McCain--Illegal Candidate For President? Village Won't Let It Be So!

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:00


The more one looks, the less it looks like John McCain is eligible to run for President.  The problem is simple: although born to two US citizens, McCain was not born in the United States, and thus, he's a naturalized citizen, not a birthright citizen.  Plenty of people will say differently, of course.  But McCain's always had a hefty chorus of yea-sayers, no matter what line of garbage he's spewing at the moment.  And this time out, it appears to be pretty much more of the same.

Not to worry, however.  The bottom line of all this brouhaha--carefully kept to the margins, of course--is that McCain's ineligibility to run for President is not the sort of thing that ordinary citizens peons are allowed to challenge.  In legal parlance, they (that is, you and me) lack "standing."  Which is to say, it won't hurt any of us particularly, so we don't get to sue.  Presumably, only someone like Barack Obama would actually have standing to bring suit.

This is yet another example of how a set of laws supposedly applicable to our political ruling class actually has no impact whatsoverer.

What's more, something virtually identical happened back in 2000.  In violation of the 12th Amendment, the GOP ran two Texans on its ticket.  Cheney claimed to have turned himself back into a Wyomingian just in time to make it all legal, but the legal ruling supporting him (in Jones v. Bush) started out by denying standing to the Texas citizens who sued to challenge the charade.

The message here is simple: go away.  There is no law for you.  The law belongs to the King.  Of course, that's not what standing is supposed to do.  But it is how it works in today's increasingly anti-democratic America.

Paul Rosenberg :: McCain--Illegal Candidate For President? Village Won't Let It Be So!
A recent article in the NYT, "A Hint of New Life to a McCain Birth Issue" by Adam Liptak gives us a peak at the current state of play:

In the most detailed examination yet of Senator John McCain's eligibility to be president, a law professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain's birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the president must be a "natural-born citizen."

The analysis, by Prof. Gabriel J. Chin, focused on a 1937 law that has been largely overlooked in the debate over Mr. McCain's eligibility to be president. The law conferred citizenship on children of American parents born in the Canal Zone after 1904, and it made John McCain a citizen just before his first birthday. But the law came too late, Professor Chin argued, to make Mr. McCain a natural-born citizen.

"It's preposterous that a technicality like this can make a difference in an advanced democracy," Professor Chin said. "But this is the constitutional text that we have."

Of course, the Times shifts quickly into denial mode:

Several legal experts said that Professor Chin's analysis was careful and plausible. But they added that nothing was very likely to follow from it.

"No court will get close to it, and everyone else is on board, so there's a constitutional consensus, the merits of arguments such as this one aside," said Peter J. Spiro, an authority on the law of citizenship at Temple University.

Ah, yes!  A "constitutional consensus".  Nothing to see here, folks.  Move along now.  Don't disturb your betters.

Mr. McCain has dismissed any suggestion that he does not meet the citizenship test.

In April, the Senate approved a nonbinding resolution declaring that Mr. McCain is eligible to be president. Its sponsors said the nation's founders would have never intended to deny the presidency to the offspring of military personnel stationed out of the country.

Of course, we're talking John McCain here.  Not Yasser Esam Hamdi, or Jose Padilla, or Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri.  Those losers?  John McCain gets law. They don't even get a second thought.  You don't get a second thouhgt.

What?  You think you're going to get a Congressional resolution saying, "Joe Blow can be President"????

This is just another way in which the political class takes care of its own, a way in which all the Versailles Democrats are on the same side as the Republicans, and diametrically opposed to you and me.

Just one more little fact to keep in mind the next time they try to appeal to you for... whatever.


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Actually, you're incorrect (4.00 / 2)
Running two Texans is on one ticket is unwise but not illegal. All the 12th Amendment does is say that the electors from state X must vote for a President or a Vice-President from state "not X".

So what was really illegal was the Texas electors voting for Bush and Cheney. They should have voted for a non-Texas resident for one of those positions.

For instance they could have voted for Bush and Lieberman...

I can't decide if that would have been more horrifying...


Wikipedia (0.00 / 0)
Wikipedia says that the law was retospective so John McCain is a citizen from birth.  The Constitution is, shall we say, behind the times.  McCain's father was in the Navy and his son could lose the right to run for President if he had been born on another base in a foreign country (say Guantanamo).  Otoh, Bruce Lee, the martial arts movie star, was born in the U.S. but raised in Hong Kong. He is clearly a natural born citizen.

Oddly, Wikipedia cites three candidates whose birth status was questionable, all Republicans: Barry Goldwater (1964 GOP nominee), George Romney (1968 candidate born in Mexico and father of Mitt), and John McCain.  Goldwater was born in the territory of Arizona which became a state a bit later.  George Romney is, in my mind, the iffy one.

What little background there is on this quotes a letter from one of the Founding Fathers that the Constitution (then being written) should prevent foreigners from beconing Commander in Chief of the military.  Only the natural born (undefined) should be elkigible to become President.  I don't think military children shoulfd be at a disadvantage here.  However, reasonable minds may differ and the law can havwe little to do with reason.


Supposedly, Chester A. Arthur was Canadian (0.00 / 0)
and had a forged birth certificate saying he was from Vermont.  I have no idea whether this is actually true, but it's an interesting rumor, at least.

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Technically (0.00 / 0)
What makes a natural born citizen is defined by congress.  For example, according to US law now, McCain would be eligible without question 35 years from now if he was born today.  But I guess its the law when you were born that is the governing issue.  There have been investigations into Obama supposedly as well.

Despite my dislike for McCain, I think this argument is one of the STUPIDEST things I have ever heard, and a waste of time and energy.  If you are born to one or two US citizens, you should be considered a natural US citizen from birth... case closed.  THat means you should enjoy all the rights of natural born citizens including constitutional eligibility.  I would say THAT was the intent of the founding fathers.  


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?seriously... (0.00 / 0)
um - is this a progressive plank or just a nail in your intellectual coffin?

why on earth would you waste your time thinking about this issue wrt mccain and this election.

...too much time?


Not the point (4.00 / 1)
I'll admit that sometimes Paul lets the trees block the view of the forest; that comes from writing academic papers.   But the forest, here, is "standing", who the law actually works for and power distribution in this country. Paul explains this well:

Not to worry, however.  The bottom line of all this brouhaha--carefully kept to the margins, of course--is that McCain's ineligibility to run for President is not the sort of thing that ordinary citizens peons are allowed to challenge.  In legal parlance, they (that is, you and me) lack "standing."  Which is to say, it won't hurt any of us particularly, so we don't get to sue.  Presumably, only someone like Barack Obama would actually have standing to bring suit.

This is yet another example of how a set of laws supposedly applicable to our political ruling class actually has no impact whatsoverer.

Something similar with more direct consequence happened when an ordinary citizen tried to sue over illegal spying:

A federal appeals court threw out a ruling that the government's warrant-free spy program was unconstitutional Friday, finding that the ACLU's plaintiffs had no standing to bring suit against the National Security Agency program since they couldn't prove they were spied upon.

Remember that wonderful chicken and egg problem?  It should be if something is illegal and/or unconstitutional anyone could challenge it.  But that is not the case.

Note this is also why the passed a law several years ago in San Francisco to issue gay marriage certificates.  It was that law that led to the law suites opened the way for gay marriage in California.


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The problem is... (0.00 / 0)
Paul's point is great... but he sometimes has a real problem making it however.  There are MUCH better ways to make this argument and MUCH better examples.  

Paraphrasing one of my favorite quotes... If there's a point, please feel free to come to it.


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Living Constitution? (0.00 / 0)
If this is the bar you're going to use for Constitutional interpretation, you're going to have to overturn not only the Warren Court but the New Deal Court as well.  

The "Law" has ALWAYS belonged to "the King." (0.00 / 0)
All crime is political, at least in its original configuration, in it's codification qua-"crime."

Laws are written to circumscribe the amount of insolence  which the law-makers and their ilk will tolerate from their inferiors...


McCain should be allowed to be president if elected. (0.00 / 0)
He shouldn't be allowed to be elected.  But that's a different story. (:

The thing is that McCain was born in a US possession.  Regardless of the strict interpretation of the Constitution, which is, frankly, kinda stupid (and there should be an amendment to clarify or fix that provision, in my opinion), John McCain was not born in Panama.  He was born in the US-controlled Canal Zone.  Not only that, but aren't you automatically a citizen if both of your parents are?  Or shouldn't you be?  I'm no constitutional scholar (and neither is McCain, for that matter, but Obama, elitistly, is, and therefore he can't connect to regular people), but it seems as though McCain's case is fairly strong in this regard.  He was not naturalized as a citizen; he was, I presume, a national (I don't know if this status existed in 1936) who was made a citizen by a retroactive law passed by Congress.  He is certainly not an immigrant, which is what the Constitution is against, in this case (not for good reason, I think, but I can see the arguments).

It's important to mention that George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, et al. were born in Great Britain but were apparently Constitutionally eligible.  Given that the Canal Zone was significantly more American in 1936 than the Colonies were in 1732 or whenever Washington was born, I don't see any good reason to bar McCain from the Presidency on this basis.

He SHOULD be barred, however, on account of having fewer votes than his opponents.


Due to a poorly written law... (0.00 / 0)
children born in the canal zone weren't granted birthright citizenship until McCain was a year old. He was not a US citizen on the day he was born. It's a question over the term "natural born". Congress granted him citizenship due to his birth circumstances, but does that make him a "natural born" citizen?

I think it would be a travesty of justice to disallow McCain because his father was serving overseas when he was born.

I do think a substantial post on the US standing law would be insightful. I hate how the government or large companies can break the law with impunity unless someone is specifically harmed and interested in pursuing a lawsuit.  


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What, exactly, are you complaining about? (0.00 / 0)
Are you really saying you don't believe there should be any requirements for standing? The whole purpose of the judiciary is to provide a forum to protect and redress citizens who have been wronged by another, whether it is another citizen or a government body. Every single person cannot go to court and demand that they resolve every single issue. Many things have to be left to the democratic process. The courts are, in general, for the vindication of individual rights. Matters of general policy are left to the democratic process. There are exceptions to this, but usually those exceptions are expressly carved out by the legislature itself.

The Supreme Court WILL NOT rule on McCain's eligibility. EVEN IF the problem of standing were overcome - e.g. if Obama himself sued - I would literally bet my life savings that the Court would regard this issue as falling squarely within the so-called Political Question Doctrine. I.e a non-justiciable issue that is simply not within the jurisdiction of the Court. Which is as it should be.

How can you regard complain about elitism and then insist that the Court be willing to overturn the votes of American citizens? This is essentially what the Court did in Bush v. Gore, and that decision is rightly viewed as a travesty. If the nation elects John McCain - which would entail that a majority of our citizens regard him as eligible for the presidency - then the Court has no business stepping in and reversing that decision, just as they had no business stepping in and declaring a winner in 2000.  


Obama... (4.00 / 1)
Obama's not that stupid.  Suing on this would be political suicide.

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Just as if... (0.00 / 0)
America elects the Guvernator (Schwarzenegger) to be the Last Presidential Zero. (I hated that movie, really) Why challenge the right of the people to vote for ANYONE for president of the United States of America, right?  

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Wow (0.00 / 0)
I guess we've identified part of the problem ... apparently ignoring the Constitution is a bipartisan plan. Regardless of how "fair" it is, this issue seems pretty straight-forward. If people don't like this aspect of the Constitution, there's a built-in mechanism to modify it, and Mr. McCain and friends should pursue that course of action.

Ignoring the rules of the game, or taking themselves as beyond the reach of the rules, is exactly how Mr. Bush and his friends have managed to destroy what was left of a once-fine democracy.


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