Obama's Slide Started with the FISA Compromise and NAFTA Reversal

by: Matt Stoller

Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 14:22


Paul Krugman links to this chart from Nate Silver and quotes Silver as follows.

Although Barack Obama remains a slight favorite in this election, his position is more vulnerable than at any point since the primaries concluded, and he no longer appears to have a built-in strength in the electoral college that we had attributed to him before.

From Obama's highpoint on June 19th, there are two turns downward and one flat period.  The first downward tilt is on June 19th, when his ascent turned into a descent, and the second was on July 31st, where his descent accelerated.  During mid to late July, Obama's lead flattened out before taking another downturn.

Matt Stoller :: Obama's Slide Started with the FISA Compromise and NAFTA Reversal
Let's go to the calendar and his first downturn.  Well, he had just won the primary and was on a post-primary bounce, so some slippage was inevitable.  Still, what happened around June 19th?  The campaign introduced Obama with a national ad buy, but what people were paying attention to was Obama's announced support for the FISA compromise.  Two days earlier, he had changed his position on NAFTA.  On June 26, he agreed with the Supreme Court on expanding the death penalty to non-capital offenses and shifted on guns.   This reinforced narrative about his lack of principle led to charges of flip-flopping and the first sustained negative narrative about his candidacy.  

He was able to arrest this slide during mid to late July, which corresponds to his trip to Europe.  It showed up in Gallup's tracking poll; clearly Americans liked a President as leader of the free world, respected by people around the world.  The McCain's whiny responses and xenophobia didn't work.

Unfortunately, Obama not only resumed his slide, but it accelerated around the end of July.  What happened?  I bet you can predict it - McCain's celebrity ad was released on July 31.  The celebrity ad with Paris Hilton and Britney Spears was not the first negative attack by McCain, it was just the first attack that really resonated.  The Georgia-Russia situation, with McCain acting like the President throwing out empty but harsh rhetoric only reinforced the narrative that Obama is a lightweight.

I didn't think it was possible to lose this election for this simple reason.

Obama still has this large structural advantage, so there's no reason to panic (not that panic is ever a good response), and there are two key lessons here that Markos puts in his new book - Obama needs to reinforce his narrative and he needs to define McCain as a villain.  

Obama's vision of the Presidency as a moral leader who can get millions to listen is powerful and persuasive to Americans, just as McCain's vision of the Presidency as warrior-in-chief also resonates strongly.  The lack of response to the Georgia situation, along with bellicosity from neoliberals like Dick Holbrooke (and even Barack Obama himself) only reinforces McCain's narrative.  If the question is who is the better warrior-in-chief, Obama loses.

McCain has so far successfully defined Obama as a lightweight, but this built on the narrative that Obama himself cut against with his capitulation on NAFTA, FISA, guns, and the death penalty.  Obama hurt his own brand, as Larry Lessig noted with his term 'self-swift boating'.  Obama needs to get it back by standing on something powerful, probably energy-related or maybe on national security.  He needs a gas tax holiday type situation, where he stands up to the mob and reinforces his change brand.  

At the same time, he needs to define McCain as the politics of the past.  So far, most of his arguments have basically said that being negative is the politics of the past.  It's not.  People like bitchy gossip, they will always like bitchy gossip.  And being negative is not the same thing as being dishonest.  The politics of the past is what he's doing in Georgia, which is to ratchet up rhetoric and act like a crazy old man who always wants to start wars.  A straight up confrontation that reinforces McCain's rash bellicosity, something Americans understand as very Bush-like, would be very powerful in terms of turning McCain's brand away into something that means crazy and Republican.

What McCain did with his negative campaign was smart - he floated a bunch of commercials until he hit a theme that resonated.  The Obama campaign should try that, experiment a bit with commercials that go at McCain from a few different angles.  Pick up and run with the one that hits, just like McCain did with his follow-on celebrity ads.

Obama's brand is progressive.  When he refuses to run as a progressive, he loses ground.  This should not be a surprise.


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It makes sense (4.00 / 3)
Given that his real weakness is amongst Democratic support rather than with independents. Looki ng at the state level polling his independent as I remember remains good. His problem is that he's turning off his base. I suppose he could see this as a smart gamble due to the nature of this year (that they will come back home regardless of what hte polls say right now).  

Give it Up... (4.00 / 3)
I'd like to see a poll on how many Americans can spell FISA let alone know what it is.

The real truth is the election turned around when McCain gave that wonderful speech in front of the green background.  It was a subliminal message.  You know how much Americans love money!


I'd buy the rights to cartwrightdale's ad (4.00 / 3)
Then cut a 30 second version of it.

Also, maybe an ad combining McCain's $5 million statement with his previous assertion that American workers wouldn't pick lettuce for $50/hour. Or how about bringing out the "nation of whiners" attack again?

I don't think the Obama campaign has done that bad. Their positive Olympic ads were excellent, and their negative ads have showcased McCain = Bush quite a bit.

But yes, they have to hit harder and more surgically, in ways that really rip the bark off of McCain.


Can we start to define McSame negatively NOW?? (4.00 / 4)
Please?

What do we have to do?

Buy everyone in the Obama campaign a copy of Drew Westen's book "Political Brain' and hope to God they read it if not before the Convention, then definitely before Nov 4th??


nothing (4.00 / 2)
There's nothing we can do except volunteer and register voters.

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Does your comment mean that you don't think the Obama campaign will (0.00 / 0)
work to define McSame negatively? Because that could be done in addition to what you suggest

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I doubt it (4.00 / 4)

 The Obama campaign has apparently hit upon the strategy that relentless praise of John McCain is the surefire ticket to victory in November.

 And to draw a line under that they tossed their best anti-McCain surrogate overboard. Fellow named Wes Clark.

  Maybe it'll work this time. There's a first time for everything.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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Why am I laughing when I know what the result will be from what you write? (4.00 / 4)
Cause if I didn't laugh I'd cry.

This isn't panic I'm feeling...it is deja vu


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Ohh and constantly (2.00 / 2)
attack his brand and call it constructive criticism.  The whine that your advice isnt being used.

Thats what you seem to think is most productive.


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Actually i would love to see a post (2.00 / 2)
comparing the number of positive Obama posts on this site versus negative, and the number of negative Obama v. negative McCain.

I bet negative Obama beats them all.  But we have to let you attack him or else.


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As a friend told me (0.00 / 0)
"If the wacko liberal blogs hate him, then he must be good"  

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That must explain why... (4.00 / 3)

 ...he's soaring in the polls so commandingly.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn

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OMG (0.00 / 1)
Obama is 100 points ahead in the polls, it must be because he isnt following Matt Stoller!!!

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Well (0.00 / 0)
it's not because he isn't listening to you guys.

This whole diary is ridiculous and is the biggest non sequiter I've ever seen. There is no polling proof that he's losing the base or losing people who already voted for him. His poll numbers in the most liberal states have not dropped. His poll numbers in Ohio, Missouri, Colorado is where he dropped. These are not areas where "progressive principles" are wildly popular.  


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You consider it a negative post or comment because some here are urging a more aggressive (4.00 / 4)
campaign against McSame by Obama and his campaign????

Wow

I didn't know I was witnessing perfection and a surefire landslide by the Obama campaign considering I've seen pretty much the same campaign tactics on display by democrats in at least 3, 4 or 5 Presidential election cycles in my lifetime all resulting in defeat by Democrats....guess I should just ignore a troubling pattern that I  and others have seen emerge nearly every 4 years that have prompted studies, research papers, books, lectures.

Namely, that in order to win a candidate MUST define his opponent as he wants the public to view his opponent( as unpalatable as POTUS) and limit the laundry list of  programs ads.

We keep ignoring that simple rule.

So, at the risk of occurring your wrath because you consider this a negative post/comment about Obama:one of his most important jobs at this moment is to define McSame negatively.

He hasn't done it yet.

He needs to do it.  


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Don't Think (0.00 / 0)
people are disagreeing with the idea Obama needs to run a more aggressive campaign. He's not...and he did in the primaries. He's reverted to a Clinton-like campaign. He's running a campaign that we tried to avoid by not nominating Clinton.

But the idea that he needs to run to the left is ridiculous. For what? To win votes of people who think he's ALREADY too far to the left?

Really?  


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Not exactly (4.00 / 2)
Obama needs to stick with Democratic principles, that's all.  Have you forgotten what FISA was about?  Being against that bill was not "left," it was the right thing to do.  By caving, Obama is showing himself to be weak.  That's what has cost Dems in the past, and that's what will cost him (and us) in November.  Matt and others are merely trying to prevent him from repeating the mistakes that others have made.  

And I don't think he's running a Clinton-style campaign.  He's running a Kerry-style campaign.  


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No (0.00 / 0)
I never spoke to one undecided voter who even cared about FISA, more or less thought his stance was weak. As a matter of fact, those who cared thought he took a tough stance and did not cave to "the left"

You're looking at this through the eyes of a Democrat. Look at it through the eyes of one who isn't a hardcore member of either party. Most people like some Democratic principles and some Republican principles. Some people are pro-choice, but think we should nuke Iran. Some people are anti-choice but thing Iraq was a mistake. Some people want tax cuts and gay marriage and some people want school prayer and environmental regulations.

Talk to undecided voters and you will see his problem is not FISA or being weak or not standing for Democratic Principles...it's that he's too new and inexperienced and McCain is growing on them.

There's a Q poll out today that shows Obama leading by 5, but his biggest problem with the Georgia crisis. By an overwhelming margin, people prefer McCain on the issue, including 31% of Democrats. Standing strong on FISA would not have helped him there.  


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And (0.00 / 0)
as far as "the right thing to do" It may be so, but some people thinking warrantless wiretapping is "the right thing to do"

70% of Americans thought war with Iraq was "the right thing to do" in 2003.

"The right thing to do" is in the eye of the beholder. What you and I think is the right thing may not be for millions of other people. It might make you feel better that Obama supports "the right thing" in your mind. It probably won't win him an election.  


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Uh, no. (4.00 / 2)
FISA wasn't about my thoughts on "the right thing to do."  It was about the Constitution.  Obama showed zero leadership on the issue when push came to shove.  He could have educated the voters on it so even the undecideds would have been outraged, but he didn't.  Instead he caved out of fear that the big bad Republicans would make a negative ad about him.  

And here's a clue for you: It's about time Obama thought about holding on to Democratic voters.  If he doesn't give them a reason to vote FOR him, they're as likely to stay home as the unmotivated Republicans.  From the beginning, my problem was that the Obama campaign seemed to care more about going after Republicans and Independents than he cared about Democrats.  That didn't bode well for the general, or for his administration because he will have no mandate if he's elected.

Inexperience is evidenced by indecisiveness and lack of message.  If he had the right message, it would overshadow the arguments about his inexperience.  


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Your comment speaks to an important point about Democratic candidates and the really bad advice (4.00 / 1)
they are given as well as what seems to be their personal preferences:

the Democratic standard bearers for too long have allowed and worked to create this blurry image to emerge about what Democrats stand for as well as what and and who the Democratic candidates is.

By contrast the Republicans work like little demons to have and project a sharp image about their guy and what their Party stands for.

This really is about standing for something, recognizing that you cannot please everyone with your stance once you've taken it but that 99 out of a 100 Independent voters will respect you for not trying to have something 2 ways.

It's like throwing a marker down and saying 'I stand there, who will join me?'

Don't say: 'May I join you standing over there?" That's not leadership, - the voter recognizes that this is pandering.

So, know what you value then express in it personal terms and show who you are reflects that which you value.

The flip side is to show the other guy and what he believes in a bad light.

ALL of it - this story arc - must be done.

Ususally, whomever does it best....wins  


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You have put it so well. (0.00 / 0)
I hope others read your comment.  That is exactly what most Democratic politicians don't get.  Voters, especially independents or NPAs, will support someone they don't necessarily agree with on all the issues, but what they won't tolerate is someone who blurs the lines and tries to have it both (or all) ways.

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"Straight Talk" is target rich, yet... (4.00 / 3)
Yea, I'm a broken record, but it's just incredible to me that there isn't a consistent drumbeat taking down the idea that McCain's a "Straight Talker."

McCain say new untrue things every week, yet drives around on the "Straight Talk Express" ... and the Obama campaign just lets that go, let's McCain keep that label...

Unbelievable, inexcusable...  Our theme messaging is sooo bad that sometimes I think we deserve to lose...


Self-refuting Christine O'Donnell is proof monkeys are still evolving into humans


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Is this conventional wisdom? (4.00 / 3)
I'm curious if anyone has heard from friends in the Obama camp (or Democratic insiders) if this narrative has sunk in and become conventional wisdom.

If it has become conventional wisdom that shifting to the middle hurts the Democrat's brand and hurts, rather than helps, election chances, the pain will be worth it.  This needs to become conventional wisdom.


Yes and no (4.00 / 4)

 We need to win this election, this year. This is no time for statements. If Obama loses that's pretty much the end of America as we used to know it.

  That said, it's still early enough for the Obama campaign to turn this around -- and that starts with (a) acknowledging that these shifts to the right have been a horrible mistake, (b) ATTACKING John McCain and playing OFFENSE, and (c) stuffing a wet sock into the mouth of every Democrat tempted to praise John McCain for ANY reason.

 In sum, go 100% against the conventional ingrained "wisdom" in the Democratic establishment on how to run a presidential election.

 The sliver lining is that if Obama loses there's no way it can be blamed on the progressive community (though the DLC stiffs will certainly try). Small comfort indeed.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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How can it not be blamed on us (4.00 / 1)
we're the ones who supported him and stuck our necks out to nominate him.  

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Oh, please (4.00 / 3)

 Obama's primary support came from all across the board, the blogosphere included.

 Since getting nominated he's dropped the progressive community like a hot potato.

 Maybe if he'd listened to us he'd still have his lead. But what do we know? We're not Bob Shrum.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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Did it really? (0.00 / 0)
cause I distinctly remember the primaries being a fight between the progressives and the DLC...at least that's how it was spun and that's how it appears.

If he loses, the fault will lie at the feet of the progressives and the DLC wins.  


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You're deliberately missing my point. (4.00 / 2)

 I'm done engaging you.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn

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I didn't deliberately miss it (0.00 / 0)
I don't see it, but if you don't think the progressive community is going to be purged if Obama loses, you're crazy. We are the ones who promoted this guy more than anyone else. We can't walk around trying to say "oh, but we didn't know he would betray us."

Besides, someone pointed out his problems isn't with independents, although some polls say it is, if that's true, don't you think if he runs left, he'll lose them and the gain among Democrats would be a wash and he still will be in the position he is.

Do you really think there are more of us than anyone else? Does anyone canvass independent and moderate voters out there? Or do we just canvass and talk to the left and think that's all that's out there.  


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You don't engage anyone (0.00 / 0)
You just assert.  

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The DLC likes Obama (4.00 / 2)
He is running their kind of campaign.....

And that should be acknowleldged now...becasue otherwise when and or if he loses then we we will be blamed.  He ran away from us and how he presented himself after he won the nomination.

Obama is DLC in everything but name

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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And if Obama loses... (4.00 / 1)

 ...then the DLC will love him.

 He will officially be one of them.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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And they will also say that they were right (0.00 / 0)
because somehow in DC it seems that if one is wrong one has more credibility (see, e.g., Iraq).

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Right but HRC was not! (0.00 / 0)
Comedy

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You are so good, go run some campaigns (0.00 / 0)
Few on this site assert their strategic mastery so confidently as you do....you obviously need to go out there and run some campaigns.  To save us all.

Really.  If you're good, you can make big money.

Or, maybe, express a little humility and doubt now and then, rather than just bray and bark.


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You tell me (4.00 / 1)

 Why is Barack Obama going down in the polls?

 Why is Barack Obama having trouble pulling ahead of a complete throwaway of a candidate in what's supposed to be a big year for Democrats?

 If you wish to pretend that the campaign is all hunky-dory and that victory is at hand, go right ahead. If you don't think a course correction is in order, though, have fun at the concession speech.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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I think (0.00 / 0)
we all have seperate opinions as to what's going on and some people are so annoyed by the polls, they're becoming angry at everyone.

My opinion is he's dropping in polls because he's not running an agressive campaign. He looks weak, complacent and naive. Going on vacation was idiotic. Back at home, my brother told me he's been seeing McCain "The Original Maverick" commercials like every 20 minutes and not one Obama commercial and he's in Virginia working for Obama. He's out there canvassing and phonebanking for the Obama campaign.

He really needs to be relentless about attacking McCain. Every single day, he needs to get out there and say something striking about McCain. What happened to "the straight talk express lost some wheels?"  


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I am hardly unique (4.00 / 1)
Aravosis is not an ostrich, either.

And he's a hell of a lot more eloquent than I am.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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Bounce fade + negativity = Where we are now (4.00 / 4)
I just don't think this has to do with FISA or any position for that matter.  This is completely to do with the standard fade in his "bounce" and the fact that McCain has been savaging Obama's character while Obama tries to only defend and parry the attacks.

I know that there have been several negative ads released by Obama recently, but honestly, these are all "issue" ads.  Obama's team needs to start attacking McCain's character... use video of McCain against him.  These can still be related to issues, of course, but they should basically just talk about how crappy McCain is and how he's going to keep up the same shitty Republican policies of the last 8 years...

And that last part is key... The answer to this election is in your chart, Matt... Obama has failed to label McCain as a "Republican" who just wants to continue the shitty "Republican" policies of the last 8 years.  Yes, they need to tie him to Bush as well, but I think the problem is that right now people just see Bush as a shitty Republican, while McCain is a "good" Republican (who's really a "maverick" and not like those other Republicans).  Obama needs to attack not just the "Bush" policies of the last 8 years, but the disastrous "Republican" policies of the last 8 years which McCain will only seek to continue.


But he's different! He really is! (4.00 / 5)

  If anybody can produce any actual evidence that Barack Obama's campaign is not being run just like John Kerry's was, please do so.

  It sounds like the same old consultants. With the same old results.

  Does the Democratic Party have a death wish?  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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But the people (0.00 / 0)
with get it this time, really, they will.  

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We will know all we need to know in the convention... (4.00 / 1)
If the convention isn't used to at least partially savage McCain, then I'm guessing the election will be a toss-up.  If they work on making McCain the villain (as Matt mentions), then Obama could possibly start winning this thing again.

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Yeah real progressives (2.00 / 2)
play  into narratives where being compared to other dems is an insult.

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Strawman, strawman, burning bright... (4.00 / 2)

 So a critique of John Kerry's (losing) 2004 campaign is now a full-bore insult of the man himself. Nicely done, Karl.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn

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You're only allowed to criticize Clintons (0.00 / 0)
(while praising Reagan).

Montani semper liberi

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Yes that's right (0.00 / 0)
because Obama moved to the center, people started supporting McCain.

Do we have any first-person experience that this is why he is sliding? Do you guys actually talk to people? Did you people actually know what Obama stood for BEFORE the primaries, or did you just think you did?

Before I left for Italy, I did and I still do from here. No one gives a fuck about FISA, they care about Georgia, drilling, and McCain's negative ads. They don't even know what FISA is and when they find out, they tend to support it.

Obama can run as Dennis Kucinich, it wouldn't have helped him. He never promised to be a progressive brand, that's a false mantra you guys placed on him.

He is/was always slightly more moderate than Hillary on most issues, just not as hawkish. I like him that way, if you don't, you shouldn't have supported him.  


you are right he is /was more moderate than Hillary (4.00 / 1)
which is why I supported her not him

"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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Really? (4.00 / 10)
Obama's brand is progressive

I wish this were so. His brand is a post-partisan, post-labels reformer, which is precisely why he's running to the right and showing so much fear about going "negative."

It's incredible and alarming that, as Krugman points out, polls show that McCain and Obama are now essentially tied on the economy. And Krugman's answer is correct and obvious: populism.

Even though Obama keeps moving to the right on the economy--most recently on capital gains taxes--even though Robert Rubin has his ear, even though a Wal-Mart fan runs his economic shop, he still could run a populist campaign that exposes McCain for what he is: a corrupt whore for oil companies and other multinationals, as an out-of-touch multi-millionaire whose heiress wife owns about a dozen homes, as the man who chief advisor says the economic pain of Americans is in our heads. Etc. Obama could do worse than watch Clinton in 92, another centrist who ran a populist campaign.

For all our crowing about our "creative class" capabilities, Dems seem incapable of painting a picture, of crafting a story. Not that you have to be Saul Bellow. McCain is a rich, out-of-touch elite millionaire who doesn't understand your economic pain. The most effective populist attacks have come from E. Edwards on health care and the AFL-CIO on social security because they link his wealth to his policies.

This "under-the-radar" negative offensive is too cute by three-quarters. He should run a barrage of cable-news-ready attacks using his expensive shoes as a symbol and that highlight his love of NAFTA and that turn Phil Gramm into a pariah. You know.

As always, the GOP is unloading conservative cultural populism on our nominee. The even stronger weapon at our disposal--progressive economic populism--sits there, waiting to be fired.



Slight disagreement (4.00 / 7)
For all our crowing about our "creative class" capabilities, Dems seem incapable of painting a picture, of crafting a story. Not that you have to be Saul Bellow. McCain is a rich, out-of-touch elite millionaire who doesn't understand your economic pain. The most effective populist attacks have come from E. Edwards on health care and the AFL-CIO on social security because they link his wealth to his policies.

  There are many, many Democrats who are PERFECTLY capable of painting pictures and crafting stories.

   The problem is that the presidential campaigns don't bother to hire them. And the party establishment shuns them like the plague. They're DFH's, after all.

  Or along the same lines, why do we insist on having a stiff like Harold Ford speak for us in the media when there are so many Cliff Schechters and Rick Perlsteins available?

  The Democrats lose because they choose to.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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You make assumptions (0.00 / 1)
You are assuming that such messages haven't been tested and discarded.  You're also assuming they would work.

I don't think they would.

Really, your guesses are no better than Plouffes, Penn's,
Rove's, or any of the others.

But you speak with such certainty and anger, it's poisonous.


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I am certain about this (4.00 / 2)

 1. The Democrats have a long history of (a) running to the right in the general election, (b) acting like sitting ducks to the Republican attack machine, and (c) losing.

 2. Obama gave the impression, during the primary, that it was going to be different this time. He was ready for the attacks, he said.

 3. See #1(a) and #1(b).

 4. Obama's poll numbers have gone DOWN steadily. In what's supposed to be a big Democratic year.

 5. What's that people say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

 I don't have all the answers as to what works. I have observed the Democrats through enough election cycles to know what DOESN'T work.

 And yes, I have helped run a campaign. At the local level. We won.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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SEIU and AFL-CIO (4.00 / 2)
are doing Obama's work for him:

The A.F.L.-C.I.O. and the Service Employees International Union have feuded plenty in recent years, but they have banded together to help distribute and publicize a new online video that characterizes Senator John McCain as elitist and out of touch.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...



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brand vs substance (4.00 / 2)
This is one of the problems with the liberal blogosphere's obsession with branding in politics, it obscures the real problems and misleads people about the solutions. Obama is perceived to be a liberal, largely because of his race. He plays up his centrist political positions, playing against type, which gives him an independent reputation once voters get to know him a little.

Obama's problem is not that he is running from some "progressive brand", it is that he is running from progressive positions. He is running from the base in a Democratic base year. But he can't change that, he is a centrist, not a populist, and base voters would see through an attempt to pretend otherwise.

If Obama begins running negative ads more publicly, which he is likely to do if he continues to slide, then he will only damage himself with the independents and young voters who have identified with the idealized image he has promoted.

I think his best bet is to do what he is doing, run the sunny campaign publicly, keep the vicious attacks under the radar, and hope to eek out a win with his field program. He is a tough but cautious campaigner, I don't see him making the dramatic moves that would change the 50/50 dynamic of this campaign.


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First, yes. Absolutely. (4.00 / 4)
I think it'd be hard to overstate the effect of the 'FISA reversal/compromised principle' moment.

Second, I dunno about 'villain' (because every time Obama mentions McCain, he blurts 'American hero' like some sorta, erm, lightweight), but the Obama campaign needs to focus on a very small handful of anti-McCain narratives, and to never deviate.

The first is strongest, courtesy of our friend Mr. Rove. "McCain is a ticking time bomb. He erupts. He's unstable." Only use pictures of him looking furious. Every time the McCain campaign complains about the media, they should say not 'oh, they're whiners!'. 'Whiners' isn't the narrative. They need to say: "There goes McCain screaming about the media." And "Looks like the McCain campaign is blowing their top again." And any mention of hysterical red-faced screaming is always good. Respond to every attack, now it's acknowledged that McCain's gone negative, with 'Well, the McCain campaign keeps wanting to go nuclear in this campaign, but ... ' and 'Yeah, they're really erupting, here, frankly I think they've lost control ..."

The second is McSame. Tie McCain to Bush with an anvil. Well, a chain. To an anvil. That quote where he says he follows Bush on every big matter of principle should be played so often that it seeps into our nightmares.

Third is mockery. "You kids get off all eight of my lawns!" The $520 shoes, the 'cottage cheese in green jello' look, and then seizing every one of his gaffes du jour, even the perfectly understandable ones, and mocking them. Just slap him around in the media as much as possible, with 'humorous' but vicious mockery: that's the only way to really undermine his manly manfulness. Well, and the mockery should try to paint McCain as childish, too. 'Sorry, Johnny, your wife can't buy you this house' is a great line. Oh,  and choose Wes Clark for VP. That'd help.

(I think we shouldn't use the 'dazed and confused' line, because when McCain does perform well, that can too easily rebound.)

Finally, because  what the Obama campaign really needs is anonymous blogger telling them what they need instead of manning the phones, they need to counter all this 'foreign' stuff and 'celebrity' stuff with one single narrative.

Barack Obama: Vote the American Dream.

That's what'd I'd choose. His story is the story of America, both the immigrant story and the heartland (okay, so shoot me) story. Only in America could a guy with no connections (he didn't marry rich or come from a family of admirals, though that'd just stay subtext) rise to the Senate, and next the Oval Office. Make him embody the American dream.

This counters 'celebrity', because of course celebrity is part of the American dream, and counters 'he's a scary foreign foreigner' because, well, there's nothing more American than the American dream. Make his story overtly about the American dream, and that's pretty hard to attack.

 


One Problem, I Think (4.00 / 9)
Is that this has hurt them more with their base.  If you look at the EV maps Chris posts, it's only just now that Ohio has slipped to tossup that our maps reflect what Nate says, too.

I think one problem--far from the only one, but part of their blind spot--is that they haven't worried much about losing a few points in California or New York, and there's been less indication that they're losing support in the battlegrounds. Of course, they stopped making gains, there, too, which ought to be worry enough, but obviously it wasn't.

The moral here--for the umpteen millionth time--is that properly stengthening your base draws people to it--it's not an either/or kind of proposition as the DLC tries to insist.

The GOP learned this several decades ago.  Why can't we?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Exactly (0.00 / 0)
how well did running to the base work out for the GOP in the end? I distinctly remember Bush running as a moderate in 2000

[ Parent ]
What Part of "PROPERLY" Don't You Understand? (4.00 / 3)
The whole megillah, I would guess.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Guess Not (0.00 / 0)
but I'd like to know why then the most common issue I hear with voters about Democratic candidates every election is that "he's too liberal, he's out of touch"

Wasn't Bill Clinton in touch? Didn;t he run from the progressive brand? Why did it work for him and not anyone else?  


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He Didn't Run From The Progressive Brand (4.00 / 2)
In fact, Clinton ran the most progressive Dem presidential campaign since George McGovern.  It was all about economic populism, "putting people first."

When it came time to govern, not so much.  But he campaigned as quite a progressive.

This was the exact opposite of Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis who ran from their own liberal records.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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That's the exact opposite (0.00 / 0)
of what I remember hearing all over the place all year.


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Well, You Heard Wrong (4.00 / 1)
Funny how you seem to live in a separate reality.

Back in the real world, Clinton ran on (a) increasing the Earned Income Tax Credit--which effectively increases income for low-wage workers, especially those with kids--which he did in 1993, (b) a middle-class tax cut--which he reversed, either because of pressure from bond traders, or because he was surprised at the size of the deficit, or, well, you get the picture, (c) passing NAFTA with strong enviornmental and labor law protections--he passed NAFTA, the protections, not so much.

Meanwhile, Bush Sr. was so out of touch he was taken by surprise by a supermarket checkout scanner.  So the contrast between Clinton's economic populism and Bush's elite disdain was so sharp you could cut glass with it.

So, how's things in the alternate universe?  What color is Worf's hair?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Then (0.00 / 0)
we should've nominated his wife. Clearly the Clintons know how to win. Govern? maybe not, but at least they can win.

[ Parent ]
Yes, Dukakis and Mondale both ran as sort Managers, as people (4.00 / 1)
who could govern more competently and that's fine...if you hammer hard at saying the opponent is incompetent, out of touch. Again, it is about personally tagging your opponent and they failed to do that.

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Also (0.00 / 0)
If the fact tht Obama is running from progressive is why he's sliding, why aren't Democrats in Congress losing support in polls? Why are they still holding strong? They've been worse betrayers than Obama has been.

If this is true, then why are Dan Lipinski and John Barrow still the Democratic nominees for their district. Why isn't Nancy Pelosi sweating more?  


And Don't Forget Nikki Tinker! (4.00 / 1)
Oh, wait...

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Tinker? (0.00 / 0)
That's different and my point was the current incumbent crop of Democrats aren't being defeated and Tennessee 9 is far from representative of the rest of the country. I think it's pretty clear Obama will win that district big but get killed statewide in Tennessee. I'm talking about moderate swing districts...yes Lipinski's has historically been one.


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Gosh, what a shock... (4.00 / 5)
You go against the grain where old guard grassroots labor lives (NAFTA in the Northeast and Midwest), and where the activist/netroots left lives (FISA) and they start to lose faith in you.  

Who'da thunk it?

Add to that the perception that Obama's campaign staffers seem to be taking all the oxygen out of the room via their requirements of and their takeover of state party coordinated campaigns (hurting statehouse races in the process, possibly also Congressional campaigns), and you're bound to have some glum folks who don't think their lives, let alone their opinions and experience, are perceived by the staffers to have much value.

It's far from the end of the world yet, but why are we so desperate to reload the gun when we already have a bullet or two in our feet?


Well put, Matt. (4.00 / 2)
Obama's brand is progressive.  When he refuses to run as a progressive, he loses ground.  This should not be a surprise.

I'm not optimistic, because his brand also is post partisan.  When he spends so much time and effort moderating his views in what appears to be a vain attempt to reach Republicans, he undermines his own campaign. It does not look like strength of conviction, and if he does not really believe in a progressive agenda, so thinks a voter, then why support him.  McCain projects strong belief.  

I hope he changes.  Perhaps the polls will help.

Look on the bright side: his VP pick looks like it will be a flaming ... moderate.


Why vote for him? (0.00 / 0)
Simply put, you agree with him on issues.

McCain projects strong belief where exactly?  


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Everywhere. There's no doubt (4.00 / 3)
that McCain is fanatically devoted to the corporate class, or to the war munitions industries.  It's just that he refers to them as "the middle class" and "America's military strength."  

Democrats are rampant right now because we have succeeded after a long fight in convincing the public that the Repigs' tough talk is just talk and not really tough, and that their reflexive militarism is not the way to get results. Obama has managed to discard our hard-fought advantage by condemning "divisiveness" and countenancing the argument that attacking the Repigs is outside the bounds of "civility".

He's a priss.  Nobody wants to vote for a priss.


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The analysis is crystallizing (4.00 / 3)
Across the progressive spectrum, and even among more moderate Democrats, there's a growing agreement that Obama's campaign is faltering, and risking the election, by not making a consistent and aggressive effort to frame McCain as the deranged elitist wingnut that he is, and contrast that with Obama's progressive, popular proposals to actually do what this country needs.

The issue that tremayne discussed earlier is actually a symptom of the problem: Obama is spending too much time "hitting back" and not nearly enough time simply hitting. He's become the Gulliver to McCain's Lilliputians, weighed down by small attacks that pile up and sap his strength. Time to go on the offensive with the two-pronged strategy I just described, a strategy nearly everybody now agrees is what's needed.

Unfortunately the Obama campaign seems deaf to these concerns, convinced that a voter registration drive will win the election alone. The problem is, it's the media frames that help shape turnout and voter choice. The two work hand in hand. The growing unanimity about Obama's problem and how he should solve it suggests that the campaign are now the outliers, and they need to make some adjustments.


From what I read (0.00 / 0)
here and DailyKos, there's a sense of agreement that voter registration and GOTV WILL win the election alone. The complacency is scary and is, to me, the reason why this is happening.

Obama needs to spend less time defending himself and make McCain defend himself. Now take FISA. From conversations I've had with people, it's not that they oppose it, it's that they don't trust Bush. McCain or Obama they don't mind if they spy, they trust them. It's Bush they don't trust.

Fine, ok, MAKE them mind. Remind voters that if FISA is necessary for our security, which is what I tend to hear from people, then youa absolutely don't want McCain to have that power. As President, I (Obama) will keep you secure and respect your privacy.

I don't remember where he reversed on NAFTA, but if he did, that's a problem...in Ohio anyway. Where I come from, NAFTA is actually fairly popular, but Obama isn't going to lose New Jersey. Supporting a repeal of NAFTA may be a slap in the face of wealthy New Jersey Democrats, but whatever, it needs to be done (Isn't Rush Holt anti-NAFTA anyway?)



[ Parent ]
Wait (0.00 / 0)
If "people" are telling you they support warrantless wiretaps, then why does Obama need to remind "voters" that it's okay for him to do it?

Illegal spying is either popular, or not, you can't have it both ways.

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Because (0.00 / 0)
the only thing they're skeptical about is the Bush administration. They don't trust them, but they see the Democrats are caring more about "rights" than security. It's not a situation where you either agree with Bush or the ACLU. Most people out there don't like or trust either.  

[ Parent ]
So much for the rule of law, then, eh? (0.00 / 0)
Unconstitutional powers in Republican hands = bad, but unconstitutional powers in Democratic hands = good?

I don't think so. And if you really think you can sell that idea to some "people" you know, the ones you "talk to" all the time, well all I can say is, good luck with that.

Because it sounds to me like you've got more imaginary friends than David Brooks.

Montani semper liberi


[ Parent ]
What rubbish (4.00 / 1)
It has nothing to do with FISA. You are seeing what you want to see because you want your opinions validated. The late June dip was because the average was based mainly on the tracking polls which have always showed smaller leads than other polling even when those other polls have showed large Obama leads. And the dip at end of July was skewed by the obvious USA Today/Gallup poll that had McCain ahead by four.

The apparent drop today again could be because we haven't seen many polls outside the tracking numbers. We will have to see if the apparent tightening can be confirmed by the next round of network polling.

However, I do think the drop in state polling we have seen recently is real. The weakness we are seeing with Dems seems to be Hillary supporters holding out. Crosstabs, like in the PPP Ohio poll, show D defectors are archetypal Clintonians, older white woman. The state polling has tightened primarily because Repubs, who may hate McCain but will hate any Dem more, are coming home while Dems are doing their usual humming and hawing. The trend can be turned around with a good unified convention and campaigning from Hillary.  


Maybe tweaking a narrative and individual reversals is not the point? (0.00 / 0)
I know that politicians in democracies are famous for saying what people want to hear, but what if you view choosing a political leader from a socio-biological perspective, rather than from a marketing one? (That is, after all, what a lot of the discussion boils down to. People are discussing how Obama should positively market himself, and negatively market McCain.) There's a fascinating book on socio-biology called "On Human Nature" by E.O. Wilson. I don't want to get into it's contents, but suffice it to say, from a socio-biological viewpoint, I will argue that leaders must help their kinsmen survive, and in order to do that, they need to be decisive. If the clan doesn't stay together, they'll likely die, so even good decisions that aren't compelling enough to create social cohesion can become bad decisions. Over the eons, societies where leaders are not decisive and followers are too independent will tend not to be selected for survival.

In a modern society, where choosing a leader is a more elaborate and indirect process (I say indirect because we're not a small clan, who have known the leader all our lives), I suppose we could say that leaders need to convey the IMPRESSION of decisiveness.

I theorize that the reason that flip flops may be hurting Obama is because they directly attack the impression of decisiveness. Speaking for myself, I'm baffled as to why, almost from the moment Obama clinched the nomination, he seems to have made one mistake after another. Although I can't say I knew all that much about Obama before he clinched, so maybe, as many people are saying, this is mostly my fault for being ignorant, I will say that regardless of causation, if there's lot's of people out there who think to themselves "Well, I THOUGHT Obama was for A, B, and C, but now I see he's for D, E, F", their perception of his decisiveness will also be negatively affected.

Another way of saying this is, Obama's reversals may be hurting him not so much because people are sore at him with regards to individual issues, but because they are now more uncertain as to what he stands for than they were, previously. Uncertainty as to what he stands for means that, socio-biologically speaking, he is an indecisive leader, and thus no leader, at all.

I hate to say this, but his key "survival" strategy in the Senate - reaching across the aisle, bi-partisanship, blah, blah - may be directly at odds with his new political task, which is to become the alpha male of American society. (Sorry, feminists. :-) ) Another way to think about this is that a perfectly adequate manner of functioning in the Senate may be inadequate for a candidate as the leader of the free world. I previously have suggested that Obama should "evolve" to a new attitude, where he lets Republicans reach across the aisle, to him.

I'll now state this more assertively, as follows: Obama needs to define himself as a decisive leader. That means no more flip flops - either towards the center, or away from the center. If he simply MUST keep blabbering on about reaching across the aisle, he should make it clear that reaching across the aisle must be a two way street, and that when he's President, he will demand reciprocity from the Republicans, or else it will be their wishes and demands that get ignored, and not his.

His goal should be to convey the notion of "I'm the leader, I'm setting the agenda, and I have the vision". Of course, he needs to do this in a way that's not obnoxious, or where people get the idea that he's a megalomaniac or overly stubborn. This is somewhat at odds with his rhetoric about change being from the bottom up, so he either has to drop such rhetoric, or (probably much better) somehow make these two incongruous ideas meet in the middle.

Besides signature issues, he should have attendant signature goals, to which he needs to be committed. E.g., "green economy" is kind of vague. He needs to say something like - "We're going to have solar panels on the roofs of 25% of American homes within 4 years.", and then STICK to that. (Almost certainly, this would be done via incentives.) If McCain whines about "It'll cost X billions of dollars", Obama needs to be ready with with a snappy comment like. "That's right - so what's your point? You want to give the oil companies $36 billion, for them to put in their own pockets. I'm going to blah blah. Tell you what, John. When I'm president, I'll see if we can work out a special deal for rich Americans who own 8 houses, like yourself."

Indeed, Obama should welcome each and every time that McCain comes after him on a specific goal, since it'll afford him the opportunity to demonstrate that his mind is made up, and furthermore that McCain and the Republicans can whine and explain how the US is a "can't do" nation all they want but under Obama's decisive leadership, the US will be a "will do" nation.

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About the only time that politicians can be counted on to universally look decisive (yes, even the Democrats) is when there's some sort of military confrontation. I suspect a lot of people have falsely interpreted this as meaning that the attendant TOUGHNESS (i.e., the willingness to use violence) is what is drawing the populace to them. That may be a part of it, but let's again think in socio-biological terms.

Leader of the pack Grunto (to make up a funny name) sees that he and the tribe have picked on a particularly powerful and irritable mastodon. Indecision - calling a powow to decide whether the tribe runs for the hills, or charges with spears a-flailing - would be fatal as said mastodon starts it's agitated gallop towards the tribe.

What is important is that Grunto make the call, quickly, and then STICK WITH IT, either until the the mastodon is dead, or until the tribe has safely escaped.

Almost as bad as just standing there, doing nothing, would be to first run away, and then 2 seconds before the mastodon will run over the slower members of the tribe, decide to attack the mastodon. The momentum of the mastodon, alone, guarantees that it'll kill a few members of the tribe before the battle is over.

I would hate for anybody to interpret my post as meaning that Obama should try and out chest-thump McCain. Far from it. In fact, his comments about the Georgia situation were so one-sided that I got angry at their sheer stupidity. The decisiveness needed is not the self-centered, zero-sum, relentless approach to supposed enemies like the Russians, spiced with the enormous hypocrisy for which the US is infamous, EVEN IF COUCHED IN PLATITUDES ABOUT TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY. His stupid, unbalanced comments increased tensions with Russia, and thus one can argue that they have slightly increased the chance for nuclear war. But I digress.

The kind of decisiveness I want to see is, if you will, an aggressive will to peaceful coexistence, where the Golden Rule, on a nation to nation basis, presides. If Mr. Obama is sure that Georgia's atrocities against S. Ossetian civilians should be ignored, that the precedent set in forcefully redefining national borders by the US' meddling in the Balkans should somehow be discounted, and that promises re NATO made to the Russian government should be ignored, even though that same, nuclear-armed government vigorously disagrees, well, then, let him make the case.

Otherwise, his job as neo-Grunto will mean that he has to aggressively seek peace and prosperity, as the situation allows, and warfare only when that is really the only option.

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It was probably anti-clinton sentiment actually (0.00 / 0)
Clinton was going after Obama in such a low class manner that people who normally prefer Republicans were more inclined to like Obama.


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