June 3rd Election Results Thread

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 19:25


Barack Obama clinches Democratic nomination with 2,161.0 delegates, 44.0 over the magic number.

Montana, 16 delegates, 5% reporting
Obama: 56% (9 delegates)
Clinton: 41% (6 delegates)
Obama +6,433 votes

South Dakota, 15 delegates, 87% reporting
Clinton: 56% (8 delegates)
Obama: 44% (7 delegates)
Clinton +9,681 votes

Iowa 3rd, 90% reporting
Boswell: 60%
Fallon: 40%
Boswell +6,151 votes

New Jersey Senate, 89% reporting
Lautenberg: 62%
Andrews: 32%
Cresitello: 6%

Update 13--Boswell wins IA-03: Leonard Boswell is finally declared the winner in the IA-03 Democratic primary. Looks like he will win by about 20%. While that isn't a total disaster, it also isn't the single-digit loss I was hoping for. He felt pressure, but will it be enough? Either way, progressives need to keep challenging.

Update 12--Wave of Superdelegates Endorses Obama: 26.5 superdelegates just endorsed Obama. He has now passed the magic number, even with Michigan and Florida given full voting rights, and even with her four delegates given back in Michigan. Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.

Update 11 [from Matt]:  Boswell is up by 12 points, it looks like he'll take it.  That's an extremely tight margin for a primary.

Update 10--Obama wins Montana and national popular vote: In one positive development tonight, Barack Obama wins Montana big. The exit poll indicates it will be a huge victory, too: 55.7%--38.2%, according to the gender crosstabs. So, Obama will win the popular vote. Will he reach the 24,000 threshold that moves him outside the margin of error? Hopefully.

Update 9--Clinton doesn't conceede: Well, Clinton clearly didn't conceede in her speech. Hell, before her speech, McAuliffe introduced her as "the next President of hte United States of America." Then, in case the point hadn't been driven home, she said "I'm not deciding anything tonight." A lot of denail happening, but no concession or suspension. Perhaps one would have come if Obama had tried harder in South Dakota, and actually won the state. Then again, considering the way the Clinton campaign has acted for the last three months, probably not.

Update 8--Hey Obama, a 50-state strategy means campaign in all 50 states: I'm actually kind of angry at Obama for not campaigning harder in Montana and South Dakota. He could have won South if he made a bigger play for it. Also, even if he still lost, these are both important states for Democrats. If Obama had made a bigger push in Montana, he could have put the state in play in the general, and helped the local party solidfy its many recent gains downticket. If he campaigned harder in South Dakota, he could have helped build the party for 2010, when we can take down Thune. Pretty friggin' lame that he didn't campaign harder in those two states. Even though he won the nomination tonight, I'm not very happy with him right now. We need to campaign everywhere in order to build the party everywhere. Obama didn't do that in Montana and South Dakota.

Update 7--Clinton wins South Dakota: Hillary Clinton has won South Dakota. It is really, really important for Obama to win Montana now. Winning the nomination on a night of a double loss would be terrible, especially since he has only won Guam, Oregon, and North Carolina since March. If Obama doesn't win Montana by more than Clinton won South Dakota, Clinton can still win the popular vote, too. It would really suck to have a nominee who didn't win the popular vote.

Update 6--McCain at only 65% in South Dakota: Wow--McCain is only at 65% in South Dakota. That is pretty friggin' heinous. He hasn't had an opponent for three months.

Update 5--Exit poll indicates Clinton South Dakota victory: The South Dakota exit poll shows Clinton ahead 53.8%--46.2%, according to the gender crosstabs. Hopefully, Obama will win Montana by more than Clinton wins South Dakota. Not exactly the sort of result I would have hoped for the night Obama clinches.

Updte 4--Lautenberg crushes Andrews in New Jersey Senate primary: Frank Lautenberg comfortably defeats corproate challenger Rob Andrews in the New Jersey Seenate primary. With 17% reporting, Lautenberg leads by a 2-1 margin. Good. This result will now be moved to the bottom, and updates will be infrequent.

Update 3--Explaining my delegate math: Obama now has 360.5 superdelegates according to their last email on Bob Brady (the campaign just hasn't updated its results website yet). Democratic Convention Watch shows Obama at 1749.5 pledged delegates. Exit polls indicate at least exactly 7 delegates for Obama in South Dakota. With a magic number of 2,117 (not 2,118), Obama is now 0.0 delegates from the nomination. Or, at least he will be, when South Dakota polls close.

Update 2--Obama to win Democratic nomination at 9 p.m.:  Rep. Bob Brady endroses Barack Obama, putting Obama over the top in my count. Preliminary exit polls from South Dakota indicate Clinton will receive less than 60% of the vote, meaning that Obama will win at least 7 delegates in the state. As such, Barack Obama will become the Democratic nominee when South Dakota polls close at 9 p.m..

Update--Obama's Victory Speech? Drudge has supposedly obtained a copy of Obama's victory speech. You can read it here.  

Chris Bowers :: June 3rd Election Results Thread

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At long last, it'll be over (0.00 / 0)
Someone needs to find out what's happening in South Dakota, though...Intrade (which I use as an informal barometer) swung wildly to Clinton in the past couple of days.

Perhaps (4.00 / 1)
That's what's left of her CoH

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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arg poll with clinton up big (0.00 / 0)


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Has ARG (0.00 / 0)
gotten any state correct?

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They've been pretty bad (0.00 / 0)


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Obama, rightly or wrongly, already in GE mode... (0.00 / 0)
Allowed Hillary to basically camp out there and make her case... probably a lot of sympathy vote and the fact that they were seeing her a LOT more than Obama.

Add to the fact that it seems like Obama supporters already feel like the nomination has been more or less wrapped up, so may not be turning out for him in as great of numbers.


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New Mexico?? (0.00 / 0)
Also important primaries there.

Actually .. (0.00 / 0)
in NM .. is it the Rethuglican Senate primary between Pearce and Wilson .. for the right to get crushed by one of the Udalls

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Also (0.00 / 0)
All three house seats.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Well, (0.00 / 0)
That is of interest, but the races for the democratic nominations for all three congressional districts are quite important and interesting as well. Two of them are quite close and in the case of the second district there is a change to choose a really impressive progressive. In the third district (Santa Fe) the race to replace Tom Udall is also close and important. I am surprised these are getting so little attention.  

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Speeches and whatnot (0.00 / 0)
Alright, so Obama, Clinton and McCain are all giving speech type things tonight?

Do these have scheduled times? Is Clinton or Obama speaking first?


In order..I've heard (4.00 / 2)
McCain around 8:30, Clinton around 9:15 and then Obama around 10:15-10:30

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Obama's speech (0.00 / 0)
Very nice overall. It hits each of the three key notes. He says nice things about HRC, drives home the McCain=Bush theme, and preemptively starts warding off the negative attacks that are sure to come.

The "this is the moment" end is a bit pompous and grandiose when read as a text (the man is actually predicting that his nomination will reverse the course of planetary damage), but I bet it works rhetorically.

John McCain: Health insurance for low income children represents an "unfunded liability."


How are we at 1 delegate? (4.00 / 1)
Demconwatch still has it at 10, I think.  He needs to slow down to let the votes push him over! =)

Technically (0.00 / 0)
Obama hasn't "won" anything, at least according to the roolz.  (Who died and made Bob Brady a kingmaker?)  

Perhaps he'll phrase it differently.


yes (0.00 / 0)
semantics is the story of the day.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Who died and made Bob Brady a kingmaker? (4.00 / 3)
No one had to die. Bob Brady, Philadelphia machine boss, has been kingmaker for a long, long time now.

Or, at least I don't think anyone had to die.  


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No, but his wardleader, (0.00 / 0)
City Council President George X. Schwartz, apparently needed to be convicted and imprisoned in the Abscam scandal!

(According to Wikipedia, at least ...)


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Hey Bowers ... (0.00 / 0)
Brady's king maker rep took a hit .. as he finished what ... 3rd or 4th in the Philly mayoral primary?

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Well (0.00 / 0)
He can make kings. He just can't be king himself. :)

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Is he dumb enough (4.00 / 1)
Is McCain dumb enough to be talking so the networks cut from his speech to say that Obama officially won the nomination?

I guess so (4.00 / 3)
God, even I saw that one coming... McCain needs to get some better advisors.

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Ahhh, no he doesn't... (4.00 / 5)
I like these just fine!

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Of course (0.00 / 0)
CNN and MSNBC switch off, Fox News stays on McCain.

CNN viewers missed a line about "the most liberal record in the Senate" or somesuch.

"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that."
-Lawrence Summers


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ITS OVER! (0.00 / 0)
I accept it, I accept it!!!! Woot! Finally!

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

Bowers wins the contest (4.00 / 1)
Will CNN put him on for declaring the win at 9ET?

wow (4.00 / 1)
Can you believe McCain's team let the SD results cut into his speech?  They had to know that he was going to cross the line at 9pm EDT.  Seems bush league to me...

Can I have a present for primary-ending-day? (0.00 / 0)
I would really like comments on the quick hits. And I know its already primary-ending-day, and that I should have written to Bowers or Matt or something probably last week, but, well, pleeeeeeeeeeeease!

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

MSNBC says Hillary wants a meeting before conceding (4.00 / 1)
she's nuts. Tweety called em on it, why the hell are they leaking this nonsense to the press if she wants a private meeting. Also, maybe she should have been a little nicer last month. I can't wait to see her try to explain "accepting" in the media for three days. Tolerance for this is not going to last long.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

saw that (0.00 / 0)
If she doesn't concede it's pretty crass in my opinion.  Looks like she just won SD, but still... now is the time to be reasonable.

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O was spending his time in swing states (4.00 / 1)
he's already gone general. He didn't try hard in SD.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

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and yes, im just repeating crap I hear on tv or read at dkos (0.00 / 0)
:)

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

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But MSNBC called Montana for Obama (4.00 / 2)
So he goes out on a high note, gets the 5 extra supers, and everyone is vindicated.

Hillary should NOT get VP.  She (and Bill) still suck up way too much oxygen. And it would make him look weak.

McCain looked awful.  Like he was watching a tennis match.  And that stupid laugh that started just before the nets mercifully cut to Obama going over the top.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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Damn (4.00 / 3)
Not liking the South Dakota Results.  I could have lived with a close loss,  but Obama should have been campaigning and getting the vote out.  Maybe it won't make a difference with him losing but winning Montana.  After all, momentum hasn't been too much of a factor this election and lets be honest, McCain's speech was just awful... He mad Gravel look articulate.

Obama's now supposed to offer the VP to Clinton so she can say no?!? Sheesh. (0.00 / 0)
Anyone listening to the completely inane speculation on MSNBC that there are machinations under consideration whereby Obama would offer the VP to Clinton, provided he knows that she'd refuse it? And the pundits think this would actually be a good idea, somehow?

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Pat Buchanan seemed to think it was a pretty stupid idea (0.00 / 0)
don't know who came up with that dumb idea. have to say - the online video from msnbc is a lot more exciting to watch than that cnn. they have a lot more energy, and tweety actually cracks me up - im addicted to how he speaks.

Terry Mac is talking at Clinton quarters - god he's lucky to have Ickes sounding like such a douche. He doesnt sound completely horrible when you hear Ickes.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


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har! hillaryclinton.com (4.00 / 1)
she's still dropping the website name!

she's rolling out the "who will be the strongest candidate?" she's claiming popular vote - at 18 million - the math gets better every day. and she's claiming swing states that matter. awesome! she's gonna get slayed in the press the rest of this whole week.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare


"Yes she will" chant (4.00 / 1)
This is pretty absurd... unless they're saying "Yes she will... try to negotiate a VP slot".

Actually from tonight's coverage, apart from some conversations about the VP kabuki dance, there really wasn't much talk about Clinton.

"I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that."
-Lawrence Summers


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we need a new thread just for this speech (0.00 / 0)
this is hilarious! she is so so crazy. nobody has any idea what she's up to. her leverage goes down from today.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

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Chris stay calm (4.00 / 1)
My friends at a major news org said Obama won Montana big....

Seems to me Obama was simultaneously running against (4.00 / 3)
McCain and Clinton.  I can't remember the last time McCain challenged Clinton on anything, or if he ever did.  She had more time than Obama did and she had an ex-President to help(although that turned out not to work out) too.  

Chris... Pop Vote is BS... (4.00 / 1)
I mean, I think you've even mentioned it before... and I'm not sure why you've come back around as seeing it as something extraordinarily important here...

The fact that you're also including MI in any form is sort of ridiculous, particularly if you're trying to use exit polls to hash out the uncommitteds.  Why would you do that?  If you use the exit polls to hash out the entire results, Obama is well ahead in the popular vote.  What's more valid?  I think valid arguments could be made for either one, but the point is, we don't know... it's about delegates.

The fact is, as you've mentioned before as the "process" takes over that Caucuses obviously get completely trivialized in any Popular Vote argument.  Why should they count for so much less?

We can make an argument against caucuses if we want... but the fact is that the caucuses are considered as equally valid to a primary... they should be treated as such, and that's that.  If we don't like the way that that's played out, then yeah, we can change it for next time and make the popular vote the primary way in which we choose a nominee.  It's not now, and I think you're doing the same thing that Clinton was doing before with changing the way the game is scored... It's about delegates, and that's that.


Perception matters (0.00 / 0)
Popular vote is a metric that has an emotive and moral appeal regardless of what the rules say.

If Obama doesn't have a fairly construed and calculated metric whereby he wins the popular vote, that is an effective talking point against him.


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Whose talking point? (0.00 / 0)
Are Republicans gonna start talking about popular vote totals now?

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Yes, of course they will (0.00 / 0)
When has hypocrisy ever given them pause before?


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Just checking that's what you meant. (0.00 / 0)
I don't see that being such an effective talking point given response is, every time, gonna be: "Like Bush lost the popular vote in 2000?" Yeah, they're hypocrite, and I hope they give us such an easy opportunity to point that out.

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Then it's already a talking point... (0.00 / 0)
I can't imagine that's going to be very effective, but if McCain is going to use the "Popular Vote" against Obama, then they will just use whatever metric works for them... including the one Clinton is already using.

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SD loss (4.00 / 1)
I hear you Chris about the lack of effort in SD.  But I honestly think that in 2 weeks no one will be talking about that loss -- he's now the nominee!  In that sense I think it may have been smart politics to start the GE when he did.  Competing with Clinton as heavily as you suggest would've lowered him to the primary when it was clear to every objective observer that he was, in fact, the de-facto nominee.

Good God (4.00 / 2)
Hillary Clinton has to be the worst loser ever.

h0pe (0.00 / 0)
I'm still hoping for a last minute concession at the end of this speech.

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no decision tonight (0.00 / 1)
LOL! what a dick! LOL! She takes the cake!

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

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let me add (0.00 / 0)
she doesn't need to make a decision, the voters and supers have already done it. I'm going to enjoy watching her try to continue playing this stand off. She's toast in the media. The media is going to ask a thousand democratic politicians this week, "so do you think Hillary should take this to the convention, is this going to help the nominee Barack Obama?" Yeah, the democratic party is going to love those questions. Astounding power play.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

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well (0.00 / 0)
Those hopes were dashed quickly...  what a transparent play for the VP slot.  Pretty aggressive, no?

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So much for that... (4.00 / 1)
Headlines tomorrow: Obama Presumptive Nominee, Clinton worst sore loser in history.

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One more thought- the 50 state strategy is a Democratic Party (4.00 / 2)
strategy, so even if Obama was not campaigning heavily, the Clintons were.  The message of the two candidates is not that far apart, and within the Democratic Party message, so it really is a matter of face time that Obama needs to make up.

I think she forgot the concession part (4.00 / 2)


Do you think most Super Delegates will have her number on call blocking (0.00 / 0)
from this day forward?

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He should have campaigned in SD (4.00 / 2)
Really, would it have killed Obama to put off general election campaigning another week?

I don't think so (0.00 / 0)
In my opinion, looking at the forest would suggest that talking as the presumptive nominee brought him more benefits than bringing himself back to the primary.

Had Obama won SD, the media narrative wouldn't have changed much considering how much support Clinton garnered in the last few primaries.  I don't think SD changes that narrative.

That said, Clinton's play for the VP slot is so transparent that it will dominate coverage over the next few days.  I'm hoping that Obama can project strength as the Democratic party standard bearer -- whether he takes her as VP or not (which at this point I'm undecided on).


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At least Obama won MT immediately.. (4.00 / 3)
MT called immediately, should be a good margin.

That's a relief (4.00 / 1)
  Thanks. South Dakota was such a buzzkill, and Hillary's speech made me want to jump off a cliff.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn

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The Obama campaign... (4.00 / 2)
  ...was great at electoral mechanics (piling up delegates). But it was AWFUL at generating and controlling media narratives. And Obama STILL hasn't learned.

 Wrapping up the primary season with a pair of wins would have deflated any remaining Hillary arguments. Instead, he let her win South Dakota, and who knows if he punted Montana too. So Hillary now has yet another opening to scream about how It's All Rightfully Hers.

 That said, she is one sore, classless loser.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


Eh. (0.00 / 0)
   I think she would not have conceded even losing South Dakota.  That said, Obama should have campaigned in South Dakota more than he did.  

John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

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I wonder if he will now edit his speech considering what Clinton did or did not (0.00 / 0)
say?

He graciously does not. He seems on the verge of tearing up, especially when (0.00 / 0)
he claimed the nomination.  

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Song (4.00 / 1)
Ever notice they all keep recycling the same songs?  I want my kids to grow up and write an inspirational Presidential Song.  They'd be set for life.

Yep (0.00 / 0)
Check the date on that one....

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For a good laugh, see below (0.00 / 0)
Whose idea was it to have John McCain give a "pre-buttal" to Obama's speech?  This is frankly, hilarious.

You can hear the dozens chanting "John McCain" at five minutes.


Montana (0.00 / 0)
Obama had 17 field offices and dozens of paid staffers in Montana, started advertising there 2 months ago....and he punted the state?

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