Iowa Caucus Report: Iowa Populists and Hillary's Lobbyists

by: Mike Lux

Thu Aug 09, 2007 at 15:00


Ever since the YearlyKos forum where Hillary Clinton defended taking money from D.C. lobbyists, OpenLeft.com and many other blogs have been full of commentary about that statement. Where the statement could hurt her the most is in my old home state of Iowa.

Iowans, especially Iowa Democrats, tend to be natural-born populists. Iowa's Democratic Senator Tom Harkin is a quintessential populist hell-raiser. Their two new congressmen and new governor are all oriented toward a populist message and policies. Iowa's caucus history is full of outsiders, reformers, and populists doing surprisingly well:

-In 1972, the first time the Iowa caucuses played a role, George McGovern's Midwestern populism helped him do surprisingly well in Iowa.

-In 1976, outside reformer Jimmy Carter beat a bunch of better-known, better funded D.C. establishment Democrats to score a shocking victory.

-In 1984, Mondale- even though he was clearly an insider- ran a classic labor-oriented Midwestern populist-style campaign to win Iowa, and Gary Hart ran an outsider, reform-the-system race to surge to a surprising second.

-In 1988, Gephardt won by running a strongly populist anti-free trade campaign to win, and a fellow Midwesterner with an outsider, clean-up-government message, Paul Simon came in a close second. (Distinctly non-populist technocrat Mike Dukakis finished 3rd, but then won New Hampshire and used his money edge to sweep the table everywhere else.)

-In 2004, Edwards' small-town, son-of-a-millworker, two Americas message allowed him to surge dramatically at the end of the race, and come within an eyelash of beating Kerry for first.

Obviously, the pattern doesn't hold 100% of the time- Dean was a hell of a lot more of an outsider than Kerry, for example- but there is certainly a strong tendency toward outsider, reformer and hell-raiser candidates in Iowa.

I've already written, and told my friends inside Hillary's campaign, that I think the lobbyist answer is a big problem for Clinton in general but especially in Iowa. I don't think that substantively there is any difference between a registered D.C. lobbyist for a corporation giving and raising money for you than the CEO or a major shareholder of the same company doing so for you, so I think the distinction that Edwards and Obama raise is more than a little phony. But I think politically, Clinton has put herself in a corner here and needs to be very clear that she is not defending the status quo and the establishment.

The thing is, the Hillary Clinton I know from my White House days has a strong populist streak in her. I'll never forget how pissed she was the morning the Harry and Louise ads started running, how her first instinct was to go and hammer the insurance companies for doing it, or how much she advocated for policies in internal debates that would help working-class folks.

For her sake, I hope she gets back to that sense of populist outrage. She has some advisers around her, such as Mark Penn, who recoil at anything the least bit populist or anti-establishment in nature because they are so happily entrenched in the D.C. establishment. But I don't believe she can win in Iowa without making it clear that she is more on the side of the regular folks than she is of the big dogs in D.C. And as front-loaded as the calendar is, if she loses in Iowa, the road to the nomination becomes very challenging.

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Weird Post (4.00 / 1)
Instead of rooting for Hillary to get in touch with her deeply repressed inner populist, maybe you ought to root for an actual populist, like Edwards.

Inner populist? (0.00 / 0)
I hope she does have an inner populist, but it sure stays hidden away from the popul. And dramatic as the inner conflict may be, are populist leanings worth anything when she habitually takes her cues from DLC defenders of the staus quo?

I do have this fantasy that she gets elected, takes off the mask, and reveals this radical new being composed of the best of FDR, LBJ, and Huey Long, but I won't be voting on that basis.


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I want all the candidates (0.00 / 0)
to be progressive populists, especially the ones who are most likely to be the nominee.

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My point (4.00 / 2)
was that you should stop hoping that Clinton becomes something she clearly isn't and start working to support candidates who are what you want Clinton to be, like Edwards and (arguably) Obama.

One of the reasons that Clinton is favored to be the nominee is that progressives like you are sitting on the fence rather than getting behind a progressive candidate.


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I'm having a hard time deciding (0.00 / 0)
how much of an issue this is, and I'm ignorant of the specifics.

So I'm wondering about this: "I don't think that substantively there is any difference between a registered D.C. lobbyist for a corporation giving and raising money for you than the CEO or a major shareholder of the same company doing so for you."

Then if I'm a CEO, what value does a registered D.C. lobbyist bring me? If the real, primary, value is something other than the money, why not just say, 'sure I won't take lobbyist money.' Because the optics of this are (obviously) bad, and anyway the most important value-add of lobbyists (including for 'real Americans') isn't money.

And also: can't I as a CEO basically double (then treble, and quadruple, etc., so long as I hire enough lobbyists) my maximum contribution, by giving money directly to a candidate, and also hiring a lobbyist who then contributes? Or are there safeguards against that?


Hillary's response at the KOS convention (4.00 / 1)
I am from Minnesota, but currently live in the DC area.

Her response which made her basically defending lobbyist's will hurt her in IA.

I agree with Mike this establishes in many peoples minds that she is part of the establishment. That is not popular in the mid-west.


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CEOs and lobbyists (0.00 / 0)
CEOs hire people who are good at certain things. Their IT people are good at computer stuff. Their human resources people are good at busting unions. Their PR people are good at manipulating reporters and public opinion. And their DC lobbyist knows the players on capitol hill and how to insert language into approps bills.
If the CEO gets them all to max out to a candidate, it makes the company a player with that candidate.
No, there are no safeguards against your last question. 

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But IT workers aren't (0.00 / 0)
tasked with directing campaign contributions in such a way that the CEO can then manipulate public policy. Even if they _do_ this, in their spare time, it's not their job. This is slightly different,  no? Taking money from a lobbyist is acknowledging that money pays for policy, and with that acknowledgment comes the expectation of results.

Do you think that refusing lobbyist money is somehow _harmful_ to governance? Or neutral? Or helpful? If it's helpful, even only slightly, why not support it?


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Refusing lobbyist money (0.00 / 0)
I'm glad Obama and Edwards are refusing lobbyist money, and wish Clinton and all the candidates would do the same, it's a good step in the right direction. I just don't think there's much difference in terms of corporate influence if the lobbyist or CEO gets all the company execs (except the lobbyist, whose money is being turned down) to max out to the candidate.

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The Kerry exception (0.00 / 0)
I don't know that the Kerry/Dean example will apply this time. Kerry won because of the idiotic "winnability" factor. The hated Bush was still riding fairly high and would be formidable to kick out of office.

This time the Dems have much more reason for optimism, so they should feel freer to vote for the candidate who best reflects their own instincts. If there is indeed such a strong populist streak in Iowa, that should translate to Edwards running away with it.

I don't think Clinton's lobbyist moment would have any special significance by itself. Its power lies in the way it symbolizes the widespread unease about Clinton's true instincts.


another way to look at it (0.00 / 0)
"If Hillary loses Iowa the nomination becomes challenging." However, if Hillary wins Iowa then its over. I don't think Obama can survive, if he were to lose to Hillary in Iowa.

Winning IA (0.00 / 0)
My theory is that whoever wins IA probably wins the nomination, with the possible exception of Edwards because he is weaker in NH, and is already a known quantity so may not get as much momentum. But that is probably the subject of another longer post.

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I think Hillary could ride out second place in IA (0.00 / 0)
especially if she made it close.

If Hillary wins Iowa, it's over. If someone else wins Iowa, it's a jolt for Hillary, but it's only a major jolt if she is well behind the winner.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.


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Iowa and the National Front runner (0.00 / 0)
Mike, do you think that Sen. Clinton's leads in both state and national polls could end up working against her, in terms of Iowa voters? From what I've read, Iowa takes its role in choosing a candidate very seriously, and very much resents being "told" by insiders/pundits/chattering class who they should vote for. I believe this might have had some role in Iowa's rejection of Howard Dean, but I would appreciate a Hawkeye's opinion on this.

Yes (0.00 / 0)
I don't think that her leading the national polls all by itself matters too much, because Iowans just don't give much of a damn one way or another about national polls. But any overall attitude of being a frontrunner, or that she's "owed" the nomination would hurt her badly. And Iowans certainly don't mind surprising people.
One of the reasons I think she has such a tough time if she loses IA after leading in all the national polls, though, is that it will heighten the giant-killer status in the national media's reaction. 

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Health Care (0.00 / 0)
What I found so astounding about Clinton's remark was if she doesn't believe Lobbyists carry an undue influence, to what exactly does she chalk up her failure at Health Care reform.  We all know she loves to talk about her scars and I always thought I knew who put them there but apparently she disagrees.  Why does she think she failed miserably at accomplishing what was one of her husband's biggest campaign promises?

Yep (0.00 / 0)
I didn't get that either.

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this is one point other candidates need to make (0.00 / 0)
The implosion of the Republican field has made the "electability" argument against Hillary much less salient.

Other candidates are going to have to make the case against her, and this certainly needs to be part of that case.

Hillary Clinton, who claims to have learned something from her failure in 1994, is now the leading Democratic recipient of corporate lobbyist money, especially money from the health care and pharmaceutical industry.

Too many voters assume that Hillary would actually deliver universal health care. They need to be educated about her total lack of a plan and the strong probability that she will not attempt anything that goes against the interests of the industries funding her campaign.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.


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Hillary May Be Smarter Than We Realize (0.00 / 0)
By refusing to acknowledge the Health Insurance lobby killed her healthcare proposal in '94, a proposal that was pro-HMO to start with, Hillary's '08 campaign may be following one of the oldest political axioms:

"If you can't take their money, eat their food, drink their booze and vote against them the next day, you don't belong in politics."

So what if Hillary takes the money of HMOs this cycle? If deep in her soul she's a populist when it comes to health care, it doesn't matter what Mark Penn says or how much HMO money she takes.

With over 45 million Americans without health insurance and growing, the social contract between business and labor much worse than what it was 13 years ago, and big business wanting relief from the burdens of health care costs, HRC may be the only person capable of bringing about health care reform.

If Nixon can go to China, maybe Hillary can bring about a health care reform package that makes HMOs cry but saves what's left of American business, and makes the rest of America cheer.


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Define populist (0.00 / 0)
By any definition, neither of the Clintons qualify. Can you spell NATFA? Outrage doesn't qualify as a definition. What else ya got?

I don't think Hillary's really running in Iowa (0.00 / 0)
She's putting up a token campaign, letting the cards fall, and then going after South Carolina and New Hampshire, and banking on her national poll leads, poll leads in those states, and her large cash on hand totals.  I can't say it's a bad strategy in the position she's in, and it makes a lot more sense than the way that Dean overcommitted in Iowa in 2004.

I disagree (0.00 / 0)
She's putting a ton of resources there, has the former Gov's endorsement, is travelling there constantly. If she loses in IA, it will be a very big deal.

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sadly, you are mistaken (0.00 / 0)
She has assembled a good staff and is working this state hard. I was called by field organizers for her campaign a couple of months ago.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.

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female populism (4.00 / 2)
Clinton is not running as a populist, except in one specific slice of the population - women.  I would like to know more about the rhetoric she is using to appeal to women.

Worth analyzing (4.00 / 1)
Yeah, that would be really fascinating to look at closely. I've seen some of the stuff she's done targeted to women, and it's clearly, far and away, the top priority for her campaign. And they are clearly targeting working class women.

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the other candidates are working on this (0.00 / 0)
Edwards and Obama have gained some prominent women supporters in Iowa, and I expect them to use some of these women heavily as surrogates later in the campaign.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.

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Hillary the Midwesterner (0.00 / 0)
Conventional analysis would suggest that Obama, as the Senator from a neighboring state, would have an edge in Iowa, yet he is polling much better in New Hampshire.  I can't really explain why there is this differential, anyone else have any clue?  It obviously is not the African-American population -- 2.1% in Iowa, 0.7% in NH, 29.4% in SC (and much more in the Dem. primary).

In any case, Hillary's basic Iowa brochure starts "Raised in a middle class family in neighboring Illinois, Hillary Clinton is committed to hard work and the sense of community we midwesterners hold dear."  She is trying to run as the hometown girl in the South, Midwest & Northeast.

If Edwards & Obama split the "populist" vote I believe things look good for Hillary.  If either Edwards or Obama emerges as THE alternative, they could win and probably knock Hillary out.  I don't think she would recover from an Iowa/NH loss.


I've always felt that "neighbor" thing is exaggerated (0.00 / 0)
I don't think Iowans are more drawn to midwesterners than to people from other parts of the country. Gephardt won in 1988 in a splintered field, mainly because of organized labor backing.

I don't see people as more likely to support Obama because he's from Illinois. I certainly don't think people view Hillary as a midwesterner.

I also don't see Obama as getting a lot of "populist" votes. Obama is going to get the votes of people who are tired of partisanship and partisan rhetoric and want a "uniter." He is not campaigning as a populist in the way Edwards is.

Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.


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Obama as midwesterner (0.00 / 0)
Obama is certainly not your classic midwesterner, but more importantly, his message for the most part has not very populist at all, although as Stoller pointed out a while back he's gotten more populist as the campaign as gone on. His message has been much more a "can't we all just get along" than a people vs the powerful message.

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Agreed. (0.00 / 0)
I stated when that came out of her mouth, that was it.  And former Mayor Willie Brown stated, that this could become a virus if she does not address it.  But the campaign has let this languish for over a week.  What is up with that move?  I don't know, I see ads on the horizon for this very issue.  If she is so entrenched in the beltway, that she did not get what happened in 2006?  Then she does not deserve the nod.  In the top three reasons of ousting the Republicans, corruption/scandal was there.  And the MSM missed this one big time.  All due to Jack Abramhoff.  Right now, lobbyist should not be a favorite word for any of these politicians.

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