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by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 11:27


On Bill Moyers Journal last night, Moyers played a clip of John F. Kennedy.  He did it as a way of talking about how far-and how surprisingly we've come to have a black presidential nominee.  But I noticed something different.  See if you can spot it:

BILL MOYERS: Welcome to the Journal.

I never thought we'd see this in my lifetime. When I was growing up in the segregated south the Democratic Party was the bastion of white male supremacy. The inequality of the races was a given, God-ordained and immutable. Women were okay, as long as they kept to their place. And now look what's happened. A black man and a white woman battled each other to the wire for the nomination by a party that turned itself upside down, inside out, and around in my lifetime. Barack Obama was born the year John F. Kennedy took the oath of office as President of the United States.

JOHN F. KENNEDY: I, John Fitzgerald Kennedy do solemnly swear. . .

BILL MOYERS: At his inauguration, I stood in the clear, cold weather and felt a shiver, not from the weather, but from the hint of things to come. Two years later, Obama was a toddler, and I was 27, and there was Kennedy on television proposing a civil rights bill to end the awful discrimination enforced on black people throughout America's history. It was 45 years ago next week - June 11, 1963 - and the President asked, "Are we to say to the world - and much more importantly to each other - that this is the land of the free, except for the Negroes; that we have no second-class citizens, except Negroes; that we have no class or caste system, no ghettoes, no master race, except with respect to Negroes."

JOHN F. KENNEDY: The Negro baby born in America today, regardless of the section of the State in which he is born, has about one-half as much chance of completing a high school as a white baby born in the same place on the same day, one-third as much chance of completing college, one-third as much chance of becoming a professional man, twice as much chance of becoming unemployed. . .

BILL MOYERS: Tragically, Kennedy was assassinated as Congress was still battling over his civil rights bill and Lyndon Johnson was thrust into the White House. I went with him and saw Johnson take up the cause. Martin Luther King marched, and Lyndon Johnson maneuvered, and on the 2nd of July in 1964 the President signed the Civil Rights Act into law. The fight wasn't over; he knew it. The President told me, "I think we've just handed the South to the Republican Party for the rest of my life - and yours." Sure enough, the backlash was so bitter, and the Republican Party, once the party of Lincoln, so exploited it, that I figured this country would have a serious woman candidate for President long before any person of African descent. As the choice came down this year to one or the other, is one of those shifts that democracy and history take when we least suspect it.

BARACK OBAMA: Because of you, tonight I can stand before you and say that I will be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States.

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JOHN F. KENNEDY: The Negro baby born in America today, regardless of the section of the State in which he is born, has about one-half as much chance of completing a high school as a white baby born in the same place on the same day, one-third as much chance of completing college, one-third as much chance of becoming a professional man, twice as much chance of becoming unemployed. . .

Now, high school graduation rates are a subject of some controversy  But no one doubts that a substantial racial graduation rate persists to this day.  College statistics are much more solid, but again, no one doubts that there are still substantial gaps.  Kennedy's figures for "professional men" seem quite high for the time.  It was still quite commonplace in the early 1960s for black college graduates to hold menial jobs.  A college degree did not mean a college degree job, and the same was true for professionals as well.

These figures that Kennedy threw out were troubling to me, but it would take some time to dig out the relevant figures, and assure myself that they were not in dispute.  But unemployment?

Well, as it happens, the US Government didn't actually keep employment figures by race at the time that Kennedy gave that address.  But the figure of twice the unemployment rate was quite believable.  And since that time, the unemployment rate by race has been quite well documented.  In fact, I wrote about right here at Open Left not too long ago, in a diary called, "Two Long Recessions".  The first recession was in quality of life generally, as measured using by indices such as the Genuine Progress Indicator (GPI).  Here's part of what I wrote at the beginning of my discussion of the second long recession:


    Black America's Perpetual Recession

    Obviously, Black America suffers disproportionately from the long depression described above.  Income inequality--one of the factors measured by GPI--affects Black America disproportionately.  Negative externalities--such as exposure to pollution--also impact Black America much more severely than they affect America as a whole.  But Black America also suffers a perpetual depression in conventional economic terms as well.

    The Institute for Southern Studies was founded in 1970 by veterans of the civil rights movement, and has published its journal, Southern Exposure since 1973.  It also has a blog, where Executive Director Chris Kromm recently wrote:

    Black America is in a permanent recession

    Pundits are working themselves into a dither about whether the U.S. is or isn't officially "in a recession." But for at least one segment of the country, the question is settled: African-Americans are deep in recession, and have been for a while.

    In fact, black America is in what should be called a permanent recession.

    In January, economist Algernon Austin at the Economic Policy Institute pointed out that even in good times, huge numbers of African-Americans are being left behind:

      In the best of times, many African American communities are forced to tolerate levels of unemployment unseen in most white communities. The 2001 recession pushed the white annual unemployment rate up from a low of 3.5% in 2000 to a high of 5.2% in 2003. During the same period, the black unemployment rate shot up from 7.6% to 10.8%.

    In the "one picture/one thousand words" department:

    As we see, the black unemployment rate is routinely significantly higher than white unemployment rate--so much higher, in fact, that black unemployment at its lowest only briefly dipped below the highest levels for white unemployment since record-keeping began.  White unemployment rose above 7.5% in the early 1980s, considered a period of wrenching hard times.  But black unemployment only dipped below these record levels  for a few years during Clinton's second term--a period of broad economic expansion that blacks remember fondly as a period of economic opportunity!  Indeed, this experience is one of the chief reasons that Hillary Clinton initially mantained such broad black support against Barack Obama, until his victory in Iowa caucuses among white voters.

    Looking at the chart above, it looks to the naked eye as if the white and black unemployment rates go up and down together, but that the black rate is roughly twice that of the white rate, and indeed, if we graph the difference between the two rates, we see that this is generally so, as the difference between the rates closely tracks the black rate itself:

    What this tells us is quite significant--generally speaking there are twice as many blacks as whites, percentagewise, looking for work, regardless of how tight the labor market is.  

    If one black worker in six is looking for work, then one white worker in twelve will be looking, too.  If things improve, and one black worker in twelve is looking for work, then one white worker in twenty-four will be looking for work.  If things improve even more, and one black worker in twenty-four is looking for work... well, that's never happened.  The economy has never been that good.


In this one respect, clearly, nothing has changed for black America since Kennedy gave his speech--a speech that was in itself historic... and yet has left so much still to be done.

Black America's endless recession will not end, just because Barack Obama gets elected President.  Make no mistake about it, Obama's election will be an historic event.  No one can doubt it.  But it will not magically change everything in the twinkling of an eye.

Black America's endess recession is just one statistic that's indicative of the "two Americas" that John Edwards spoke of.  The "two Americas" divide is not solely racial, but those on the wealthy side are overwhelmingly white, and those who are not, are not.  And so we should be very clear about this-in electing Barack Obama, rather than John Edwards, we are taking the cheap and easy way out.


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You're So Predictable : ) (4.00 / 4)
When I saw this last night on Bill Moyers, I thought to myself "I wonder whether Paul Rosenberg will discuss the JFK quotes and the lack of progress since then on OpenLeft?"  Your posts on this topic have been some of your best and so, they have really stuck with me.  

Saxby Chambliss, worse than disgraceful; he's reprehensible.  

White/black inequality is underestimated (4.00 / 5)
Paul,

White/black inequality in employment is usually underestimated, because most measures ignore people in prison.  (Though people in prison admittedly aren't "looking for work," they're generally not employed, either, and it makes sense to count them as not employed.)  Since African Ameican men are in prison at a rate 7.5 times that of white men, the employment gap is worse than it looks.  See http://www.brynmawr.edu/Acads/...
for more on how ignoring incarceration affects measures of employment and wage inequaity.  I'm not sure whether the figures you posted account for this or not, but most don't.

Raj


You're Absolutely Right! (4.00 / 3)
"Unemployment" technically refers to a measure of those in the labor force, but not employed.  People in prison are not in the labor force, and so are not counted as "unemployed."

For instance, this BLS [Bureau of Labor Statistics] table shows, among many other things, white non-hispanic and black male labor participation rates age 16+ at

    1986: 76.5 (w) / 71.2 (b)
    1996: 75.3 (w) / 68.7 (b)
    2006: 73.0 (w) / 66.7 (b)

The situation with blacks in prison is just one example of how this measurement can be misleading.  The Europeans use a much more realistic measure of joblessness, which is one reason that they seem to have a lot more joblessness than we do.  In reality, they may have marginally more joblessness, but the vast majority of it is simply having a more honest and direct measure of joblessness.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
Excellent and Insightful, as usual (4.00 / 1)
But I disagree with your last line.

I think a lot of the racial divide (economically, politically, socially), historically has been predicated on perception.  And perception is reality.

The entire history of our nation is one of perceiving people of African decent as being somehow less than those of European decent.  As such, they have been discriminated against at all levels and as a result have been part of the less successful side of the "two Americas."

Barak Obama's election (assuming it occurs) will go a long way toward defeating this perception.  Suddenly, an African-American as President changes the equation: if the Presidency, why not the job for the next opening?

I know this is a simplified explanation, but I believe America has a perception problem exemplified by the Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanans: if you aren't of European descent, you are somehow less American.  

Two Americas: haves and have nots, us and them.

Obama blurs the perception.


By the way,,, (0.00 / 0)
That should have been descent, not "decent" in the second paragraph...

Although some might argue it was a Freudian slip?


[ Parent ]
Good Catch! (0.00 / 0)
But we're lucky they have transcripts at all, regardless of who's providing the lingerie.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

[ Parent ]
I Don't Deny That Obama Makes A Difference (0.00 / 0)
But it doesn't mean we have to do anything, in and of itself. Except, of course, that Edwards got him to promise an initiative to halve the poverty rate.  But, again, that's Edwards.

I don't deny that it's historic, and I don't deny it will make a difference.  I just think that symbolic action is always the easy way out.  And now is a subset of always.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
Fantastic post, Paul (4.00 / 3)
But here's what jumped out at me from the transcript. It's something that has jumped out at me ever since Bill Clinton's quote immediately following Obama's victory in the SC primary.  

Moyers:

"I figured this country would have a serious woman candidate for President long before any person of African descent."

NO, NO, NO.

In fact, we've had a "serious" candidate for President who was of African descent. That candidate won 7 million votes and 11 primaries. In fact, for a brief period of time, that candidate was either the favorite or the near-favorite to win the Democratic nomination for the presidency.  

That candidate also spent a lot of time talking about precisely the issues you discuss in your excellent post.

And if even the good guys like Bill Moyers have forgotten about him and his candidacy, it just shows us how far we have to go.

There's a reason Jesse Jackson Jr. "cried all night". It's not just because he's a black politician.  



                                   John McCain: US economic woes 'psychological'
                               


Ah, Yes, Tell Me About It (4.00 / 4)
I wrote something about this ("Conservatives Play The Anti-Race Card") back when George Will, compared Obama to Jackson and Sharpton as someone who talked about the issues.

Will:

Conservative radio host Bill Bennett said Mr. Obama "has taught the black community you don't have to act like Jesse Jackson; you don't have to act like Al Sharpton. You can talk about the issues. And, this is a breakthrough."

Me:

Let's take Bennett [sic] first.  According to him, Jackson and Sharpton don't talk about issues, Barack Obama does.  There are many, many progressive activists who would strongly disagree with such a
claim.  But why argue opinions?  Let's try a simple reality test, shall we?  Google all three and the top issue for black America for the last 3 months: subprime mortagatges, which threaten a
massive loss of black assets.

Results 1 - 30 of about 68,300 over the past 3 months for "Jesse Jackson".
Results 1 - 30 of about 19,800 over the past 3 months for "Jesse Jackson" subprime
Percentage of name mentions with "subprime": 29.0%

Results 1 - 30 of about 64,100 over the past 3 months for  "Al Sharpton".
Results 1 - 30 of about 6,530 over the past 3 months for  "Al Sharpton" Suprime
Percentage of name mentions with "subprime": 10.2%

Results 1 - 30 of about 1,880,000 over the past 3 months for  "Barack Obama"
Results 1 - 30 of about 83,100 over the past 3 months for  "Barack Obama" Suprime.
Percentage of name mentions with "subprime": 4.4%

So, it looks like Jackson and Sharpton both have focused more attention, relatively, on the subprime mortgage problem than Obama has.  Of course, they're not running for President--this time-so that shouldn't be construed as a slam against Obama.  There's bound to be tons of process-oriented items about Obama, and he can't be held responsible for that.  Still, it is unmistakably true that both Sharpton and Jackson have paid significant attention to the number one issue confronting black America, the subprime mortgage crisis-significantly more than George Will or William Bennet, in fact:

Results 1 - 30 of about 36,300 over the past 3 months for  "George Will"
Results 1 - 30 of about 960 over the past 3 months for "George Will" subprime
Percentage of name mentions with "subprime": 2.6%

Bennett requires us to combine two searches-For "William Bennett" and "Bill Bennett:

Results 1 - 30 of about 13,400 over the past 3 months for "Bill Bennett"
Results 1 - 30 of about 13,400 over the past 3 months for "William Bennett"
Total: about 26,800
Results 1 - 30 of about 224 over the past 3 months for "Bill Bennett" subprime
Results 1 - 18 of 18 over the past 3 months for "William Bennett" subprime
Total: about 242
Percentage of name mentions with "subprime": 0.9%

Fancy that!  Look who's not talking about issues!  Bill Bennett, a hypocrite!  Who would have ever imagined?  I'm all like Claude Raines, you know?  At least George Will, at 2.6% is above 50% of Obama's total, and almost 10% of Jesse Jackson's.  Pretty good for white guy, don'cha think?

In fact, I've been thinking about revisiting this very post in light of how much Obama has avoided talking about specific issues in favor of thematic messages.  It's not that that's a bad thing in itself (George Lakoff and all), but it really does show--for the umpteen millionth time--just how totally upside the conservative rap on black politicians is.  There really are no other politicians in America who are as issue-oriented as the black progressives.  It's not even close.  And one key to Obama's popularity with whites is that he doesn't do that.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
Cheap and easy way out of what exacty? (0.00 / 0)


Confronting Our History of Racism, Of Course! (4.00 / 1)
What, you didn't think there was a subtext to this race?

"The subtext is rapidly becoming text."
    --Rupert Giles, "Ted," Buffy, The Vampire Slayer, Season 2, Episode 11


"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

[ Parent ]
Just a start (0.00 / 0)
We now have a person of color beginning a serious, well-organized, well-funded run for the top (pretty miserable when you really think about it) job in our nation.  This person is, finally, actually supported by the party under which banner he is running for this job.

But let's not get all proud of ourselves here.

This person is, in my opinion, what I think of as "transitional".  Despite his grappling with what his relationship to black Americans was to be, what he wanted that relationship to be, despite his adoption of some parts of black culture, and his concomittant understanding of it, this very fine, intelligent, possibly imaginative and honest person is NOT an American black man.

When I was in high school we learned that the generation you are is figured through your father.  I am a 1st generation American despite that my mother is a 12th generation American, because my father was not born in this country.

By this rubric, Mr. Obama is only a 1st generation American of color.

I look forward to the time when a 12th generation black American of either gender is a candidate for this thankless job we have here.  When that time comes, we may actually be able to justify ending affirmative action.  

Until then, to me it's all back slapping.


Ending Affirmative Action? (0.00 / 0)
Actually, the best evidence is that affirmative action is insufficient to counter existing discrimination, much less make up for the past.

So the idea that one person getting one job despite being black would mean anything at all is really stretching it, no matter what generation they are.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"


[ Parent ]
What exactly does this mean? (0.00 / 0)
Legal impediments to African American success have been reduced.  African Americans occupy some of the most powerful positions in government.  There is a black middle class.  None of this was true in 1960.

Yet the most telling indicators show that for the bulk of the population, little has changed.

Why?

Is it because for much of this period, there has been no growth in the middle for anyone, so no space for those at the bottom to move up in large numbers?  Or is the notion of relatively rapid social mobility entirely a myth?  Or is it that racism still persists most stongly at the lower levels of income, creating a bottleneck?  Or something else?

If the triumph of Obama is largely symbolic, then is there any hope to move beyond racism?    


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