insightful primary coverage coming!


Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota estimates are whacked (4.00 / 1)
Other than that, it's a very good post.

You've got him netting 3 delegates out of those 3 states. That ain't going to happen. He'll net double figures there.

This thing is trending anti-Hillary very strongly over the last week or so. Obama is peaking at the right time in PA.

We've got something like a perfect storm coming for HRC: tax news, campaign finances; Bill and others' bullying; Ickes and Wolfson foot-in-mouth disease; viral videos; super delegates declaring at a greater pace; Corzine all but jumping ship; Carter all but endorsing; Obama out campaigning and out spending her in PA; polls tightening fast.

He's in relatively good shape in PA and getting better every day.


Oregon Should go Stronger for Obama (0.00 / 0)
Washington and Colorado should be the best models for Oregon. Rural/mountain plus big metro area. High tech and creative class. A lot of Liberal and Libertarian Democrats.

Clinton does better with Appalachian and Rust Belt Democrats. She is really disliked by a lot of Western Democrats, even if that emotional response shouldn't really apply.


[ Parent ]
Insider Advantage poll at 2% margin (0.00 / 0)
Hillary is ahead in PA, but only by 2% per Insider Advantage.

It is well known that suburban white folks (at least in the North) don't like to see themsleves as racist.  If Obama's ads and local appearances can cement enough of a feeling that he is really a pretty normal guy and not a screaming radical, plus his policies are pretty good, I'd imagine there are more than a few people who would resent the constant low-level drumbeat that whites won't vote for a black man.  Obviously, a great many will--they are only a few peercentage points apart in the cross-tabs.  

There was a fair amount of talk about whites being comfortable voting for Obama around the time of Iowa and NH, but it died down around super Tuesday, then was followed by brown-won't-vote-black talk.  Now we have the white-won't talk again.  I'd bet it is at best break-even, if not backfiring.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


Survey USA (0.00 / 0)
who has been the most accurate so far has it:

Clinton 53

Obama 41

Their numbers carry more weight than an obscure poll or a pollster.com average that includes unimportant polls.


[ Parent ]
popular vote? (0.00 / 0)
Would it be possible to estimate popular vote totals too? It would be interesting to see an estimate of what the final popular vote would be based on current polls, past turnout, and increased voter turnout in similar states earlier this year.

My estimate (0.00 / 0)
I assume six million voters in these states. Then, I divide the projected Clinton minus Obama delegate margin in the remaining states by the remaining pledged delegates. From that math, a margin of about 350,000 in favor of Clinton is the current estimate.  

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Polls are showing very interesting (0.00 / 0)
results.  PPP has Obama in the lead by two points in PA (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Penn_Release_040208_1.pdf).  In NC, he leads by 18 points (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_033108.pdf).

At this point, there is almost nothing Clinton can do to regain momentum, not to mention the lead.  In my view, Obama will win most of the remaining states and pledged delegates.   The only real question that remains is, How gracious will Clinton be?  


I'm curious about you Indiana numbers (0.00 / 0)
Every poll I've seen for Indiana (all 2 of them) has Obama ahead something like 41% to 25%.  Obviously those are soft polls with HUGE Keith numbers.  Even still, I can't imagine that in this climate everything broke her way in Indiana.

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