How a 'Liberal' Becomes a Lieberman

by: Matt Stoller

Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 19:08


I had a meeting with a senior leader in the environmental movement about a year ago, and we discussed among other things Democratic Senate prospects for 2008.  He was really excited about Mark Udall, the Boulder liberal running for Senate in Colorado, who had excellent ratings on the various checklists used by the environmental groups.  I expressed skepticism, because I remembered his flip-flop on Iraq.  Udall, in 2002, voted against the war, but in 2007, he voted for a blank check bill funding the war to prepare for his role as a 'moderate' candidate running for Senate in Colorado.  After I criticized him, Udall wrote this Op-Ed in the Denver Post explaining his vote, lashing out at antiwar critics who would immorally withhold equipment and medical supplies from American troops.  He has subsequently done a number of things, both good and bad, but most significantly voting to cave on FISA, using a smarmy and dishonest rationale about telecom companies still being subjected to criminal prosecution.

I've always been clear about my criteria being the  bar fight primary.  Loyalty to principles when it is hard, and not when you are looking at a checklist of largely meaningless procedural and easily gamed votes, is how I judge people in politics.  And I think lots of new progressives, most of us reading this site, get that.  Disagreements are important, but loyalty on core principles is paramount.

Matt Stoller :: How a 'Liberal' Becomes a Lieberman
Maybe you think that this has nothing to do with the environmental movement, just the war and civil liberties.  But you'd be wrong.  When a candidate doesn't feel enough heat for taking advantage of his supporters, he learns that taking advantage of his supporters is a politically profitable thing to do.  Udall, for instance, is listed as one of the top prospects on the Give Green LCV fund, due to his 99% lifetime score on the LCV scorecard and his opponent's 5% score.  And he may be a good bet, considering that it's better to have a conservative Democrat in the Senate than a Republican.

But it's worth noting that Mark Udall, one of the 'strongest' environmental advocates from his perch as a Congressman from Denver, just reversed his stance on offshore drilling to become a staunch supporter of the oil industry.  Just look at this rhetoric.

But both Udall and his staff emphasized that the nation's energy crisis called for a sweeping rethinking of possible solutions - and that the country could no longer afford to keep much of anything off the table.

I'm going to guess that a 'sweeping rethinking' of his pro-environment philosophy is not a good thing for the organizational goals of the environmental groups that have supported him.  And in fact, Udall embraced the Gang of 10 proposal spearheaded by Ken Salazar, which includes egregious liquid coal subsidies.

Udall's endorsement risks alienating some of his strongest allies among the environmental movement, many of whom have poured money into this campaign and who this week criticized not just the offshore drilling component of the compromise but also heavy new subsidies for controversial liquid-coal projects it contains.

If the environmental 'movement' were serious about their objectives, they would cut off his funding and get really ugly about how Udall betrayed them.  They would have to deal with a barrage of calls from powerful people like Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid, but on the other hand, they would make a clear statement about people who cross red lines.

"For us, it's really easy to say the Group of 10's proposal is a bad proposal and it should not be the starting point for any legislation," said Tony Massaro, vice president of the League of Conservation Voters, although he added that there was no litmus test for the group's support of any candidate, including offshore drilling.

And Mark Udall and Democrats heard Massaro loud and clear.  


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Well, Obama embraced that (0.00 / 0)
compromise also.

You're right, of course, Matt.  Dems often take progressive money, campaign as centrists, and govern as centrists.  They figure we have nowhere to go, and often they are right.  

A third party that was viable would be a threat to hold them, but none appears likely and that often undercuts our aims.

Electing progressives who really believe in our issues is a good start.

Jeff Merkley.  Darcy Burner.  


I would feel more confident (4.00 / 1)
when progressives actually win elections.

Sure some do, Russ Feingold for example, but Feingold has his problems, he did vote for put Roberts on SCOTUS. Dodd voted for AUMF.

I can't really think of one good progressive elected in a swing district. I can think of plenty who have run and lost.  


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Sherrod Brown doesn't exactly hail from Rhode Island, either (4.00 / 1)


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Brown (4.00 / 1)
is a good example, thanks.

I remember, I didn't really think he was electable statewide and he got 56%.

How do we repeat that across the board? How do we get the voters who voted for Brown to vote for Obama...looking at polls, looks as it none all are.  


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People in the rust belt are PISSED about trade (4.00 / 3)
That issue can really be a game changer--when politicians really push the way that the rich are profiting from moving jobs abroad, people nod their heads.  And if we punt it, the nativists in the republican party will take advantage of it.  It is a really dangerous thing to not push.  

There are other things that could be taken advantage of, but the trade issue is one issue where we could elect some real, solid progressives, at least from MI, IL, MO, OH, WI, IA and MN.  The rural areas in these states might be a bit socially conservative, but there are definite inroads to be made with trade (especially considering that many of these states still have relatively strong Union movements).


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speaking of which, (4.00 / 7)
is Cindy McCain's vote on the Anheuser-Busch buyout public information?  Because that would be one hell of an ad to run in St. Louis ahead of the election.  It ties all this together, and ties that to McCain.  

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Even if it isn't (4.00 / 1)
Wouldn't it be a good question to ask?

Greg Sargent! We need you!


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Did she have a chance to vote? (0.00 / 0)
She doesn't sit on the A-B board, according to its web site.

I definitely don't know the details, but isn't it the case that she's involved with a large A-B distributorship in AZ?


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And she owns a ton of A-B stock (0.00 / 0)
I was more wondering if a general stockholders vote was held.

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You don't need to sit on the board .. (0.00 / 0)
to own a ton of stock

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Except Brown voted for MCA .. (0.00 / 0)
when he was still in the House(and while he was gearing up his Senate run) .. what did Brown do on FISA recently?

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Fair enough (4.00 / 2)
but if we replaced all of our Reids, Salazars and Ben Nelsons with Browns and Harkins, we'd be sitting very pretty by now.  

I thought Brown voted against the FISA bill.  I might be remembering wrong, though.


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But with your first example... (0.00 / 0)
of Tom Harkin, keep in mind he also voted for the Iraq War.

I think the only person who hasn't disappointed is Bernie Sanders, and he's technically not a Democrat.

But then, this is why a good friend of mine who's lived abroad for a while, and considers himself part of the Green Party (because of the Dems' spinelessness and reactionary stances on some issues), keeps telling me that America is at heart a conservative country, notwithstanding all the analysis Bowers has done in trying to disprove that notion.  Take Sarkozy, for instance.  Put him in the U.S., and he'd be considered on the far left.  And yet he's the conservative in France?


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I live in Italy (0.00 / 0)
and even though I've already been here a couple of months and this is probably one of the more right wing European countries, compared to here, America is not only conservative, it's extremely fascist.

If a real progressive like the type promoted around here ever gets elected President of the United States in it's current form, I'll eat my shoe.


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Thanks (4.00 / 1)
Harkin is definitely a good example. He's been in office forever though, since back when the country wasn't as polarized as it is today and he's always had to fight for reelection. I was really thinking of someone new elected in the Bush era.

But yeah, if Tom Harkins can get elected in districts as swingy as Iowa, I'd feel more confident in our ability to change the country.  


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on most issues (4.00 / 2)
Byron Dorgan is pretty progressive (let's just forget about energy for a second).

But yes, Sherrod is still the best example. He had a favorable environment. But he also had a winning message and he was unabashedly progressive. People knew he would fight for them and it wasn't an act. He got people to forget about all the wedge issues and realize that the republicans really don't give a damn about you unless you're rich. If you're in the middle class or below, screw you. And he articulated that in a very good way, using both positive and negative messages. And it worked beautifully.

Yes, he had a favorable environment, but remember that only one other Democrat beat an incumbent republican for a federal race that year (Zach Space), and Strickland would have won against anybody, but he didn't have to go against a formerly popular 'moderate' incumbent.

Sherrod's message was spot on.


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So the question then becomes... (4.00 / 2)

 ...why hasn't the Democratic Party replicated that very successful Sherrod Brown model elsewhere?

 Meanwhile, they replicate the election-losing DLC model everywhere they can.

 Howard Dean's impact in this area has been nonexistent.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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howard dean (4.00 / 1)
never was the greatest at messaging or articulating an overarching ideological narrative. He was a pretty middle of the road Democrat in Vermont. So yes, that is a failure on his part. He's been great at tactics though and strategy as it relates to building the party.

I guess in order to get the Democratic Party to replicate that model we'll have to elect more people like Sherrod Brown so that they eventually are in charge of the party.

That's the problem with people like Feingold and even Bernie Sanders. They're great progressives, but they're not much for leadership roles. Sure Feingold has his progressive patriots PAC, but wouldn't it be more helpful at this point if he were in charge of policy for the Democratic Caucus? Or in charge of recruitment at the DSCC?

And Bernie, god love him, but you'd really be doing everyone so much more good if you had just privately called yourself a socialist and publicly declared yourself a Democrat long ago.

So, I guess it's just a matter of getting better Democrats elected. To be fair, the DSCC has recruited some good progressives to run in senate races. I mean, they did support Sherrod over Hackett in the primary. And in Oregon they're supporting Jeff Merkley (supported him over Novick). And Merkley will be the most progressive and populist senator elected in 2008 if he's elected (Tom Allen will be close). So it's not a total lost cause. We just have more work to do.


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Wasn't Novick .. (0.00 / 0)
every bit as Progressive as Merkley? ..  so that we won either way in Oregon

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yeah I'd say probably so (4.00 / 1)
Although I don't know exactly how he was on labor issues.

But the point is at least the DSCC didn't go out of their way to find some DLC type to run in the primary (unlike IL-06 in 2006).


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Peter Defazio. (0.00 / 0)
  Carol Shea-Porter, John Hall, Steve Kagen...the list goes on.  Some people are still living in 2002.

John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

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Well (0.00 / 0)
Shea-Porter and Kagen lose this year, then my theory is proven right, DeFazio predates the Bush era which is what I'm talking about.

Hall, yes, but Hall's district is a lot more liberal than we think it is. I know, I used to live in New York. He's another one who needs to get reelected.

Having said that, Hall, Shea-Porter, Kagen are all success stories in 2006. I sorta feel like they're exceptions to the rule. We'll see this year. I'm more optimistic now than in 2004, but still not very.

I have a list of candidates I want to see win this year. Candidates who should win.


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Whatever. (0.00 / 0)
   You won't believe your own eyes.  In any case, you are preoccupied by a relatively small number of swing districts.  There are 100 safe, core, urban Democratic districts which have their own two party system: moderate/liberal Democrat and progressive Democrat.  It's important that we install progressive Democrats there.  That's why we should be focusing more on open Democratic seats.  

John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

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Yes (0.00 / 0)
and this is why Lieberman was so offensive, and needed to be primaried.  He'd have been tolerable (probably pretty good, actually) if he was from Kansas or Utah or something, but instead, he was from Connecticut, where his replacement would be someone in the mold of Dodd or Whitehouse.

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Obviously (0.00 / 0)
as was the case in MD-04, where it made complete sense to replace Wynn with Edwards...even IL-3.

But when we start talking about primarying Democrats in places like Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, etc. I start to wonder.

What would've happened if Pat Toomey had beat Arlen Specter in 2004? Senator Hoeffel, that's what. Pennsylvania is not a state for them to try to elect a right-wing nutzo. Look what happened to Santorum.

Having said that, if we really want a progressive government, we need to get progressive Democrats elected in like rural Indiana and Oklahoma and Montana.  


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No we do not. (4.00 / 2)
  The Republicans achieved hard right-wing government while failing miserably in urban districts.  Who was talking about primarying Democrats in the south?  Anyone?  It seems that that argument is only brought up to discredit progressives.  Challengers who attack incumbents from the left almost always defeat the Republican in the general election.

John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

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By winning suburbs (0.00 / 0)
Look at the map, there's a lot more red area than blue. Republicans can live without the cities because they were able to elect hardcore right-wingers almost everywhere else.

If we want to really achieve a majority, we're going to need to win in states and districts that once elected these same hardcore right-wingers. Not all the districts, but certainly some.

and the reason why challengers from the left almost always beat Republicans is because successful challengers from the left usually come from safe Democratic districts. In the swing districts, left wing primary challengers almost always have lost. What the hell happened to Mark Pera? I remember still being around kos back then when they were unquestionably sure he would win and were prepping for the victory. Then he lost...and big and everyone was like "wtf?"


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Pera got smoked .. (0.00 / 0)
I don't know why .. but there is a way to win in Red districts .. economic issues ... that is what .. but asses like Schumer and Emanuel are afraid of that .. the case is there to be made that the Dems are better on the economy .. it just takes the candidates to make it

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Does economic issues REALLY work? (0.00 / 0)
In my campaign experience, they don't because a lot of people will vote against their economic interests because of wedge issues.


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You bet they work (4.00 / 5)
People can afford to vote on wedge issues when times are good, or at least when times appear to be good. When things aren't going good, people begin to pay more attention to the bread and butter issues, it becomes a matter of personal survival. A person on the cusp of losing their home doesn't give a shit about two gay men in Vermont getting married. I question how much the country has ever cared about those issues, the problem for the last 30-years is that those bubbas that were voting guns, gays and god had no reason to hesitate. What were the Democrats offering them?

The Democrats don't have an economic message for the poor and working classes (there really isn't a middle class anymore.) They abhor the drawing of distinctions between the elite and everyone else. The Democratic leadership call this "class warfare", something to be stupidly avoided at all costs. The fact that the Democratic legacy is in so-called "class warfare" is apparently irrelevant. In 2004, at a town hall meeting, John Kerry was asked by a union member what he planned on doing about NAFTA, his frank response was, and I'm paraphrasing "nothing." Why should a working man in a mill town in North Carolina pull the lever for the Democrat?

Harold Ford told a story during his 2006 campaign for Senate that accentuates the chasm between what Democrats sell, and what people want. Ford says he meet a teacher and her mother during a campaign stop, the older woman had lost her job at a plant that relocated to Central America. Ford, in a mode so typical of Democrats today, said because of that human experience he was convinced that CAFTA was bad, but said he probably would have voted for NAFTA, by far the bigger and more destructive trade deal, anyway. Whether anyone wishes to admit it or not, it was NAFTA that cost Democrats control of Congress in 1994. Labor stayed home, Perot independents refused to support Democrats, and the rest is history.

Does anyone remember how the Republicans used paranoia about black helicopters and the UN violating American sovereignty to sell their agenda in certain rural districts? Well the UN has no extra-national sovereignty in the U.S.. But the WTO does. That's not Hofstadter-like right-wing paranoia and jingoism, that's a legal fact, and as far as I can tell, there is no systematic attempt to use an issue like that to Democratic advantage, and the reason is because the Democrats don't have an economic model, or an agenda that is different from the Republican model. If anyone thinks stuff like Family Leave and inadequate minimum wage hikes are enough to draw distinctions between them and us, they have only the past 30-years to disabuse themselves of that notion.  


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I have to disagree (0.00 / 0)
some do.

When I phonebanked for Obama, I had one man who told me he had lost his home, but he was voting for McCain because he couldn't live with a woman or a "black panther" as President.

Another woman said she wouldn't vote Obama in November because he doesn't "deserve it" and that was after telling me a story about how they were living on food stamps because her husband lost his job.

Granted I only heard a few stories, but there were plenty, and I mean plenty, of people who said they won't vote Democrat for the most irrational reasons and while I didn't get into the details of their lives, I have a hard time believe the economy isn't effecting all of them.



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Has Obama ran on economic issues .. (0.00 / 0)
until just recently? .. I mean he's now making it a centerpiece .. but I guess what I am talking about is just another form of class warfare .. but when was the last candidate to make it explicitly about economic issues .. and I mean make it a centerpiece of the campaign? .. was it Clinton(It's the economy, stupid!!)?  I don't know the issues Sherrod Brown concentrated on ... and to further illustrate a point .. Warren Freakin' Buffet advocates for higher taxes on the rich .. when Springsteen was stumping for Kerry four years ago .. he damn well knew his taxes might go up .. but he knew(like the rich portion of the creative class does) ... when you are making millions .. what is an extra couple of hundred thousand ... they knew the debt has to be paid down .. and fiscal sanity restored .. but Clinton is the last time I remember a national candidate ran explicitly on economic issues .. and please correct me if there are others  

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economic issues (0.00 / 0)
Yeah I guess if you just talk about economic issues, it was Clinton. He actually was really gifted when it came to dissecting the horrible Reagan/Bush policies.

As far as the last candidate to run on a truly class-based campaign. That'd be Harry Truman in 1948. Johnson would have if he'd had to in 1964. But he didn't have to be divisive at all since he was destroying Goldwater.


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Yeah .. Goldwater was screwed no matter what ... (0.00 / 0)
Johnson doesn't get much credit because of the Vietnam mess .. but he was kick ass on domestic issues

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Go back a generation (4.00 / 3)
and in many of those red districts and red states were some of the most liberal and progressive politicians in the United States. For years we've heard this nonsense about how progressives cannot win in these areas, this is simply nonsense. At the beginning of the Reagan era, some of the most liberal senators were Frank Church in Idaho, Mike Mansfield and Lee Metcalf in Montana, Frank Moss in Utah, Gale McGee in Wyoming, Gary Hart in Colorado, Joseph Montoya in New Mexico, George McGovern in South Dakota, Mike Gravel in Alaska and Birch Bayh in Indiana. Oklahoma had a senator like Fred Harris and Iowa had Harold Hughes, two men that would be denounced as socialists today. Maurice Udall of Arizona, the "conscience of the House of Representatives" was every bit as liberal as John Conyers.

Go back in many places to the post-Civil War era and you see an almost unbroken chain of progressive politics in the rural west up until the so-called "sage brush rebellion" of the Reagan years. Long before Arizona was represented by the likes of John McCain and Jon Kyl they had one of the most liberal senators to ever step foot on Capitol Hill, Carl Hayden, he represented the state of Arizona for 51-years as either its sole Representative, or one of its Senators. Why was this sort of progressivism once so commonplace in the rural United States (outside of the South at least) for so long, suddenly viewed as a fortress of reactionary politics after the dawn of Reaganism? It never ceased being hospitable to progressivism, it was largely abandoned to conservatives.

Progressive candidates will have only sporadic success in rural districts and states until which time when Democrats are willing to make a concerted effort to elect them, and that's only going to happen after the leadership is purged, and the party takes on a more principled movement type of ideology. Electoral success is not ready-made. It took the Goldwater movement 16-years to get their president, and 30 to get their House and Senate. We can do it in half the time because the progressive positions are the default majority positions on most issues, unlike the right-wing ideology which has never been popular save tax cuts.  


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So how come (0.00 / 0)
when we run good progressive candidates in these parts of the country, they lose?

but when we run moderates, they sometimes win and sometimes lose?


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Who are these progressives you speak of? (4.00 / 3)
I don't know of one progressive that's run in a statewide race in any place I've mentioned since the 1980s, except Brian Schweitzer (won), Jon Tester (won), and Sherrod Brown (won). Even Jim Webb, from my home state, ran as an economic populist and anti-war candidate. Does anyone remember beloved Idaho governor Cecil Andrus? He was a flaming liberal who served as governor of Idaho for 14-years! He retired in 1995, had he run again, he would have been overwhelmingly reelected for a fifth-term, and this was in the middle of the Republican Revolution mind you. Andrus was also Interior Secretary under Carter where he was a big treehugger. According to Democratic narrative, his various -isms, like progressivism, liberalism and environmentalism would supposedly disqualify him from being competitive, let alone, successful, in a place like Idaho.

The ironic thing about so-called "moderate" Democrats is they have no policy accomplishments to point at, but they believe they're more viable. How? Even more absurd is their propensity for embracing unpopular right-wing policies--the war! NAFTA! FISA! Patriot Act! The ridiculousness of the "moderate" narrative is seen come election time. The moderates wouldn't be in office today without the legacy of the liberals to show off--Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights, PBS, Head Start, Clean Water Act, FDIC, FHA, Rural Electrification, TVA, SEC, utilities, media and financial regulation (all since repealed with the help of "moderate" Democrats), Food Stamps, farm supports, on and on. What are the "moderates" getting elected on? Mary Landrieu and John Breaux before her would travel around the state of Louisiana and point at all the things Democrats had given the people of that great state, what they were pointing at were the accomplishments of mostly one man--Huey Long. What policy accomplishments do moderates have? Does Bill Clinton have one positive legacy in terms of policy?

Phil Gramm said it best, I'm paraphrasing-- 'let Democrats pass a national health care system, and the GOP will be a minority party for another 70-years.' Everyone seems to get it but Democrats. The formidable right-wing machine you see today was not created in a single-election cycle, and it wasn't built chasing the prevailing liberal orthodoxy of the day, and it wasn't built running a different kind of Republican in every state. In 1994 and 1996, ultra-conservatives won senate seats in states they had never won in before--Oregon, Washington, Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, how did they do it? They lost a lot of races in what were considered quixotic quests. They primaried liberal Republican, and immensely popular New York senator Jacob Javits three-times before they beat him, then we got Al D'Amato. How'd they do that? Persistence. Vision.  


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Are (0.00 / 0)
Schweitzer, Tester and Webb REALLY all that progressive?

REALLY?

How did Webb and Tester vote on FISA?

How are they on gun control?


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What happened to Santorum (0.00 / 0)
Is that he was elected twice by a state that's "not a state for them to try to elect a right-wing nutzo." Yet there he was for 12 years. I'd be pretty happy to get two terms of a strong progressive in a major swing state even if they're then replaced by a centrist from the opposing party after that.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

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Counterfeit Pragmatism (4.00 / 4)
That's what this kind of capitulation stinks of.  If it's real pragmatism, then something gets accomplished by seeking 'all options.'  But there is absolutely nothing that gets accomplished by caving into a false perception--one that was generated specifically to score political points, not to solve the energy crunch.  It's like saying, "all options are the table to lower gas prices, including sending Newt Gingrich a Christmas tie--and I don't care what the tree hugggers say!  I'm going to send him that tie because, goddamit, I am committed to putting all options on the table."

Stoller for DC Senate! (0.00 / 0)
Well it seemed like a good idea at the time.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

that sort of capitulation (4.00 / 5)
Stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the voting electorate that, surprisingly, Democrats fall into far more than Republicans.  

When you look at the previous few election cycles, one thing you notice fairly quickly is that politicians actually fail to win or lose on the issues.  Largely, elections nowadays are decided upon four criteria:  party ID (voters' happiness with the party's contributions to national governance); ethics (the level of a candidate's corruption); intangibles (biography, personality, ability to articulate ideas or lack thereof, basically a voter's feel for a candidate); and wedge issues (for those single-issue voters out there, such as some evangelicals).

Largely, the issues that a particular candidate  endorses aside from wedge issues or issues that frame aspects of a candidate's character aren't too important provided that the candidate doesn't back something exceptionally controversial.  In past few cycles, Republicans have realized this, hence their campaign ads sans substance, intelligence and targeted towards fear, ad hominem attacks and demagoguery.  '06 Republican losses, for example, stemmed from ethics, the failure of governance by the Bush administration via Iraq and Katrina, and the standard party-in-power economic penalty.  However, from '01 to '06, Republicans were able to push a far-right agenda with relative impunity from the voters even while maintaining their majority, with politicians even in swing states able to maintain relatively conservative voting records.  

Dems though, for whatever reason, don't seem to really have understood this point yet, that their attempts to either be something they are not, or moderate their positions will yield few electoral results, and likely even be used against them by Republican challengers.  Bush Dogs, FISA voters and others seem to be oblivious to the fact that voters today do not seem to notice the nuanced positions they are taking by making these votes.    


Capitulation v. nihilism (0.00 / 0)
I'm pretty cynical about the political process.

But I'd never go so far as to argue that the reason to stick to principle is that the voters don't care about principles.  



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An alternative view (0.00 / 0)
Most voters care about issues, and have at least some basic understanding of the issues.

Usually, about 60% of the electorate identifies as a member of one of the two major parties.  Usually, there is minimal defection from these voters (although there can be serious variations in turnout depending on issues), and they vote on principle.

The remaining minority of voters also includes people who vote on principle, and understand the issues, although they have a shifting set of priorities.  Most of these probably line up fairly early in the process.

In swing districts, the battle ends up being over the final independents - the least engaged voters.  They are particularly receptive to simplistic misrepresentations, character attacks, and wedge issues.  Hence it appears that elections aren't won on the issues, because so much time is spent courting the most fickle portions of the electorate.  But, in fact, issues drive turnout among the base, and also move more educated independents.  


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Udall's choice. (0.00 / 0)
I haven't followed this race, but I did find this:

http://www.rockymountainnews.c...

The Rocky Mountain News looks like it leans conservative, but it appears that Udall was, last month in a dead heat, and that drilling is popular in Colorado.

Polls show support of drilling at 70% in Colorado:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/op...

Perhaps Udall has a strange notion that the way to win an election is to get more votes, and the way to get more votes is to take the most popular position on high-profile issues.  

Good thing that sort of bogus logic doesn't fly in the progressive internet.  That's why it's been so successful.  They draw red lines and tell people not to cross them.  And they argue things like we can afford to be principled about our politics because, fortunately, politics isn't about principles.


Liquid coal isn't actually that bad (0.00 / 0)
As long as you don't build nuclear power plants liquid coal is a good thing.

Why?  Because it raises the price for coal unless you can replace the coal used with renewables or nuclear.

Products are already going back to using real sugar because of the high price of corn and ethanol.  If the price of coal doubled due to liquid coal then a whole lot of wind and solar becomes just that much more cost effective.

That being said I would assume it is the lack of measured criticism.  If you break with progressives on one issue you feel free to break with progressives on every issue because you know progressives are no longer supporting you after that first disagreement.  

Thus Udall decides to disagree on one issue.  Then he finds that he has lost his progressive base and naturally moves to the center as he needs a new base to win the next election.

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Matt you have this completly backwards. (0.00 / 0)
I know you love your role as the ultimate progressive purity troll, but you are demonstrating a basic mis-understanding of how politics works and where Lieberman went astray.

A successful democratic political movement doesn't need to demand ideological purity from its members. The New Deal coalition succeeded because of its ideological flexibility. One can argue that the FDR democrats were too willing to accept southern opposition to integration - they certainly were - but I don't know if the goal of civil rights for African-Americans could have been achieved without the foundations created by the 'New Deal' democrats.

Unity does not require ideological purity. It requires loyalty to the overall movement. There are many different causes represented within the movement. Some people are focused on environmentalism, some focus on pro-choice issues, for others gay rights are most important. We all have our own unique mix of issues which are preeminent. Everyone who champions Progressive causes, needs to be willing to compromise on an overarching agenda for the movement.

We should certainly judge politicians by their adherence to Progressive principles, but we must allow some room for both principled disagreement and practical political consideration.

Politicians from coal producing states are not going to get elected if they call for an end to coal-mining. Auto workers need to be persuaded that higher mileage standards won't cost them their jobs. Environmentalists and animal rights activists may need to accept that wind or solar electrical generation may threaten wildlife and have other negative environmental consequences.

Disparate voices united together make a stronger movement than one which espouses only a single issue, or demands strict adherence to a checklist of ideologies. We must all be willing to compromise in order to move forward together.
The basic goal of the Progressive movement should be to improve the lives of people by making the tools of government work for them.

This seems simple, but there are many contradictions within this statement. Are we focused exclusively on Americans, or are we focused on the millions of the world's poor outside of this country. There will be direct conflicts between the needs of these two groups. How do we reconcile these? We debate. Some progressives will see it one way, and some will take the other approach. Hopefully, some compromise is achieved. This has happened in the real world of the Democratic Party - labor unions, environmentalists, immigration rights activists have all found ways of working together.  

So I don't think we need purity trolls - we do need to expect a high degree of loyalty to the progressive movement and the Democratic Party (which is the political home of the Progressive movement, for all practical purposes). I know that the party doesn't contain the whole of the Progressive movement, but those who work outside of the party are incapable of much influence. The two-party system is firmly ensconced in American political life.

To return to the main point of thei missive - Matt is wrong when he implies that Joe Lieberman's sin is his disagreement with most other progressives on the Iraq War and other foriegn policy issues. Lieberman's sin is attacking fellow Democrats and supporting Republicans. That is inexcusable!

There are too many purity trolls who are eager to condemn any politician who disagrees with them on their issue. It is not wrong to disagree, but these condemnations frequently become histrionic attacks, which have the potential of harming our movement as a whole.

Likewise, it has become far too acceptable for progressives to fail to support their political allies and to give comfort to Republicans. Russ Feingold's praise of John McCain last week is a case in point. He is crossing the same line that Lieberman did, but his disloyalty was overlooked by most progressives because of his perceived ideological purity.

Ideological purity doesn't win elections. Loyalty and unity are what it takes. Feingold did not attack Obama, as Lieberman has, but he did give some aid and comfort to McCain and while he is certainly no Lieberman, his actions were inexplicable and unacceptable.  


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