Do the maps show where the uncommitted delegates are? (0.00 / 0)

The answer's probably obvious to someone who can read maps, but not to me.

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by: ThomasPaine @ Thu May 15, 2008 at 13:19:02 PM CDT

Nope. (0.00 / 0)

Glancing at the list, it looks like there are a fair number in states that were close, states that have not yet voted or voted recently, and Florida and Michigan.

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by: dreaminonempty @ Thu May 15, 2008 at 13:27:34 PM CDT

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Interesting you chose these colors green and yellow. (0.00 / 1)

Obama gets Corn Belt supers = ethanol
Clinton gets "Green" energy Supers in the blue states

Obama was set up by the ethanol (and nuke power and clean coal)lobby, and it is interesting that this is clear picture of that: where Clinton gets the Green supers, like these Senators who voted against the Cheney Oil Bill
Boxer (D-CA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Schumer (D-NY)

Obamas initial support to run came from the dirty energy lobby. For example,

partners from the Atlanta-based law firm Alston & Bird donated $33,000 to Obama in the first 90 days of 2007.

Alston & Bird has a large lobbying division in Washington. It billed its clients nearly $3.9 million in 2006, ranking 35th among Washington lobbyists. Alston boasts on its website that it offers clients "unique experience with how policy is made" and knows "the people who make it: government and agency officials; members of Congress and their staff."

Daschle joined Bob Dole (R)  at Alston & Bird in 2003, and both now are Obama advisors through The Bipartisan Policy Center

...Obama's biggest single source of corporate money - $160,000 - came from executives at Exelon Corp., the nation's largest nuclear power provider, and its subsidiary, Commonwealth Edison, an Illinois utility.

Exelon spent $500,000 to influence policy in Washington last year.
 

John McCain vetoes every Environmental Bill already.

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by: dotcommodity @ Thu May 15, 2008 at 17:19:35 PM CDT

Obama Supported ADM... (4.00 / 1)

Even knowing what "ethanol" did in terms of input-to-output ratio and its effects on global warming. He seemed all too willing to stand by them when he got campaign contributions, but has done little on other alternative energy sources - other than lift, whole-cloth Clinton's Green Jobs Policy for his feel-good speech in Cape Girardeau, MO.

My grandmother was from Cape Girardeau - a loyal Democrat through and through, Harry Truman-style. They don't call Missouri the "Show Me State" for nothing. He'll have a hard time there - as evidenced by his paper thin win in the primary.

Thanks a load, though, Claire McCaskill!

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by: mabelle55 @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:13:28 AM CDT

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Exelon details. (4.00 / 1)

I'm hesitant to conclude that energy policy is the reason these supers endorsed Clinton (except Chafee), as most have given other, in my opinion stronger, reasons for endorsement.  Not to mention I don't think Clinton has much of an energy policy either.

Obama has received $179111 from Exelon employees according to Open Secrets.  This includes 28 donations of $2300.  It depends on how you define it, but it looks like over half of the donors are executives.  Most of the donations seem to be early last year.

A lot of those 28 max donors also maxed out to John McCain, it's interesting to note.  

I don't like Obama's energy policy very much, but $179000 just isn't very much compared to his $200 million dollar haul or whatever it's up to by now.  I don't think we should worry that dirty energy companies are wooing him with cash, I think we should worry that his energy policies are perhaps more than a bandaid - maybe a tourniquet - but what the patient needs is an intensive care unit.

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by: dreaminonempty @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:40:15 AM CDT

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an intensive care unit. (0.00 / 0)

Indeed.

Heres the details of the plan that works like that:

What Should Al Gore Do?

John McCain vetoes every Environmental Bill already.

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by: dotcommodity @ Sun May 18, 2008 at 15:50:40 PM CDT

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Goodness, You're Right! (4.00 / 1)

People don't like being told they don't count: Florida, Michigan, West Virginia.

Then, of course, there are all those other states east of the Mississippi where Barack lost the over 45- crowd that doesn't buy Barack's feel-good rhetoric, those without college degrees, those who don't live in urbia, those who don't have $100K lying around at their disposal. And for the religiously-challenged, Catholics and Jewish voters don't take kindly to being told to piss off, either.

Goodness, what are we going to do about that?

For some good reading, might want to check out David Broder's WaPo OP-ED today: http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

Also informative is John Mercurio's OP-ED over at Barack Central (aka MSNBC): http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24...

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by: mabelle55 @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:06:57 AM CDT

People don't like being told they don't count: (0.00 / 0)

Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

West Virginia counts, it just isn't determinitive on its own. Michigan and Florida do not and should not count and the Clinton campaign agreed with that until they started to lose.

Barack did ok with the demographics you listed west of the Mississippi and nobody is telling those to the east to ''piss off''. Does he have work to do to gain their support versus McCain? Sure. But you are making the usual Clinton supporter error of equating primary results and support with general election support. Some links to better and more informative reading with regard to this are listed below.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107...

http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

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by: conspiracy @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:43:17 AM CDT

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Not reflected in the superdelegates. (0.00 / 0)

The superdelegate support of Clinton and Obama in FL, MI and WV is not overwhelmingly in favor of Clinton like it is overwhelmingly in favor of Obama in parts of the West.  This implies that the superdelegates as a whole, at least, do not feel that Obama is belittling their state, although some certainly may.  Actually, both MI and FL have an unusual amount of superedelegates still undeclared.

And it's clear that those other states east of the Mississippi have a pretty unremarkable split in superdelegates considering the vote in each state, with the exception of New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania.  

If you have a quote where Obama or his chief campaign strategist told those without college degrees, those who don't live in cities, those who don't have $100K lying around at their disposal, Catholics or Jews to "piss off," I would love to see it.  I know plenty of Obama supporters online have said such things, and they were clearly in the wrong.

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by: dreaminonempty @ Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:15:30 AM CDT

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