Michael O'Hanlon Is LIVID!

by: Paul Rosenberg

Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 09:00


The fact that Obama hasn't flip-flopped after all on a timelime for withdrawal from Iraq has someone feeling mighty testy, according to the Washington Post:

Michael E. O'Hanlon, a Democratic defense analyst at the Brookings Institution who has been an outspoken supporter of the war in Iraq, said he could not believe that Obama would put such a definitive timeline into print before a trip to Iraq, where he is to consult with Iraqi leaders and U.S. commanders.

"To say you're going to get out on a certain schedule -- regardless of what the Iraqis do, regardless of what our enemies do, regardless of what is happening on the ground -- is the height of absurdity," said O'Hanlon, who described himself as "livid." "I'm not going to go to the next level of invective and say he shouldn't be president. I'll leave that to someone else."

Robert Farley at Lawyers, Guns and Money chimes in:

Huh. Well, I'm livid too, not least about the fact that Mike O'Hanlon has been critical to the project of keeping my country in a pointless war that will apparently never end. You'd hope that O'Hanlon would at least take into account the fact that the Iraqis seem to be demanding a timeline for US withdrawal; you'd hope, but of course you'd be wrong.

So please, Mike, go fuck yourself. How's that for going to the next level of invective?

Or why not just march over to Iraq, Mike, and punch out al-Maliki for daring to demand a withdrawal timeline?

The Post, again, for the full context of what set O'Hanlon off:

Ahead of today's speech and a planned trip to Iraq, Obama wrote an opinion article in yesterday's New York Times, saying that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's call last week for a withdrawal timetable is an opportunity the United States must embrace.
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"Only by redeploying our troops can we press the Iraqis to reach comprehensive political accommodation and achieve a successful transition to Iraqis' taking responsibility for the security and stability of their country," Obama wrote, pledging that he would stick to his plan to begin the withdrawal of one to two combat brigades per month upon taking office.

In the good old days of the original Versailles, at least they had duels, so that a certain percentage of these insufferable fools killed themselves off as a direct consequence of their own foolishness.

Paul Rosenberg :: Michael O'Hanlon Is LIVID!

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Outside of rhetoric, (0.00 / 0)
are we beginning to see a broad covergence of policy between Bush, McCain, and Obama?

Bush and McCain are going to withdraw troops and claim the surge worked.  Obama will withdraw troops to let the Iraqi government take over.  McCain, Bush, and Obama will increase troops in Afghanistan.

I also was glad about Obama's refusal to repudiate his previous position on withdrawing from Iraq by, essentially, the end of 2010, although I'm still unsure of the size of his residual force.  

The differences seem less and less, though.  Part of that is because Bush and McCain seem willing to begin withdrawing, notwithstanding their rhetoric, and claiming victory.  The Iraquis seem to have made it clear that they want the troops to begin to go.  

I am concerned about the bellicose rhetoric regarding Pakistan.

Overall, Obama is much better, of course, and it's good that Bush/McCain are beginning to leave Iraq.


Not Really (4.00 / 2)
It might look that way at first.  But look mosre closely at the progression of posts from TPM from yesterday, and you'll see that McCain can't even figure out how to converge with his own policy.

Oh, wait... no, he's back in the swimming pool again.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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things go well, we can't leave, things go to shit, we can't leave (4.00 / 2)
are there 150,000 mythical tethers keeping our troops in Iraq?  

The insurgents are waiting us out, yet they kill people daily.  If we leave, people will be slaughtered, yet people in Iraq are killed every day, by bullets, bombs and firey things.

How about this for invective accountability.  Where are the mother fuckers that said this war would only cost Americans a few billions dollars?  It would all be paid for by Iraqii oil revenues?  Oh and Rumsfeld, troops wouldn't be needed for 6 months at most?  We know where the WMDs are?  This war is not about oil?  Removing Saddam would SAVE Iraqi lives?  Removing Saddam would be taking the bully off the block and fix all, oops, hello Iran(two times the charm)?
Where are those spectaculary wrong, insanely stupid mother fucker's now?

And of course the trap retoric of all trap retoric, we broke it and we can't leave now because we'd only have to go back in later.  Seems quite obvious, just get the troops in there because no matter who becomes President getting them out will take a fucking miracle.


Riffing off Greenwald today Paul? (4.00 / 1)
He's in fine form taking down Tom "Aww, Just another 6 months Mom!" Friedman in style.

He uses the word "befuddled" which I think fits O'Hanlon too.  They really don't get it.  They actually do think the "success" of the surge should vindicate the whole mess.  Even if the surge is a success, I'm not ready to let bygones be bygones and call the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands a little spilt milk.


"Befuddled" Is Far Too Kind (4.00 / 3)
O'Hanlan is livid because Obama, unlike Bush, is willing to give Maliki the withdrawl timeline that the Iraqis themselves demand.

Amd there's nothing new about this, except for the finality of the Iraqi "no!" to Bush on SOFA.  The Iraqis have been wanting us out of there for years.

The word you're looking for here re O'Hanlon is "criminally insane."

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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The Iraqi surge is such a stinkin' "success" (0.00 / 0)
That they are planning to use it as a model for Afghanistan.  Hell, by the time we get around to invading Iran, maybe we'll have it down to a science ;)


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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The surge was discussed on Hardball yesterday (4.00 / 1)
I am a fan of Democrats using more sports analogies.  On Hardball yesterday, I think Mark Green had a good description of the surge:

Second, on the surge succeeding.  Baseball reference, the night of the All-Star game-if the Yankees are beating the Red Sox 6-1 in the eighth and the Red Sox score one run, the Red Sox aren't winning.  They're still behind 6-2.  The people who misled us into this calamity are now suggesting it was a success.  That's a rhetorical argument.

It's relatively brief and gets the point across clearly.  Then again, it might remind Paul Rosenberg of that episode of DS9 where Sisko fields a team to play baseball against some Vulcans.

I had fun watching.  How can you not, when Chris Matthews calls out Pat Buchanan for inaccurately comparing McCain/Obama to Ike/Stevenson and ends the segment with "Pat Buchanan, it's always an honor to watch you switch sides between your ideals, your ideology and your partisan responsibilities"?

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


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I Like My Sports Analogies Just Fine (0.00 / 0)
"He was born on third, and thought he kicked a field goal."

--Molly Ivans on Dan Quayle.

And, of course, the recurrent baseball motiff was only one of the many pleasures of DS9.  

But, you make it sound like you actually enjoy Hardball.

This is why America needs change.  Much bigger change than anyone is talking about.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I can't say I'm as well-versed (0.00 / 0)
on Iraq as I should be. However, it would seem that withdrawing American troops would give the Iraqi government some desparately-needed semblance of institutional credibility.

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