How Far Should Obama Be Ahead?

by: Chris Bowers

Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 18:19


No matter what the polls show at any given moment, as long as you frequents progressive circles, it is inevitable that you will hear some variation on the following statements: it shouldn't be this close or Obama should be ahead by a lot more. Part of this is comes from some progressives never being able to understand why anyone would vote for Republicans, a sort of "everyone I know voted for McGovern" provincialism. Mostly, however, it comes from understandable frustration that, after the 2006 victory, with equally large House and Senate gains on tap for 2008, after Bush approval rating dropped to 29%, with over 70% of Americans saying that they don't like the direction of the country, and after a Democratic primary that seemed to turn the entire country into Democrats, people wonder why we aren't cruising to a big victory. We seem to be winning everywhere else, and the country seems to agree with us on just about everything, so why is the Presidential election in any doubt at all?

In the extended entry, I provide perspective on this question.  

Chris Bowers :: How Far Should Obama Be Ahead?
To answer this question, I went back and looked at the national vote results of the 2006 U.S. House elections. Two years ago, Democrats won 52.52% to 44.32%, with 3.16% of the vote going toward third parties. This 8.2% strikes me as a pretty good estimate of where things "should" be, if the Presidential campaign was going as well as other recent elections for Democrats. It is true that Obama has financial parity, or even a slight edge, on McCain and the RNC, whereas in 2006 Republicans enjoyed a substantial edge in campaign fundraising and outside group spending. Then again, two years ago, Democrats ran unopposed in about 25 more districts than Republican ran unopposed, so maybe the 8.2% figure is inflated.

Leaving aside the differences for a moment, let's assume an 8.2% national victory is where Obama "should" be in this election. Given the same number of third-party supporters, and assuming that undecideds break in the same pattern as voters who have already decided, Obama's current advantage of 48.3%--42.7% in the Pollster.com national trend translates into a victory of 51.40%--45.44%. That would put Obama 2.24% below the 8.20% victory target. Under the same conditions assumed above, a lead of 49.4%--41.7% would put Obama exactly at the target number.

So, Obama is actually only 2.1% below where he "should" be, given Democratic performance in 2006. He should be up by 49.4%--41.7%, but instead he leads 48.3%--42.7%. This is lower, but not too much lower, and easily accounted for by some rather obvious factors in the campaign. Specifically, for the past eight years, John McCain has consistently been the most popular Republican in the country, and still has an average favorable rating close to 60%. This isn't something that Democrats have seriously tried to attack, given that only 10% of Obama's ads a re negative, and that every criticism of McCain is always prefaced with profusive compliments about how McCain is a great American. Second, Obama is African-American. A third, and equally obvious factor, is that campaigns really do matter. The quality of a campaign will always impact the final result.

Those three factors can easily account for 2.1%, and actually I am kind of surprised that they don't account for an even larger difference. Perhaps the quality of Obama's campaign is partially canceling out the first two factors. Or, perhaps we are just at a high point, and the national trend will come back to earth soon. Either way, I hope that this post helps provide some perspective to the crowd that regularly asks "why aren't we ahead by more?" At this point, we "should" be ahead by about 7.7%. Subtract the national average at Pollster.com from that number, and usually you will arrive at a fairly small difference of 3-6%. It shouldn't be hard for anyone to imagine that avoiding 3-6% swings in politics is far from guaranteed. That is, it shouldn't be hard to imagine such a swing, unless you are one of those people who doesn't understand why Republicans receive more than 10% of the vote.  


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Or perhaps most of you re unrealistic about presidential politics (4.00 / 1)
2006 was based on Congressional races

As I wrote a couple of months ago here (4.00 / 2)
the best model that considers economic growth and presidential approval predicts a 56-44 victory for Obama.

I am updating it: my guess when I tweak it will predict a 53-47 win.

Remember: these models predict final results and have nothing to say about polling before the election.


almost (4.00 / 2)
I think your prediction is almost right but you are ignoring 3rd parties. Something like 51-46 would be my guess.

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WHEN will you learn: they are already stealing the election!! (4.00 / 1)
This is the thing that frustrates me the most:  supposed progressives, or liberals, who won't even do the "due diligence" to learn about HOW THE last elections: INCLUDING the 2006 midterm elections were STOLEN!!  Why don't you read gredpalast.com, or bradblog.com?? and the thousands of other sites that are already showing how new registrations are being deleted, and caging lists are getting rid of already registered legitimate voters.  What about the electronic voting machines??  Read at the election integrity sites that have REAL EVIDENCE of HOW the election WILL BE STOLEN.  When progressives won't even bother to investigate and then fight for our votes to count, there's no reason to vote.  You'll just blame the democrats who "voted" for the republicans anyway, and this will continue to happen UNTIL you wake up.  Shame on you all!

Ah yes! REAL progressives tell suppoed progressives that ... (4.00 / 8)
..."there's no reason to vote." Real Republicans do, too.

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I know!!!! (4.00 / 3)
I'm still pissed off about Tester and Webb losing in '06!! We got ripped off, man!! We coulda had the Senate!!

That's why I'm not bothering to vote this year!! I'm putting all my time and money into blackbox sites, which understands that ALL CAPS, exclamation marks, and spamming of progressive websites is the best way to save our country!!!  


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Dude... (4.00 / 5)
Chris Bowers has FORGOTTEN more about politics than you will know in your lifetime.  Piss off and be part of the solution.

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EXACTLY!!! (4.00 / 1)
That's why we're so far behind in the polls, because they're stealing our votes!

/snark

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"...the country seems to agree with 'us' on just about everything..." (4.00 / 3)
But does Obama agree with "us" on just about everything?
That is the question.

As Chris has noted, Obama is not about to pursue a progressive agenda.

His comment a few days ago to O'Reilly on Fox News that the "surge" has been a success "beyond our wildest dreams" is breathtakingly stupid.

If Obama is now a champion of the "surge", votes for FISA, doesn't mention civil liberties in his acceptance speech, doesn't say that he will champion a woman's right to choose, talks about Christ dying for his sins... well - doesn't anyone think that this might discourage a lot of voters who "agree with us"?


Disagree on the surge (4.00 / 2)
I watched the interview. He did a pretty good job of pointing out that since the surge began (roughly - yes, the Anbar  Awakening preceded it and played a large role) security has improved and violence has gone way down, but there's been little to no political reconciliation, which was the point of the surge.

As far as I know, everything he said was fairly accurate. His praise for the success of the surge in reducing violence might have been excessive, but politically there's no reason not to since it's widely accepted as a big success, and he accurately criticized the overall strategy the surge was a part of. I don't see a real problem here.


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Problem is, (0.00 / 0)
that "excessive" praise is what generated the sound bite and the Republican talking point. He needs to be wiser about such things.

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electoral college (4.00 / 4)
Unless the day comes when Obama isn't leading in at least all the Kerry states + Iowa and New Mexico, I'm going to continue to feel this election is virtually a lock for the Dems. If 2 weeks from now, the selection of Palin has turned Michigan red and made Pennsylvania a toss up, then I'll worry. Until then all these daily trackers and media concern trolling about why Obama isn't further ahead is just so much noise.

Missing the point (4.00 / 1)
I think you're missing the point.

Dems should be ahead, if only they could stand for and articulate an at least semi-progressive platform. Look at how energized conservatives are over someone who actually speaks to their ideals. If Obama could do that even a little, get more specific on health care, say, or on demilitarizing our national budget or give more details about the tax plan (which is a good start in this direction), and really drive it home the way Palin does, it would pull him away from McCain. Dems have an inherent added advantage in this approach, because Reps have to be deceptive because they really don't want to get lobbyists out of the process or cut pork or reduce govt spending (especially if you include the military) or cut taxes to 95% of people or support special ed or change Washington, which does add to the degree of difficulty when you're going around giving speeches saying you do want to do all those things. But they are pulling it off! Imagine how much easier it should be for our side?


someone really needs to explain that government spending (4.00 / 5)
is 65% accounted for by four items: Medicare, Social Security, the Military, and Interest on the national debt.  These are the four things that you can cut that will make any difference.  

If this was clear to the public, then OBVIOUSLY the solution is to cut military waste (Please click that link), avoid unnecessary wars, streamline our healthcare system, and institute short term tax increases aimed toward generating a surplus, and paying down the national debt in order to decrease those interest payments.

Instead, we just let the Republicans talk in generalities and let it be implied that everything is going to Reagan's welfare queen and her Cadillac.  


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Reactionaries are organized politically in the US (4.00 / 2)
and Leftists aren't.  In fact, there are virtually no real Leftists in the US, certainly not anywhere near as far on the Left as a fundamentalist, reactionary loon like Palin is on the Right.

It's not just our politics that's skewed far to the Right.  That's what Americans are like, too.  This is just a very, very rightwing country by any objective standard.  Well over a century of demonizing Socialists and Communists, and allowing religion to operate as a cover for any kind or hateful, reactionary ideology you can name, has its effect.


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I've never liked that criticism of Obama (4.00 / 12)
I don't like these arguments about how Obama "should" be so far ahead. The named Democrat never seems to do as well as the generic Democrat. Also, the media help McCain avoid responsibility for the Republican record of failure.

Finally, I'll go ahead and say it: Obama is black and has a funny name. That is bound to cost us a few points.

However, I do think turnout in the key demographic groups targeted by the Obama campaign will be way up, and thanks to his ridiculously huge ground game, he will overperform his poll numbers on election day.

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Agreed. (0.00 / 0)
It's just ours and the media's way of dealing with Democratic leads. +4-6% = should be bigger; +2-3%=tied; 0 -+2=losing.  

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thats why I find bowers diary problematic (0.00 / 0)
it's the mentality that leads to capitulation. winning is never good enough. we must be so far a head to assauge his and other peoples insecurities about democratic failures of the past.  

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I don't see this in Bowers' diary at all. (4.00 / 1)
Rather, it's an explanation of reality to the "winning is never good enough" crowd.

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Another factor (4.00 / 6)
was the Mark Foley October surprise.  The polls were not breaking nearly as hard for Dems before that happened as they did in the actual election.  It's unfair to compare Obama's numbers with post-Foley Congressional numbers.

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Also, voters might have inferred that the Dems would end the War (4.00 / 2)
even though Pelosi had explicitly denied that the Party favored defunding the War.

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My concern (4.00 / 4)
about the election derives not from the current poll numbers, which look pretty good, especially when you consider Obama's superior organization. My concern derives from three other things:

1. my conventional (but in the blogosphere, contrary) view that polls are somewhat exaggerating Obama's support, mostly because undecideds will break against the black candidate, as they did during the primary. Bob Herbert spoke to this:

After many years of watching black candidates run for public office, and paying especially close attention to this year's Democratic primary race, I've developed my own (very arbitrary) rule of thumb regarding the polls in this election:

Take at least two to three points off of Senator Obama's poll numbers, and assume a substantial edge for Senator McCain in the breakdown of the undecided vote.

Using that formula, Barack Obama is behind in the national election right now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08...

2. Obama's messaging, both affirmative and negative, which is only sporadically strong and well-coordinated. You hear the right notes; you just don't hear them often or loud enough.

3. The poll numbers, which suggest McCain has a huge advantage on national security. If there's a foreign policy crisis or a terrorist attack, we're in deep trouble.



Yup, it's like the Dems' '06 "strategy" (4.00 / 2)
I.e. don't attack or offend anyone, lay low, and just wait for that anti-GOP wave to sweep you into office. Technically, it might well be a "winning" strategy. But it's incredibly lame, cowardly and stupid, because it doesn't build you a buffer you against unforseen developments, and it forgoes the maximal advantages that you can gain from the situation. If you're already got enough of an advantage over your opponent to win, but with some effort can build upon this advantage, and choose not to, you're being foolish and lazy. And that's what I see Obama doing. Or not doing. He's partly coasting on his lead and other favorable conditions, when he should be pedalling furiously like he's about to be overtaken--or already has been.

Because this race isn't over the day after election day. This is like a stage race, and winning the election is just the second stage (the first having been winning the nomination, which he also coasted through during the last month or two when he realized that he would almost certainly win). The mountain stages are yet to come. This is the easy part, relatively speaking.

I don't know if he's lazy, cowardly, deluded (by his own hype and, yes, celebrity), arrogantly overconfident, or just doesn't care enough. But something's not right here--even if he wins this (and which he probably will). I hope that reality, or some forceful voice of reason, gets through to him soon. Because this is no way to take on the other side--the Rove/Palin GOP.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


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Maybe... (0.00 / 0)
But on could argue that polling models were over estimating Obama's support DUE to his Iowa performances.   As the primary continued, the polls were fairly accurate.

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downt he list (0.00 / 0)
a) The Bradley effect is mostly concerned with exit polls, correct? Why would people lie when they have so many other reasons to justify their vote?

b) We are now in full swing of the election. If Obama's message isn't perfect, then McCain's is a complete mess.

c) Nothing we can do about that. What could any Democrat do about it?


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Well as I said (0.00 / 0)
It's not so much the Bradley effect that worries me, it's the undecideds.

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Yes, but I don't understand what that means with regard to the bradley (4.00 / 1)
effect or for that matter race. I dont see someone who will vote on race being undecided.  

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Can't be "undecided" in an exit poll (0.00 / 0)
Only "refused to answer."

Some mey say they are "undecided" in a poll this far out rather than say not voting Obama.  But McCain is such a perfectly respectable choice I can't see any reason for a Wilder effect in this year's GE polling.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


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you need to compare whatever you think is the overestimate with whatever new registrations are going to do (4.00 / 1)
plus the potential advantage in turnout.  i'm not super worried about the polls as long as he's ahead by a small margin and winning enough of the right states.  i'd be more worried, as pointed out above, about a major event happening that would shift things (beyond governor moosehunter).

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Anyone who (4.00 / 4)
repeats that argument is not looking at the facts.

If the election was held today Obama would win Kerry states + Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico, Virgina and Ohio which would put him over 300 EV's. You need 270 to win.

Obama is within 5 percent in 6 more states (Florida, North Carolina, Missori, Montana, Indiana) and within 6.5 in two more (Georgia, North Dakota).

If he wins all of those it's the biggest blowout in 20 years.

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He would also pick up Montana (0.00 / 0)


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I would add that in several of those states (0.00 / 0)
Obama significantly outperforms any recent Democrat. But as you say- this isn't bout facts. Its about fear.

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i think its surprising (4.00 / 1)
that a black man has this big a lead in a racist nation like the us.

i don't know if obama will be victorious because there are many bigots in the country that will not under any circumstances vote for a black man for anything much less pres, if these people are telling pollsters they will vote dem then the actual numbers may be much closer then they appear, then a very large turnout will be needed to overcome the ignorant ingrained prejudice some in america just cannot seem to eliminate from their psyche.  


Yeah but (0.00 / 0)
these numbers appear to be much smaller than many imagined. They're clustered in Appalachia and all but absent in some very all-white states such as the Great Plains.

He won the white vote in many, many states.


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He won the white vote... (0.00 / 0)

 ...in a pool of Democratic voters.

 Most -- heck, almost all -- non-racists in this country are Democrats (or independents). Voters who frown upon racism are extremely unlikely to identify as Republicans.

 That doesn't mean he can't win the general -- Republican racists wouldn't vote for any Democrat, ever, so there's no real loss there. And who knows how independents will break.

 But Obama winning the Democratic white vote doesn't necessarily translate into his winning the across-the-board white vote. He MIGHT, but it's apples and oranges.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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Agreed. (0.00 / 0)
I'm certainly not arguing there isn't some significant number of folks who will refuse to vote for Obama for racist reasons. But the Dem candidate losing the white vote in the general doesn't prove racism, of course.

What the primaries show is that many millions of white voters who could have been expected to vote against him for racist reasons didn't -- in other words, the lesson we have learned thus far is the opposite of the lesson the commenter above has taken.


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He will win in the West and Midwest (0.00 / 0)
Don;t worry about Appalachia.

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If 2.1% is the total of the difference (4.00 / 2)
That could be accounted for with Southern Democrats and/or Reagan Democrats, who, for decades now, have consistently voted for Democrats at the local and congressional level but Republicans at the presidential level.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

Obama is partly to blame (4.00 / 1)
While he and Biden have attacked McCain here and there, it's been relatively muted and overly civil, of the "I like but disagree with John McCain" variety that was championed by such noted Dem street fighters as Tom Daschle and Harry Reid (and yes, I am totally snarking). They're trying to maintain the hoary old (and totally discredited) "We're above partisan bickering and personal attacks" strategy that wins over no one, and loses them respect in the center. So long as Obama continues to persue this approach, his ceiling will be in the high 40's, and he will be open to attacks from McPalin, that will chip away at his numbers.

He also makes the mistake of coming across as too emotionally cool and detached in his speeches and interviews (and debates), which is simply not going to win over the center that he needs to win. And he sometimes say some pretty stupid things.

I'm listening to his speech yesterday in Duryea, Pennsylvania, on the economy, and when asked what he thinks of H2-B visas (i.e. for hi-tech jobs), his response was that they should basically only be used when there's an important need for professional expertise that cannot be met domestically (which, I think, is reasonable enough--if true in the instance).

And as an example, he said what if someone needs, oh, say, a nuclear physicist, and the only qualified person was from India. At which point, he probably lost half the audience, which is asking itself why something as sensitive and dangerous as nuclear science research needs to be done by non-citizens, who can then take the information they gain from their work back to their home countries--or sell it to others.

I swear, there are times when he comes across as living on his own planet, so divorced does he sometimes seem to be from the political reality that he's thrust himself into. It's like he views the race and the politics behind it as some sort of abstraction, a set of problems that can be solved with a detached, academic approach (or, alternatively, by clever stagecraft and highly skilled oratory). Whah?!? What world is he living in? He's up against the most ruthless, vicious, relentless and talented bunch of ratfuckers that the world has known since Nazi Germany, and he's acting like this is the Oxford Debating Society?

I realize that he's got a great field operation that's registering massive numbers of new voters and doing a great job of getting the word out at the precinct level. But he has GOT to tighten up his messaging strategy at the top, because his aloof and cerebral approach will NOT win over the center, nor protect him against the likes of what was merely hinted at last Wednesday. He's got to ATTACK, not defend, and SELL, not explain. He will probably still win if he does none of this, because the numbers are simply so unfavorable for the GOP this year, and that field operation. But if he wants to win decisively enough to have a mandate for an effective presidency, he has got to make some major changes, and fast.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


I dunno (0.00 / 0)
Ever since Obama officially clinched the nomination, I have been thinking, national polls are meaningless, look at the states, look at the general climate, look at what a terrific candidate we have - we have a tremendous structural edge, we'll kick their asses this time around.

But then, I also thought that after the conventions, the national polls - meaningless or not - should start reflecting those structural advantages. That's the way it seems to have played out in past elections. But right now, I don't see that happening. So I'm starting to think maybe it really will be another close one.

If that comes to pass, I don't think it's Obama's fault. Look at the conventions - Obama's team played national league, Magoo's bush league (or is that Bush league?). I don't know what gives. Except we're trying to elect the first black president in history and as the primaries have shown there's a lot of latent racism in certain parts. Plus if a red-meat-serving Barby Doll can truly not only energize conservatives, but also excite independents, that tells me that independents are low-information voters and generally just probably not all that bright.

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The actual content of the conventions is less important (4.00 / 2)
than the metacommentary about the conventions.  The Palin pick overshadowed Obama's speech, and the fawning press coverage of Palin didn't really help anyone.

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The limits of statistics (4.00 / 3)
Chris:  You and Paul are two of the most brilliant statistical analysts the left has, and I can't say often enough how grateful (despite some of the shit I've occasionally given Paul) I am for your work for the progressive cause, but there are limits to how far this kind of thinking can take you.

Sadly, rationality plays too small a part in deciding national elections.  For as long as I can remember (and I'm in my 60s) elections, and especially presidential elections, have been determined by emotional, rather than rational responses to the candidates.  

You can take all the polls you want that say that umpty percent of Americans agree with Obama on the issues, but you absolutely can't extrapolate that percentage into votes for the guy.  

When a pollster asks "Who are you going to vote for?", what (s)he's really asking is who do you feel the most comfortable voting for?  Who do you "like" the best?  And in America, that can be distilled down further to "Which candidate scares you the least?"

Despite which fiscal/social/security policy they favor, for a good half of this nation, when it comes to politics their controlling emotion is fear - fear in the form of xenophobia: fear of the unfamiliar, the different, the new, the untried - fear of anybody or any thing not like us - not like the way it's always been.

That is the simple, obvious, and irrefutable explanation for the differences between the policy and election polls.  Fear makes otherwise intelligent people vote against their own stated objectives time and time again.

FDR could have been talking about current times for the Democratic party and the progressive movement when he observed that "the only thing we have to fear is fear, itself."  And until we recognize the fear in the electorate, and find "healing" ways of addressing it, we're going to be doomed to more and more years of GWB-type government, no matter what the polls say about universal health care or the economy or anything else, because the Republicans understand that fear.

The Republicans have absolutely no interest in healing the fear.  They've mastered the art of irritating it and keeping it raw and using it to manipulate the electorate with bogus issues like "patriotism" and flag pins and gay marriage and other "scary" stuff.

Until progressives can stop ridiculing and complaining about the comments people make out of fear and start addressing the fear-based community with compassion, and understanding them as otherwise intelligent fellow humans who have been brutally and callously manipulated into an irrational state where they vote against their own best interests, all of our efforts are doomed to accomplishing nothing more than reinforcing their fears and their fear-based voting patterns further.

$0.02

- Stuart

"Ignorance is the most dangerous element in any society." - Emma Goldman


Well-said (0.00 / 0)
Stuart's comment is very much on target. Now that McCain has at least attempted to turn the election back into a culture war, progressives have to be careful not to take this bait (and it is tempted bait). Let's face it: there are large numbers of people, on both sides, who are solidly for each candidate, and plenty who would even "disapprove" of Bush, but would still vote for him (if he were running). This is because they have a certain set of views that fit the party, just like probably all of us have views that would have led us to vote for Hillary, regardless of any other factors.

I'm pretty convinced (though I'd love to see someone with data to back this up) that the swing voters in the middle are there because they are relatively non-ideological voters, or they have an ideology that doesn't match up well with either party (e.g. they are on board with progressive ecomonic proposals, but get nervous when social or cultural issues come up). In either case, I think this middle ground of voters ends up voting on who they "like" the best - like as a person, like as a leader. This may be unfortunate, but it seems true.

Hammering the cultural issues against Palin will alienate this group, not because they love Palin, but because they dislike feeling scorned by politicians. However, hammering McSame/Palin on incompetence, corruption, and irresponsibility will help. What will also help is getting Biden out there and visible - that appearance in PA the other day was fantastic. He was totally working without a script, read the crowd perfectly, had great and earthy stories. He will strike these voters as both likeable and effective. He will seem like he is compassionate toward them, and not overbearing.

Wish it was not this way, but it seems to me that it is.

 


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But this year much fear is economic (0.00 / 0)
And McCain just can;t speak to that, not with any interest or conviction.  Unemployment just hit 6.1%, which is really about 10-11%, and Fannie and Freddie are about to be taken over by the gov't.  Foreclosures will continue.  I think that many, enough at least, voters get who cares about the middle class, and it isn't McWorse and the Hockey Mom.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.

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one criticsm (0.00 / 0)
You are comparing the final win to polling two months out.  You can't really compare the two in my opinion.  At the very least compare to another poll.


Part of this is comes from some progressives never being able to understand why anyone would vote for Republicans, a sort of "everyone I know voted for McGovern" provincialism.

Yeah that wouldn't be me.  

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Not sure I agree (0.00 / 0)
1. Its not obvious to me that the 2006 congressional differential is the best measure of where things stand.  The party identification gap mostly expanded after those elections.  I think that gap itself, which is probably closer to 9-10 points, is probably a better indication of the degree to which the electoral landscape is slanted.  In a vacuum, a party's candidate should be able to lock up his own partisans and compete evenly for independents.

2. As you mentioned at the end, the current pollster.com average is not a particularly good estimate of where the race stands because of the convention bounces still working themselves out.  Obama is +2 in Gallup and even in Rasmussen now.  Its much more likely that the true Obama advantage is in the 0-3 point range, just like it was before the conventions.

3. So we probably are really looking at an underperformance of 6-9 points, which is a lot more substantial than 2.1 points.

4. We nominated a black, former law school professor with almost no experience in politics above the minor league level and who had never run a competitive campaign against a Republican before in his life.  I am enthusiastic about Obama, but it is what it is.  We're facing a former POW who has been branded for two decades as an establishment bucking maverick.  He's a very formidable opponent.  I am still feeling good about the election, but its not a big surprise that we're facing a nailbiter despite the most favorable electoral landscape of the post-war era.



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No Chris, it isn't provincialism (0.00 / 0)
and no it isn't just how well we did in 2006. The reason people feel it should not be close is becaause websites like this were arguing landslide realignment in the Spring. If you weren't, fine, but it was on the front page all the time in the Spring.

It's a bit insulting to your readers to turn and call them provincial and unrealistic now. Where were you int he Spring?


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