The Progressive and Conservative Narratives

by: Mike Lux

Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 18:00


I generally think Chris Bowers' analyses are spot-on accurate, but there have been a couple of things lately I need to quibble with.  One is his dismissal of the possibility of Scott Kleeb winning in Nebraska.  I disagree with that strongly, and will do a post as to why sometime very soon.  The other is his post on Obama's first general election ad, which is the topic of this piece.  

I will start by admitting that I might well have been confused by some of his fundamental points, but rather than just ask him privately about what he meant, I thought it would be worthwhile to go ahead and have an open debate here on OpenLeft.  So Chris, if I'm misinterpreting your arguments, feel free to push back at me.

What I found troubling was that many of the phrases Chris referenced as conservative frames were in my view very appealing phrases that have been hijacked by conservatives.  Here are the phrases Chris listed as "conservative frame" phrases:  

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• Strong values
• Values straight from the Kansas heartland
• Self-reliance
• Working hard without making excuses
• Moving people from welfare to work
• Cut taxes for working families

Chris uses all these examples of conservative frames, and then in his follow-up paragraph also complains about "lots of emphasis on values and country."  He argues that with this mix of conservative and progressive frames, that the ad is "too muddled" to be effective.  

Alright, so maybe it's because I'm from the heartland, but I am very mystified and, yes, troubled by this argument.  Like some of Chris' commenters, I don't get how many of these phrases are seen as conservative frames.  I've had strong values my entire life, as has Chris and most other progressive people I know.  I believe in being as self-reliant as I can be, and I don't see how being in favor of that goes against helping your neighbors or community spirit that progressives have always supported.  And I don't know why "values straight from the Kansas heartland" is a conservative frame.  Is it just because Kansas is currently a conservative state?  Having heartland values is meant to symbolize solidity, familiarity, and stability, not ideology, in this context, and I didn't get how that is conservative framing.

On the other phrases Chris cites, his case is stronger but I still don't buy it.  For one thing, I think his selectiveness about highlighting certain words without giving them their context doesn't make sense. I don't think there is anything unprogressive about moving people from welfare to work, because the poor people that I have worked with as a community and labor organizer wanted desperately to get off of welfare and into a job.  I know that there are those that disagree with this, but I see nothing wrong with advocating cutting taxes for the poor and working-class families, who pay an absurdly higher percentage of their income in taxes than wealthier folks.  Working hard without making excuses is Obama's version of Clinton's great 1992 working class appeal to "folks who work hard and play by the rules," and that's not a conservative frame, just a political appeal to working class voters who are getting screwed economically but are still proud of what they do.

Are these really conservative frames, or just language about Obama's life and values that reflect the more conservative swing voters he's playing this ad for in these swing states with huge numbers of blue-collar voters? To me, it's the latter.  I think a conservative frame is one that accepts conservative language on issues: calling the estate tax the death tax, calling anti-choice ideologies pro-life, promising to give much-needed tax relief.  Like most politicians, like even most progressive activists, Obama from time to time does drift into the powerful conservative framing that's been so dominant in our culture, but I don' think he's done that in this ad.  He's presenting himself as a solid, steady guy who knows the language and values of Middle America, and since that's mostly who he is speaking to in this ad, I think that's a good thing.

I think this is an important debate to be having, because I fear that progressives too often steer away from language appealing to working-class swing voters just because they associate that language with conservatives.  Just because right-wingers use words and phrases like faith, family, values, hard work, self-reliance, country and patriotism doesn't mean we shouldn't be proudly using them as well.  That's not using their framing; it's using words that rightly belong more to us than to them.

One reason I feel so strongly about this is that the message research that Drew Westen and I have been working on is pretty clear: you can win people over when you are talking about controversial progressive issues, even when talking to relatively moderate to conservative voters, if you make them comfortable with the language you use, if you make it clear that you share their values and aren't talking down to them.  That doesn't mean speaking in conservative frames, but it does mean using the kind of values-oriented language Obama uses in this ad.  And, yes, you do also have to convince them that you aren't the effete, elite stereotype of a liberal they are used to seeing portrayed in Republican ads and on Fox News.

This conversation all goes back to the issues discussed in my post about white working-class voters.  We have to get some of them to build a long-term progressive majority, or to win this Presidential election.  And we can win them.  But we have to speak their language.  


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Agree and disagree (4.00 / 3)
And let me try to find the common ground between you and Chris.

I too was struck by what Chris called a conservative frame. But i don't think he is completely wrong - the point of "frames" is that they evoke particular world views and ideologies. I don't think he's wrong that, right now, "heartland" and "self-reliant" evoke conservative frames.

But that, to me, seems to be more of a reason for a congressional candidate to avoid such words than for Barack Obama. The grand scale of the modern presidential campaign - and Obama's in particular - offer an opportunity to reframe, to take those words and associate them with new ideas simply through a tremendous and consistent media message and a compelling personality.

Obama, for me, has always had this gift. Ever since i read his his Knox college commencement address, i felt he had a gift for reframing a progressive idea - in the case of that speech, the reality that America has not always lived up to our standards for our country - not the way conservatives would view it (liberals hate america if they ever criticize it!) but in an entirely progressive way: here, the notion that American greatness stems from the fact that every time we failed we regrouped and rose together.

In short... I'm okay with Obama using these frames - because if he is as successful as i hope, he will have claimed them as progressive.


Spot on Mike (0.00 / 0)
I'm also looking forward to the Kleeb post. Kleeb has a very good shot. We can't rely on polls alone. If we did then Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic nominee.  

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Values Talk Is Key (4.00 / 6)
Somehow, no matter how many times George Lakoff says this people tend not to hear, but talk about values is the key to everything.

Which is why the conservative pretense that they have a monopoly on values is one of the central lies of our age--and one most in need of challenging and destroying.

I am very glad you wrote this, Mike, because we all need to get much clearer on these issues.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Agree heartily, Mike (4.00 / 8)
As one of those commenters who questioned why "strong values" counts as a conservative frame, I think you really get the point here, and really get to the heart of why non-creative class, coastal, intellectual voters feel talked down to by creative class, coastal, intellectual activists.

By associating "strong values" as a conservative frame and avoiding values talk altogether, too many Dems don;t make a moral case for their policies and sound like they have no values.  That is off-putting to the target audience here.

Moreover, it plays into the "What's the matter With Kansas?" mentality that these heartland folks are in fact rubes who are too stupid to see where their (economic) self-interest lies when, in fact, the policies may never have been pitched to them, or just not properly. And this makes the message and messenger come off as condescending.

Of course sometimes its us reacting to the conservative framing that makes us seem to be without vlaues, but as Tim Kaine (and Obama) have shown, the way to show you have values is to talk about them frankly and pitch your positions as grounded in those values.  Kaine did this with his opposition to capital punishment, and people accepted it as part of a coherent philosophy that was based in his religion.  Religion of course doesn't have to be the basis, but having some abiding values that give rise to polcies (like the belief that all people deserve to be treated with dignity and be given ample opportunities) goes a long way.

Nixon's great legacy was to make the Party that did so much for working people seem to be elitist and uncaring about their lives.  We have to undo that, but do so by example.


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I could not agree more with your post (0.00 / 0)
and with Mike on this one.

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The members of our coalition. (0.00 / 0)
Are from many walks of life, many traditions and many families. All of them work hard or would like to. Slaving away at WalMart, selling sometimes poisonous, shabby products  made in "Walmart's Factories in China"(TM) doesn't lend itself to great dreams of advancement, cooperative feelings of community building, health care or even a living wage. But many jobs do have that, I'd love to make bourbon in small stills, love to work in a small print house making books of be hired by the Mozilla Foundation to help secure everyone's personal computer.

But pride of working is deep in people, as it should be. Not working makes you plain crazy.

Mike Lux is right on the money when he says playing by the rules what the damn country is all about, playing by the rules is what monopolies don't do, playing by the rules is what racists don't do, playing by the rules is what we want when we're talking about Kyoto, the Geneva Conventions and the International Court of Justice. And paying a living wage is playing by the rules, just because the laws are so damn screwed up we can't afford what we had in the fifties, so screwed up no one can see a doctor, just because the laws "allow" you to treat your employees like serfs doesnt mean you are playing by the rules. Obama better be planning on making the laws follow more closing to fair play or this 'generational change' towards Democrats will only last until spring break.

See the Republicans have been lying for decades about their policies, it was Reagan that created a deficit larger than all previous Presidents combined, it was Nixon who tried to steal democracy at the Watergate, it is the "Democracy Spreading" Republicans who use massive voter suppression tactics and electronic voting machines voting backwards. I don't need to point out the lies of "I'm a compassionate conservative." "I will only go to war as a last resort" "We have to keep our spending in line with our income" Bush do I?

Just as 'telling the truth is a revolutionary act in times of total deceit' so is playing by the rules a revolutionary act when corruption and coercive corporations waddle and strut about the land. If the FISA Bill today tells us anything, just restoring our civil rights will be a job of tremendous courage and commitment.

And yeah, cutting taxes for working families is a terrific idea. In the fifties most of the money raised by the federal government came from sources other than income tax on lower and middle income families. Lets return to American values and tax the companies that are swimming in cash, like Exxon and Chevron and (fill in the blank). Lets restructure the tax code so the people working at Walmart don't pay taxes till they can afford healthcare.

Here's a rule to play by: you can import and export but you have to manufacture the same net value as you sell. Sell a thousand cars? Make a thousand. You can import one and export the other if you like, but lets put a job behind every radio.

There is a left / right split and Obama has won that fight, now he is fighting the insider / outsider battle. The system in America is screwed up, some are making a killing off the way it works and some are just not, not making it all, the outsiders. Republicans painted the Democrats as insiders for a long time, and too many Democrats (and not many, most were working incredibly hard extending voting rights, healthcare to children etc.etc.) were playing the insiders game, hoping to change things, or just coasting or whatever, and weren't fighting back. Katrina was a watershed, because it proved America wasn't doing squat, and didn't plan on doing squat for outsiders,"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this" Barbara Bush chuckled at the Astrodome, "is working very well for them." This the point at which America knew the Republican Contract was not WITH America, it was ON America.

The outsiders want in, no special benefits, just a fair shake and a fair share. They are members of our coalition.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


Forest and Trees (0.00 / 0)
Is it not really simpler than both you and Chris make it out to be?

This is a biographical intro ad that simply tries to introduce Obama as an American people can relate to (in one way or another). The ad counters the smear e-mails and answers the "Who is he?" question that so many low information voters have.

When Chris and others here, the highest of high-information, citizens look at this, they sometimes over-analyze.

The ad is innocuous to a fault. And that's the point.  

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Yay! (0.00 / 0)
I'm glad you made this post, Mike. I was thinking the exact same thing when I read Chris' entry.

I can understand why using such frames (in today's political world) would be unwise in a congressional election or even a senate election. However Obama is running for president, and I feel it will be very useful to turn "American values" into progressive values (they already are, of course, but most people don't see that).

Kudos, Mike.


Kansas (4.00 / 1)
I'm surprised at the general agreement on this.  The problem with the phrase 'values straight from the Kansas Heartland' is that it suggests that the values of folks from Kansas are more American than the values of folks from say New York (too Jewish?) or California (too gay?) or Detroit (black/) or the Southwest (Latino?).  Yes, Kansas; it's what American really means.  

The issue is the target audience. (0.00 / 0)
Look at where the commercial is going to play.  He's saying that he shares their values, he's not some scary urban black dude.  And because of how and by whom he was raised and how his values have evolved, that is true.  It is one of his strengths and why he is revered in the midwest.  He is playing to that strength here.  He's not saying that other people's values aren't American too, in fact he says that in most of his speeches.  Stressing our commonality rather than slice-and-dice pitches is another of his strengths.

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Or (4.00 / 2)
It signals that Obama doesn't think that the values of folks from Kansas are less American than the values of folks from New York, California, Detroit, or the Southwest, as some people seem to think liberals believe.  

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i'm glad that you are on it Lux. (0.00 / 0)
I personally, I feel that the Noriega race and the Kleeb race are the two that we in the netroots can really have the most impact on in pulling a Webb/Tester style victory together.

Kleeb is a badass and needs more recognition for it.


It's rare that Chris misses, but it's gotta happen once in a while... :) (0.00 / 0)
This stuff makes me want to mass order "Don't Think of an Elephant" and just leave copies lying around on the subway.  Reclaiming the language (and meaning) of "values" is fundamental to what was, for me, a political awakening post-2000 that sparked and has since driven my career as a sustainability consultant.  

Most of the successes I've seen in this young and vital field have come from "creative-class" / "post-partisan" / "identity-fluid" Millenial types who have learned to re-frame 'loggers vs. owls', 'nature vs. culture', 'individual rights vs. collective responsibility', and similar tired political models into something progressive.  

I thought I'd transcribe my and several other comments from the thread in Chris' post, addressing in particular his choice to highlight the words "strong values" themselves at the beginning:

"strong values" itself in bold?  (4.00 / 4)
I dunno about calling "strong values" in the first sentence a "conservative frame" in and of itself - isn't that  what we're trying to change?

As an informed voter, and a committed progressive, I do look for a politician to use the language of "values" to describe their approach to governance and leadership - because I want us to reclaim that language from Republicans that have tarnished it.  It's not just Red State voters listening for that word... not anymore!
by: Syrith @ Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 13:42

*I agree--we have "strong values" (4.00 / 7)
I think there's a little too much parsing in this analysis.  "Strong values" isn't a progressive theme?  What, we are all opportunists with no principles or values?  Time to retire that idea.  And "self-reliance"--time to take that one over too.  Here's Obama being applauded for not taking public funds, but relying on his abilities and his donor network.  And "tax cuts" in isolation?  When it's right next to "for working families"?  I think that's all one phrase.  Ok, Lakoff wants us to use "tax reform" or something like that, but this will be heard by the audience he is aiming at.  Look at where it's running.  Not on the Pacific Coast or in NY or New England.  And it's an introductory ad in a variety of places, some of which he campaigned in but many he didn't.  I'm not upset.
by: Mimikatz @ Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 13:55

*I agree. (0.00 / 0)
Chris Bowers and I don't agree on which side owns which frame... But I believe the ad is weak not because of the "muddy" mixture of left and right frames, but simply because of the overwhelming number of them.  

If you're hearing the ad on television without the benefit of a transcript to follow, very little of it will sink in, and even less will be retained.  This is a case where less would have been more.
by: osterizer @ Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 14:46

*I don't think it's about sinking in.... (4.00 / 4)
it's about warm fuzzy feelings. Humanizing him and showing that he isn't some weird foreigner... It's just a narrative ad. It's not meant to lay out any policy specifics. So it's fine for that.
by: adamterando @ Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 15:01

*Agreed, and glad you brought it up (0.00 / 0)
If I understand Chris correctly, he's implying discussions of values inherently follow conservative framings.  Like the others in this thread, I don't see it that way... Framings based on values can be trans-partisan, and I think Obama's is here.
by: JonPincus @ Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 16:04

*Agreed (0.00 / 0)
Since when did progressives cede "values" to conservatives? I think children born today should get the best education possible, I think they should be guarenteed insurance so they can get preventative health care, I think they should grow up to see the natural wonders available to us today, I think they should be free of a government that seeks to control them through fear, and I think all of those things are core American values.

Also, since when is the "heartland" conservative? Some of the most powerful populist and progressive movements this country has seen were born in the heartland by activist farmers... The only thing that screamed "conservative" to me was "welfare to work." Other than that, spot on bio spot.
by: Zephyr @ Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 19:26


Next Time, Please Use Blockquote! (0.00 / 0)
This is hard to read for those accustomed to reading blogs online.  Blockquoting is customer to distinguish quoted material.

You can do it individually, or to all the material collectively, but, please, make it easier on the eyes.

Here's how:

(1) Highlight the material to quote.

(2) Click on the button below the text box that says "Quote".

Too simple, you think?

Yeah, there's gotta be a catch.  You wake up in room surrounded by clay tablets.

And you're all out of water.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Blockquotes! (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, there's gotta be a catch.  You wake up in room surrounded by clay tablets.

And you're all out of water.

You got it, Paul - believe it or not, I never tried that before.


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Great post ... (4.00 / 1)
And excellent comments by all as well ...


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