YearlyKos and Presidential Politics

by: Mike Lux

Mon Aug 06, 2007 at 16:46


Here are my thoughts on YearlyKos and the presidential festivities.

Most of these thoughts are about Hillary, but I'll start with a more general observation: I thought that being in front of this audience made Edwards, Dodd, and Richardson come alive in a way that I haven't seen yet in the debates/forums. My view is that Richardson, while doing many other things well in the campaign so far, has really sucked in the debates up until Saturday. Dodd and Edwards have been better, Edwards even having some good individual moments of challenge to the two frontrunners, but have been pretty dull overall. All 3 of them, though, seemed to be really relaxed and energetic. They all built off the crowd's energy, and did a good job in pushing their message in a way that got a great response.

Because the YK audience was so passionate, engaged and well-informed, it really gave those candidates a chance to let their hair down and show off their stuff. With the frontrunners, things were decidedly more mixed. Oddly enough, I have almost no memory of what Barack said during the forum. He had pretty much the same demeanor, rhetorical style and language that he has had at every other debate, so he didn't stand out at all to me. I guess he wins points on consistency, but I think he was too careful, and lost a chance to connect and bond with the audience emotionally.

There's been a lot of talk about Hillary since Saturday including Matt's recent post here. I like Hillary better than Matt does, as has been discussed on OpenLeft.com before, but I think Matt's political analysis is right: I think she did hurt herself politically with the lobbyist answer, and Edwards and Obama will, if they are smart, use that against her from here on out.

Here's my view of her at YK, and it's mixed: I thought her education answer was way too long, and I think she seized on a safe question because she was very nervous about the crowd and what kinds of questions she would get. It was a mistake. I think the "ask Al Gore about media consolidation thing" wasn't great either, although she said some good things about needing more competition in the media space, and about net neutrality. But overall, not a good answer. She answered the FISA question in a solid, straightforward way, and she was honest and direct to the 5-part question. Some of what she said I agreed with and some I didn't, but she gets points with me for straight answers. The education answer was the only one where she went on for 10 minutes.

In the debate, I thought she froze on the lobbyist money question, and gave a completely defensive answer, and I wish she had been more honest about it. For her sake, I wish she had pushed back instead of being defensive, something to the effect of: "You know what, I am influenced by the people who give me money, just like every politician is. That's why I'll make public financing a priority. And I take money from lobbyists in D.C.- both from corporate lobbyists and from lobbyists representing unions and other progressive causes. But I would argue that if a business executive raises $250,000 for John or Barack, that business executive will have a lot of influence over them, too, and the fact that they're not a registered lobbyist in D.C. doesn't make their influence any less, so let's cut the crap and work together for public financing." An answer like that would have been pretty cool, but we didn't get it, and her defensiveness didn't help her.

I think politicians should always get some credit for engaging with audiences they know will be tough on them, and I was glad she came. If she hadn't come, most progressive bloggers would have attacked her hard for that, but many folks are attacking her hard anyway, so she still gets points from me for doing the right thing and showing up. The people who don't like Hillary still don't like her, but her outreach and engagement should be applauded.

It was a fun afternoon, and I think we have a lively race on our hands, one that the progressive movement is clearly making a difference on. The dynamic from here will be fascinating.

Mike Lux :: YearlyKos and Presidential Politics

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Obama (0.00 / 0)
I'm not an Obama supporter (I'm still undecided), but I thought he broke out of the mannequin state so prevalent in these debates at the moment when he fervently declared that lobbyists' money most emphatically does influence politicians. He evinced genuine astonishment as he assumed a "WTF are you talking about?" tone in combating an obvious moment of lunacy on Hillary's part.

He faded away... (0.00 / 0)
I think Obama essentially faded into the background.

Like Mike, I remember absolutely nothing that he said at all.  I just remember him essentially trying to cop stuff Edwards has said before or said there, but in a way that was more dull and less threatening - and less passionate.

I love Chris Dodd.  He's an easy #2 for me right now.


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Hillary lacks credibility on public financing (0.00 / 0)
Don't get me wrong--I'd love to see her support this reform. But the Clinton campaign strategy was to use the inevitability meme to raise money and intimidate donors considering giving to other candidates. Then they planned to just drown everyone else in money. Didn't work out like she planned, but if we're going to cut the crap, everyone knows that the Clintons have zero interest in public financing.

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Hypocrisy not a factor (4.00 / 1)
Until there is true campaign finance reform, there is an inherent hypocrisy factor which cancels itself out.  They are all forced to be hypocrites on some level, but that doesn't negate the subtle differences between lobbyists and bundlers, nor the not so subtle difference between advocating transparency in government and maintaining the status quo.  Lobbyists by their very nature are promoting an agenda and looking to use the power of money as an instrument to influence politicians.  A bundler doesn't necessarily have an agenda beyond the more vague one of getting the person they feel best represents their interests elected President.  Neither is ideal, which is why it is essential campaign finance reform is an important plank of any candidate's campaign, but if you can only cut out one while staying on the same competitive playing field,  far better to choose to cut out the Lobbyist.

That's where Obama and Edwards are on this.  Neither will be perfect and it may create an occasional Gotcha moment, but these aren't of any real significance.  They both are going the extra step in starting to create reform on the fly while still competing. The same with emphasizing small donations. Other campaigns have shown it's suicide to rely on just small donations, but there is a huge difference between Clinton's top end $4600 focus and Barack's major accomplishment in creating avenues for small donations.  And I think it is a strong indicator of who we can trust to actually follow through on finance reform once in office. 

The stance on Earmarks is a huge indicator as well.  Barack has been charged by the Caucus to take the lead in this area in the Senate so of course his actual accomplishments are going to outstrip Clinton, but what is inexcusable in my book is for her to refuse to go the extra mile and release her earmark requests - as has Obama and Rahm Emanuel among others.  And I'm sure if Edwards was still in office he'd be right there with them. It's not a matter of leadership, we can't expect everyone to be the leader of every issue.  But it is a serious matter of commitment, of transparency of who you really are when given the chance to put your ideals into action in an area which doesn't have any repercussions in terms of the competitiveness of campaign funding. 


"I wish you were there in 1993" (0.00 / 0)
That's the line that stuck out the most for me.

I am by no means a Clinton supporter -- I find her tone-deafness on cultural issues and blithe to bordering-on-elitist acceptance of the status quo to be decidedly unappealing -- but each time I see her I am forced to concede that she's good at what she does and projects a very strong sense that she'd be up to the job. It ends up being a kind of "competent technocrat" appeal, similar to how Mayor Bloomberg as having won over NYC.

That said, she got pinned on the lobbiest question, and moreso than the specific point, it was the way she didn't seem to get the problem that I think will hurt her. And I won't even get into the shoe x-ray statement. That was terribly condescending.

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Dodd's remarks on public financing (0.00 / 0)
Sen Dodd's campaign has pointed out to me, quite rightly, that Sen. Dodd did give essentially the answer that I had said I wished Hillary had given re the businesses raising money for all the candidates, and the influence they would have on those candidates. And he did give an impassioned call for public financing, which got a great response from the crowd.
As I said, Dodd in this forum was the best I had seen of him so far.

In a strange world... (0.00 / 0)
In an odd world where Giuliani is the GOP nominee, a guy like Chris Dodd might find himself on the ticket for the regional pull. 

Say it's John Edwards as the nominee (I'd sure like to).  Chris Dodd could very well be an important part of the ticket as a VP nominee.  Which would be great.  Sort of like a more competent, less far-right ideologue, less-crazy version of the elder statesman-mentor VP.


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Bad Messaging (0.00 / 0)
You said:

"I wish she had been more honest about it. For her sake, I wish she had pushed back instead of being defensive, something to the effect of: "You know what, I am influenced by the people who give me money, just like every politician is. That's why I'll make public financing a priority. And I take money from lobbyists in D.C.- both from corporate lobbyists and from lobbyists representing unions and other progressive causes."

I think that's a ridiculous way to frame this.  First, it fails to acknowledge the full and complete depth of how policy has flowed from lobbyist influence - bad policy that is making our country and our world worse off.  Energy company lobbyists grease the wheels, we get global climate change.  Big Pharma and Insurance Co's spend like crazy on lobbying and campaign contributions, we don't have universal healthcare.  Your take on it here and what you think someone like Hillary should say is glib.  Exactly what is so infuriating about Hillary's embrace of the slightly-modified status quo.  She's not a political game-changer.  She's not politically willing to be bold enough to affect the changes we need.

Another part I think is wrong about what you say is lumping in unions and progressive groups with corporations on taking money from lobbyists.  This is ridiculous in that it continues to perpetuate the idea that there is a level playing field in politics for both sides of an ideological split.  Businesses give around 5 times as much as unions and other constituency-type groups to campaigns, and spend a fraction on lobbying.  You have just reinforced the right-wing notion that "special interests" affect things.  The only special interests are those on the right - almost by definition the progressive groups are public interest-oriented and at the very least, concerned with the well-being of everyone and just a narrow band.  Come on Mike, you've been around the block - you should know better than to reinforce that kind of messaging.







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