The Popular Vote Argument

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:45


There are innumerable caveats to any popular vote total in the nomination campaign. Some states held primaries, while other held caucuses. Some primaries were open to all registered voters, others to only Democrats and Independents, and still others to only Democrats. The staggered primary calendar is another major issue, which resulted in many states having different candidates on the ballot, and voters with varying knowledge of results. Some states did not even keep popular vote totals. Michigan and Florida are also obviously major caveats. No campaigning took place in those states before the voting began, many voters stayed home because they were told the elections wouldn't count, and Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. Further, a nomination campaign is not about the popular vote, and there wasn't a single campaign that used the popular vote as a metric before the voting caucusing began. So, the popular vote is a contentious metric in the nomination campaign, to say the least.

However, whatever the difficulties of applying the value to the specific "election" that is the 2008 Democratic Party presidential nomination campaign, there is also an obvious value to the principle that the individual with the most support of the electorate should win any given election. Governing power should always derive from the popular will, and we should always work to make our system of government more democratic. The lack of a clear, consistent definition of the popular vote in the Democratic presidential nomination campaign speaks of the serious flaws in the process itself. For all of the reasons listed in the first paragraph, not only is there no universally accepted definition of the popular vote, but as a party we are also a long way from instituting a democratic form of intra-party governance. Major changes need to be made in advance of the 2012 nomination contest, and all future nomination contests, so that our election process better adheres to democratic principles.

As I have argued in the past, within the context of the 2008 Democratic nomination contest, any attempt to determine who won the "popular vote" should adhere to democratic principles itself, as best as can be done. This is because the "popular vote" is not a legal argument, and not specific to any campaign, but instead a moral one based on abstract principles of democracy. As such, popular vote totals should do the following:

  1. Include the will of all those who participated in delegate selection contests for the Democratic National Convention.
  2. Allocate only one vote to each participant in those contests.
  3. In cases where participants did not have their preferences recorded, do everything possible to estimate those preferences.

Failure to do this is to engage in the "popular vote" argument in bad faith, since it turns a moral argument about democratic principles into a selective, partisan argument about power. And yes, one side is more guilty of the other on this front. However, that does not lessen the principles involved--it lessens those who twist those values.

According to the above principles, with South Dakota and Montana left to vote, Hillary Clinton currently holds an extremely narrow 19,899-vote lead over Barack Obama in the popular vote. Here are the current totals:

Clinton: 17,916,763
Obama: 17,896,864

These totals include Iowa, Maine, Nevada and Washington, even though no official popular vote numbers were kept. They also include Florida, even though there was only minimal campaigning in the state before the primary took place and even though many people thought it wouldn't count. These totals also include Michigan, even though Obama's name was not on the ballot. They do, however, also allocate 72.91% of the "uncommitted" vote to Obama, which is the amount of the uncommitted vote exit polls indicate he would have received in the state had his name been on the ballot. In short, these numbers are the final line from the Real Clear Politics popular vote count, minus 64,504 votes in Michigan that came from people who indicated they would have supported either John Edwards or Bill Richardson, had they been on the ballot.

Now, with about 275,000 votes left to go in South Dakota and Montana, and with Obama holding double-digit leads in both states, it would be pretty surprising if Obama did not end up as the winner of the popular vote. Of course, since these are estimates, there is also a small margin of error in this count that might throw the outcome of the "popular vote" into question. Undoubtedly, supporters of both sides will also continue to push different totals, for all of the reasons listed above. However, this count is really the only popular vote total worth making, because it is the one that most closely adheres to the democratic principle of one person, one vote. It is, course, still imperfect.

Unless something surprising happens on Tuesday, Barack Obama will narrowly win the popular vote. Despite all of the imperfections in the system, that should still matter to anyone who holds democratic principles and intra-party democracy as valuable. Just as importantly, it should also make plain the need reform the process in determining our nominee, so that a disaster like this never happens again. While it is unlikely anyone reading his will ever live to see another nomination campaign this close, it isn't only close elections where adhering to democratic principles matter. We need to do everything we can to make sure that the system is as fair as possible to all of the people participating in the process, and about upholding our own values in the process, not just about electing the cult of personality of the month. That is a perspective that I think has been largely forgotten in this nomination campaign on both sides, and needs to be regained as quickly as possible.  

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Popular vote count (0.00 / 0)
Certainly popular vote holds merit. It is intended for the superdelegates. Remember in January when the Obama people said the supers should follow the will of the voters. Well it is time to stick to the word. We have to remember that Obama cannot win the nomination without the supers. So it's all fair game. Forcing the supers to pick Obama is undemocratic and will make this election cycle illegitimate.

As for counting the popular votes, we should just follow what the state decides. If we want to consider things like caucus, open primaries, closed primaries for the popular vote, then why not do the same for the pledge delegates where we take the primaries rather than the caucus results (for those states that held both). If we want to be fair, we have to be truly fair and not be fair to one candidate and unfair to another. This will not bring about unity as dedicated supporters of the that candidate will feel disfranchised and cheated. Remember that millions of people dedicated so much of their time and money investing on their candidates. The investment and time by the people is unprecedented and therefore very unique. Assuming that the party will come together once we get a nominee without resolving the problems is a fairy tale. Never once in our nation's history have we had a primary like this.

In this case, Hillary decided to give up on the caucus states and that's for her to lose. She made a strategic blunder and it's no one's fault but hers. This goes with Obama as well. Obama decided to team up with Edwards and Bill Richardson to pull their names out of Michigan. Out of 8 candidates, 4 pulled their names out. These 3 candidates did distribute fliers and such asking the voters to vote uncommitted. Dennis Kucinich even campaigned in Michigan. So it is their strategic blunder and therefore should not have gotten any popular vote. As painful as this might sound, we have to be fair. The RBC made an unprecedented precedence by allocating delegates to Obama even though he was not on the ballot and they awarded him more than he should have received. The RBC's job is to adjudicate instead of playing politics. They failed in their job and with this hundreds of thousands of Hillary supporters had felt the nomination stolen for her. Rules are rules. If the DNC decided to cherry pick rules, then we had become the entity which he pledge to get rid off and is no difference than the Republican party.

All in all we should count what the state gives us and currently is:
1)Votes with Michigan and Florida as cast: Hillary leads by Clinton 303,785
2)Votes with Michigan and Florida as cast and the caucus states estimates for WA, IA, ME and NV which didn't keep track: Hillary leads by 193,563.

We should respect the states and not blindly judge the voters intend. If we do not, what's the different between us and the Supreme Court Justices such as Scalia and such whose purpose is to rule by the intention of our founding fathers.
The choice of unity now lies with the DNC. Regardless of the outcome, not everyone will be happy with all the heavy investments on the candidates. But the DNC can choose to be legitimate by ruling fairly. Making compromises is not fairness. And it is the states that decide how they want to have their elections and such we should respect their official results.


The state party of Michigan disagrees (4.00 / 5)
They determined that the Soviet straw poll was not a fair election. The Clinton and Obama supporters of the Michigan Democratic Party reached a bipartisan solution to give voice to Obama's Michigan supporters. They did this based on the exit poll, based on the write-in votes and based on the terribly low turnout. All the RBC did was accept their proposal.

Clinton partisans are of course free to continue pretending Obama has no support in Michigan, that uncommitted trouncing Clinton in Detroit was just a coincidence, but they do not have the MDP on their side. The MDP explictly rejected any attempt to give Obama no votes from their state.


[ Parent ]
The Michigan primary was a fake election (4.00 / 2)
This is why the delegate allocation plan proposed and submitted to the RBC by the Michigan democratic party themselves, and which the RBC then accepted, granted delegates to Obama--because in a real election he would have gotten at least some number of delegates there. The same holds true for the popular vote. These are extremely obvious facts. The only reason some Clinton supporters (i.e. StevenT) want to argue otherwise is because it benefits their candidate politically; but if the situation was reversed they would no doubt be screaming on about how Michigan was a fake election, how Clinton was disenfranchised, and perhaps how the DNC and the idea conspired to rig the election to keep her down, etc. Transparent nonsense.
   

[ Parent ]
MI did not count. (4.00 / 3)
MI voters were told by both the DNC and the candidates - including Hillary Clinton - before the election took place that the election would not count.

Many didn't bother to vote or voted on the Republican ticket since the Democratic election was invalid.

Some, faced with choice of Clinton, uncommitted or minor candidates with no chance voted for Clinton as their preferred candidate was not on the ballot.

There were a large number of ballots with Obama as a write-in, something not allowed by MIs ballot rules, and so were discarded uncounted.

Therefore the MI "Primary" certainly cannot be claimed to be a fair reflection of voter intent in the state of Michigan.

Thus, it is unreasonable and unfair to try and claim, after the fact, that it in fact did count and Obama should receive zero delegates, or that it should count towards some putative popular vote count.

The compromise that was reached at the RBC was one submitted by the Michigan Democratic Party, not the Obama Campaign. I believe Obama's people suggested a 50/50 split.

Note that several Clinton supporters on the RBC also voted for the MDP compromise.


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"Stolen nomination"? (3.33 / 6)
They failed in their job and with this hundreds of thousands of Hillary supporters had felt the nomination stolen for her. Rules are rules.  Rules are rules. If the DNC decided to cherry pick rules, then we had become the entity which he pledge to get rid off and is no difference than the Republican party.

Strangely enough, that's exactly how millions of Obama voters would feel if Hillary gets the nomination after Obama won the contest legitimately with the rules in place at the beginning, and by every possible other metric except for a very carefully massage set of statistics.

Hillary supporters are upset and this is perfectly understandable.  I'm sympathetic ... but, sorry, she lost.  You can't win them all, and she didn't win this one.  She tried hard, but she got beaten by someone who ran a smarter campaign.  If you would rather vote for McCain than Obama, then sorry - you're not a Democrat, and you put your own partisan politics over the needs of the country.  And what does that make you?


[ Parent ]
Troll rating? (0.00 / 0)
Care to explain the troll rating, kanzeon?

Do I disagree with the parent comment's statement that Obama will have stolen the election?  Sure, and vehemently.  Do I argue that someone who would vote for McCain over Obama is not a Democrat?  You betcha.  This is a partisan Democratic site, you vote for the damn candidate who wins the nomination.


[ Parent ]
Wrong (4.00 / 1)
The Obama decision to withdraw from MI along with Edwards, Richardson, & Biden is not the same as Hillary's decision to not make a play for the caucuses. Obama's decision was designed as an overture to the IA and NH contests. I'll concede that. But it was knowing full well that the DNC rules had designated that the MI primary DID NOT COUNT.

Hillary's decision to not plan beyond Feb. 5th and to ignore the caucuses was of arrogance and poor strategic planning. Her campaign was convinced that even after SC, she would dominate the Feb. 5th Super Tuesday primaries and emerge with an insurmountable delegate lead. At that point, the media would essentially coronate her, super delegates would flood to her, and by March 5th she would have crossed the threshold.

She was wrong. That's the difference between Obama's strategy and Hillary's. One was based on the DNC rules and the other was based on an arrogant sense of entitlement.


[ Parent ]
the difference (0.00 / 0)
His strategy was designed to make sure that the contested primaries would not be counted by the press in running totals.  Since we all knew that what happened this weekend would happen sooner or later.  So that means that the difference between his strategic calculation and hers is that his worked and hers didn't.

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You're talking about the wrong things (4.00 / 2)
Although nothing anyone says will change your mind, I do feel compelled to point out that your arguments lack respect to all voters.

When you try to make the argument that it's Obama's own fault that he pulled out of Michigan, you are making it about Obama.  It's not; it's about the voters.  Whether he made the right decision to pull out or not, there were hundreds of thousands of people who wanted to vote for him.  So it is disrespectful to those voters' wishes to pretend that that isn't the case.

Although Clinton did not campaign as hard in some of the smaller/caucus states, those people who wished to vote for her could do so.  She may have had an ineffective strategy for securing delegates, but each candidate's supporters had opportunity to express their desires.

If you read Chris's post carefully, you may find that you have missed its point entirely.  If I may be so bold as to paraphrase, I believe he's saying that since the popular vote is NOT a rule-based, legal, or even fair count in this circumstance (given all the discrepancies between states' methodologies), it can ONLY be a moral issue.  If it is, in fact, a moral issue, the fair thing to do is to try to determine the voters' wishes, to the best of our ability.  This is why using estimates is a moral imperative, including estimates in Michigan.

The bottom line in all this, however, is that lots of people chose Clinton, and a roughly equal number chose Obama.  Ultimately, the superdelegates ARE deciding this, and there are many factors on which they could base their decisions.

You may disagree with superdelegates who choose the other candidate over yours, but to argue that your candidate deserves it more is just silly.  In my humble opinion, neither deserves it more based on an incredibly close popular vote count.

To me, Obama deserves it more because he successfully campaigned and won based on the rules of the party.  You might disagree.  Fine.  But the supers will decide.  No one "stole" this election from anyone, despite what some would have you believe.

Republicans can't fix our country; they're too busy saddlebacking.


[ Parent ]
There are many good points here (4.00 / 2)
May I suggest, though it is a little off-point, that the skills that have apparently gotten Obama and his team the nomination are going to be very useful in getting legislation passed.  What we have seen is a combination of the ability to successfully run a large organization; an ability to as someone said "manipulate the caucuses," which suggests an ability to work legislation through Congress; an ability to rally influentials to his side (ditto) and an ability to rally large numbers of people to the cause.  All of this bodes well for November and beyond and is reflected in his lead in delegates and the national polls.

Hillary might have made a good President too.  Let's just make sure our nominee gets to be President now.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


[ Parent ]
I do hold (4.00 / 2)
democratic principles and intra-party democracy as valuable, and that is why I don't accept any computation of a popular vote. There is a point at which no count is better than a flawed count. I don't know what that point is for you. I respect your attempt and recognize you are acting in good faith. You are one of the few who counts a popular vote while recognizing all the inequalities inherent in that. For me, there are just too many. I value votes because I value equality. I value equality over strictly counting votes. My overriding concern is for the millions of votes shut out of this process, votes we know would've been cast if the thirteen caucus states had held primaries. We don't know who exactly would've cast them, nor for whom, but that doesn't make it any less of a suppression, imo. There is also overwhelming evidence that roughly 2/3 of Michigan's electorate stayed home or voted in the Republican primary because they were told, including by both major candidates, that the Democratic contest would not count. An additional 30,000 cast write-in votes that were not counted.

That's not all, but put simply, in my view deriving a popular vote from the primary process is a perpetuation of its inequality and thus diametrically opposed to the purpose and value of counting votes.


The 73% Michigan calculation is flawed (4.00 / 1)
There is a major problem with using the 73% number based on the Michigan exit polls. It does not meet your stated goal: "In cases where participants did not have their preferences recorded, do everything possible to estimate those preferences."

It seems correct intuitively, but it's wrong. Hear me out on this one...

The exit poll results were 46% Clinton, 35% Obama, 12% Edwards, 2% Kucinich, 1% Richardson.

If you give Clinton 55% of the vote and give Obama 73% of the 40% uncommitted, you end up with 55% Clinton, Obama 29% as the final result. That was clearly not the will of Michigan voters who went to the polls (let alone those that stayed home).

The exit polls clearly showed that many people who voted for Clinton would have supported Edwards had he been on the ballot. Thus, they did not have their preferences recorded. You can't use the actual vote for Clinton and the exit poll for Obama. It's a complete misrepresentation of voter preferences.



Of course it's flawed (0.00 / 0)
The Michigan primary was a fake election, and any count will therefore be necessarily flawed. I'm increasingly partial to the view that the popular vote as a measure is hopelessly flawed (over at 538.com poblano has a spreadsheet of 972 different ways of counting the popular vote). BUT, saying that, if you still want to try to divine out the popular vote in Michigan, you can't remove the votes that Clinton actually received. For whatever reason she got those votes, she did in fact get them.  

[ Parent ]
Focus (4.00 / 1)
You're taking this point off track. Of course all the numbers are flawed. I recognize that. So does Chris. I don't want to argue about that here. I want to debunk this 73% myth before it spreads further. You can argue that we shouldn't do any estimates, and I might agree with you, but that's not my point. My point is that this particular estimate -- which Chris has used several times and has been repeated elsewhere -- doesn't do what it purports to do. It's based on a statistical error, arbitrarily taking Edwards's votes out of Obama's universe (the uncommitted voters) but not Clinton's universe (the Clinton voters). It has gained credence because it seems intuitively logical, but the math is bogus.

[ Parent ]
That's exactly the point (4.00 / 1)
Because it's such a hash, the "Popular Vote" argument only has moral weight if one candidate clearly leads in it by every reasonable measure.  There are 972 different permutations, and they're roughly evenly divided and will not be universal no matter what.  Not even the subset of them that can be considered "reasonable".

If we want a clear "Popular Vote" standard to be part of the process, we need to come up with rules for it ahead of time.


[ Parent ]
we don't need more numbers (4.00 / 5)
Reading all the uproar over popular votes, I was glad to see this post and hoped that maybe OpenLeft would provide the big picture--offer some framing on how FL and MI weren't real contests in any real sort of way--or how unusual this campaign was and under 'normal' circumstances a candidate might have dropped out months ago when the writing was on the wall and not stay in the race just to run up the vote and create a wedge issue around lower middle class whites--- or perhaps you could have even reminded people that we are counting delegates and if Obama had wanted to run up the score in popular votes he could have or should have but that metric was irrelevant to EVERYONE except the Clintons and now their angry and disappointed supporters -- or you could have pointed out that estimates from caucus states have to be included in order to make this metric viable (as in 50 states) and that in itself is absurd. The bottom line is we don't have a popular vote in any real sense because that is not was the dem nominating process is about--its about primaries and caucuses--its about delegates stupid.

But instead you offered up more numbers. The last thing we need is more numbers....everyone has a set....every blog has a set...everyone has an argument to explain why the 'other' set of number are wrong. It is absurd.

Even if she wins the so-called popular vote--and if she does: more power to her---there were two states that voted without any campaigning. Count their votes (and their delegates) if you want but to include them in some irrelevant national figure (that btw includes ESTMATES from caucus states) is crazy.

The whole argument is crazy and by offering up more numbers you validate a crazy lady's wedge issues designed to piss on the presumptuous nominee and drive her supporters into a frenzy.

We don't need more popular vote estimates--period.


I think you protesteth too much, read chris's post - N/T (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
It really was as much a rail against all the bloggers (0.00 / 0)
out there who are posting and arguing about what's 'fair' and what's not--not so much against chris who is always the most objective and fair minded among them all, but nevertheless even his post would have been better without the stupid numbers.

On that front, I have an opinion too but wtf, who cares. We could argue until the cows come home--see all the posters here who did just that. The popular vote count is irrelevant and pushes a media frame that is bad for Obama, and bad for dems.


[ Parent ]
Rules say delegates are what counts (4.00 / 3)
The whole purpose of having a convention is to choose delegates as proxies and let them choose the nominee.  Each state was allowed to choose its own method of picking delegates, within certain parameters.  

Obama played with these as the rules and it appears that he will shortly win under those rules.  It bears repeating that if the popular vote was what counted Obama would have run a different race, particularly leading up to Super Tuesday.  This is why late-in-the-game attempts to change the rules fall flat.

Why decide now that the popular vote is the metric?  Why not go by polls? National polls show Obama ahead of Clinton by a substantial margin.  He is ahead of her in California now, which she won by 9 points in February.  Why not use polls?  Because that is the function of the super-delegates  They can reflect late-race developments.

Both campaigns accept that principle; they just differ on which way the supers should go.  Let the last votes happen, let the supers pick, and lets go get the GOP.  No more charts on the nomination except delegate totals.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


[ Parent ]
Here's the lesson all Americans should take from this (0.00 / 0)
(and what we told our Democratic voters in Hillsborough County, Florida):

The one way you know your vote won't count is if you don't cast it.

If Michigan voters had exercised their right to vote, they wouldn't have ended up in quite the mess they're in.

And don't even get me started on the idiocy of the candidates CHOOSING not to campaign in Florida or Michigan, and CHOOSING to remove their names from the ballot in Michigan.  Neither of those CHOICES was a DNC sanction.  It was nothing but a pander to the early states (which sent the message that Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina were more important than Florida or Michigan) and they ended up screwing themselves and us.

Most of my anger is reserved for our state legislators who didn't put up a good faith effort to oppose the date change, but I have plenty left for the candidates who signed the pledge.

That being said, I spend 12 to 16 hours a day working for the Democratic Party to get our candidates elected from the bottom of the ticket to the top.  I just had to get that off my chest.  


What about the 30,000 write-in votes for Obama in Michigan? (0.00 / 0)
Michigan shouldn't count anyway, but if you're counting votes, you might as well count those write-ins.


They are reflected in the Michigan delegate total... (0.00 / 0)
...that Chris used to estimate the number of votes for Obama. The Brewer/Levin delegate plan submitted to the RBC was based in part on those write-in ballots.

John McCain

[ Parent ]
Are you sure ? (0.00 / 0)
Seems to me he is only counting 72% of the uncommitteds

[ Parent ]
My understanding... (0.00 / 0)
Is they used three criteria in the MI plan
1) the votes cast using the ballot with no Edwards + Obama
2) the write in votes (something not allowed under the stated rules of the MI ballot)
3) exit polling of the MI 'event' (the DNC won't call it a primary)

Using all of the above the MI Democratic party came up with a delegate split and then accepted a 50% reduction of MI delegate strength by the RBC. Don't take this as gospel but it's pretty close.

John McCain


[ Parent ]
I think (4.00 / 1)
It is fair to take out part of the uncommitteds off Obama but I don't think it is fair not to count the 30 000 write-ins he got in Michigan. And I don't see them counted anywhere

Dumb (0.00 / 0)
It's a specious argument to begin with. The implication behind HRC's flogging of the "popular vote" is that somehow all those votes will disappear in GE if she's not the nominee.

I'd argue quite the opposite. Obama's team has registered a record amount of Dems this cycle, and those newly registered voters have been overwhelmingly pro-Obama; Hillary's support has been from the more traditional (read: stagnant) base.

Something else that needs to be taken into account is the effect on down-ticket races if HRC somehow manages to steal the nomination. Obama has shown a much greater coattail effect than HRC has so far, and I'd expect that to continue when he becomes the official nominee.


obtuse (4.00 / 1)
The implication is that what's most important is how many people voted for whom.  And that having more votes ought to be more important than the ability to manipulate caucus rules.  It's an argument about what constitutes democratic legitimacy.

I say: let's really hope Obama does indeed pull clear in the last two contests, because I would be unhappy if our party were to nominate the candidate who got fewer total votes.


[ Parent ]
Of course, (0.00 / 0)
... this ignores the fact that it is impossible to know for certain which candidate got the most votes.

We all need to get over it.

Republicans can't fix our country; they're too busy saddlebacking.


[ Parent ]
Why do you hate democracy? (0.00 / 0)
And why do you think it is smart to be dissing Hillary supporters like me, when you may need us to win against McCain? Chris has written a basic, smart piece about the flaws in the process, and all you Obama supporters are still calling Hillary supporters names and "stagnant"

Where are you getting your pro-Obama registered numbers from? What about all of the women who may be registered but are voting for the first time in decades. We are supposed to be about enabling voters, and all I feel is like you Obama supporters are not much different than the republican slime that I have come to hate, and I am getting that from fellow Democrats. Ya want to destroy the party, keep it up, and you will drive many people away from Democratic party, many who have been the base of the party for a long time.

Don't you see what you are doing. Did not any of you notice that Republican Governor in Florida played us in moving their date up. And Donna Brazile and her RBC games with rules-WTF?  There is a lot going on here, and look at Chris's numbers, agree or not, this is down to the wire. Chris writes a post that shows respect to the Hillary camp, and in a classy way. (Thanks Chris!)

Maybe some of you Obama people can learn from that. And maybe Chris, Matt, and Mike can learn that some of what you did with the endorsement issue was maybe premature, or un-necessary, as a whole bunch of possible progressive democrats were pissed on in this process, and some of the support you had has been diluted by cheerleading when our real enemy was the press, and the rethug slime machine.

Camp Obama has set out to destroy Hillary from Day One, and now might just need her supporters to win in November, so don't act all high and mighty while trying to take over the party. Did you notice Obama does not want the left blogging community involved in the general, and wants total control over all funding?? WTF is that about?

Sorry for the rant from an old Democrat.


[ Parent ]
Again with the Victimization (0.00 / 0)
The popular vote - as noted by Chris in this article - is a mirage, because of two issues:

- caucus states - how do you count them?
- MI and FL - same.

So the claim of "winning the popular vote" is, at best, a game of smoke and mirrors that either campaign could potentially use to their advantage. Thus, it becomes an unreliable metric, and one which Clinton didn't give two shits about before Super Tuesday.

Obama is leading in the only metric which matters, according to the rules of the game - delegates. All this talk about the popular vote has but one goal - to give the nomination to Clinton by means which are outside the rules. Parse it any way you wish, but those are the facts.  


[ Parent ]
If you're going to use exit polls for MI you have (4.00 / 1)
to use them across the board. Otherwise you're not accurately reflecting the will of the voters as far as we can estimate.  

Regarding the Michigan tally (0.00 / 0)
So you are only giving Obama 72% of the Uncommitted vote based on the exit polls, yet you give Clinton 100% of her votes even though the exit polls said she would have received 46% of the vote (as opposed to 55%) if the other names were on the ballot.

I don't think Michigan should count at all, since it clearly wasn't a fair election. But if you are going to count it, be consistent. Either give Obama all of the Uncommitted votes, or adjust both Clinton and Obama's vote totals based on the exit poll.







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