The Role Of Progressives In An Obama Administration

by: Mike Lux

Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 19:00


Jason Rosenbaum has an interesting take on the Obama accountability question we've been discussing here the last couple of days. He argues that we should do all we can to elect Obama, but then be ready to take him on aggressively as soon as he is elected. I think Jason's position is well argued, but I thought I would throw out a somewhat different perspective, based in part on my experience in the Clinton campaign, transition, and White House. It's not that I disagree with Jason, but just wanted to add more to the discussion.

I want two things out of an Obama Presidency:

-That it produces big progressive changes

-That it is a success

I think those two things are pretty closely linked, because our country's problems right now are huge enough that we need big, bold progressive things to happen to really change them. I also think that voters are in a bad enough mood that if Obama and the Democrats in Congress don't deliver big and important things that actually help in people's daily lives, they will get kicked out of office at the first available opportunity.

Now you may be asking: who do I care so much about whether Obama is successful or not? Lots of reasons, many of which might be obvious. Democrats are far more likely to keep Congress if he is; if he has 8 years rather than 4, he's a lot more likely to get some good things done; I would deeply hate for the first black President to be bad at the job, it would make electing another one that much tougher.

So given that I want Obama to succeed, does that give me pause about Jason's plan to be tough on Obama starting the day after he's elected? Well, not really, but I do think the progressive movement needs to have a sophisticated, multi-level strategy. I think progressives should, and very likely will, break into 3 types of players during an Obama administration.

1. Going on the inside. I hope that the Obama team can be convinced to place as many genuine progressives in government jobs as possible.
2. Friendly outsiders who are pushing them toward progressivism. These are the progressive organization people, bloggers, donors, and other activists who stay on the outside, and are generally friendly to, and supportive of the Obama team, who still gently push them to pick the progressive path as much as possible.
3. Outsiders who bang away. Those organization people, bloggers, donors, and other activists who decide their best role is to aggressively bang away, who work day in and day out to hold Obama accountable.

I believe we are best served when we have lots of people in all 3 of these categories. A movement does not succeed without having all 3 kinds of people in place, each playing their part. The progressive things that did happen during the Clinton years came as a direct result of each of these 3 kinds of people playing a big role.

The key is that the folks in all these categories need to forge a constructive working relationship with each other. There will definitely be tensions between the three at times, but if they can respect each other in their different roles, good things will happen.

The lesson of history is that big progressive change has come when a President open to change and a movement driving it worked together. That happened in the 1860s, the early 1900s, the 1930s, and the 1960s. But in each of those cases, the eventually progressive President ran a cautious, centrist campaign, was very nervous about making the big changes needed, and had to be pushed into doing the right thing by a combination of progressive insiders and outsiders. I hope that a decade from now, we'll be able to say that the Obama administration, helped by an effective, aggressive progressive movement, was able to deliver major progressive change for the American people.  

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100% behind Mike on this (4.00 / 10)
I tried to say this earlier but less eloquently.  There are different, necessary roles, and people should do what they are fitted to do by temperament and resources.  But understand that we need all of the folks Mike describes, though, and don't trash people who aren't doing what you are doing.  The idea that we need a working relationship is important.  The problems really are immense and the stakes are very, very high, especially for those who need gov't on their side to survive.  That thought is what keeps me supporting the Dems even when I get discouraged.  

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

Agreed. (4.00 / 1)
Working relationship is key to this, a smarter, more complex version of Reagen's "thou shall not criticize a Republican."

One we're democrats and we're not just here for the money we can steal or give to client companies like Haliburton and Blackwater. We have real problems we are solving for principles that mean something, like saving the planet and raising wages and universal healthcare, oh and not killing people because they are the same color brown as someone we think was responsible for a horror.

Two we care about outcome not just our team, or our ego or our career.

Its the effective way to work, and that would make your parents proud.

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The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky


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Fantastic post Mike (4.00 / 1)
I'll probably be something between two and three but what is clear is that we can't stop our work once the election is over. I think that's something that happened in 2006. Everyone thought "Wow, we did it" and then expected that Bush and Cheney would be impeached, the war would end and everything would be perfect. Unfortunately we've learned that's not the case.

Elections are just one tiny part of the fight for social change, they are very important but they are not the only part.

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Great post. I think this is the best lens to view the current intraparty "Obama accountability" discussion/dispute through. (4.00 / 1)
One of the points I take away from this post is that we should be straight up about where we stand. I clearly stand at #2 (I donate to the campaign and receive e-mails but I don't volunteer or think I have any more influence with them than anyone else). I don't mind to briefly criticize Obama during the campaign for doing things I disagree with (FISA was a HUGE disappointment, one which doesn't even make sense to me from a pragmatic political point of view), and I don't think these statements of disagreement are harmful to his chances whatsoever. I even e-mailed the campaign telling them how disappointed I was (hopefully they noticed I was on the donors list).

But I don't certainly consider it helpful to endlessly drone on about how Obama has let us all down and proven how much of a fraud he truly is. Many of these recent attacks seem to be more aimed at Obama supporter than at Obama himself (the kool-aid drinkers and "finally we can move on to an honest discussion" come to mind), which seems even more counterproductive.

Many Democratic/progressive bloggers and commenters, on this site and others, have seemed to harbor an irrational resentment of Obama, Obama's supporter, or the fact that Obama has been so successful within the party. And not only Clinton supporters, lot of these bloggers were originally Edwards supporters. I've continually noticed, what seemed to me at the time,  many small shreds of resentment aimed at Obama seeping out of the cracks of many front page posts. Sometimes the alleged resentment seemed to be aimed toward his supporters instead of himself. It was almost as if these were people who belonged in Mike's #3 category but were posing as if they were in the #2 category. I don't mean this aimed at anyone in particular as I've seen it from a number of different posters on a number of different sites.

I've tried really hard to put my finger on just why this is and where its coming from but I've come up blank. Maybe I'm just crazy, but if anybody else thinks they noticed the same thing over these last couple months, maybe they could shed some light on it. I had previously written it off to them being mad that Obama managed to co-opt the activist/liberal base and thereby in these people's mind "stole" voters who should have been for Edwards. But I keep seeing this resentment even after the election is over and now I'm just not sure where it is coming from.


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I Don't Think Either FDR or Johnson Were Timid (4.00 / 3)
In fact, I don't think either of them had a timid bone in their bodies.  TR, neither if it comes to that--though he was a ball of energetic contradictions.  JFK was timid, while talking a great game, and is, I've long argued, the best analogy for Obama.

Yes, these figures needed to be pushed--but the FDR story is only get more famous again, about telling a group of activists, "Okay, you've convinced me, now go out and force me to do it."  That's not timidity, it's knowing the need for countervailing power.

Obama's different.  And I wouldn't even say it's timidity.  But he takes cheap pot shots at us.  And I honestly can't say even to this day whether it's out of fear that he'll be attacked if he doesn't attack us, or if he genuinely despises us.  But either way, it's a characteristic that even Kennedy didn't have.

For one thing, MLK was seriously kicking butt.  And that's precisely what we need to do.  I don't have a roadmap for how to do it, but I do know that it's what's needed.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Interesting that FDR and JFK were both physically weak (4.00 / 2)
FDR as a result of polio, and JFK from Addison's Disease and chronic back problems.  All of that New Frontier touch football and all was a way to mask JFK's problems, which required a lot of drugs and medical care to allieviate.

Neither FDR nor JFK was particularly good on civil liberties, either.

LBJ, if you believe Rick Perlstein's book, was a bully, but also was extremely vulnerable psychologically, at least to Nixon, and always needed an operation or some procedure when the going got tough.  

But yes, we need to pressure.  Having worked 24 years in government, I can say that FDR is exactly right in your quote.  But one can't be both an insider and an outsider, or a no-compromiser and a winner.  One has to choose a role.

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LBJ Was A Man In A Hurry (4.00 / 1)
His father had died in his 50s, and LBJ was certain he didn't have long, either.  Although several of our Presidents have come from humble beginnings, LBJ was the only one who carried the sting of poverty--not his own, but that he saw around him--into the White House. And he did so in no small part because he came of age during the New Deal.  He saw his mission as completing the unfinished business of the New Deal.  And for all his perceived crudity, it was he who estabished the National Endowment for the Humanities and the National Endowment for the Arts, seeing these as a crucial part of the Great Society.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Note that he didn't start the attacking (0.00 / 0)
Indeed he was quite civil on his first post on dailykos.  However he just got a whole bunch of rude personal attacks.

And thats still mostly all he gets from that group.

What do you expect?  Him to be some weak and timid person who just takes it and still praises that group?

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What rude .. personal attacks? .. (0.00 / 0)
or were they attacks on his position? .. Broderism doesn't go over well anywhere on the left blogosphere .. do you have examples of the so-called personal attacks?

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I'll go for something fairly recent (0.00 / 0)
http://www.openleft.com/showDi...

Here is a post not even focusing on obama but the desire to mention "obama's FISA betrayal" is apparently warranted.  

However Obama's response on FISA was entirely predictable and expected from his voting record and he made no promise to do differently.

Insulting lies like that are repeated over and over again in an attempt to make obama look dishonest and disreputable.  The only goal I can see is to unethically attack his character.

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Except that Obama promised .. (0.00 / 0)
to filibuster immunity .. and did he really think it would go over well with his base .. to give cover to Commander Codpiece?

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Wrong (0.00 / 0)
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk...

There is a specific clarification saying that he did not promise that.

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FDR (0.00 / 0)
He certainly wasn't timid, but his 1932 campaign rheotic was quite cautious, and he certainly wasn't consistently progressive in his policies.

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Yes, His Campaign Was Cautious (4.00 / 1)
The election was his to lose, and he'd already had a very good test run as NY governor.

So he played it safe, and probably lost a couple of states he could have won. (See 1936 for comparison.)

But playing it safe in his campaign was not a signal about how he would govern, and his 100 days proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

And, of course, the presidency did not have the power that it has today.  FDR was one of the main reasons why the presidency is so much more powerful than when he first took office.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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What always seems to get left out of these diaries (4.00 / 1)
and the resulting comments is the "how."  Especially the "how" for outsiders and average Joe and Jane bloggers like us who have no political contacts.

Well, you could make political contacts (4.00 / 2)
Start volunteering for your local representative or state senator or city councilman or county commissioner if any or all of them are democrats. If not, then volunteer for your local precinct committee chair. If your precinct is unorganized, then organize your precinct and become that precinct chair.

Especially on the local level, it's very easy to start to get to know people that control the levers of power...especially when they need people to work the phones and walk the neighborhoods. It takes some time, but it really just depends on how much effort one wants to devote to political organizing and volunteering.


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Yes, let's discuss how this will work. (0.00 / 0)
For insiders and outsiders.

John McCain thinks we haven't spent enough time in Iraq

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Issue groups are one way (0.00 / 0)
Issue groups are much maligned in these parts, for example in "Crashing the Gate", for being "bipartisan" (endorsing the occasional GOPer who is good in their issue, often against an equally good Dem) and for being too-heavy with leaders who want to be "players", usually by excessively compromising, and not providing real inviolvement for grassroots groups.

There are some groups who don't fit this description, for example ACLU, which takes very principled stands on civil liberties and related issues, has a very professional (and diverse) staff, and has affiliates and local chapters that interact on local and national issues.  They have real activist networks.  There are always local groups that work on local environmental issues.  These activist groups appeear at administrative hearings and submit comments on proposed regulations, for example, a very important and often ignored part of the process.

There are all kinds of new, broader groups emerging as well, for example coalitions of religious folks around global warming and poverty issues, and the coalition working to reform farm/food policy.

And just look at the new MyBarackObama networking group that is forming to pressure Obama on FISA.  There are lots of new possibilities here.

Finally, any group of citizens (better in a group) can arrange a visit at least with the staff of a congressmember to discuss issues of concern, and faxing letters on particular issues is sometimes effective as well.  At some point they do start to pay attention.

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Congress is the key (0.00 / 0)
With all the talk of pressuring Obama to be more progressive than he is naturally inclined, I fear that he will simply triangulate against progressive protests to chart a middle-of-the-road do-nothing consensus politics, and this country will have missed its greatest opportunity since 1932 to update its public institutions.

I would say Congress is key, and getting the right people into Congress, and in charge of Congress, and getting the wrong people out of Congress.  Even if it meant allowing a Republican in, I believe the netroots should very seriously try to take out Hoyer.  Greenwald's recent ads are a good start.  Taking out Hoyer might be a wake-up call to Pelosi.

In the Senate, I think Clinton as Senate Majority Leader could be the force that puts some progressive fire in a cautious President Obama.  


Hope is not a plan of action (4.00 / 1)
Mike's post is indeed eloquent.  What is missing, however, is any analysis of our actual present situation.  Unity Ponies for everyone is not really a solution to our problems with Obama and the party leadership.  The present disillusionment with Obama by some liberals and former Edwards supporters (such as myself) is of a piece with a theme which I think has been running through the internal politics of the Democratic Party since the 2006 election. It is simply this: Many  Democrats (myself included) are becoming increasingly alienated from our party's leadership.   I can't explain why but I do agree that some of that resentment and alienation seems to be crystallizing around Obama.  I feel that his camp's new mantra of: "Get over it.  You have no where else to go" accounts for much of that reaction.

The Democrats won control of the Congress by promising to end the war and hold the Bush administration accountable for the terrible things it has done in our name.  Instead, the Congressional leadership not only continued to cravenly enable the Bush administration but it did so in a way which made us complicit in those crimes.  It is not true that the grass roots of the party stopped working to get our policies enacted.  Many of us kept phoning, writing and giving money.  None of which made any difference. Instead, we were told by our leaders that we were foolish to think we were actually going to get those things which they'd promised.  It was an early preview of what  we are currently getting from the Obama camp.  It was simple.  They didn't have to honor their promises because we could all agree that things would be worse if the Republicans got back into control.  So we should enjoy the crumbs and table scraps they occasionally toss us because, in essence, we have nowhere else to go.  

Its going to be the same with Obama.  He's going to make great speeches. He's going to set lofty goals.  But he's going to deliver nothing.  Why should he?  Let's be honest here.  In the left blogosphere nobody has helped drive support for Obama more than the kool-aid drinkers at Daily Kos and Huff Post. MoveOn is holding bake sales for the guy.  So, now we have a showdown on an issue of importance of the left blogosphere.  FISA and telcom immunity has consistently been seen as a vital issue, second only to ending the Iraq war.   There are countless posts attesting to the importance of that issue on both of those sites and MoveOn has lobbied hard to defeat the telecom bill----yet, now, when the chips are down on this important issue, Obama basically tells them all to go screw. What does that tell you about your prospects for "working from the inside" to get things done?

And what is Mike's plan?  To support Obama and hope for the best.  Maybe he'll throw us a bone sometimes.  Mike needs to get in touch with reality and address the original questions:  (1) What pressure can we bring to bear right now to get firm commitments on important issues and, more importantly, to defeat the telecom bill on July 8th? (2) What can we do differently to apply pressure to Obama and to the Congressional leadership before the Democratic Party takes ownership of the Iraq war, probably in July of '09?

Basically, what I'm asking is this:  What is the best response for liberals when we are told "get over it.  You have no where else to go"?  


Much more than that (0.00 / 0)
Mike is proposing constant involvement, at whatever level, professional, amateur, activist, insider, outsider or whatever, a person wants to commit to.  At the lcoal, state,, or national level.  That's how it is done.  Obama doesn't control the left half of the world.  He has the power people cede to him.

The thing is, there are tens of thousands of people on the otehr sides working against what we believe in, and the only thing we can do is to try to counter their pressure with pressure of our own.  FISA is one issue, one very important issue.  But there are millions of people in this country who will suffer very real harm, some even die, without a Dem President and a decently Dem Congress.  I am involved in poltiics because I care about those people, about the future, about particular issues.  I want to help alleviate suffering in the world, not exacerbate it, as the GOP does.  I'm not involved to win or feel good or have my ideas validated.  It is a long, hard, constant  struggle.  Accept that and join in..

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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I agree, and what's more... (0.00 / 0)
This approach is a lot more flexible than the all-or-nothing electoral pressures. We can hand Obama some real legislative defeats if we have to and not sabotage his entire presidency or make him lose an election.

My full response is over at http://www.theseminal.com/2008...


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