The Democratic System Melts Down: FISA Capitulation

by: Matt Stoller

Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 11:35


Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, and Barack Obama, the leaders of our party, all took essentially the same position on the final FISA capitulation, which essentially boils down to 'it's not my responsibility to stop this horrible mess.'  Whether it was Hoyer pushing the compromise, Pelosi encouraging him and calling it an improvement on the original FISA legislation, or Obama's radio silence when a word to Hoyer could have stopped this train in its tracks, this is the basic attitude that the Democratic leadership has had towards the Bush administration in general, even after winning in 2006.  It's the attitude on display in 2007 during the war capitulation vote, during the Energy bill fight when Hoyer stuck billions in nuclear subsidies into an Appropriations bill, on net neutrality, on FISA in August, 2007, on impeachment, on military contractors, on Congressional subpoenas, on global warming, on immigration, on torture, on Federal budget priorities, and on basically every major policy issue that has come up this Congressional cycle.
Matt Stoller :: The Democratic System Melts Down: FISA Capitulation

There were a few moments of genuine accomplishment - stopping Bush on Social Security in 2005, stopping John Bolton's appointment in 2006, working to uncover corruption in the Justice Department, preventing (until now) a war with Iran - but these have been entirely defensive.  A few unexpected stalwarts, like Nancy Boyda, have shown themselves to be terrific, while the fighting Democrats of 2006 - Chris Carney, Joe Sestak, etc - and people like Jerry McNerney have proved to be better scolds than leaders.

Meanwhile, leadership on a Presidential level on core policy issues - war, torture, civil liberties - never really emerged, even though the country opened up and millions of people gave to Obama and Clinton as surrogates for change.  Steny Hoyer and Nancy Pelosi backed Al Wynn for Congress, just as Obama is now backing John Barrow, FISA reactionary, in primaries.

The attitude is not a Republican 'damn the consequences' model, but it is one that illustrates a dramatic lack of leadership. Somehow, the risk profile of Democratic decision-makers has remained incredibly cautious and barren of willpower.  And somehow, our strategies as activists have failed to gel with existing political decision-makers; the disaffected elites in the business and military worlds are not yet coming our way.  There are reasons for hope, pilots, if you will, of a new type of politics - Glenn Greenwald has showed that there is the possibility of leading a different political paradigm, Martin Heinrich, Donna Edwards, Tom Udall, Tom Perriello, and Darcy Burner are putting leadership into their campaigns.  The ACLU has become enormously effective in working with internet communities in a genuine partnership, and we are learning new tools and tactics.  Bill McKibben's remarkable Step It Up has morphed into 350.org, a global movement, and audience share of the TV and radio barons is shrinking.

My hope for the next cycle is that we will see a scenario of rising expectations turn into frustrated expectations, and the public will have an appetite for more concrete ideas about change.  Issues like FISA will go mainstream, just as the New Right turned the Panama Canal treaty in 1977 into a mainstream voting issue.  After all, you can only claim it's not your responsibility to fix the mess for so long, if you ran on fixing the mess in Washington.


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Substance? You've GOT To Be Kidding! (0.00 / 0)
Meanwhile, leadership on a Presidential level on core policy issues - war, torture, civil liberties - never really emerged, even though the country opened up and millions of people gave to Obama and Clinton as surrogates for change.

If the Democrats talked about what's actually happening in and with America, then maybe Chris Matthews might get upset.  And there's no "maybe" where David Broder is concerned.

We can't have that.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Tom Tomorrow posted this a while back: (4.00 / 1)

Sound familiar?


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Those Comix Will Destroy Western Civilization Yet! (0.00 / 0)
Mark my words!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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FISA (0.00 / 0)
I don't get it.  What's in it for Hoyer and the rest?  Why do this?  Is it a fear of being called weak on national security?   Are they getting big dollars from the telecoms? Help me.  FISA is totally inside baseball for 99% of the electorate.

My guess (0.00 / 0)
Is that it's about sucking up to big business.  They perceive a great monetary benefit and little electoral cost to backing this legislation.

That sounds pretty cynical, I know, but it's a rational explanation.  The explanation "Steny Hoyer and other Democrats would like to see the rule of law undermined" is still one step too far for me.

But it is obvious that they don't particularly care about the rule of law, and in any case are in Congress for the wrong reasons.


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Capitulation (0.00 / 0)
I've come to the conclusion that Democrats aren't capitulating on this at all; they actually want this legislation.  But I couldn't figure out why.

Last night on KO someone mentioned that Democrats were made aware of all (or at least, many) the illegal activities after 9/11.  They may be protecting their own butts as much as anything.

My only other guess is telcom money.  I guess the two theories aren't mutually exclusive.

Anyway, lets keep the pressure on.  We've thought we've lost before, only to force issue at the last minute.  Perhaps we can pull that off again.


Hoyer needs to be primaried (0.00 / 0)
there are no two ways about it.

Steny Hoyer is probably the biggest problem we have in the Democratic leadership. He is constantly undermining us and our ideals.

We need to find the most credible candidate and send Steny packing. Period.

If all else fails. Isaac Smith for Congress.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power


No more donations (0.00 / 0)
My wife and I are done with donations.  When they call I tell them why and this capitulation is pretty much it.  I am wondering if the Naderites were as wrong as I thought, maybe the country is just not broken enough.

do we know what the bill number is? (0.00 / 0)
 I want to know exactly who voted in favor.

Not just Pelosi and Hoyer.

Everyone.

I want to let every democratic congressperson who sold me out that they will never receive another dime from me.

furthermore i want to let them know that every time one of them sees a primary opponent, i will donate money to their opponent.  and, if viable, i will donate my effort to their opponent.

a price must be paid.  the democrats who voted to screw us over must be punished.  there is no other way.  this is absolutely beyond the pale wrong.  this is a betrayal.  this is 105 democrats telling us that we don't matter, that the people have no reason to expect their rights to be guarded by the congress.  this is 105 democrats voting to tell us the constitution is now irrelevant.

a price must be paid.

who voted yea?


Here's the roll call (4.00 / 1)
Roll Call 437  Only 128 Dems (and just one Republican) voted against.

As for Naderites and "not broken enough": the fundamental flaw with that logic is thinking that making the country broken will change people to become progressives.  It ignores the fact that at least 40% (bare minimum) of the people will vote Republican or the equivalent no matter what; lots of them genuinely support this kind of crap.  Hell, even after the last 8 years, 29% still support Bush and ~47% would vote for McCain.  And most of the remaining 50-60% who aren't in lockstep with the right don't care enough to be outraged about things like telecom immunity.

Lots of people are talking about giving up on the Democrats, with good reason.  But while this kind of crap makes me made beyond belief, it's important to keep some perspective.  People said in 2000 that Gore was a corporatist and no different from Bush, and look what happened.  They forget about how bad it can get, and what kind of effect it has worldwide as well as in the US.  I hate this kind of core betrayal, but it needs to be fixed by throwing the bastards out in the primaries, not giving up on the system.  Virtually every third party and their candidates manages to distinguish themselves by, remarkably, being even worse than the Dems and Repubs.


Tin Foil Time (0.00 / 0)
Here's the thing: What was the greatest danger in unrestricted use of surveillance by the administration?  They could use that against political opponents in order to force them to capitulate by getting blackmail material.  It was only a matter of time before that happened, given the capacity.

What if that line has already been crossed?


Nancy Boyda (0.00 / 0)
Now starring in the off-Broadway hit, "Talk is Cheap!"

[Actually, I don't really blame her. When given the chance to vote on a good bill, she did so. This is 100% on Hoyer for not giving her a good bill to vote on. This is Steny's work.]


Bill Foster still had enough (4.00 / 1)
guts to vote against it.

Boyda doesn't get off that easy.

Bill Foster seemed likely to go bush doggy, and instead he's turning into a bit of a DFH.


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You're right (0.00 / 0)
although he did vote for the war funding. Cazayoux and Childers are useless, Bush Dogs to the core.

Boyda is still wrong, but she telegraphed this move. Had she been given a better bill -- sans immunity -- she may have voted for it (and she deserves the benefit of the doubt). But she wasn't given that chance because Steny Hoyer wanted to protect her from all those Kansans clamoring for a different standard of justice for large, powerful corporations that make billions from government business.  


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