My Speculation (0.00 / 0)

Conventional - Biden

Unconventional - Bayh

Wishful - Clinton

Laugh hard. Its a long ways to the bank.  

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by: JerryColorado23 @ Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 17:19:22 PM UTC

Jerry, what do you think is unconventional... (0.00 / 0)

about Bayh?  :)

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by: Syrith @ Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 18:47:12 PM UTC

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Because everybody here hates him (4.00 / 1)

And he seems to be discounted in the MSM as of late.

I used to think he was a good choice since I think Obama needs to be the one to carry the ticket and Bayh is super safe and could quietly wrangle in support from the middle of the road voters.

BUT

I've come to realize that Obama's support within the party is diminishing and I believe a Clinton nod or a netroots phenom like Clark is what he truly needs to get back to the 90%+ support from within the party.

Obama's shift to the middle has made him lose support from within his own party and a Bayh pick would exasperate that, so again an unconvetional choice since Bayh wouldn't gain more swing voters to offset the true Dems that Obama pissed away by choosing him as VP.  

Laugh hard. Its a long ways to the bank.  

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by: JerryColorado23 @ Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 19:15:28 PM UTC

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QT's Picks (0.00 / 0)

CW: Biden, Kaine

UCW: Clinton, Sebelius

WL: Clark, Powell

QT

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by: QueenTiye @ Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 17:43:42 PM UTC

A clue in Obama's own words (4.00 / 2)

I think there may be a clue to Obama's choice in his own words. First, he said he wanted someone "independent." That doesn't help. It could be said of any of the contenders--Bayh, Kaine, Biden, Clinton, Clark, Sibelius, Chet Edwards, even, God help us, Hagel. Then he said he wanted someone who could challenge his pre-conceived notions. This is a little strange. Was it a dig at the Bush-Cheney White House? But then came the phrase that seems out of place. He wants someone who would engage in "robust debate" with him. Why would he want a debater in the White House? Why would he choose an antagonist instead of a team member? "Debate" is an odd term in this context.

Once someone uses an odd term, you have to suspect that there is psychological importance to it. There's some reason it's there, but not necessarily a logical reason. It may be an emotional reason. What was the most emotionally intense event for Obama in the campaign thus far--the one in which he felt challenged, perhaps even a little frightened? It had to have been the debates, particularly the first couple of them. Therefore, it is possible that this term bubbled up from Obama's unconscious when thinking of the person he has chosen. That is, the person is someone who participated in the debates. That would make it Biden or Hillary--and given the other evidence, probably Biden.

Is this close reading of Obama's words a valid insight or only a useless mistake? We'll all know in a couple of hours.

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by: stevenaxelrod @ Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 18:14:36 PM UTC

Hoping it's relly outside of the box (0.00 / 0)

Inside the box (CW):           Kaine, Sebilius
Outside the box (UCW):         Gore, Daschle
Really Outside the box (UUCW): Hart, Bradley

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by: tietack @ Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 19:41:32 PM UTC

One more prediction (0.00 / 0)

The pick won't be named until the convention. Seems like the McMansion thing has legs, at least enough to get through the weekend.

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by: tietack @ Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 19:47:22 PM UTC

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