Obama and the Crucial Difference Between Campaign and Community Organizing (Core Dilemmas of Commun

by: educationaction

Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:29


(Another thoght-provoking diary in this series. - promoted by Paul Rosenberg)

[See updates below]

The media and the net has focused on Obama's background as a community organizer, and his community organizer approach to campaigning.  His is supposed to be a "bottom up" instead of a "top down" approach.  One newspaper argued that "regardless of the outcome . . . the Obama campaign will leave behind a new generation of trained community activists."  In fact Marshall Ganz, the designer of Obama's organizing approach states that "We're training a whole bunch of new leaders."

In this post, I argue that what Obama is doing has little to do with the core tradition of community organizing that I have been talking about in this series, and that he was trained in himself.  His approach is unlikely to "leave . . . a cadre of activists behind" that can generate power outside of the context of Obama's machine.

Traditional organizing seeks to create local groups whose direction is determined by local leaders.  Leaders elicit stories about the desires of many potential members, creating a broad network of relationships based in common goals.  Obama's approach is essentially the opposite.  Leaders go out in the community to tell people their stories in an effort to bring them over to Obama.  

Let me stress that my point, here, is not to critique the Obama campaign.  In fact, I'm generally an Obama supporter, although not a particularly strong one [written prior to his winning the primary].  Efforts to mobilize voters are probably necessarily quite different from efforts to create strong local organizations.  But in part because few people in the media seem to really understand the distinction between these, many stories blur this distinction in problematic ways.  And the distinction is critical, because the campaign model, in its very structure, is directly opposed to the goals of community organizing in crucial ways.  (To some extent this post is related to Paul Rosenberg's earlier posts on Obama as a classic progressive.)

Those new to these posts may want to read Part I and Part II of "What is Organizing?"  See the full series here.

More detail after the flip.

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Obama and Organizing

Much has been made in the media about Obama's background in community organizing and the ways it has influenced his campaigns.  To its credit, the Obama campaign has generally acknowledged that it is not engaged in community organizing in any pure form.  As his national campaign field director wrote:

This campaign is about a new campaign focused on exploiting the "enthusiasm gap" we enjoy over other candidates by marrying traditional field organizing training with the community organizing tactics Obama learned as a young man on the south side of Chicago.

However, while the media generally acknowledges this language of an admixture of campaign and community organizing, it doesn't make the distinction between them clear.  There is a tendency, therefore, to treat what Obama is doing as if it were actual community organizing, as if it were an effort to generate a bottom up, volunteer-led effort in a broad sense.  

Bottom Up Leadership?

In a narrow sense, Obama's effort does seem to give a range of flexibility to local volunteer leaders.  They seem to be given wide leeway in how they will organize themselves, and how they will approach their task of reaching voters.    As one organizer in Texas said , "Our job is not to run in here to tell you how it's going to be . . . .  This is your campaign.  Not our campaign."

In other ways, however, the campaign looks much like any other campaign.  Volunteers are given mostly pre-programmed scripts to use during canvassing, and are given pretty clear instructions about how to engage the voters they meet.

Furthermore, and perhaps most importantly, they are given Obama's policy positions to disseminate as part of their effort.  In other words, as one would expect, volunteers have the power to decide how to campaign, but not what they will be campaigning for.  They are campaigning for a person who can make his own independent decisions, not for an established issue.  In fact, there have been moments in the campaign when volunteers let their own unique perspectives show too much (the Che Guevara poster) and needed to be tamped down.  

Of course, some level of common "voice" is necessary in any collective effort.  But within the campaign context, pressure to conform to a candidate's given vision, or, paradoxically, lack of specific vision in many cases, seems much more intense.  This is obvious, but I'll come back to it later.

Obama's Key Organizing Technique: Telling Personal Conversion Stories

To design his campaign organizing strategy, Obama seems to have turned to long-time organizer and Harvard lecturer Marshall Ganz, who participated in the civil rights movement and was a key organizer with Ceasar Chavez, among other efforts.  

In trainings for key leaders, Zack Exley reports, Ganz exhorts participants to "inspire" voters.  

It literally means to breathe life into each other . . . .  And we can do that by telling our stories to each other.  That's what Barack did for us when he told his story.  And that's what we can do for others when we tell them our stories.

A key goal of the training, Exley noted, was to "learn how to tell our own stories," or, as Ganz said, to "put into words why you're called and why we've been called, to change the way the world works."  

Participants worked on telling their story about how they came to support Obama in the correct way, using "materials and worksheets" that gave "structure and flow to the story telling process."  The aim was to be able to "tell their 'story of self' in less than two minutes."  Or 30 seconds if a person is phone canvassing.  Or a "couple key ideas" if someone is canvassing.  

Throughout their training materials, this idea of telling one's personal reasons for supporting Obama remains central.  There is also reference to policy, and to Obama's policy statements, but these take a back seat to the storytelling.  

Field Organizer Kim Mack told a group of volunteers in California, for example that "potential voters would no doubt confront them with policy questions. Mack's direction: "Don't go there. Refer them to Obama's Web site, which includes enough material to sate any wonk."

In a reply to an earlier post on Open Left, lorij reported an experience with Obama canvassers:

Two Camp Obama trained volunteers, the foot soldiers of this   "movement" were at my front door yesterday.  They "loved" Obama and wanted to make sure that I would vote for the man who is transforming politics from all the bitter fighting of the past.  They urged me to read his book but couldn't give me one reason why they thought his positions would be preferable to anyone else's.  In fact, the best they could do is point me to his website if I was really that interested in issues.
 

Given what I have read about the training volunteers in Obama's campaign get, it seems likely that this approach is reflective of his volunteers more broadly.  

An "Evangelical" Approach

This use of personal stories to try to help others come over to our point of view is a classic tool, as well, of efforts to convert people to a new religion.  In evangelical circles, one develops the same kind of "conversion" story, and there are numerous websites giving detailed instructions for how it is supposed to be structured.  Interestingly, the recommendation is generally to keep these to a couple of minutes, just as Ganz recommends.

Let me emphasize that I'm not accusing the Obama campaign of being some kind of "cult" as others have  That accusation seems ridiculous to me.  Instead, the Obama campaign is trying to do what all campaigns do, one way or another: to get people to believe in a particular person.

Ganz makes this resemblance to religion explicit.  "Where does hope come from?" Ganz asked at a training.  His answer?  "Faith . . . .  That's why faith movements and social movements have so much to do with each other."  

The goal is to get beyond mere intellectual agreement with a candidate and activate a deeper emotional connection.  Ganz noted that:

There is a kind of suspicion of emotion that goes pretty deep-that emotion is dangerous and uncontrollable. . . .  [But] what moves us to action is not neck up; it's the heart.  That's sort of where we can get the courage to take risks.

The Harvard Citizen reports that "this is all rooted in Ganz's academic work on motivation, narrative and action, which draws on psychology, literature and case studies of successful activist movements.  The more particular the story, the more listeners are likely to be drawn in, identify with their own experience and want to get drawn in."

Jonathan Tilove reports that Ganz believes that "Hope . . . is not empty optimism, but the prerequisite for creative social action."  However, as I note below, there is reason to be concerned about an approach that separates policy from faith, and that focuses on an individual instead a specific social change that one is fighting for.

In fact, in the "Motivation, Story, and Celebration" (PDF) unit of his online organizing course, Ganz argues that there are two relatively discrete ways of knowing-relatively unemotional analysis and more affective storytelling.  Analysis in a collective is concluded through deliberation.  The affective side of knowing is conducted collectively through storytelling.  In this course, Ganz explicitly relates his vision of storytelling to religious "testimony."  Of course, these two always overlap in reality-but one or the other is emphasized more at any particular moment.  (This relates to some of what Glenn W. Smith has been mulling over elsewhere on this blog.)  

In Obama's campaign, as far as I can tell, storytelling is placed far above critical deliberation.  And this makes sense in the context of a campaign.  Deliberation is useful only in the realm of strategy-how to get Obama elected.  There is little place for deliberation about what Obama should think or say.  

In fact, you don't really want to focus too much on the specifics of policy, because people can easily disagree on the specifics.  It's on commitment, "faith" in the person as a relatively non-specific symbol of our collective desires on which we can "agree."  A "we" is easier to achieve as long as "we" don't worry too much about what "we" want in any detail.

Perhaps there will be deliberation about this after the campaign.  But these volunteers will not have been educated in how to do this, or encouraged to develop the habits of engaging in deliberation as a constant part of their efforts to engage in the public sphere.

(With respect to Paul Rosenberg's thoughtful posts about the relationship between Obama and early 20th century forms of progressivism, this aspect of his approach seems to put Obama much more firmly on the populist and not the pragmatic, intellectual progressive side.)

Community Organizing: It's Not About Telling, It's About Listening

One of the core techniques of organizing is the "one-on-one" interview.  Leaders sit down with members of the community-often their own church or community organization-and have about a 45 minute dialogue with them about their lives.  The aim is threefold.  

First, one-on-ones seek to uncover what people's "passions" are, what issues seem to engage them the most.  By knowing someone's passions, you know what kinds of issues you are most likely to get them involved in for the long haul.  

The second goal is to create a relationship.  After having a dialogue like this with someone, you really feel like you have connection with them.  This is someone who may not see you as a friend, but at least sees you as an honest acquaintance.  This is someone you can call up a couple of months later and ask to get involved in an issue, and they wouldn't think it was strange.  

The third goal is to try to hook them into some public action.  One way I have heard it put is that a one-on-one is meant to help people make their private pain public.  Something that bothers you or really engages you inside, because of something in your history, can become a driving force for more collective change.  

I will return to a discussion of one-on-ones later in this series.  A couple of key points seem relevant, here.  

First, they are not attempts to recruit anyone and everyone.  You are trying to find out not only what a person's passions are, but if they seem to have the kind of energy to make it worth recruiting them.  If they don't, you may try to get them to a big rally, but you will probably look elsewhere for a core leader.  

Second, you are not trying to manipulate people.  You offer them an opportunity to participate in some campaign based on what you have learned they care about.  If they do, great, if they don't, well, you don't have time to spend trying desperately to convince them.  These are ideals, of course, but in my experience, they are pretty accurate.

Of course, people who participate also learn a common language for engaging in collective action.  So there is some "conversion" happening, here.  But it is conversion into a way of acting together, not to commitment to a particular person.  

Note the difference from the Obama approach.  In the community organizing model, leaders go out to listen, in detail, to what other people have to say in an informal, mostly unstructured setting.  In the Obama approach, people go out and tell people carefully scripted stories about why they have become Obama supporters.  Even when Obama leaders listen to each other's stories, these stories are relatively circumscribed as to their topic, and are quite brief.  They are unlikely, by themselves, to generate the kinds of relational connections that the one-on-one process is designed to create.  

The Obama approach is designed to tell people how to think-here is a story of how to convert-even if they may construct the details of their own story differently, and what to think-Obama is really cool.  

The Obama approach is about telling while the organizing approach is about listening.

[NOTE, however, the UPDATE added below, where I discuss how the Obama campaign actually does seem to be using one-on-one's to recruit leaders and core volunteers]

Self-Reinforcing Scripts

Telling a script about a candidate that someone else has given you will probably eventually become just empty words.  It may reinforce your commitment to the candidate to a limited extent, but probably won't be that powerful.  

On the other hand, it seems likely, to me at least, that retelling and retelling your own conversion story will have a much more intensive effect.  You are constantly telling a story about yourself, about who you are and how you think and what you care about.  Telling this story, with emotion (manufactured at times or not) would seem to be a powerful tool for magnifying commitment among canvassers.  As Ganz notes in his organizing course, "the significance of the experience [of moving from despair to hope is] itself strengthened by the telling of it."

In the beginning it was a narrative you made up, a narrative that could have been different had you constructed it at a different time, even at a different moment, choosing 3 minutes of speech, or so, from the vast complexity of your own life.  But as you tell it again and again and again to others, it seems likely that it will increasingly become a more core reality of your self.  We know that long-term memory is usually fairly plastic, consisting more of general outlines of what has happened than of detailed specifics.  It seems likely that retelling one's story is likely to reduce the plasticity of one's story of one's self, and therefore to reduce the chance one will change one's mind.  

Further, telling stories to others is a form of public commitment-making.  It is probably harder to change one's mind about something when one has emphatically stressed one's commitment to others in such a public and emotional fashion than if one has simply made a private decision, or even if one has more casually mentioned one's decision to a few others.  The key, here, is not that you have just made a pragmatic decision to support a candidate, but that you have declared your "faith" in them and related this to "who" you are by drawing on critical moments of your own personal history.

The Centrality of Deliberation in Community Organizing

The deliberation in community organizing groups may not always look like the ideal middle-class model of reasoned discourse, often including much more affective reference to personal stories.  In contrast with Obama's campaign organizing approach, however, deliberation is nonetheless critical to organizing.  In community organizing, then, the two aspects of Ganz's ways of knowing-"critical deliberation on experience" and "storytelling of experience"-come together.

Usually a relatively small subset of the organization's members is engaged in deliberation over the long-term.  In the ideal, they come together informed by their one-on-one interviews with their constituents, armed with information about what the mass of members cares about.  In drawing on this data, these key leaders argue about what would be the right issue to engage in, looking to a wide range of considerations.  This is deliberation in which a range of relatively equal leaders contend about how their community should be improved.

The key issue in organizing is usually not about "who" to support, but about "what" needs to happen to produce social change.  Even when it is about "who," a key consideration is about how electing a particular person can empower the group to accomplish its ends.  There is no "faith" in individuals.  On the contrary, there is "faith" that politicians, especially, cannot be depended upon in the absence of the capacity to subject them to collective pressure.  

Thus, the telling of one's conversion story is likely not only to be an effective tool for converting others.  It is also likely to help maintain and deepen the commitment of one's core leaders, building up their defenses against the predictable attacks, gaffes, and other vicissitudes of any campaign and of the post-election world.  

"No Permanent Enemies, No Permanent Friends"

Again, community organizers simply don't focus on commitment to individuals.  They have had too many experiences with apparently wonderful people that get elected and then start acting like politicians always have to act.  Community organizers, unlike campaign organizers, often stress that they have "no permanent enemies, and no permanent friends."  Yes, again it is true that they may try to get someone elected, to the extent they can.  But this doesn't guarantee their support in the future.  They elect someone not because they think this person will necessarily do what they want, but because they think this person can at least be influenced to move in a direction that the organization wants.

THAT IS THE BEST YOU WILL EVER BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE FROM A POLITICIAN.  

Once a person gets elected, they become a "target" just like everyone else in the power structure.  

It is this second step that campaign supporters, like Obama's, are not prepared in their campaign training to take.  They are equipped to support Obama, but they are not equipped to pressure him, or others, on specific issues in any coherent and structured collective manner.    

Community organizing groups, then, tend to focus on specific issues, particular social changes that they would like to see happen, even as they remain pragmatically flexible about the specific forms these changes eventually will take.  Then they engage with (and if necessary fight) whoever they can best get to who can make the change they want.  

The Limits of Commitment to a Person Instead of a Program

The campaign organizing model Obama is using is designed to get him elected.

The problem with supporting a person as your end goal is that you must essentially trust (have "faith") that that individual's decisions will match your own beliefs and desires.  Because you are electing a politician, someone who has actually made it quite clear that he is aiming to find reasonable compromises between a range of different groups, your commitment cannot be to his policy statements.  These are really just "placeholders" for the kinds of decisions he would like to make.  

Once he gets into office, he will be buffeted by a myriad of different pressures and influences.  That's the definition of being a politician.  If you don't compromise and bend, you won't get anything done, and you won't get elected next time.  This is not necessarily a bad thing.  Someone who won't think much or change their mind, an ideologue, or just a close-minded narcissist like GW, isn't really someone you want as president anyway.  

Committing to a person, then, involves commitment to their character, to their ways of making decisions.  It involves trusting that the person will end up doing "the right thing."

In community organizing, in contrast, "power" resides in the organization.  For example, the name of the organization I work with, CHANGE, carries the reputation of the history of the group.  It is not any individual that powerful people respect, but instead the power of the at least somewhat democratic collective.  Every individual member, therefore, is expendable.  And the benefits or failings of any individual will not be enough either to make the organization powerful, or doom it to insignificance.

The Definition of "Nonpartisan"

From the perspective of community organizing, Obama is not really "nonpartisan."  He is a democrat, enmeshed in all of the pragmatic possibilities and limitations that position entails.  This natural partisanship, however, is threatened by the possibility that he may be TOO open to multiple perspectives.  This brings into question his commitment to particular social values and policy directions usually linked to the partisanship of a party.  It might, in fact, as others on this blog have noted, be better for Obama to be MORE partisan.  

Community organizing groups are truly nonpartisan.  They are not linked to a specific party, or to the tensions and realities that this positioning entails.  They fight, in general, for issues.  At best, their focus is on a commitment to a set of shared values, and, in contrast to Obama, those who do not share these values are NOT INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN INTERNAL DELIBERATION.  When leaders of these groups talk with people who don't agree with them, they are very clear that they have emerged out of the relatively safe space of their organizations into a public realm where concessions and negotiation are based as much if not more on power than on reason or even emotion.  It is almost always the case, in fact, that the organization's capacity to make its power felt is what gave it a place at this public table in the first place.  

In other words, being "nonpartisan" in terms of one's political allegiance in the context of community organizing, means that one actually is quite "partisan" in terms of one's commitment to a set of values.  This different kind of commitment involves a shrinking of who can be part of an organization's "we."  Some people are not now, and may never, be part of this "we."  (It can make sense to bring in very conservative democrats to a party, but it doesn't make so much sense to bring these people into your deliberations within an organizing group.)  

This necessary defining of "us" and "them" is easier to avoid if one focuses on a person as a "symbol" of one's collective hopes.  Our "we" is less constrained by pesky commitments to particular substantive commitments.

Action Training and Leadership

It is true that both community organizers and Obama's campaign volunteers learn to act, and to act strategically to achieve their goals.  However, all of the campaign action is oriented around voting.  There is no training about how to influence people once they are elected.  Thus the campaign volunteers acquire no direct skills for actively influencing their candidate after the election except through whatever mechanisms Obama may create for them once he is president.  

Because they have been given no effective skills for independent action, Obama will clearly maintain a tight control over the volunteer community he has created.  People who become disappointed may leave.  But they have not acquired any capacity for acting independently as a collective, at least not in any effective and coherent manner, after they leave.  

In fact, the only non-Obama activity I have heard Obama volunteers getting involved in was a service activity, not an effort to organize against power.  Mike Newall, for example, reported on "a neighborhood sweep-up event organized by Obama Works, a grassroots public service organization inspired by Obama's community activism background."  As I have noted earlier in this series, this service approach is actually diametrically opposed to the organizing approach, siphoning off energy that might actually generate social change.  So there is an extent to which Obama (or his leaders) may, in some cases at least, be mis-educating volunteers about the nature of effective social action in America (maybe because they don't understand what organizing is).

It's Not Community Organizing

To summarize, Obama's organization is not training community organizers.  It is training what seem to be quite effective campaign workers.

And I'm not critiquing his campaign effort particularly.  Is there anything wrong with this clearly effective campaign strategy?  I'm not sure.  Certainly one could raise concerns about the focus on the affective rather than on analysis and policy.  But the fact is that most campaigns probably win with this kind of focus.  In any case, I'm not an expert on campaigning.  Others may have more to say.  

The truth is, it seems pretty unlikely that one could simultaneously train people to be effective community organizers and effective campaigners on the Obama model.  As should be clear from the discussion above, these seem like quite different activities.  

On the other hand, it might be possible to create an effective campaign strategy that integrated more community organizing skills, a strategy that was less "top-down" in its policy and value thinking.  

In any case, you could be much clearer with volunteers about what you are and are not training them to do.  And you could tell them something about what you aren't teaching them, so that they know what they need to learn.  And you might even give them a taste of what these other skills and perspectives look and feel like.  

And it seems problematic to represent the Obama campaign as truly "bottom-up," because it seems to be bottom-up only in terms of campaign strategy, not in terms of policy dialogue or engagement.  To this extent, the Obama campaign is much less different from standard campaigns than the rhetoric may imply.

UPDATE

A student who attended Camp Obama sent me the following email and gave me permission to put it up:

A lot of what you say in your piece on OpenLeft is a fair analysis of the way the campaign has played out in practice, but it is also somewhat unfair in its depiction of Ganz's model and the goals of Camp Obama.  Telling the "Story of Self" conversion experience is only the first of a three-step process.  The second is to find an authentic "Story of Us" based on shared goals and experiences (not to tell your audience what those shared goals are), and the third is to tell a "Story of Now" to motivate action to achieve those goals.  The one-on-one interviews central to community organizing that you discuss in your piece are a prominent part of the Camp Obama training.

So, I would say that the reality of the fact that we're working on a campaign has prevented us in the short run from engaging in community organizing at the same time, and you do a good job of talking about that.  But those of us who are volunteers in the campaign and understand the distinction really have been given the tools to, at a later date, start engaging in more authentic community organizing around issues rather than a person.

See this Word Document for a description of what Ganz means by a "Story of Us" and a "Story of Now."  It's not clear to me that this is that different than the testimony I was talking about, above--in fact in the videos from Camp Obama. Also see the audio and video about camp Obama on this web-page where Ganz directly relates the "Story of Us" to religious communities.  

See episode 7 of the Camp Obama web-page where Ganz does a nice job of teaching a particular version of one-on-ones.    

The one-on-ones seem to have been focused on internal team-building, so they are apparently serving some function at least to core Obama volunteers.  Do Obama volunteers do this as an ongoing practice?  Ganz is clear in his explanation that the one-on-ones are focused on "why I/you like Obama and what "resources" "you" can bring to the campaign, and an avoidance of any discussion of policy.  But they could potentially generate the kinds of connections necessary for building more long-term power.

The fact that they at least learned how to do "one-on-ones" does give some indication that the Obama "organizing" trainings may move more towards actual skills for social action and the creation of durable collective power in the future.  I didn't write about the Obama Fellows program because I could find no information about it, but this gives me hope that the fellows will get more of an organizing background.  They will still be doing campaigning, probably still under the "telling your conversion story" model.  But if their efforts focus on recruiting leaders and core volunteers, they may actually be acting more like traditional "organizers."  Of course, what happens after the campaign will probably be most telling.  

It's important to remember that they are still recruiting someone not to work on an issue, but to support a person.  How can a transition happen?

I'm also happy to hear that a respected organizer like Ganz didn't just do the "testimony" approach.  

UPDATE II

Apparently the "organizing fellows" are getting essentially the same thing that the Camp Obama folks got.  From the barackobama.com website:

The Obama Organizing Fellows will engaged in a three day intensive training -- which will be familiar for any of you that attended Camp Obama.

Three days is an extremely short time to learn about organizing, and learning much about organizing is made even more unlikely by the fact that most of the time is apparently taken up by learning about campaigning.  The brief approach wasn't suprising for initial volunteers, but I had hoped that the volunteers would get something more substantial.  It's a disappointment.  

Note: given limited time, I have scoured the Internet as best I could.  I have not read everything I found, but tried to read everything that seemed relevant.  I welcome comments and corrections.


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This Is Arguably The BEST Explanation I've Seen (4.00 / 3)
Of why the Obama "movement" is not a movement.

Movements require community organizing on a scale transcending individual physical communities.  They are, of course, buoyed by spontaneous support. But without the organizing, they are eruptions, not movements.

And it's precisely this obscuring of what movements actually are that bugs me so much about claims to the contrary.  The Obama campaign is a remarkable campaign, and should be acknowledged as such. But a remarkable eagle is still an eagle, not a Phoenix. So thank you for giving us such a clear explanation to point to.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


It also explains to me (4.00 / 1)
something I have wondered about since spring 2007: whether the more emotional supporters of Obama were a deliberate creation of Obama and his campaign. Clearly yes, based on Ganz' intellectual work.    

Issues don't matter.  The agenda is Obama only.  Nice for a campaign, but it does not necessarily lead to fundamental change. But, of course, that never was the purpose.  


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It may be too stark to say that issues don't matter at all (4.00 / 3)
instead, the campaign strategy has been to focus volunteers on personal stories instead of issues.  Certainly the issues come out in other arenas, although I think it is right to say that Obama has remained relatively vague on purpose in some arenas.  The fact is that I haven't really analyzed his policy positions in any detail, for reasons that should be clear from this post.  Policy statements are good indicators of a candidate's general direction, but he isn't going to actually "do" most of what he says he will in his policy statements, even if he wanted to, given the realities of Washington.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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RE: Issues don't matter (4.00 / 2)
Have you ever tried to train campaign volunteers? I'm convinced that training on issues very nearly can't be done AND get people out the door and to work on a campaign. In fact, requests from volunteers for more training on issues usually amount to ways to avoid the frightening task of interacting with unknown voters.

Obama is mobilizing wonderfully -- of course it is not a movement. Movements need political content. Obama offers campaign content, not political content.

Yes, I'm an Obama supporter -- and plan to be an Obama pusher for various policy objectives, after we elect the guy.

Can it happen here?


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Do you think that (0.00 / 0)
once necessary component of a 'remarkable campaign' is the ability to masquerade as (or even, in some ways, simulate) a movement?

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In Obama's case this seems to be right (4.00 / 4)
But did the Clinton campaign really try to push a "movement"?  I haven't thought about this enough, but my gut sense is that the answer is "no."  Clinton's campaign was about Clinton, her abilities, etc.  And let's not forget that she didn't lose by very much.  

The problematic thing about making it seem like you are generating a "movement" is that when the movement dissolves, people are much more discouraged than if an individual politician doesn't do what they want.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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Thank you so much for that (4.00 / 2)
I cannot tell you how gratifying it is to hear what I have known as an organizer myself come from someone else's lips, someone who professes not to have actually studied the actual issues in depth, but who evidently has thought and written a lot about the mechanics of organizing.


The problematic thing about making it seem like you are generating a "movement" is that when the movement dissolves, people are much more discouraged than if an individual politician doesn't do what they want.

When you hit Barack Obama dot com the button doesn't say "join the campaign".  It says "join the movement".  Many thousands of people will indeed be discouraged and disgruntled, the well of good will for collective and voluntary effort on their part polluted, when it becomes apparent that the "Obama movement" is just another political campaign to empower just another politician to do (and not do) pretty  much what the rest of them have done and not done.

For organizers who depend on that reservoir of good will and optimism among ordinary citizens to mount authentic community organizing efforts, the Obama campaign is a disaster.  By extension, if we are talking about actually empowering black communities --- not the black elite --- it is a disaster too.

"If you want that good feeling that comes from doing things for other people, then you have to pay for it in abuse and misunderstanding..."
Zora Neale Hurston


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This issue of confusing organizing with campaigning (4.00 / 1)
and thereby "poisoning the well" is something I have also worried about.  I am not quite as cynical as you state you are.  I'll respond about that to your comment, below.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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I'm Not Cynical (0.00 / 0)
As Elvis Costello once wrote:
    I used to be disgusted
    Now I try to be amused


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Paul (0.00 / 0)
I was replying to dixon, not to you.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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Don't worry so much about "movement" crash... (4.00 / 1)
Marshall Ganz' mentor, Fred Ross Sr., apparently said "No organizing is lost." After watching a few rounds of this, I think that is true. Even though Obama is just mobilizing, not organizing.

We have come through a time of such low civic engagement that the millions acquiring experience in Obama's pseudo-movement may very well end up going off in all sorts of directions currently unanticipated. And not necessarly directions that their candidate intended. I'm not ready to give up on that effect yet. And those of us who have been around a few blocks need to be glad for fresh excitement, even if it looks to us uninformed or naive. They'll find out soon enough.

Can it happen here?


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Good Point! (0.00 / 0)
Three cheers for the old "There must be a pony in here somewhere" attitude!

It pays off once again.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I hope you are right (0.00 / 0)
but I am not convinced much will come out of this without some other groups/organization/agencies to pick up where Obama leaves off.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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Organizing is Different From Movement Building (0.00 / 0)
Actually, community organizers have frequently tried to distinguish what they do fairly strictly from what they think of as "movements."  Organizers build long-term "organizations" that embody collective power.  Movements are often much more amorphous, lacking clear institutional centralization--which isn't necessarily a bad thing.  The best book I've read about movements is  The Movement and The Sixties by Terry H. Anderson, where he makes this very distinction, if I remember correctly.  

http://www.amazon.com/Movement...

I don't think you were trying to be this specific about "movements," but it is can be a helpful distinction.  

There is a whole literature on "social movements" that I am relatively familiar with and that I'm sure you've read around in too, but that I'm not really on top of.

How movements and local structures like organizing groups fit together is a question I'm interested in thinking about.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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Agreed (4.00 / 1)
They are not one and the same. But they are closely linked in that movements derive coherence from the participation of community organizations, while many community organizations are born out of movements--either directly or indirectly.

One of the keys to rightwing power, as I see it, is that they quite deliberately set out to fuse the two via organizing from above.  The Civil Rights Movement organized to produce tremendous change in our society, but did that far more effectively than it organized itself. And once major breakthroughs occured, it disipated quite dramatically--even though there was still a great deal left undone.  The right wanted to create a grassroots movement that wouldn't go away.  Their initial answer was abortion, even though, for example, the Southern Baptists weren't originally opposed to it.

Seen through this lens, their "failure" to achieve their goal isn't a failure at all--because "success" was never their goal.  Movement-building as institution-building was--on a national scale.  This was a very large part of how they constructed their hegemonic dominance.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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True, but the right wing's job was made easier (4.00 / 1)
by the fact that they could run everything top-down.  Because the left won't--for good reason--be willing to just parrot the talking points from the Focus on the Family, it becomes much more challenging to figure out how to link the local and the more national efforts.  

This is related to the "paradox of size" that I've noted in response to Glenn Smith's posts.  It turns out to be very challenging to build truly democratic, large networks of local organizations.  

On the other hand, to contradict myself a bit, some issues seem easy to write common "talking points" for.  IF there is a particular bill going through congress, for example.  But local organizations will often pick different issues to work on locally, and so they won't necessarily spend much effort supporting the national agenda.  I wonder if the gay rights/gay marriage issue is a potential example of an issue that is easier to link between local and national.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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Agreed (4.00 / 3)
Justice and equality are inherently more difficult to struggle for. Taking them seriously makes us less inclined to take orders, and by their very natures, it means that the issues themselves continually morph into new forms.

It's much more organic, much less mechanical.

And organic means messy.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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From a different perspective... (0.00 / 0)
Speaking as someone who knows the grassroots Obama campaign here in Philly as intimately as anyone can possibly know it it, I find that this diary is interesting  but misses the point.  The Obama grassroots is as much of a movement as any electoral campaign is capable of being.

I know that I personally, any many others have build contacts and skills needed to embark on future political endeavors.  Either electoral or issues.  More importantly we will maintain cohesion to apply pressure to make sure that key element of Obama's platform are enacted.  I will lead people in applying pressure to legislators or to Obama if necessary, particularly for issues like withdrawal from Iraq and enactment of his healthcare plan.

Any movement has its purpose, and ours is electing Obama.  Once that purpose is achieved, then the movement will have less force.  There will be people all over the country who have found that they have the ability to change things, who are more able to and more willing to step forward when they find a cause worth getting involved it.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


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This seems accurate (0.00 / 0)
and maybe I should have emphasized it more.

However, they will not be equipped with any skills for moving beyond the Obama campaign.  Being "more willing to step forward" is helpful, but I have doubts about how much of a difference it will make.  Because the ways people generally "step forward" in America is through service, not through social action.  And what you will find mostly are opportunities for service.  So you may not get much for this.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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Get ready for that, then (4.00 / 1)
I will lead people in applying pressure to legislators or to Obama if necessary, particularly for issues like withdrawal from Iraq and enactment of his healthcare plan.

Because Obama has made troop withdrawals contingent on what the "commanders on the ground" tell him, and his advisors say he will leave 40, 60, 80 thousand troops in-country till the govt is stable, they pass our oil law, etc.  And he will add 80 or 90 thousand new pairs of boots to the army and marines, obviously for the next war.

And although polls show that majorities favor single payer, Obama's health care plan still fattens insurance companies who are already getting thirty cents of every health care dollar.  

But I forgot.  You guys are not supposed (allowed?) to talk to us about issues, are you?  Just about the warm feelings that you've already got, and that we will all share if we elect Obama.  Sorta like Camelot.  Oh, and remind us that McCain guy, he's worse.  Yeah.  Much worse.

Seriously though, and I mean no offense, what say you of the author's contention that Obama volunteers are discouraged from concerning themselves with, or educating others on the issues, that you are encouraged instead to refer people to the web site.  How is that training for empowering communities to confront injustice or speak truth to power?

"If you want that good feeling that comes from doing things for other people, then you have to pay for it in abuse and misunderstanding..."
Zora Neale Hurston


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It's not entirely accurate to say they are discouraged (0.00 / 0)
from concerning themselves with the issues, just to be fair.  The Obama literature does encourage volunteers to become familiar with his policy statements, and his scripts for people do include statements about policy issues--on the Iraq war, for example.  But, yes, they do seem to be discouraged from "getting into" policy issues too much in their discussions with voters.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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on the issues (0.00 / 0)
It isn't that folks aren't allowed to think or to talk about the issues, its that most people only know or understand the two or three issues they are passionate about.  For the rest it is best to refer to a source rather than train everyone going through in every issues.  Better to admit that you don't know than pretend and be wrong.

I will decide what to do based on what actually happens, but Obama has said he favors single payer if he though it would pass (we need more Senators) and I believe that his instinct are correct on the war but await evidence of that in the form of real end to our occupation in Iraq.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


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I don't think so, man. (4.00 / 3)
Holding other legislators accountable seems possible. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, especially if you believe Obama is personally committed to your cause.

But you think you'll be able to hold him accountable using this structure he's created? Not a chance. This became very clear to me when a (very stupid) guy I know who is involved with Obama's campaign started telling me that the difference between the health care plans was all about "weather or not you believe in coercion." No doubt in my mind that he was parroting some talking points about Obama's plan he'd heard. Now, everyone is entitled to support it, but the positions his volunteers take are being determined by their support for him, not the other way around.

There's nothing wrong with that. It's how campaigns work. It's true for every candidate. But you are working to make Obama more effective, not for any separate ideology or power source. The only movement is the Obama movement, which is, centrally, about him.

Now, I've toyed with the idea of some sort of attempt to make a play for his supporters to hold him accountable (on residual troops or health care) on sites like MYBO. Just maybe that would work. But it will necessarily involve circumventing the organization he's created.

I support John McCain because children are too healthy anyway.


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"The Masters Tools Will Never Dismantle the Masters House" (0.00 / 0)
Audre Lorde had a real point.

Not always the case, I've argued in the past.  But when the shoe fits, it's an Air Jordan.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You don't have to believe me... (0.00 / 0)
But if we feel Obama let us down on a major issues, then many Obama supporters would be a part of the effort to hold him to the fire.  Particularly if that issue was one that Obama campaigned on.  I tested this sense tonight talking to one of our supporters at an event tonight and was borne out on it.

You cannot expect Obama supports to agree with you on issues like residual support or healthcare (whatever that opinion is) and thus hold him accountable.  I just would not expect the will to be there amongst them to take action.  If you want to engage in dialog on those issues, that is different.  I would recommend talking to your nearest Obama supporter, or discussing it at a blog with lots of Obama supporters.

It can be hard to determine which elements of your opinions are based on who you support and which brought you to support them.  This has been an issue for me, because I value my intellectual integrity.  It is certainly a question I ask myself, I don't know for others.

My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington- Obama
Philly for Obama


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I remember when he ran for the Senate (0.00 / 0)
he campaigned against the Patriot Act.  He had to, or he would not have won.  But once in the Senate, he voted for its renewal, and for Patriot Act 2.  Just one of many direct betrayals of stated principle.  So if he does it as president, it won't be new news.


"If you want that good feeling that comes from doing things for other people, then you have to pay for it in abuse and misunderstanding..."
Zora Neale Hurston


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Let me Reiterate: I don't think Obama volunteers (0.00 / 0)
have been brainwashed, somehow.  Instead, my point is that they have been given no tools to organize collectively to pressure him.  Sure, if he does something really offensive to the moderate left, some people may try to protest.  But they won't have the infrastructure to respond to smaller and often just as important issues around specific bills and policies.  And they won't have the capacity to protest in any coherent, strategic manner.  

The Patriot Act issue that Bruce Dixon points to is a perfect example.  

The point is not that he can get away with anything. Instead the point is that he has enormous flexibility and there is no structure to hold him accountable within this pretty broad range.

Further, even if they are not "brainwashed," they have certainly been conditioned to trust him.  This means they are likely to question themselves if he pursues a policy that they don't like.  And they may be inclined to trust him that he's right even if it doesn't match what they would do themselves.  

In other words, as I said, Obama's strategy is not training the new generation of leaders.  He may be training the new generation of campaign volunteers.  But those are very different things.  

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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This is excellent work. (4.00 / 2)
I saw it on blogs last year.  The Edwards supporters talked issues and many Obama supports talked faith in Obama.  Issues really did not matter.

You correctly identify the problem:

It is this second step that campaign supporters, like Obama's, are not prepared in their campaign training to take.  They are equipped to support Obama, but they are not equipped to pressure him, or others, on specific issues in any coherent and structured collective manner.

Since many think he will end conflict, an outcome impossible and undesirable in a democracy, they will become disillusioned when life continues. But first, they will attack progressives who seek to move Obama left if he governs from the center.  Issues do not matter, except as a tool to electing Obama.  

Clearly Obama is better than McCain, but those on the left likely will get left out.  

One of the best analysis of this phenomenom I have read.

What also is interesting is the way in which this method seemed to fail as the primaries went on.  The last two months have been a very poor performance electorily for Obama.  There are many reasons for that, including Clinton's abilty to draw support, but I wonder if this chaarisma-based campaign has inherent limitations.  


Limitations (4.00 / 2)
I think you're quite right about its limitations.  And the limitations will be even worse when it comes to governance, meaning that the need for outside pressure will be even more.

That's why, for example, I pushed the idea of dignitarianism.  It doesn't really go beyond what's already inherent in his own rhetoric--but it does have some policy implications, and rather beneficial ones at that.  Yet, they are so orthogonal to normal policy debates that they hardly seem constraining. They should be easy for him to adopt.  Not totally costless, but about as close as you can get.  And big on benefits, because they give people something on issues that is a natural extension of his core messaging.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
And his unwillingness to do this (4.00 / 2)
seems to indicate how much his campaign is based on a "trust me, I'll make good decisions, whatever they end up being" model.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

[ Parent ]
Never Trust Someone Who Says "Trust Me" (4.00 / 3)
Only trust folks who don't ask.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Very interesting, (4.00 / 2)
thanks. Particularly:

Once a person gets elected, they become a "target" just like everyone else in the power structure ... It is this second step that campaign supporters, like Obama's, are not prepared in their campaign training to take.  They are equipped to support Obama, but they are not equipped to pressure him, or others, on specific issues in any coherent and structured collective manner....    

Because they have been given no effective skills for independent action, Obama will clearly maintain a tight control over the volunteer community he has created.  People who become disappointed may leave.  But they have not acquired any capacity for acting independently as a collective, at least not in any effective and coherent manner, after they leave.  

I don't think that's the job of the Obama campaign. I think that's the job of the wider progressive movement. It's probably one that we're woefully unprepared for (though I think that this moment, before Obama's the official nominee, when half of Democrats voted for someone else, is probably the perfect time to build the foundation of our capacity to act independently from the future President Obama in a collective, coherent, and effective way).

Also, a kind of silly question. CHANGE doesn't train organizers in the hopes that they'll change CHANGE, does it? I mean, is there part of the training that says, 'And this is how you can pressure us to move in directions we don't want to go?' The fact that the Obama machine would be doing basically that (in addition, of course, to all the reasons that they're different activities, as you mention), strikes me a the reason that they're not giving them 'a taste of what these other skills and perspectives look and feel like.'

Finally, I remember reading somewhere that the Obama campaign is very intentionally not following some of the Dean campaign's 'you have the power' decentralizations championed (if I remember right) by Joe Trippi. Do you think the Dean campaign was 'an effective campaign strategy that integrated more community organizing skills ... less "top-down" in its policy and value thinking?'


Good points (4.00 / 2)
The problem is that the wider progressive community is largely unprepared to generate the structures necessary to create collective power, at least on the local level.  The point is not that the post-Alinsky organizing approach is the only one, but that I don't see alternative and effective approaches emerging.  I just heard about an elaborate rally against gun violence, for example, with all kinds of art exhibitions, etc.  This is all very nice.  But it assumes as middle class people do, that we just need to know more about the issue and then we will solve it.  All that energy that could have been used to fight for after-school programs for kids to keep them off the streets, for example.  It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

The organizers of a group like CHANGE are taught to try to identify emergent issues in the community and emerging concerns within their community.  They they try to help leaders put these together.  In the ideal, the organizers don't make the decisions about issues, although they may have a lot of influence.  A lot of dialogue can happen about what issue to pursue.  The fact is, however, that given a lack of really good issues to go after (issues that are both meaningful and winnable given the power you have) the challenge is often more about finding ANY good issue than in conflicts about which issue to pursue.

Obama is combining the role of organizer and leader.  Furthermore, he is the only central leader.  There are not a whole range of leaders that may emerge and fade back over time.  In an organizing group, there is no central leader like this.  In fact, this can be a problem since different issue committees may end up pursuing very different campaigns that really don't fit together very well.  

I don't know that much about the Dean campaign.  I am not really an expert about how campaigns work, so I hope people will correct me if there is something I've missed, above.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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As usual, the product will be the staff(s) (0.00 / 0)
This is implicit in most everything I've commented on your diaries. And the observation may be a relic of a time now ending. But in low civic engagement times, the real gain that the broader, underlying, long-term, permanent progressive movement -- of which particular organizations are sub-organisms -- derives from each eruption is the people who occupy leadership roles, usually paid roles. In this, the Obama effort will be no different, but larger, than union campaigns, some of the 2006 Democratic campaigns, anti-sweatshop work, the better ones of the current youth counter-recruitment efforts, etc.

We think what we've gained is the people touched, whether organized or mobilized or activated. And if they had an experience of efficacy -- their time wasn't wasted too much and they liked what they did -- we have gained something.

But the real long-term gain is the people who work in these things. Remember, as you do, Marshall Ganz cut his teeth in the United Farm Workers, an extraordinarily productive environment in that folks who worked in it have gone on to do some of the most interesting stuff over the last 40 years. Many testimonies to that here.  

Can it happen here?


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But if these staff (4.00 / 1)
have learned an extremely deficit vision of social action, how useful will they be?  Working for the UFW seems to me to be an entirely different thing.  

That said, I agree, as another poster said, that some engagement is better than no engagement.  In our world, though, it's likely to be siphoned off to more service work.  At which point we are right back where we started.  

Part of what I think I'm trying to say, is that what Obama is doing is significantly different, and less empowering, than what the union, anti-sweatshop, UFW folks did.  I worry that Obama's folks are learning very problematic "lessons" about social action that may actually end up misleading them at the same time as it activates them.  

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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More and less hopeful (4.00 / 1)
You may be right as turning to "service" does seem the generational norm. Also, compared to organizing, it pays.

About the "extremely deficit vision of social action" -- my premise is that is where we ALL are at this historical moment. Our picture, the vision thing, of where we'd like to take society is extremely weak, which means we lack good strategies, their associated tactics, and the policies that would make the vision a reality.

We know very generally that it is about equity, democracy and sustainability, but that's all pretty vague. We need a larger, diverse population of people who are willing to struggle and make mistakes in various directions to be able to do much more than a holding action.

As always, I greatly appreciate your diaries.

Can it happen here?


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Not sure I agree... (4.00 / 1)
But I concede a lack of knowledge.  Here are my questions:

1. Obama Organizing Fellows: Anyone hear about this program, and it's results?  Presumably the goal is expanding the base, but does it have other goals?

2. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...

An article today about faith and politics shows Obama building up on something I think he should be doing - namely expanding his Chi-town experience to build a nation-wide church group grassroots - culling from these groups a sense of moral imperative on specific issues in support of his campaign.  In this - local churches are already organized to take individual action - getting them to apply their faith and energy toward worth and election-year issues is an effective way to actively engage them in the process, and to create engagement where effective follow-up can happen.

If indeed he goes this route, as the article suggests, then there will be a very powerful grassroots movement pushing him to victory, and as importantly - ensuring a continuing energized local focus on issues.

QT

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WindOnWater.net




I'm not sure the article (0.00 / 0)
Says what you think it says.  It talks as I understand it (in an initial skim) about "values" and about general "hot-button" issues that Obama supports.  But the devil is in the details, and it's not clear that he's trying to help create organizations that can push for particular and more specific solutions on particular issues.  So the article may actually reinforce what I'm saying, here.

That said, if you are right, I think it would be a move in a more "bottom-up" empowering direction.

As for the organizing fellows program, I tried to get more information from the Obama campaign about this, but they didn't respond.  My bet is that it is more of what I talked about above.  But I don't really know.  Does anyone else out there know?  I'd especially like to know what their training looks like.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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I Think His Relationship With Jeremiah Wright Tells Us Everything We Need To Know (4.00 / 2)
He will work with religious groups that don't speak truth to power.  He will not work with those that do.

This is different from the GOP how?  Simple: It will include many who go through the motions of speaking truth to power--and some who even have qualms about that, but "want to be effective."

A further corruption of both politics and religion.

In Karl Kraus's formulation, it's the disease masquerading as the cure.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Yes, that pissed me off too (4.00 / 2)
but you can't elect just anyone you want.  And anyone you elect is bound to be disappointing to people like us.  

That's why I don't worry so much about his policy details.  It's enough for me that he cares about making these changes.  The key question is whether you can put pressure on him, and whether he will respond to that pressure.  It's best if he's already leaning your way. Without the power to put this pressure on, you are just left with hope.  

You are right, he won't work with groups that scare people that you and I don't agree with.  But he does have to get elected.  I also believe he could have found a way to cut this gordian knot more effectively.  He didn't have to ditch Wright the way he did, and it was a bad omen.  And that indicates some real limitations in him.  I think someone better than him could have been elected.  Not incredibly better, but better.

But he's who we've got.

That's why I'm spending my time thinking and writing about organizing and not about politics.  

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


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It Indicates Two Limitations (4.00 / 1)
Thre geater one is the inherent limitations of "faith-based" politics.  The good guys are always going to be a political liability, while the bad just serve to sanctify evil.  So it's always going to be much better if politics doesn't revolve around religion.  It's bad for both when it does.

The second is Obama's personal limitations--which for me showed up rather earlier in the form of who he hung out with--James Wallis in particular.

Quite frankly, I was rather shocked that he had ever had anything to do with someone as real as Jeremiah Wright, given that I knew about his friendship with Wallis first.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Some of the reason he ended up with Wright (4.00 / 2)
may have to do with his organizing work, and his desire to be with a strong activist church.  And perhaps it indicates an internal tension between the radical and the moderate?  If so, that would be a good thing, given what we have seen so far. I hope he is a more complex person than he appears on the campaign trail. I know that he was planning to be a politician a long time ago, and planning his life for it.  This involves a creation of a certain kind of "face".  Anyway, this goes way beyond what I have any real understanding of.  I don't have faith, but I do have some hope.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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However (0.00 / 0)
we probably had a better handle on what Clinton would do.  It's a risk.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

[ Parent ]
Two Peas, One Patch (0.00 / 0)
Saying "one pod" goes too far, but...

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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The Obama "movement" is a deeply cynical enterprise (4.00 / 2)
As a former and longtime community organizer myself, and NOT an Obama fan or supporter, this rings very, very true.

The author does however, seem to excuse the amorality and cynicism of misdirecting popular desire for change into empowering a politician who will do pretty much as he pleases once in office.

I have been telling people for months now that campaign organizing of the kind Obama is doing will emphatically not leave behind any core of trained activists with the tools and practice to help their communities confront injustice or speak truth to power.  It's not designed for that.  Mr. Schultz has confimed this, taking the trouble to lay out the design and intent of its "activist training", for which we are in his debt.

That said, his explanation of the differences between community organizing and the kind of campaign Obama and his  people is dead-on are running deserves wider circulation.

"If you want that good feeling that comes from doing things for other people, then you have to pay for it in abuse and misunderstanding..."
Zora Neale Hurston


I am not as cynical (4.00 / 3)
as you sound about Obama.  While I don't agree with his approach, I'm not sure he is intentionally misleading people.  Like I said, his people tend to be clear that they are mixing some organizing techniques with campaigning.  

I'm willing to give Obama more benefit of the doubt, rightly or wrongly.  I have a feeling that he thinks he is generating a movement.  And I am willing to bet that he will move towards trying somehow to use the structure he is building for more dialogic engagement with "the people."  

Like you, however, I'm not sure that this kind of "chatting" is what we need.  And I'm also concerned that the vision of the "bottom up" movement is really run "top down" in the most substantive areas.  

In this way, I'm agreeing with Paul, who has been arguing, in part, that Obama resembles the progressives of the early 20th century.  They thought they were pushing democracy, while they were really empowering themselves in a range of ways.  Most of them were quite sincere.  

I actually have a little bit of a window onto Obama as a result of a relationship with someone close to him many years ago, which gives me more "faith" in him, if you will.  But that's all I've got to go on.  You could very well be right in your critique.  

Even if he isn't being "amoral", however, because of the process he is using, the result may be the same.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


[ Parent ]
I'll email you (0.00 / 0)


"If you want that good feeling that comes from doing things for other people, then you have to pay for it in abuse and misunderstanding..."
Zora Neale Hurston


[ Parent ]
I have also intentionally tried to write this (4.00 / 1)
fairly "objectively", rightly or wrongly.  To some extent, this leaves others to decide on the kinds of points you are making themselves.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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More Info About Camp Obama (0.00 / 0)
UPDATE [I've also added this to the end of the Diary]

A student who attended Camp Obama sent me the following email and gave me permission to put it up:

A lot of what you say in your piece on OpenLeft is a fair analysis of the way the campaign has played out in practice, but it is also somewhat unfair in its depiction of Ganz's model and the goals of Camp Obama.  Telling the "Story of Self" conversion experience is only the first of a three-step process.  The second is to find an authentic "Story of Us" based on shared goals and experiences (not to tell your audience what those shared goals are), and the third is to tell a "Story of Now" to motivate action to achieve those goals.  The one-on-one interviews central to community organizing that you discuss in your piece are a prominent part of the Camp Obama training.

So, I would say that the reality of the fact that we're working on a campaign has prevented us in the short run from engaging in community organizing at the same time, and you do a good job of talking about that.  But those of us who are volunteers in the campaign and understand the distinction really have been given the tools to, at a later date, start engaging in more authentic community organizing around issues rather than a person.

This is helpful, since the information I could find on Camp Obama was limited.  I'm not sure that it makes that much difference to what I said above, since a skill you learn and then don't put into practice is unlikely to have much impact.

I'm also not really sure what exactly it means to tell the "Story of Us" and the "Story of Now."

However, it does indicate that the Obama "organizing" trainings may move more towards actual skills for social action and the creation of durable collective power in the future.  I didn't write about the Obama Fellows program because I could find no information about it, but this gives me a little hope that the fellows will get more of an organizing background.  But they will still be doing campaigning, probably still under the "telling your conversion story" model.  So what happens after the campaign will probably be most telling.

I'm also happy to hear that an organizer like Ganz didn't just do the "testimony" approach.  

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)


Actually, just look at the end of the Diary (0.00 / 0)
The more I look at the Camp Obama video on one-on-ones, the more I begin to think that they may be doing more organizing training than I thought.

--Aaron Schutz (Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing)

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