Could Turnout Decline In 2008?

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 19:45


No one is enthusiastic about supporting McCain:

McCain, on the other hand, could only manage to bring in $15 million for the month -- including just $4 million from the grassroots -- moving his overall haul for 2008 to under $40 million. In other words, McCain couldn't raise in three months what Obama was able to raise just this past month alone (a fundraising month that actually represented a decline of more than a quarter from the previous month). Pitting McCain against Clinton, the Republican in three months took in just 70 percent of what the Democrat was able to bring in during just two months.

Obama raises more online every month than McCain raises in total. Clinton and Obama combined are raising about twelve times what McCain is raising in small donors. This might be the largest grassroots discrepancy ever seen in a presidential campaign.

Then again, not many people are enthusiastic about opposing McCain, either:

Despite the millions of dollars pooling around Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, anti-McCain funds have fallen far short of the hopes set in November, when a key organizer, Tom Matzzie, reportedly told The Washington Post that the "Fund for America" would raise more than $100 million to support the activities of a range of allied groups.

The Democratic National Committee, too, is organizing an anti-McCain campaign, but a spokeswoman, Karen Finney, said fundraising to support that effort has met "mixed" results.

So while news releases and Internet ads have been launched, the largest-bore weapon in contemporary politics - a sustained television campaign - hasn't. That's because, people involved say, the soft-money groups don't have the soft money.

The ad doesn't cite specifics, but such numbers are hard to come by for 501(c)4 and 527 groups. A useful proxy is to compare the DNC versus the RNC, since the founding purpose of both groups is to compete in the presidential general election. So far, in 2007-2008, while Democratic presidential candidate fundraising has swamped Republican presidential candidate fundraising, the RNC has raised $108M to the DNC's $67M. At least according to this example, Democrats are lagging in money to pursue an anti-Republican or pro-Democratic message in the general election. Our money seems to be pro-Obama or pro-Clinton, not anti-McCain or pro-Democrat.

All of this suggests a possibility I have been considering for some time: an open seat, general election campaign between Obama and McCain could result in turnout levels closer to 2000 (105M voters) than 2004 (123M voters). Despite massive primary turnout and the general upward trend in voter turnout across the country over the past six years, a general election lacking a clear villain for either side could reduce turnout. Even though the mood of the country is extremely negative, there is no incumbent. Further, both Obama and McCain have very high favorable ratings, including decent favorable ratings among members of the opposing party. Yet further, the ideological difference would appear less stark, as Obama campaigns on unity and bipartisanship, and as the media never stops calling McCain a maverick moderate. In short, the most important factor driving voter turnout--the belief that the outcome of the election really matters-might actually wane in 2008, despite the trends of the last six years.

Now, I could be wrong, and small donations are just one measure of voter excitement. For one thing, it is quite possible that as the election season drags on, as the focus turns to the general election, and as the independent expenditures heat up, both McCain and Obama will become far more polarizing figures. Second, perhaps the new Democratic focus of being pro-someone, rather than anti-someone, won't actually hurt turnout. Perhaps instead of coming out to vote against McCain, much like most Democrats came out to vote against Bush in 2004, this time around most Democrats and Democratic leaning independents will come out to vote for Obama. Further, there are indications that in 1992, Ross Perot drove turnout through the roof, as there were actually the same amount of voters in 1992 as there were in 2000 (and 1992 actually had far more voters than 1996). So, maybe the direct appeal to independents might help turnout.

However, I have to admit that there just doesn't seem to be as much excitement "on the street" about the general election as there was in 2004. Perhaps that is because the primary isn't quite over yet, and people haven't switched focus. Perhaps that is because it is still April, and the election is seven months away. Or, perhaps it is because Democrats and progressives just aren't as pumped up about beating McCain as we were about beating Bush four years ago. If the latter is the case, and I certainly think it is a strong possibility, I wouldn't be surprised if we failed to reach 120M voters in the general election this year.  

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I'll take the over. (0.00 / 0)
I have no specific reason why though...

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My prediction would be a bit higher than 2004 (0.00 / 0)
Why?  Because Hillary is an extremely strong candidate and she lost to Obama.  

In 2004 Kerry nearly lost against someone who was only running to make a political statement.

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That's why we need to drive home the point (4.00 / 3)
that McCain is an incumbent.  He is Bush on steroids.  He is going to carry on the Bush legacy.  He believes that Bush's polices weren't wrong, they just weren't executed properly.

Moods will change.  They better.  I've turned my attention away from Hillary and towards McCain now.  The rage is beginning to take hold.


McSame ... (0.00 / 0)
Or, perhaps it is because Democrats and progressives just aren't as pumped up about beating McCain as we were about beating Bush four years ago.

Is it because our primary is not over yet?  Don't you think once Hillary cedes that the focus will turn full bore to McSame?  I do.  Do you really think any Democrat worth his/her salt wants to live through another 4 years of a Rethuglican president?  Not me.  I don't just wanna beat Huggy Bear .. I want to stomp him into the ground .. grind him into the dust


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If it's pay per click (0.00 / 0)
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Good points on money (0.00 / 0)
Listening to my pro-Obama friends, a lot of them have proclaimed to stay home if he isn't the nominee, while my Clinton friends are smarter and shrug and tell me they like Obama "and I'll vote for him and everything, but I just prefer Clinton". On the other hand, I'm hearing a lot of Clinton money people are holding onto their money in terms of giving to other  groups if Clinton isn't the nominee. It's interesting how the money people are disconnected from the grassroots voters I know who prefer Clinton.


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Obama's Supporters Won't Know What Hit Them (0.00 / 0)
A lot of them are first-timers who think the world begins and ends with their guy. It's simultaneously touching and offputting. When I read "Daily Kos" these days, it's like a revival meeting or maybe a bunch of Hare Krishnas from the '70s. I wonder how many of them faint every day when they write those long, gushing diaries.

I was in Washington when the Reaganites came in. They thought that man could walk on water. The Obama "Kossacks" are cut from exactly the same cloth, although I just know they'd be incredibly insulted to hear it. This is in the nature of politics. There's often more than a bit of a cult element involved. Eric Hoffer's The True Believer nailed it, I think.

Like a lot of people, I like to see arrogance brought low, so I have to admit that a part of me is looking forward to the day when Obama, as president, is seen to have bargained away something near 'n dear to the Kossacks. And you can be absolutely certain that he'll have to do it more than once. Many more times than once, in fact.

The first thing to go will probably be any sort of quick withdrawal from Iraq. Face it, four years from now, even under Obama, there'll be 50,000 Americans there + 100,000 contractors. Including Blackwater, which will have disappeared in corporate form but definitely not in function, because without them you'd have helicopters taking off from the roof of the U.S. embassy. O! The betrayal! Folks, it's going to happen. If Obama doesn't know it now, just wait until someone sits him down and lays out the reality of the oil situation and the consequences of an abrupt withdrawal. Pardon the pun, but the man's going to turn white as a ghost.

And then there's the coming health care debate. That's going to happen just as the bill for both Iraq and the housing collapse (and bailout, whose magnitude we haven't begun) to face, not to mention the imminent collapse of Medicare (including Part D, which is a time bomb) and Social Security's flip from net contributor to the budget to net drain. This will all happen as the economy is in recession, placing major upward pressure on not just the federal deficit but state and local governments too.

Liberals better get prepared for a very bumpy ride. When I look at the Obama cohort in particular, I see a level of naivete that rivals that of, oh, I don't know, the average junior high school cheerleader? Don't get me wrong, he's going to be president, and he's earned it. I'll vote for him too. But the difficulty of his presidency is going to make Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and George Bush Sr.'s terms look like walks in the park.


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Reaganites vs Obamabots (0.00 / 0)
Like a lot of people, I like to see arrogance brought low, so I have to admit that a part of me is looking forward to the day when Obama, as president

That's a form of arrogance itself, isn't it?

Many have said what you're saying. It probably isn't going to go down the way you think.

Reagan's people believed until the man died that he could do no wrong. I do not necessarily stipulate that there is a large group with the same unconditional lust for Obama. But if there is a Reagan-like cargo cult, that would imply a similar long tail of myopic love.

I suspect that there will be enough good things happening under Obama to offset any right-wing capitulations, at least in the eyes of committed Obama supporters, just as Reaganites looked the other way when he raised taxes, reduced civil liberties, increased deficit spending, promoted terrorism abroad, increased the homeless population a thousandfold overnight, and generally ballooned the size of the government.


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Perspective (0.00 / 0)
That was a rhetorical statement about arrogance brought low. Don't take it literally. It's in the same category as saying John Kerry got what he deserved for running such an incompetent campaign.

Back in '88 and '92 a friend of mine who was a Democratic Party official told me that he'd just as soon see the Republicans win because the country was in such bad shape that they ought to have to deal with the problems they'd created. At the time, I told he was nuts, if for no other reason than a Republican victory would let them appoint the Supreme Court.

Also at the time, I wasn't nearly as pessimistic as my friend about the country. I didn't think things were that bad, especially in '92.  

This time around, I really do think the country is in a deep hole. I think we're on the brink of not just a recession but a depression. I'd still rather have a Democratic president, partly because of the Supreme Court but mainly because I'm a lifelong Democrat and that's who I want in power.

But I have to say, that in my lizard brain, the naivete of the Obama crowd is more noticeable than usual, even by political standards. So is the superficiality. Most of his followers are about as thoughtful as a Target advertisement. Call it my unruly appreciation for irony, but I think some rueful chuckles lie ahead.  


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That's how I felt in 2004 (0.00 / 0)
I'd wanted to see Bush, Inc. stuck in DC and forced to confront their own quagmire, rather than out on the book tour circuit "re-filling the coffers".

I know it was not the politically correct response - for the good of the nation, anyway - but watching them walk away from the mess they created just didn't seem right.

It still doesn't.  

I admit, a part of me would like to see McCain get the WH and have to sit there - fuming - while his predictions about "success" in Iraq are each shown to be a fantasy.

Even, Clinton - with her continued support for her votes to support the war - I won't feel sorry for her when if all goes south and she takes a hit for "losing" Iraq.

Obama?  He is the least deserving of the situation he may inherit in Jan. 2009.  Maybe that's why I trust that he is best positioned to deal with the fall-out - he has less of a political stake in the past than the others.


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Um, I Don't Think So (0.00 / 0)
Obama?  He is the least deserving of the situation he may inherit in Jan. 2009.  Maybe that's why I trust that he is best positioned to deal with the fall-out - he has less of a political stake in the past than the others.

Politics isn't about what you deserve, it's about the hand you're dealt. If you think the public is going to give Obama some sort of wild card in the event that all hell breaks loose, then, well, all I can say is let's meet again in two or three years and see how that worked out.


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I admitted it wasn't good politics (0.00 / 0)
I did not mean to imply that Obama deserved to be president any more than ony one else.

I don't have much hope that the war in Iraq is going to go well over the next 4 years.  I think the situation is worse than the Bush League is willing to admit - they are making a best case argument.  That said - I don't think it really matters who the US President is (in terms of the war) - they won't be able to stop the quagmire.  Furthermore, it will be in the nature of Americans and the M$M to blame "the new guys" for the loss.  That's the next President's Administration.  Of the three - Clinton and McCain were best positioned to stop the war before it started; they abicated and cheered, respectively.  

Plus, they have a history - especially McCain - with regard to the war that makes "staying the course" more likely, because it underscores their original votes - which were supportive of the war.  It "underscores" McCain's entire political image!

Obama does not have that motive - he's more of an "outsider" in this case.  I think that gives him more leeway and more manuevering room.  Further, if he's serious when he talks about transparency and open descision-making, well that can only help. It does not say that I think he can turn a defeat into a victory, or a mistake into a positive war-fighting experience.

Truthfully it demonstrates how pitiful my choices for president are, but perhaps, that's another story.


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We've Been Uncommonly Lucky With Presidents (0.00 / 0)
But I think the string started running out with Nixon. Since him, we've really only had one good president (Clinton), no great ones, and one utter disaster.

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Did anyone else notice ? (0.00 / 0)
Did anyone else notice that Hillary raised roughly the same amount of money this month as McCain ?

She said a little bit under 20 millions and McCain said well above 15 millions.


Turnout Will Be Up (4.00 / 4)
I'll predict (those are two words I should avoid) that turnout will be way, way up with Obama as the nominee.  I think it could surpass 1960, which, as I recall is considered the highest turnout ever.  Back when these records started being kept well, such as in the 1940's through the late 1960's many people were disenfranchised, especially African-Americans in the south but the poll tax kept others away too.  It was far worse for AA's but I bet the poll tax kept a statistically significant proportion of others away too.  De jurie and de facto barriers toward participation by Hispanics -- hopefully -- will be swept away too as part of our rising tide.  

Today, people are getting a little sick of the contest, not just us junkies.  With the campaigns sucking up so much money I'm not surprised that some of the soft money groups are struggling a bit.  There will be a summer vacation, a lull that will last awhile.  I want a vacation.  By Labor Day this thing is going to set records for participation absent something truly awful.  Just wait, and make sure the local election officials can handle the new registrations.


I Agree Turnout Will Be Up (0.00 / 0)
Lots of signs of it. Democratic registrations are skyrocketing. Republicans might be on the soft side, but Democrats are going to be another story. This year, the polls are going to be mobbed.

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Democrats dont trust the party (0.00 / 0)
so why would we donate to it. we all know its better to cherry pick the candidates we support. republicans on the other hand have a higher party loyalty not to mention more big donors. the money and turnout has been plowing into the BOHRC event. I read nothing into these donation numbers to suggest Dem turnout will be low.

not to mention, how can we have excitement "on the street" for the general when we don't have a decided primary even????

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Turn-out will be low? (0.00 / 0)
I understand the arguments regarding the ebb and flow of populist interest in light of the absence of definitive villain but since when is turnout-up/down the measure by which we elect the POTUS? Shouldn't we focus on turnout-where instead? Unless the electoral college goes on spring break, it is still their constitutional function to determine the presidency. I'm puzzled as to the intent of what appears to be an intellectual subterfuge. Am I missing something?

Historically (0.00 / 0)
bad economic times drive turnout higher.

If the recession continues over the summer and into the fall, my guess is we will see pretty high turnout.  


Other Way Around, I Think (0.00 / 0)
The U.S. economy peaked in the 1960s, and that's when turnout was highest. The records were in '60 and '64. By '68, turnout was in decline.

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Obama reminds of Clinton's husband (0.00 / 0)
kind of.  Strangely, he strikes me as a bit more down-to-earth - of course, that may just be my own advanced maturity since the early '90's (or not).

Clinton was a let-down in many of the same ways folks seem to think Obama will be a let-down.  I just don't see that as a compelling argument not to give Barack the nod.  



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