Beyond Troopergate: McCain/Palin Judgment & Ethics Problems--Hush Money? Witness Tampering?

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 14:19


As noted in a comment, by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle, TPM has a new, up-to-date overview of Sarah Palin's Troopergate scandal here.  This is the scandal over the pressuring, and eventual firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, for his refusal to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, Palin's ex-brother-in-law who's involved in a bitter custody dispute with Palin's sister.

Josh explains his reasons for presenting the overview as a response to some particularly noxious spin:

Paul Rosenberg :: Beyond Troopergate: McCain/Palin Judgment & Ethics Problems--Hush Money? Witness Tampering?

I've noticed some people who should know better claiming that bringing up Gov. Palin's troopergate scandal is tantamount to making a victim of or defending her slimeball ex-brother-in-law who allegedly once used a taser on his stepson.

That's awfully foolish. So I thought I'd put together a post explaining why.

The person in question is state trooper Mike Wooten -- Palin's ex-brother-in-law who's embroiled in a bitter custody and divorce battle with Palin's sister.... Regardless, we proceeded on the assumption that Wooten really was a rotten guy because the truth is that it wasn't relevant to the investigation of Palin.

You really should read the whole thing.

But there's even more to the story, on at least two fronts--first, Palin's resistence to an investigation (which we'll look at below), and second, the flakey hiring that followed Monegan's firing.  We take up the later first, for its sheer WTF? value.

After Monegan was fired, Palin hired Chuck Kopp, who lasted a full two weeks before stepping down when it turned out he'd lied about a previous sexual harrasment complaint being dismissed.  Kopp received a $10,000 payment as part of his severance agreement (PDF here)--$1,000 for every day on the job--while Monegan recieved not a dime.  In fact, this payment was, apparently, orginally done in secret, and was brought to light by blogger Andrew Halcro (a former state representative, who recently got his own talk show): "The Hush Money Agreement" and "Hush Money? (Updated)".

Now, even if Troopergate weren't a scandal, one has to ask, what is Palin doing giving a $10,000 severance package to someone who served 10 days who lied to her in the process of getting the job in the first place?  And, of course, one has to wonder what kind of vetting process Palin herself uses if she didn't even bother to check out his claim that the sexual harrasment complaint had been dismissed.

Judgment problems, anyone?  What, is there a fire sale going on?

On July 24, the Anchorage Daily News reported:

New state Public Safety Commissioner Chuck Kopp never told Gov. Sarah Palin that he received a letter of reprimand from a sexual harassment complaint when he was chief of the Kenai police, the governor's office said today.

The governor learned of the letter when the public did after Kopp's Tuesday press conference, Palin spokeswoman Sharon Leighow said this afternoon.

"The governor is concerned, and she's disappointed," Leighow said.

Leighow wouldn't comment further -- including on whether Palin plans to dismiss Kopp as the state's top cop. There are a lot of rumors going around and the governor wants to deal in facts, she said.

Well, better late than never, I guess.  But why wasn't she concerned about facts when she first considered hiring Kopp?  Could it be she was just in too much of a hurry to get rid of Walt Monegan?  Hopefully, this will be one of many questions that the legislatures investigation will ask, and get answers to.

And speaking of that investigation....

Palin Fighting Investigation

The legislature's investigation is being run by former prosecutor Steve Branchflower.  According to the Anchorage Daily News:

Branchflower was an Anchorage prosecutor for 28 years and returned briefly after retirement in 2002 to run the Legislature's newly created Office of Victims' Rights. For much of his time in the Anchorage District Attorney's office, he ran the intake unit, evaluating cases submitted by police and troopers for prosecution. He also occasionally tried cases, generally high-profile murders.

Branchflower has the experience to sift through the evidence and see if there is anything there, [Alaska State Senator Kim] Elton [D-Juneau] said.

The entire article that description came from gives a nice snapshot of the unfolding drama and the growing nasty tone from Palin's administration, Palin reacts to mention of "impeachment".  This is trickle-down from the cowardice of the DC Dems.  By letting Bush/Cheney quite literally get away with mass murder, even the bare mention of "impeachment" is taken by Republicans everywhere as a sure-fire sign of political extremism, which can fairly be fought against by any means necessary.

Palin heard about the appointment [of Branchflower]Friday and questioned whether the investigation will be fair.

"The project manager, Sen. French, already elevated this by publicly suggesting 'impeachment' before the Senate laid out any rules or an investigator was named," Palin said through spokeswoman Sharon Leighow.

"Publicly elevating this to 'impeachment' raises doubts as to how fair a process some senators may intend for this to be."

So, the appointment of Branchflower--by all appearances a respected lifefime professional prosecutor--is being used as the occassion for a political attack, which cannot help but try to taint him by association.  Nice!

At the same time, Palin's administration has launched its own investigation, through the Attorney General's office, which raises the specter of trying to sandbag the legislative investigation, up to and including witness tampering, as aforementioned blogger Andrew Halcro described:

Is Palin tampering with witnesses?

I received two separate emails this morning from two very credible sources that have alledged that the Palin administration is interviewing employees at the Department of Public Safety to find out what they know about the Monegan firing.

Here are the excerpts from those emails:

"The governor has directed the AG to conduct an 'under oath' inquisition of everyone at DPS to find out what they know and what they might tell the special investigator.  This is totally out of bounds.  I won't say illegal, but some folks I trust say it is illegal use of the AGs office by the governor.  Cockerham has been tipped on this one, but I don't know if the folks at DPS are willing to say anything."

"This is quasi public information now, but I thought I would pass it on:

Dept. of Law has been interviewing individuals likely to be questioned by Branchflower.

The interviews by law were conducted before branchflower could interview them and at least one, John Glass, was conducted with attorneys present for the interviewee. I was told they may have even been conducted under oath.  

Hollis has been informed. Apparently he is not pleased.  

This kind of stuff could be construed as witness tampering."  

    I have sent the following email to Sharon Leighow in Governor Palin's office:

Sharon,

I have heard from several people that the administration is having the Department of Law interview people at DPS to find out what they know before the are interviewed by Branchflower.
Is the Department of Law doing ANY investigating or interviewing potential Branchflower witnesses about the Monegan firing?
Andrew

I'm obviously just starting to scratch the surface here.  But just as obviously, McCain had no idea there even was a surface to be scratched.  The notion of Palin as a "reformer" is, apparently, as questionable as McCain's own claims--but without his many years of Teflon coating by schmoozing his media base.

As a result, the notion of using her to counter Obama's image as an outside reformer is only as good as McCain's ability to charm the press into ignoring her glaring inconsistencies, even as it has ignored his own.


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you know (4.00 / 1)
this isn't a republican problem its a rw con problem, these people are really just criminals, i don't know if they are like this because they actually believe in religion or if they use religion to explain away their lack of ethics and morals, maybe a little of each, what do you think.

If they believe in religion .. (0.00 / 0)
what is it exactly they believe in?  They don't seem to believe in much of the teachings many of us to believe to be Christianity

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The primary function of public piety (4.00 / 5)
throughout history has been as a smokescreen to cover up crime and evildoing. That's why Jesus didn't like it much.

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"Woe Unto Ye, Scribes And Pharisees!" (4.00 / 1)
Who do you think would cruficy Jesus if he came back today?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Hard to say (4.00 / 1)
Obviously, anything we say has to be in generalities, since people do not have the same motivations.

However, I would argue that one of the underlying reasons for most of them is the "authoritarian philosophy"--basically, that you always have to obey authority without question.  Those who subscribe to this are usually conservative, and the connection to religion (at least, commonly practiced religion) should be obvious.  And, if you believe authority ought to be followed without thought, what do you do when you get that authority...?


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Palin is a family woman (4.00 / 3)
Abusing the power of the state to help her family shows how good of a family woman she is.

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I'll add your /snark/ tag for ya ... (4.00 / 2)
... before bad things happen.  :-)

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WTF?? (4.00 / 2)
is right .. It is obvious that she wasn't vetted at all .. everyone the papers seem to ask in Alaska say McCain's team never contacted them .. so it leads to me some conclusions ...

1.)  McCain is hoping "his base" comes through for him one more time and doesn't give her scrutiny

2.) Gustav is going to be on TV non-stop for the next few days so whatever scrutiny there is will have to wait.

3.) This is an obvious pander to the nutters.  Hell, even that phony James Dobson is on board now.


So has Dobson explained yet (4.00 / 1)
what "God" had in mind when he decided to celebrate the GOP convention with another hurricane?

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James Dobson put his personal prestige (0.00 / 0)
and the credibility of his connection to God on the line by publicly calling on God to rain out Obama's speech.  It didn't happen.  I'd say that's conclusive proof that God doesn't agree with James Dobson and that Dobson has no connection with God.

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this is high-risk stuff (4.00 / 2)
Especially since the Alaskan GOP doesn't like her either. And the AK GOP doesn't really have to bend to the national party -- just as the Dems in San Francisco and Northampton, Mass. can tell the DNC to f-off. It is just going to be harder for the GOP to hush this up -- it's not only more than three thousand miles from DC to Ted Stevens International, but there's little leverage I can see.

Compare this to what would have happened if they ran someone from a riskier state (say, the more liberal parts of the South.) Anyone "back home" raises trouble, they can expect little help come re-election time. It's much harder to punish recalcitrants who want to spill the beans up North.


Yup! (4.00 / 1)
See, there's an upside to McCain's seat-of-the-pants foolhardy recklessness, after all!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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headline of the chicago sun-times yesterday (4.00 / 2)
"MAVERICK MCCAIN ROLLS THE DICE"

At what point does the "maverick" label become a liability? We've all been after the media for this lazy kind of reporting ("maverick" McCain is a loyal follower of Bush, what gives), but perhaps we should just let it run. More headlines like this please!


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They Just Think It's Part of His Name (0.00 / 0)
"John Maverick McCain, POW."

After all, it's an alliteration.  And lots of folks like alliterations in their children's names.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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This is the best thing McCain could have done (4.00 / 1)
I have multiple friends who were undecided until Palins was announced as VP. They say NO way will they vote for Mccain now.  

Did he really think he would get women voters just because he had a woman vp?


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Yeah. (4.00 / 1)
The sheer calculated condescension toward the intelligence of women grows more mindblowing by the day. Really unbelievable when you let it sink in.

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yes (0.00 / 0)
I am convinced Palin is hitting the campaign trail with her marching orders to "get those 18 million Hillary voters."

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and by the way (4.00 / 1)
This bears repeating. I was wondering if my analogy to Northampton, Mass. was reasonable. Here's one metric: the total population of "the Happy Valley" (the Pioneer Valley, the sort of "liberal heartland" of Western Mass with all the hippies, back-to-landers, used bookstores, artist colonies and liberal arts colleges) was 686,174 in 2006. The total population of Alaska was 670,053.

Now I love the Pioneer Valley, and lived for a short time just across the border in Vermont. But if I had to rely on the Dems there not to screw over their party to settle some local scores, I'd be truly terrified. They just haven't had to learn "party discipline" the way other, tougher parts of the country have; their biggest threat is the Green Party.


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I think you meant (4.00 / 1)
Monegon, not Wooten, where you say
...while Wooten recieved not a dime.

in the 4th para or so.

However, you're right - there's definitely fire somewhere underneath the smoke.  I've also seen some things that suggest her husband takes an unusually active role in the day to day operation of the governors office.  While it is certainly normal, if not expected, that a governor's spouse plays a role on at least the public relations front, he seems involved in the deliberation in nearly everything that comes out of her office.  Not unheard of, obviously, but his connections to the oil industry at the very least bring up questions of conflict of interest.


Ooops! (0.00 / 0)
I thought I'd fixed that!  Well, now I have.

Her husband's involvement is both consistent with their rightwing views, and quite at odds with the GOP's favored narrative here.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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check out (0.00 / 0)
i've also seen some things that suggest her husband takes an unusually active role in the day to day operation of the governors office.  

check out andrew halcro, formerly of the alaskan legislature, failed independent gubernatorial candidate, now blogger.


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Too New! (0.00 / 0)
I wish he'd learn to time/date-stamp his posts!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Palin as VP (4.00 / 2)
Let's just imagine for a minute that Obama had chosen Palin as his VP.  You know the right wing Christists would go into orbit about a mother of a 4 month old Downs Syndrome baby, not to mention 3 other kids still at home,  agreeing to run for Vice President.  Oh, I can hear them now beating their breasts about the godless Democrats and the feminist woman who would abandon her children for political glory.  The gnashing of teeth would be heard for miles.  They would tear into her like hungry wolves.  There would be nothing left of her sinful self after a few weeks of pounding by the religious right.  But it is just this group that is the most elated by her being chosen by McCain. In fact, she was their favotite candidate for the job.  This just shows the hypocrisy of the evangelicals.  The beliefs they claim to follow themselves are quickly thrown out the window when their political power is threatened.  In fact, I'll bet if you could find these beliefs written down anywhere, there would be a heading at the top of the list saying "Beliefs that All Democrats Must Follow."  Oh, and did I mention, that this woman is an admitted liar?  Just the cherry on the top for the Cristianists!  Wow, a real winner just like George W. Bush!

ok (0.00 / 0)
You have a bit of an issue with Christians (can we not use the pejorative "Christianist"?), but, yeah, you're right. "Heartless career Mom abandons sick child" would be the name of the game.

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You're Mistaken (4.00 / 1)
Just as people who base their religion on their politics and their politics on their religion are called "Islamists" if their religion is Islam, they are properly called "Christianists" if their religion is Christianity.

This is simply a matter of accuracy and consistently.  If anything, it's a sign of respect by not lumping them in together with honest and sincere Christians.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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well (0.00 / 0)
I mean, everything you say is true; you have correctly formed the word by analogy. But it's kind of silly and "too clever by half", in my opinion.

(I do like the phrase "American Taliban", but only because it really really angers the right-wingers. The phrase "Christianist" kind of goes over their head, as it kind of did for me as well.)


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American Taliban goes too far (4.00 / 1)
They get what you mean, so they get outraged. You have overstepped the bounds and are a radical liberal krazy kommunist, who nobody should listen to. It's just too easy to slam as ad hominem - Taliban presented as anti-American and terroristic (against America), not just far-right, intolerant of liberals and religious.

Whereas Christianist is a bit more subtle, and if they fight back against it they have a tendency to reveal that they have no grounds on which to do so.

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ah (4.00 / 1)
I grew up in England, so I know how that works. But I have now been in the States longer, and I've learned that nobody lost an argument by underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

I tease. But the political atmosphere today seems to be that if you're going to be a bit slandering and unfair, you need to be unambiguous and clear (viz. "John Edwards is a faggot." -- if only it were true!)


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I for one (0.00 / 0)
Think "Islamist" sounds stupid too.

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I for one (0.00 / 0)
Think "Islamist" sounds stupid too.

[ Parent ]
I Heard You The First Time! (0.00 / 0)
Or is there just an echo in here?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I AM BAD AT COMPUTER (0.00 / 0)
HOW DO I MAKE IT STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS

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Stop Typing? (0.00 / 0)
You need to be more specific!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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What's wrong with "Christianist"? (0.00 / 0)
It helps distinguish those who use a nominally "Christian" religion as a cover for a political philosophy that in most of its particulars is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus from persons whose lives are actually guided by those teachings. I prefer the term "Bloody Christian" for the former myself, since as a rule they never fail to embrace violence as a first option for any problem, but I think that making the distinction shows more, rather than less, respect for Christian belief.

No society that feeds its children on tales of successful violence can expect them not to believe that violence in the end is rewarded. -Margaret Mead

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i get it (0.00 / 0)
this is a bit of jargon someone invented on the internet; I just wasn't there at the time when we decided this is what the word would mean.

I think "hypocrite" works just fine... as does "religious radical"...

But I think the point of the word "Christianist" is to make people think of "Islamist", and how much they fear and dislike Islam. It's a double edged sword, as of course the right is going to try to call Obama a Muslim. I don't think that whole circuit is a good one for us to be on.

In the end, of course, you have a right to your jargon. But I think it's (a) confusing and (b) a little suspect anyway.


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I prefer theocrat, personally. (4.00 / 1)


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More Accurate Terms (0.00 / 0)
Terms such as Fundamentalist and Dominionist apply here. The terms already exist and are in wide use amongst people who study such issues. There's no need to make up a new term with a vacuous meaning.

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i looked in to this (0.00 / 0)
and I think Dominionism is a really fascinating (and terrifying) phenomenon. Orcinus (the blogger, I mean) taught me a lot about this stuff.

I think people are right that we are sort of lacking a good term for the kind of theocratic rule that's spreading in the country.

But the George Orwell in me detests coinages and "ideologically predetermined" words (like Hitchens and his "Isamlofascism", or all that sort of New Speak whether its from the left or the right.)

Maybe we can just say what we mean when we mean it.


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I Have No Problem With Islamist (0.00 / 0)
which is quite different from "Islamofascist."  And I would have no problem with "Islamofascist" if it were actually derived from a serious historical context.  Which, of course, it is not.  Unless you count comic books.

But, as a matter of fact, the KKK can quite arguably, be considered an example of "Christofascism" or, more properly, "Christian Fascism."

In short, making arguments about language that entirely self-contained within linguistic parameters, resolutely ignoring both history and scholarship, strikes me as utterly absurd.

People are always going to twist and abuse language, and the struggle against this is an unending one.  It should not prevent us from coining terms that serve a useful function just because others will abuse them.  If a word serves no useful function, but serves only to mislead--as with "Islamofascist"--that's a far cry from a decent coinage prone to abuse.  But, as hinted at above, if there actually were Islamofascists, I would not argue against the coinage, even as I would argue stenuously against its misuse and abuse.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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These All Have Different Meanings (0.00 / 0)
"Fundamentalist" is a generally broader term, and "dominionist" is a generally narrower term.  "Christianist" fits in between the two, and is specific to those whose politics is intertwined with Christian texts.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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ps (0.00 / 0)
Paul, I don't mean to hijack your diary, and in the end I don't want to really fight on this issue. I just thought I'd put together all the worries I have about this term:

1. it's not immediately clear what it means (I am a reasonably smart person, and didn't get it.)

2. it's a bit of jargon, and plain speech should be preferred. As a rhetorical slur, it suffers from its subtlety; as an ideologically-loaded term it seems "pushy" or "clubby", a little in-groupy.

3. I think the reason I took it as "anti-Christian" is that I first thought not of the word "Islamist", but of the word "Judaism"; the word "Judaist" is usually just taken as an odd way to refer to someone who's Jewish (and not, e.g., a Zionist.)


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If That Were The Case (0.00 / 0)
Then anyone whose politics derive from a desire to care for the poor and needy based on a religious feeling is a Christianist. And I don't think that's where you're trying to push the term.

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Nonsense! (0.00 / 0)
You're taking my quote out of context--the context of the discussion that preceeded it.

In Good Muslim, Bad Muslim: America, the Cold War, and the Roots of Terror, Mahmood Mamdani explains how the Islamist movements derived from a small number of secular, not religious figures.  They deliberately took up religion as a vehicle for secular ends, wtih the conscious intention that religion in turn wouild move politics in their desired direction.  The same is clearly true of folks like Dobson, who is not a religious leader, as well as folks like Jerry Fallwell, whose political involvements derived from trying to defend his segregationist attitudes against "intrusive government."

What these figures share in common is a concern for political power, and they are quite happy to exploit the uncritical support of people who may or may not agree with their political ends, by using the cover of religion.  Those who follow them knowingly are also properly considered Islamists or Christianists, respectively,  but those who follow them out of sincere religious beliefs are not.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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No True Scottsman (0.00 / 0)
I think I see a logical fallacy here. I don't think it's fair to call charitable, nice Christians the "sincere" ones and the dominionist ones therefore "insincere" ones.

I know which kind of Christian I'd rather have as my next door neighbor, but that doesn't mean that their religion is any more sincere than the other kind.

Liberals have often used religious language in order to support social programs. While I support such social programs, honestly described, that's using religion as a prop in order to achieve political ends.


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Missing an opening... (4.00 / 4)
A Scandal about using Police Administration for personal or party political purposes, doesn't play all that well with other Police and Public Service organizations.  A few have, I believe, endorsed McCain.  Shouldn't they be asked how they feel about political pressure to fire an ex-brother-in-law for reasons involving divorce and child custody, and not professional police causes?  

So Many Opennings, So Little Time! (4.00 / 1)
You're absolutely right, of course!

It's just that there's soooo much scandal here, going off in so many different directions, it's a real challenge just to get close to being on top of any of them.

And to think, this is there idea of a reformer!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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It's great to see this netroots research (4.00 / 1)
and the development of an expanding multimedia database of information and narrative about Palin, McCain's selection of her and McCain's true record and true nature.  

From the snippets I've watched on cable news, they're still mainly in la-la land about the Palin pick.  It would be pitiful if it was not so destructive.

Rather than speculate again about how all this might unfold (others have done good jobs at that), I'll just say that right now I'm feeling really proud of and thankful for this huge, creative and hard-working community we call the progressive netroots.  Its another thing that McCain just doesn't "get" and, in this and other cases, he's likley to pay for his cluelessness.


Paul, (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for all this good stuff!  I agreed with an earlier post of yours that the focus must stay on McCain and his lack of judgement.  This information reinforces that narrative.  My only fear is that somehow clever marketers will find a way to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse and bring out a sympathy vote.  But then I'm always nervous around election time.

It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners -- Albert Camus


There Is Always That Danger (0.00 / 0)
We just need to fight on as many fronts as possible against the spinmeisters.

It's always easier to spin when there's less mass, and harder to spin when there's more, right?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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A far-right Republican unable/unwilling to follow the lawful process? (4.00 / 4)
Who wouldda thunk it?!? This has got to be a first in recent history. Hah!

Clue to the clueless: it doesn't matter in the slightest whether Wooten was Satan himself and had just eaten all of his children. There is a lawful process that has to be followed in such cases, which Palin failed to do on multiple occasions and in multiple ways. A professed disciple of the cherished old principles of "personal responsibility" and "law and order" that the GOP has long claimed solely for itself failed to respect either. THAT is what's so damning here, and there are no mitigating or exculpatory circumstances. So stop your "whining".

Think of it as a milder version of torturegate, where it didn't matter at all whether those tortured were "evildoers" (some surely were, some not), as there were laws and processes involved that were egregiously violated by people who felt that they were above them.

What is it about the law and process that Republicans simply cannot grasp or will not follow? Is it a Jesus thing? I.e. they're such devoted followers of The One True Lord And Savior, that all mortal sins are forgiven? THIS is who McFlippy picked as his VP?

Talk about lack of judgement and temperment. Bring. It. On!

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


Please welcome Spiro T. Palin (0.00 / 0)
So it seems little Sarah is not only the least qualified VP candidate since Spiro T. Agnew, but the most corrupt -- she may well be under indictment by election day, just like her political mentor Ted Stevens.  Can we say Spiro T. Palin?

"A fantasy is not even a wish, much less an act.  There is no such thing as a culpable or shameful fantasy."  -----Lady Sally McGee






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