The Palin-Ferraro Connection

by: Mike Lux

Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 14:30


Between Palin's lightweight political background, the looming investigation of her abuse of power regarding her ex-brother-in-law, and all the other things swirling around about Palin, lots of people are raising Eagleton and Quayle comparisons. Others turn not to past VP picks, but to Bush's disastrous pick of Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court. But I think what will be the most apt historical comparison is Ferraro.
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There is, of course, history being made in both picks. There are plenty of other analogies as well: both are appealing younger women, at least initially; both have some toughness and edge that comes through immediately in their personas; both were able to excite and rally their party's base; both were remarkably inexperienced (Ferraro was in just her sixth year as a junior member of Congress, with no major committee assignments) compared to the vast majority of the previous VP and Presidential nominees.

The biggest similarity, though, is that they both have troubling ethical issues hanging over them: Ferraro and her husband's funky tax returns and Palin's abuse-of-power issues I believe that in the end, the effect on Palin will be exactly the same as it was on Ferraro:

  • The investigation will play itself out in the media and with the opposition party

  • She and her party will vigorously defend her, and she will survive, but the initial excitement of her pick will be deflated and lost

  • She and her running mate will go down to defeat

One of the reasons I wanted to write about Palin was to make the point that while all the work to raise questions about her and define her early is good work, I don't believe that we should over-obsess about her, or spend too much time rushing to chase down every rumor and potentially negative story on her. My view is that her own lack of gravitas and ethical problems will leave her weakened enough that she won't have much of an effect on this race (especially as women swing voters hear more about what a far-out right-winger she is), and that we should keep an eye on the prize: defining John McSame. Ultimately, Presidential elections are determined on the public's views of the candidates running for President, not on the VP pick no matter how weak they are (see Bush/Quayle in 1988). Absent some major new scandal coming out, I'm guessing Palin will weaken the GOP ticket but not be kicked off it.

Update: Okay, folks, I officially admit that I'm starting to re-think this prediction. Every 15 minutes some new damaging piece of info comes forward. She is becoming seriously damaged goods. Maybe the Eagleton comparison will turn out to be right after all.


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what women want (0.00 / 0)
both are appealing to younger women

What's your evidence for this? I thought Palin is more popular among men than women.


I think that he meant (0.00 / 0)
I think that when he said Palin is "appealing to younger women", he meant "Palin is making an appeal to younger women" not "Younger women find Palin appealing"?

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it's a typo. (0.00 / 0)
I am correcting now, but what I meant to say is that both are appealing, at least initially.

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Don't agree (4.00 / 1)
I don't believe that we should over-obsess about her, or spend too much time rushing to chase down every rumor and potentially negative story on her. My view is that her own lack of gravitas and ethical problems will leave her weakened enough that she won't have much of an effect on this race (especially as women swing voters hear more about what a far-out right-winger she is), and that we should keep an eye on the prize: defining John McSame.

This is a golden opportunity. We have shoved McCain into a bona fide Catch-22 that could anchor his polling numbers deep to the ocean floor. Palin has, apparently, left a trail of bodies in her wake, who are now coming back to life, like zombies, to set the record straight. And she appears to be something of a scandal-generating whacko, to boot. In other words, like Pacino in Scent of a Woman (Scent of a Whacko?), we're just getting warmed up!

You say she won't have much of an effect on this race, and that's a good thing? This doesn't make sense. We're not looking for a wash here -- we're looking for a good old fashioned implosion.


yep (4.00 / 1)
Further, the pandora's box of hilarity and scandal that has been the palin selection is all about defining John McSame: his lack of judgment, his rash decision-making, his use of political gimmicry, and his hypocrisy on the experience issue.

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Unstable/Unable 2008! (4.00 / 5)
I agree; the latter description of that ticket simply casts the former in an undeniable light.

And the more Palin is revealed as Unable, the more clearly McCain appears as Unstable.

I actually wanted to write just 'Unstable/Unable 2008!' as a Quick Hit, with no text, but managed to resist ...


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I think its John McWorse (0.00 / 0)
Really, the idea that he would be 4 more years of the last 8 years is wrong.  He is more reckless and impulsive than Bush, less anchored, and even more war-happy.  It would be much worse, and it's time we highlighted that.

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I think the issue is John McNoJudgement not Palin (4.00 / 1)


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I absolutely agree. We need to simultaneously (0.00 / 0)
highlight Palin as an absolute indicator of McCain's judgment in one of the most serious and consequential decisions any president can make, while systematically demonstrating why it  is a literally frightening example of how much danger McCain will place us in.

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Obama and More better democrats need a mandate based on the rejection (0.00 / 0)
of destructive divisive and deeply corrupt philosophies, as well as policies, that are not just out-dated, but exposed as serving a master other than the people of the United States. If you can point out how McCain was serving his handlers form the business and Dominionist right in his party, and thats just exactly like Bush and Abramhof and all the other hypocrites that pretend to care at all, then so be it. Please prove that.

If the election is turned into as sham, however, where people magazine is the most important vehicle for political "discussion" and the debate becomes an ugly personal attack on family and children and who slept with whom then forget it, American will not change.

Keep you eye on the ball.

One of the reasons we watch polling is to l;earn what is happening with and to our neighbours as we all discuss our country. The polling shows an impressed, confident population turning to the decent, straightforward vision of a man who loves America.

Any veering away from that dialog and even if we 'win' that election we are left with a cheapened country a cheapened debate, and no real mandate for change.

Don't become tabloid repeaters just because, the filth is timely and on people associated with our opponent.

McCain made a mistake here. Careful that your eagerness to use it doesnt allow you to make mistakes too.

Sober, honorable actions. This is the path to real victory.

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Judging by Obama's newest commercial (0.00 / 0)
Obama agrees with you.

John McCain won't insure children

Sure, Obama and, to a lesser extent, (4.00 / 3)
his spokespeople, should focus on McCain.

But to suggest that Obama supporters, including the Netroots, should chill out on Palin is wildly wrong.


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Agreed (4.00 / 1)
This sort of thing is what surrogates and/or networked supporters can help with.  Every instance of the McCain campaign having to deal with some Palin-related story takes away time and momentum from the only way they can possibly win the election, which is by tearing Obama down.

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The secessionist thing (4.00 / 8)
seems pretty bad to me. How can McCain put his "country first" if his VP candidate wanted to put "Alaska first"?

It's insane.


Agreed. (0.00 / 0)
I am doing an update of this post, in part because the more I learn re this secessionist thing, the crazier she seems.

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Palin choice reflects poorly on McCain (4.00 / 9)
The less palatable Palin looks to independents and moderate Republicans, and the sloppier the selection process is revealed to be, the more it reflects poorly on McCain. It's not about egg on his face; it's about how it undercuts every media-driven narrative that has been keeping him afloat.

That's why Palin is a much bigger deal than Farraro or Quayle ever were.

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you nailed it (4.00 / 1)
It's not just that she's got problems, it's that those problems specifically undermine every argument McCain has been making either for himself or against Obama - experience, earmarks, country first, etc.  They aren't just tangential character issues, or even just reflecting on McCain's judgement, they destroy the whole campaign message.

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I agree! I agree! :-) (4.00 / 3)
Defining John McCain is still more important than harrassing Palin over lots of unsubstantiated stuff.

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Except when it puts the lie to McCain's brand (4.00 / 4)
like when she hired a lobbyist to secure millions and millions of dollars of earmarks for Wasilla while she was mayor.  

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No need to harrass Palin, or her family (4.00 / 4)
But the amazing lack of judgement that McCain has demonstrated on this issue actually DOES help define him, no?

Also, it undercuts his theme that all of his experience will make him a better president than Obama.  If his campaign staff couldn't figure out how to use google well enough to find these stories about Palin BEFORE McCain chose her, how can he be trusted to put together an effective cabinet?

The key, I think, is NOT to harass Palin, but to use this issue to define McCain as a thoughtless guy that acts on impulse and emotion, rather than any kind of deliberative thought process. Are those good qualities for the US President?

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Here is the line. McCain isn't able to do the job, hes a BushRepublican (4.00 / 1)
like most Republicans in positions of power now. And they have no philosophy beyond serving greed. Thats why we have to remove so many Republicans from the Senate and the House. Not just Bush, but the entire leadership of the republican Party. Thats why Susan Eisenhower's left her party, her grandfather President Ike Eisenhower's Party, because they not only didn't listen to Ike, they brought about what he warned against.

We need the Republican leadership to be soundly rejected, not some small puke of disgust at pregnant children.

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Hmmm... interesting... (0.00 / 0)
...Ferraro basically endorsed Palin the other day...  

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Nothing In Excess (0.00 / 0)
     I think we can spend a few days talking about Palin, always making the point that it's McCain's judgment which is of central importance. We shouldn't still be on Palin after next week, but there's enough there to feed the 24/7 news cycle until attention turns to the anniversary of 9/11, followed quickly by the debates.

Let the Media Do It (4.00 / 1)
I think it looks better coming from the traditional media than from us.  And, since they seem to be actually looking into it now, I think they should take the lead.  Gives us room to look like we're not pushing it.

But, boy is it enjoyable to see.


Palin (4.00 / 3)
The only thing these stories are good for is this week.

Gets the press onto process stories and hunting for scandals up in Alaska instead of covering the Republican convention.

That works for me, since it deprives McCain an opportunity to come back from the edge, until the debates.


I don't think this does Ferarro (4.00 / 2)
justice.  Ferarro was picked by Tip O'Neal for advancement within the party.  She had experience in the tough world of NY politics and in Washington.

Palin has none of that.


she seemed more knowledgeable about the issues (4.00 / 1)
as well. But maybe that's just how I remember things as a teenage girl who was incredibly excited to see Ferraro on the ticket.

I think the other difference is that Mondale was way behind, in a much worse position than McCain. He really had to shake things up. McCain was just stuck because most of the qualified Republican women weren't ideologically good enough for the fundies.

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Also (0.00 / 0)
     Not to point too fine a point on it, 1984 wasn't 2008. Although there had been a women's rights movement in America since at least 1848, women's liberation as a popular movement didn't really get going until the early 1970s. Millions of people responded to the new possibilities for women, and the word "feminist" came into the language. Congress passed the Equal Rights Amendment in 1972, and the fight for ratification continued for a decade. Roe v. Wade in January 1973 for the first time gave women power to decide for themselves whether to terminate an unwanted pregnancy without risking their lives with illegal surgery. The Ferraro nomination was seen as a culmination of that movement, that for the first time ever a woman was on a major-party ticket. People rightly felt that things had come a long way in the right direction in less than 15 years.
    The Palin nomination is much different. By all accounts, Palin is a classic Republican right-winger, who happens to be a woman. It's an attempt to put old wine in new bottles, in order to appeal to a group with which both the party and the candidate are weak--younger white women. Nothing about the Palin nomination suggests that it is a step forward for women's equality in America--far from it. If Palin had her way, all women, even victims of rape and incest, or those to whom pregnancy was a grave health risk, would be denied any choice in terminating their pregnancy, on pain of prosecution for felony murder.
    It's the difference between nomination by a party that believes women should be free and equal, and nomination by a party that believes women should be barefoot and pregnant.

nice zinger (0.00 / 0)

  It's the difference between nomination by a party that believes women should be free and equal, and nomination by a party that believes women should be barefoot and pregnant.


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