Chris Bowers, Psychic Pundit! (Part I of The Deep Logic of Edwards For VP)

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat May 24, 2008 at 15:36


This is not an "Edwards for VP" candidate diary series.  But it is a very candid look at why Edwards makes a strong choice, the better to discuss the underlying forces at play.  The foundations of my argument comes from two different diaries Chris wrote, years apart.  The first-discuissed in this diary-concerns the need for connecting Democratic Party liberalism with a more non-idelogical reform tradition.  The second-discussed in the next diary-concerns the logic a reinforcing VP pick.  After discussing those two diaries, I'll review some recent polling data that shows Edwards as a very strong VP pick for Obama.

The first diary comes from a period in which Chris did some of his most fundamental thinking, in the immediate aftermath of the 2004 election, and it represented a culmination of almost a month of intensive analysis and reflection, starting with basic number-crunching, and reflecting critically on the results.  

The end result, Chris argued in "Eureka! Or How To Break the Republican Majority Coalition", was Barack Obama-although he didn't mention Obama by name.  But here's what he did say in an eerily prescient post:

I believe it is possible to break the majority Republican coalition, which is primarily an ideological coalition of conservatives against liberals, and create a majority Democratic coalition that will last for at least two or three decades, by liberalizing / progressivizing the 10-15% of the population that is currently primarily reform minded and non-ideological (and thus has a strong tendency to support major third-party efforts). While it is currently non-ideological, this segment of the population, which has existed in large numbers since at least the 1880's, has an outlook on politics that is far more closely allied with liberalism than conservatism because of its emphasis on reform. It is, to put it one way, latently liberal. This segment of the electorate can be swung toward the liberal camp, thus breaking the Republican majority coalition, if the pragmatic, non-dogmatic, reformer, anti-status quo, entrepreneurial aspects of liberalism are foregrounded and turned into a national narrative and platform. Pulling this off will also require dismantling the Great Backlash narrative of oppressive liberal elites, and replacing it with a narrative about conservatism being a force that relies on pure theory, faith-based worldviews, and that supports status-quo institutions such as corporations and the media.

Currently, the significant majority (60-70%) of the non-ideological "reformer" segment of the population, which has a tendency to vote in blocks, is allied with the Republican coalition. In fact, it was this addition to the Republican coalition that led to their 1994 sweep to power, and it remains the aspect of the Republican coalition that gives them their national slim majority (50-52% of the electorate). Primarily, this alliance is a result of the Great Backlash narrative, which identifies liberalism as an oppressive, status quo force in control of academia, the media, the entertainment industry, and the judiciary. However, unlike the conservative and evangelic / born again segments of the coalition that allies itself against liberalism on ideological grounds, the non-ideological element allies itself against liberalism not because of what liberalism stands for, but because liberals are viewed as powerful, anti-reform "insiders." It opposes liberalism not because of left / center / right reasons, but because of insider / outsider reasons. Best of all, because liberalism is a reformer ideology, liberals have the potential to swing this group more or less permanently, which is something that conservatism have never been able to do.

Of course, Chris didn't say that the way to outreach to the reformer segment of the population was to nominate one of them as our candidate for President, but that's precisely what we've done, and it's part of what's got us a little off balance, even as we're in a far superior place to where the Republicans are.  Instead of reaching out to the reformer wing, Obama has to reach back to the base of the party, while at the same time fighting the media love-fest delusion that his opponent, John McCain is himself a reformer.

In this strange position, the very sensible act of connecting the reformer wing and the Democratic base together is guaranteed to be portrayed as nothing more than simply playing to the base and trying to deceive those in the middle.  In short, Obama will be falsely accused of doing exactly what John McCain is actually doing.  But we'll worry about that later on.  First, let's take a closer look at what's going on in light of Chris's prescient diary from so long ago-and then, in the next installment, let's connect that with his more recent diary on reinforcing VP picks.

Paul Rosenberg :: Chris Bowers, Psychic Pundit! (Part I of The Deep Logic of Edwards For VP)
In his diary, Chris wrote:

This idea occurred to me as I was shifting through the blogosphere and election stats late Saturday night, which is my normal late-night routine. Past three a.m., four a.m., five a.m., I could not get past the enormous similarities I found in the following seven maps of failed, third-party electoral coalitions (my source is the world-class Dave Leip):

1912 Socialist

1912 Progressive

1924 Progressive

1948 Progressive

1980 Independent

1992 Reform

1996 Reform

Take a while to look at these seven maps, as all seven show the same pattern. Specifically, these significant third party campaigns found their strength in the Western, Midwestern and Northeastern parts of the country, but were extremely weak in the South. Except for the regional, segregationist third-party movements of 1948-1968, the South is where third-party movements go to die.

Liep's reference center page has moved here since Chris wrote his diary, and you can check out all seven maps for yourself. Here are just two of them, from very different eras, that should be enough to show the gist of what Chris was pointing to:

Progressives, 1924:

Reform Party, 1992:

Now look at how Barack Obama did in the Democratic primaries:

Obama, 2008:

The pattern is strikingly similar, except for the fact that he picks up enormous support from the black South-hardly a surprise, that.  The conclusion is inescable-next time you're in Philly, take Chris to the races, and double every bet he makes.

In his diary, Chris went on to look at two different groups of states, one with strong third-party traditions, the other without.  And he found that Kerry did much better among moderates in the latter group.  He went on to conclude:

In our current coalition, we have almost all of the liberals, and we have most of the ideological moderates. To complete a majority coalition, we need the reformers. I believe that "moderates" who are concerned with reform and supportive of third-party movements are streaming toward the Republican Party in order to strike a blow against the insider "elites" in charge of unpopular institutions: the media, academia, the judiciary and the entertainment industry. In do doing, they are performing a liberal act while allying with a conservative party. By positioning liberalism as a reformist ideology permanently struggling against elites--which it is--we could bring a large segment of the non-ideological "moderate" population back into the liberal camp on a semi-permanent basis. This would allow us to break the Republican majority coalition which is currently run by the nation's 34% conservative minority, and regain the reigns of power for the next generation....

Our future success is not predicated upon moving to the left or the right, but rather in our ability to move from the inside to the outside in the national political frame. This is something we succeeded in doing in the past. This is something that Republicans learned immediately following the Perot movement of 1992, and executed so brilliantly in their 1994 "Contract with America," campaign. The Contract With America was filled almost entirely with reformist, rather than conservative, legislative proposals. Conservatives won, and are currently in power, because they swung the reformer vote their way, even though our coalition is a more natural fit for such voters. We can change this and set things right. Howard Dean as DNC chair is a darn good place to start.

Now, of course, Dean did become DNC chair a couple of months after Chris wrote those words.  But Dean did not become the face of the party, standing strongly for reform.  Yet, the desire for reform was bigger than any one person, and it was clearly a major factor in Obama's success.

I want to make two comments about the orientation of reformist tendencies, before concluding this diary and moving on to look at Chris's diary about VP picks in my next diary.  These will both be important for us to keep in mind as we consider different alternatives on a number of different levels, both during the campaign and afterwards:

(1) The identification of liberals as anti-democratic elitists thwarting the public will is but one example of the age-old process I've described before in terms of Projection and Shadow Elites.  Thus, for example, the vast majority of "judicial activism" is conservative in nature.  But conservatives never complain about that.  In fact, it's almost completely invisible to them.  It's only "judicial activism" when they don't like the results.

(2) The reformist tendencies Chris alludes to were polled intensively by independent pollster Alan Kay, who discovered that the reform proposals of the time fell into two categories-those that limited the power of elected government officials, such as term limits, and those that enhanced the power of ordinary citizens, such as national deliberative polling to determine public preferences in the shaping of major legislation.  Support for these two types of measures were roughly equal.  Yet, it is quite obvious that the first types of "reform" can easily be used to cripple effective democratic government, since they do nothing to impede the informal power of special interests, while conservatives have strong interest in suppressing the role of public opinion across the vast majority of issue areas.  This has always been true for roughly 2/3rds of the issues historically covered in opinion research, but in recent years has become true for virtually every single major issue, as public trust has swung dramatically away from the Republican Party.

Together, these two points strongly indicate the need to take a proactive approach in bridge-building with ideological reformers-including Barack Obama himself.  There are very real liberal/conservative differences that have deep roots and wide-ranging implications.  It behooves us to become much more familiar with, and committed to the deep logic of liberalism, and how it can help produce much more  


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Edwards can sell Nader or Feingold style progressivism to Perot or Dobbs style populists (4.00 / 3)
and THAT is why he's a fantastic candidate.

Lest we forget, every focus group who heard him in the debate thought he "won". This is a guy who can make the moral case, the non-partisan case for universal health care, lobbyist reform, trade reform.

Edwards-Obama would be the change ticket, the hope ticket, the progressive ticket.

Honestly, you can think of more progressive VPs than Edwards. But they'd be less electable, and less good on the stump.

You can argue that in spite of his huge poll numbers for Obama, that someone more conservative would be more electable. But is that really worth it?


change debate to debates (4.00 / 2)
And don't make me bust out youtube videos from three different debates to prove it. Because I will, if I have to. And screw up summer school if I gotta.  

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A little late for Edwards-Obama (4.00 / 1)
I take it you mean Obama-Edwards?

It works for my man Gore too, as he has positioned himself on the outside since 2000.  

BTW, speaking of Chris' greatest hits, what about the 5-part series he did on Kos --was it in 2003?  After the 2002 election?

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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Freudian slip (4.00 / 1)
I have to say, I'll bet that Obama-Gore is a pretty electable ticket and pretty progressive. Although Gore's pro-NAFTA cheerleading in the 1990s doesn't play well with those Perot/Dobbs style independents.

Either way, Obama should definitely consider both Gore and Edwards based on who he'd like to work with. Because they're both great on policy, and both highly popular figures these days.


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There's No Evidence That Someone More Conservative WOULD be More Electable (4.00 / 6)
You're not going to get hardcore conservatives, no matter what.  You will get some conservatives--mostly those identifying as Democrats or independents--and potentially a shitload of moderates as well.

Edwards delivers these sorts of voters better than anyone else the Democrats have right now, because those identifications are largely culture-based, and they identify with him, plus they tend to be very populist, so his message is perfect, too.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I agree. A lot of self-described "conservatives" don't even know what the word means. (4.00 / 4)
It's more of a gut feeling. Is this person from the America I know, or are they from that other strange America? John Edwards is from the America a lot of these people know, and that explains how he had so many self-described "conservative" democrats and independents voting for him.

It's more about identity than ideology.


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Picking Edwards as VP would also helf eliminate the possibility that... (4.00 / 1)
Obama might get RFK'd (or won't later be JFK'd for tragically choosing LBJ as his VP).

End this war. Stop John McCain. Cindy McCain is filthy rich.

Not A Minor Consideration At All (0.00 / 0)
I hate to be so grim.  But...

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Wow, I can't believe a respected Democratic pundit/blogger actually agreed with my conspiracy thoery..... (0.00 / 0)
Really it was a joke, the type of which a lot of people (Democrats) wouldn't appreciate.

But truly the similarities are striking. JFK had a very hard-fought primary against LBJ, then chose him as VP to help "reconcile" the party. We all know what happened next.

It is also well known and widely reported that LBJ and (at least) Bill Clinton have CIA connections and have worked for them in the past.

Also JFK and Obama both not being old American family wasps, like both Clinton and LBJ.

End this war. Stop John McCain. Cindy McCain is filthy rich.


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Here is why I don't think it will happen (0.00 / 0)
Let me clear that I really have no strong favorites for the job and would be pretty happy with Edwards... can't really think of anyone particular who would make me happier as a running mate, except perhaps Feingold but that's not gonna happen either... but back to my point:

While we're all clueless, I have a feeling that Obama has a pretty good idea what his running mate looks like. He may not have a name but he must have at least pretty clear criteria, and I have a feeling Edwards is not a match.

Remember all the talk of deal-making and all the wait for Edwards to endorse? His endorsement before Feb 5th would have been incredibly valuable for Obama. It was a time when his odds of winning were around 30%. Edwards' endorsement would also have been of tremendous value to him before OH, PA and most recently NC, but it never came. It makes you wonder, why did Obama not let Edwards know that he'd have him as his running mate if he were the nominee? Even if he was his second or third choice, was it not worth the compromise? I think he would have had so much more to gain by picking Edwards back then and if he didn't do so then (at least privately), I don't think he will do so now.


I think that's a valid point of view. But what if that's actually Edwards's strength? (4.00 / 7)
If Edwards endorsed Obama in February, MAYBE he'd have helped Obama or maybe not. But he would have become an "Obama supporter", period. He would be with the "Obama wing" of the Democratic party.

By staying out so long, Edwards built up his reputation for neutrality. He said nice things about both candidates. He has the respect of both Hillary and Obama supporters.

That means that if Obama picks Edwards, he's more likely to get a "unity bump" than if he picked someone who went strongly in his corner from the get go, like Kathleen Sibelious.

So there IS benefit to picking someone who isn't your best buddy.

Not to say that it's better. Just different. Now it depends, how much does Obama want someone who's been on his side longer? I wouldn't fault him for picking someone more "loyal".


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This a pretty good point (4.00 / 2)
similar to the one that Edwards didn't endorse to let Obama win essentially 'on his own,' but wiser.

I think of good VP this cycle as "doubt removers" - Obama as charismatic as he is, as deeply his message resonates with broad sections of America, is also the new kid, some "old hat" helps calm the decision making. Edwards and Gore are that exactly, having been vetted more than all others, America knows these two well, respects them.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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What Sticks Out For Me Is A Lot Of Supposition On Your Part (4.00 / 2)
And of course, you could be right about all of it.

But I'm trying to do something quite different here.  I'm trying to construct a logical argument about how known things fit together, how they can work together, how we can make a stronger party.

Even if Edwards isn't the pick, this sort of exercise helps us develop a critical framework for thinking about how to move forward.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Good discussion (4.00 / 2)
"Even if Edwards isn't the pick, this sort of exercise helps us develop a critical framework for thinking about how to move forward."

Were it so that the Obama people were going through the same framework! One can always hope....


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Edwards may have privately endoresed Obama (4.00 / 1)
but said something along the lines of "I want my home state to decide who it's for, first."  Other Supers certainly took this approach.

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Edwards (4.00 / 1)
I like him Paul, and think he is an intriguing pick.  But long story short, Does he want it?  He says no.  Unless you have some info we don't and we take him at his word, then its a moot point.

Do you honestly think he'd turn Obama down if Obama asked him? (4.00 / 1)
I don't think it's moot.

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Depends (4.00 / 3)
I think it depends on what Obama lets Edwards do.  If Obama let Edwards keep pushing his anti-poverty initiative all the way to November (and in the White House) I think he'd take it.

But if Obama only emphasized the need for Edwards to stay on message and go along, he probably would not take the job.  Just a guess, of course, but based on internet rumors, so it must be true.


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And if Obama starts talking poverty (4.00 / 4)
I would expect the Republicans to truly go ballistic with their racist bullshit.  Though it could be an interesting dog whistle to have Edwards talking poverty and Obama at the top of the ticket, talking change.

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have Edwards talking poverty and Obama at the top of the ticket, talking change. (4.00 / 4)
Done. Ding. and the script credit goes to Valatan. As a script writer nobody plays you when this goes hollywood, but that is the perfect 1 2 punch. So much so, I cant think of another.

I feel just a touch more sure of the Democratic ticket than I did an hour ago.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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I think it might be a bgneeral template for a VP candidate that is both reinforcing and balancing (4.00 / 1)
We should have a VP that can articulate what sort of change is the change that we're seeking.  It simultaneously balances out Obama's perceived weakness of being vague on details, while reinforcing his entire change narrative.  

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Let Me Reiterate... This Is NOT A Candidate Diary (4.00 / 4)
This is a logical argument diary.  It's about thinking in larger chunks, which is part of what it takes to make our politics as a whole smarter.  Of course the more that I make the argument, and the stronger it begins to seem, the more I get drawn into taking it personally.

But--and this is crucial--I would be equally happy to see someone respond by developing a similarly comprehensive argument for another progressive alternative, particularly one that is grounded in some sort of data.

In short, I am trying to do my part to make our political discourse less about a barrage of different impressions, emotions, talking points and what have you, and more about developing comprehensive worldviews.

In fact, that's the whole reason I'm here at Open Left in the first place.  And this is just another application of that idea.

So, in conclusion, two points:

(1) What I'm writing here, and the sort of thinking it's meant to promote, the sort of discussion it's meant to promote has an independent validity, regardless of whether Edwards would ever change his mind.  (This is not the case for idle gossip, of course.  Unless, of course, that's your thing.)

(2) We have no idea if Edwards would accept the VP if it became obvious that (a) he would help the ticket like no one else, and (b) Obama wanted him.  Right now--as I'll get into shortly, it looks like (a) is the case.  And if (a) is the case, and the arguments I'm developing are valid, then (b) could also become true.

Therefore, it seems perfectly reasonable to keep writing and thinking about an Edwards VP possibility.

Finally, if nothing else, it can help set a benchmark that makes it easier to see how others stack up.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Kerry/Edwards (4.00 / 2)
One of my initial complaints about Edwards as VP was he didn't seem to help Kerry much at all.  What I find interesting about the argument you put forward is it explains why Obama could be helped out by Edwards or someone like him in a way that is not personality based.  While Kerry should have gone with someone that re-enforced his military background and strength, Obama has different needs and different re-enforcement criteria.

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That's Quite True (4.00 / 2)
The "he didn't help Kerry" argument is based on assuming an interchangability that I just don't think is true.

It's worth considering, of course.  In many cases a VP candiate's weakness is indicative of a general failing.  (Think Ross Perot's 1992 running mate, for example.)  But I think that this doesn't hold with Kerry/Edwards, and you've put your finger on a very good reason why.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Hey! (4.00 / 2)
We could've used Admrial Stockdale around these parts to point out the gridlock in the Obama/Clinton threads over these past few months.

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So THAT'S What He Wasn't Doing Here! (0.00 / 0)
I was starting to wonder.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I Love It (4.00 / 2)
I've been hoping for Obama/Edwards since Iowa, because it FEELS right, and your arguments here are making head align with heart.

It is hard to imagine a more exciting ticket the Democrats could offer.  The Republicans would try to use "lack of experience" about this ticket, but they'll use that against Obama regardless of who he chooses as his VP, and I think a Democratic ticket with TWO established and well known Democrats would at least psychologically offset that offensive.  (More than would say, and experienced but less well known Governor as VP).

One person I DON'T want on the ticket is Sebilius, because the woman is interminably boring, and although she looks good on paper, she will bring some of that Mondale/Dukakis/Kerry-style anti-charisma to what promises to be the Democrats best ticket in decades.

John McCain.  Wrong for America.


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What Plays In Kansas Stays In Kansas (4.00 / 1)
Neither Bob Dole nor Dwight Eisenhower were particularly charismatic either.  I just don't think it's something folks in Kansas look for all that much, and I can't fault them for that, really.  But I can say that until Ms. Sebilius wins WWII in Europe, that lack of charisma will remain a serious barrier IMHO.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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It's the big weakness of most Midwestern politicians (0.00 / 0)
Gephardt, Adlai Stevenson, Walter Mondale, Ashcroft, etc.  Even Feingold doesn't really electrify the room with his speaking style so much as the content of what he's fighting for.

We're pretty outwardly mellow people, and while there is a lot of support for Populist type politics, I think there's also a lot of mistrust of smooth-talking, charismatic type politicians as well.  


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Hillary (0.00 / 0)
Sorry I don't have data, but I think the understanding of Hillary is narrow.

It's easy to post her as the relatively establishment candidate, based on her vote for the war and her focus on white working class voters vs. Obama.  But there is a radical streak to her candidacy as well, in supporting a woman for president.

(1)  Look at the number of total votes.  As the Democratic total increases, the relative progressivism of that vote increases.  For change.

(2)  At the risk of seeming banal, there have not been a lot of female presidents of the United States in this country.  Supporting such is not without content.

(3)  That Hillary has hung in there so long, in the face of what are obviously insuperable odds is less a testament to her stubborness than a testament to the passion of her supporters.  Why are they hanging in there despite the overwhelming din of the calls for her to drop out?  Frankly, the middle of the road doesn't evoke much passion.  There's something more there.

That passion has to be brought aboard.  As you have often pointed out, how any Democratic president performs ultimately depends on how effective progressives are in pushing them.  It's not a matter of vote totals.  It's a matter of the enthusiasm of a progressive movement.

Hillary herself has obscured the progressivism of much of her base.  She can't outflank Obama to the left, and she probably figures her women supporters are in the bag, thus she goes for what she considers the "swing" bloc to the center.

We Obama supporters can't make the mistake that Hillary is making, that her women supporters are somehow in our bag.  You've done a great job using standard methodology to support a progressive and even radical agenda, but there is more in the air here that still eludes that methodology.

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We've Also All Heard The Problems With This (4.00 / 3)
Not least of which is the prospect of Bill and Hillary overshadowing Obama, and the need for him to clearly put his mark on the party and the office.

So I think the best one can say is that there are strong arguments on both sides, and no clear preponderance.

With Edwards, I think that there is a clear preponderance.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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This is the quality of analysis... (4.00 / 2)
that made donating to Open Left the easiest financial decision I made this election cycle.

And now for a substantive question:

Why are we inclined to think that whatever realignment we are able to win out of this cycle could have twenty to thirty years of durability? If Bush's approval numbers were reversed, nothing about your analysis would change, but I doubt we would be thinking about political realignment.

Of course, one might argue that our success in pushing a reformist agenda is in part responsible for Bush's low numbers, but I'm not sure how much help he needed in finding the basement he currently occupies.

I guess the gist of my question is this: how do we keep the "outsider" mantle after 8 years of President Obama and two democratic chambers? It's been easy for Democrats to build up an outsider's rep for the last eight years, because we've been outsiders.

Of course, as Marlow says, "that sounds like one of them good problems."


Step 1: Get elected on a 'change' platform (4.00 / 3)
Step 2: Actually change things.  

If Obama gets elected in a wave election, and actually seriously begins to reform American politics, and move things in a progressive, anti-corporate way, then reformers will remember that.  Just as they did in 1936.


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We Don't Have To Stay Outsiders (4.00 / 1)
We "just" have to make it so that most Americans don't feel like outsiders themselves.

This is, of course, exactly what FDR did.  No one's saying it will be easy.  But it obviously can be done, since it's already been done before.

It's my feeling that we will actually have to go much further than ever before--in part because people's expectations have grown. They are much less willing to take things on faith, as the decline in trust of institutions over the past 30+ years clearly demonstrates.  But I do believe that it's eminently doable.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I'll take a stab at it. (4.00 / 1)
"I guess the gist of my question is this: how do we keep the "outsider" mantle after 8 years of President Obama and two democratic chambers? It's been easy for Democrats to build up an outsider's rep for the last eight years, because we've been outsiders."

1. You transition from "outsider" to "competent". As in, people trust Democrats to run the government because they are competent and believe in government that works for all people, not in destroying it or just using it to start wars or enrich multi-national corporations. That is who you become the natural governing party of a country (see Liberals in Canada or whatever the socialist parties in Sweeden and Finland are called).

2. George Bush's poll numbers DO matter. Because he is inextricably tied to the GOP and so impressions of him (and therefore the GOP) are being imprinted as we speak on impressionable youths whose opinions will be long-lasting (generational in fact). Look at the huge gap between young voters preferences for Dems vs. GOP. Obama only reinforces this change.

3. Add another entitlement. Remember how Grover Norquist wanted to get government small enough so he could drown it in a bathtub? Well, he had a good theory. Pricks like him believe that if government doesn't work for people, then people hate government and that means no taxes or regulation for pricks like Norquist. But the opposite holds true as well. Social security is not called the third rail of politics for nothing. Bush's privatization plan was one of the first turnaround points for progressives and democrats. So get Obama in there and get universal health care passed and THEN watch republicans try to say government is the problem and government can't do anything and we should dismantle and privatize everything blah blah blah. And while we're at it, throw in an entitlement for college education (like Edwards was going to do). We'll have a whole new generation of people that have tangible first-hand experience of what government can do for them. And this time, it won't be largely relegated to old people.

4. Redistrict the hell out of Republicans. You know how the pundits say (democratic ones too) how Democrats are in bad shape because the old rust belt and new england states are losing population and so will lose seats after 2010 while the South gains? Well that's true and that would be bad, if the state legislatures and governors in those states were controlled by republicans. A while back I looked at all the states expected to lose or gain seats after 2011. The potential upside for Democrats is much much higher than the potential upside for republicans. If Democrats aggressively redistrict we stand to pick up 30 additional seats (optimistic scenario). If the republicans  aggressively redistrict, the best they can hope for is to pick up about 10 seats. So it's entirely possible we'll be up to 275-280 seats by 2011 (optimistic but not unrealistic). That will provide enough of a cushion to last for a generation. Boehner will be the new Bob Michel.    


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Southern Guy (0.00 / 0)
Just to step back a bit, it occurs to me that you are suggesting going with the southern guy in order to re-enforce a western strategy.  That isn't the point, of course, but where the evidence you site leads.

I don't suppose there is another César Chávez out there, eh?


I Do Plan To Write About That Soon (4.00 / 2)
But not today.

Not about another César Chávez (haven't seen one), but about the Southern/Western thing.  I think it's verrrry interesting.  And worth at least a diary in and of itself.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Another reason Edwards is the best choice for VP (4.00 / 2)
The VP has to be the presidents chief advocate. They have to help sell everything the president does. I think Sebelius would be a better leader but she can't sell stuff. Edwards can, he is a trial lawyer. That's what he does. He proves points.

If Edwards wants it I think he has by far the strongest case for the vice presidency.  

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


This Is An Excellent Point (4.00 / 2)
Vice Presidents haven't always been used this way, but it most certainly is how they ought to be used.  For example, it's taken for granted that during the campaign they are supposed to be the aggressive one, taking the low road while the Presidential candidate takes the high road.

But once in office the natural analogue of this is that the President lays out the vision, and the Vice President sells it aggressively.

This hasn't been the case because, quite frankly, we've had a whole series of VPs who were much less able salesmen than the guy they worked for.

Reagan had Bush as his VP, who only looked like an able salesman once he had Quayle as his VP.  Clinton had Gore, who could sell pocket protectors, I guess, if he had a hot babe with him. And Bush/Cheney?  Good Lord!  The only way Cheney could sell anything was by making an offer that no one could refuse.

But this is quite clearly not the way it should be.  LBJ may not have been a salesman's salesman.  But when it came to selling Senators and Representatives one-on-one, he was pretty darn close to the best who ever lived.  Times are different now, the selling has to be public-targetted in order to get major movement happening, and Edwards is indeed the ideal person to fill that role.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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