Better Bailout Out Of Desperation? NYT: It Could Happen--Soon!

by: Paul Rosenberg

Thu Oct 09, 2008 at 00:10


In a MAJOR reversal, the flexibility to buy shares in troubled banks--as Britain is doing--may be taken up as the primary direction, the NY Times reports. The result would be a giant step toward Paul Krugman's preferred alternative:

Having tried without success to unlock frozen credit markets, the Treasury Department is considering taking ownership stakes in many United States banks to try to restore confidence in the financial system, according to government officials.

Treasury officials say the just-passed $700 billion bailout bill gives them the authority to inject cash directly into banks that request it. Such a move would quickly strengthen banks' balance sheets and, officials hope, persuade them to resume lending. In return, the law gives the Treasury the right to take ownership positions in banks, including healthy ones.

The Treasury plan was still preliminary and it was unclear how the process would work, but it appeared that it would be voluntary for banks.

The proposal resembles one announced on Wednesday in Britain. Under that plan, the British government would offer banks like the Royal Bank of Scotland, Barclays and HSBC Holdings up to $87 billion to shore up their capital in exchange for preference shares. It also would provide a guarantee of about $430 billion to help banks refinance debt.

Krguman on the flip

Paul Rosenberg :: Better Bailout Out Of Desperation? NYT: It Could Happen--Soon!
Prior to the above story, Krugman wrote:

Readers ask what I think should be done about the financial crisis. The answer is, what Gordon Brown in doing in Britain: a bailout, yes, but one that gives the government an ownership stake in the bailed-out institutions. That plus a serious fiscal stimulus plan that includes emergency aid to state and local government.

The Brown plan, by the way, is 50 billion pounds; scaled by GDP, that would be the equivalent of a $500 billion plan here. The headline number would be smaller than the Paulson plan, but the probable effectiveness much, much greater. Not so incidentally, my reading of the TARP as passed is that thanks to the equity participation provisions, it could be converted into a version of the Brown plan at the Treasury secretary's discretion; let's hope that he does so discrete, or something like that, as soon as possible. (Brad DeLong seems to agree; the Brown plan is a close relative of the Elmendorf plan.)

Meanwhile, John McCain's bailout plan manages to take everything that's wrong with the Paulson plan and make it worse. I'll outsource the explanation to Brad.

Brad DeLong provides some backgroud:

Let's back up. For the past month the debate about how to deal with the collapse of the debt-trading portion of America's financial
markets has been between two plans: the Paulson plan and the Elmendorf plan:
  • The Paulson Plan: Have the government buy up distressed securities at market value, thus reducing the supply of high-yield debt securities that the private sector must hold. When you reduce the supply of anything you raise its price. Hence the Paulson plan's $700 billion purchases will push the prices of risky debt securities up, and so companies will then be able to sell their bonds again and so hire more workers, and depression will be averted.
  • >
  • The Elmendorf Plan: Have the government directly invest in and take an equity stake in troubled banks, thus reassuring their depositors and creditors that they are sound. The banks will then be able to profit by buying up distressed securities--hence raising their prices--and by directly lending to companies that will then be able to hire more workers, and depression will be averted.

The argument for the Paulson plan was that the Elmendorf plan was socialism.

So.... Look's like socialism's looking pretty good right now.


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Better...but the devil's still in the details (4.00 / 3)
Just like the government could overpay for bad assets, it could also overpay for an equity state. If they modeled it based on what Warren Buffet got from Goldman Sachs, it might be appropriate, but do you think Paulson's going to do that?

Look at the AIG deal (4.00 / 13)
I had a lot more faith in Paulson than most people did after looking at how he set up the AIG deal.  Here's what we got for setting up an $85B credit line for AIG:

-an 11.5% interest rate on any money AIG borrowed
-a 8.5% interest rate on the rest of the credit line, up to $85B
-79.9% of the stock in the company, through equity warrants

Assuming that AIG doesn't collapse, this is a really sweet deal for the taxpayer.  (Why did we get only 79.9%? because at 80% you have to have a shareholder vote about whether to approve the deal, and Paulson didn't want that getting in the way.)  

After Dodd and Frank put their equity provisions into the bailout bill, I became a big bailout supporter because I thought the government could profit heavily from more deals like this.  It's good to see that those hopes are coming closer to realization.  

As for Paulson himself, it's important to remember that he's an actual Wall Street guy and not a corrupt GOP politician who has gotten used to doing favors for Wall Street guys at public expense.  Driving hard bargains against other Wall Street guys is more of a natural impulse to him than it'd be to, say, Bush or DeLay or McConnell.  Not that I have any tremendous amount of trust in him, but I'm pretty sure that he isn't the worst of the worst.  

Donkeylicious


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Agreed (4.00 / 1)
I am not a Paulson fan but it is also clear he is not your typical Bush hack.  You don't have to like Goldman Sachs or what they do but they are a top flight company.  All you have to look at is their recent CEO alumni to see that - John Corzine, Bob Rubin, Hank Paulson just to name 3.  Two Treasury Secretaries and a Senator/Gov.  Very impressive.

Imagine if we still had Bush hack John Snow as Treasury Secy when this had gone down.  Paulson has made his share of mistakes but that would have down right scary.


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If he wants to bring a corporate takeover mentality (4.00 / 2)
Then I'm all for it. I'd rather buy these banks than buy their crap paper. At least then we get the good with the bad.

Any maybe if the govt. owns these banks, they can impose some rules on credit -- for example, no interest rates above 20%.


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Did we get more stock (0.00 / 0)
after kicking in another $37B this week?

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Awesome (4.00 / 4)
I saw the earlier stuff and new it was a possibility (and posted it on quick hits), but didn't quite let myself believe it would happen.  We've known from the beginning this bill allowed this, which is one reason why many Republicans wouldn't vote for it; am glad to see real evidence it will might go down this way.

Not that I had a vote, but I was almost feeling guilty for supporting this plan.  The "Bush is evil" logic is hard to get past, even though I tend to think Paulson doesn't want to go down in history as assuring Great Depression II.

We'll see, of course, but I'm hopeful.


Yeah, I Think Paulson's Scared Of The Judgment of History (4.00 / 5)
I don't think he intended to do right.  I think he's being forced into it.  He has no choice.

It won't be optimal, by any means, but it has to be much better than originally proposed, simply in order to work.  And I'm hoping that Paulson realizes it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Good! (4.00 / 1)
Now, would the money to buy these ownership stakes come out of the original "$700,000,000,000"? Or is this Paulson throwing another half-trillion here, another half-trillion there...?

Yes (4.00 / 5)
And by the way, it's 350 billion. After that he has to go back to get approval for the rest and by that time we'll have President Obama.

John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

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No, This Would Come Out Of The $700 Billion (4.00 / 5)
If we're lucky, it would be a complete change-over.

As of now, it's only a possibility.  But what they were orgiinally planning hasn't reassured anyone, so they're scrambling.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I will be shocked. (4.00 / 1)
Happy but shocked.  We'll see.  I might even vote for Obama then. =-)

my understanding is that the bailout bill that passed (4.00 / 4)
did contain provisions for government equity.

It just left the decision of whether to ask for equity, and how much, up to the Treasury secretary's discretion. Also, the Treasury secretary can at any time surrender the equity warrants back to the bank they're drawn on--again at his sole discretion.

So really, the authority is already in place. The problem is that no one can make Hank Paulson exercise that authority in a fashion beneficial to the people.

This sounds like a hopeful development insofar as it means that at least a few people in Washington are still in contact with reality, but I'm not going to get terribly excited yet. Especially the "new direction"  doesn't include a plan for identifying the bad banks and rehabilitating them.


Public ownership of the financial industry (4.00 / 3)
Has been a holy grail for American socialists for quite some time. If this happens, even Paulson backs into it, it's an enormous victory and an unprecedented opportunity to make some long overdue changes in this country.

Of course I am probably one of the few self-avowed socialists on these blogs, so I dunno if anyone else is going to see it this way. But perhaps this will make nationalization more palatable to the public, and that works for me!


i'm sort of a socialist too (0.00 / 0)
at least emotionally, and i don't buy it.  One it will partial nationalization.  Two, it will most likely be temporary, though you never can tell which way these things go (e.g. Harold Wilson).  Three Americans are so ideologically averse to the word "socialism" and things are so bad that I would prefer simply measures to socialize costs rather than gains right now.  If you want structural changes, how about a right to housing.  It's social welfarist, but it might do people more good.

It's a bit like when immigartion advocates got what "they wanted" - which was a split between the enforcement and service wings of INS in the new immigration.  Except both are now under the umbrella of "national security" rather than "law and order" (let alone "labor" or "economics" as they used to be).

But jury's still out - like i said, you never know how these things go - but if the Depression/New Deal/post war era is any example, what the U.S. population gets is half a loaf of what people in other  rich countries get.  Or so the conventional wisdom goes...


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Churchill's line appropriate here? (4.00 / 1)
Paulson will do the right thing once he has exhausted all other alternatives?

The crap plan isn't reassuring anyone, building up any "confidence", nor is it addressing the real problem of badly insolvent institutions who therefore can't lend to anyone (not just other banks).  So Paulson is forced into taking the good plan that Dodd and Frank inserted into the bill on an optional basis?

That'll sure be cool if it happens.  Especially because having tried to pass a Sweden plan explicitly, with only Democratic votes, a Bush veto threat, and a McCain vote against, would have been really fucking difficult in a whole lot of ways.

A bunch of GOP votes for what turns into a Sweden plan might actually restore my faith in Dodd and Frank.  


they would never get the votes (4.00 / 1)
so they went with unlimited authority and a finance capital czar who can do what he wants.  If Paulson decides recapitalization is in order, that's what we'll get.  If Paulson decides liquidity is the problem, that's what we'll get.  The bill is still immensely problematic - but it's a reflection of political realities, I guess.  The process was still f@#ked and that matters to me.

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Within Paulson's Discretion...But Not Sure It Will Work (4.00 / 2)
As many of us have noted, the bailout bill gave Paulson essentially dictatorial power to do virtually anything he wants, with anyone he wants, at any time.

So assuredly, if he so wishes, Paulson has been given the power to spend billions of dollars in taxpayer money buying securities from banks (to use the terminology of the hour "injecting capital" into banks)...or anyone else for that matter. (Paulson is going to make some people very, very rich.)

But it is not clear to me that "injecting capital" into banks will stanch the bleeding. How much capital injection is needed if every depositor wants their money out of the bank...now? How much capital injection is needed into the banking system if every hedge fund investor wants their money out...now? How much capital injection is needed into the banking system if every mutual fund investor wants their money out...now? The system is not equipped to handle this sort of scenario. There is simply not enough cash to go around if this were to happen.

As I see it, unless and until the world's financial system reaches an equilibrium position (or rough consensus position) on just how many people want "out," (ideally for the system very few) credit will not flow normally.  

Instead, financial institutions, including banks, will prudently crave and horde cash. They will not let it go because of what they see looming on the horizon. To weather that storm, they need cash reserves of...what? 2%? 20%? 50%? You tell me.

And hedge funds? And mutual funds?  Where are they going to get all their cash?



Forget Barack and John; Joe and Sarah (4.00 / 1)
THIS is the guy I want to have a beer with:

"As many of us have noted, the bailout bill gave Paulson essentially dictatorial power to do virtually anything he wants, with anyone he wants, at any time."


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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So This American Life WAS right! (4.00 / 2)
They said this provision had been quietly inserted into the bill, but that details were sketchy at the time they were doing the story.  What a relief.  You know it's a good plan when the executives of the banks don't like it since it could limit the amount of money they get.

You owe it to yourself to listen to This American Life's fantastic and common-sense explanation of the economic crisis.

that's the problem (0.00 / 0)
because I believe that it's at the discretion of the banks.  Treasury can offer them the money.  That's what the NYT article made it sound like.

Let's not forget who got this into the bill.  Senator Dodd.

We now go back to your regularly scheduled "anyone who voted for this bill is a traitor" messages.

Insert shameless blog promotion here.


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It's Still A Bad Bill (0.00 / 0)
Even if circumstances turn out to force them to use what was only an option, not the main intent of the bill.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Hmm (0.00 / 0)
So I think I'm definitely happier if Paulson uses his authority here to adopt something more like the British plan, or what he already did with AIG on a larger scale, over the "buy toxic assets which by definition aren't worth anything" plan.

But this line from the NYT article confuses me:

Having tried without success to unlock frozen credit markets

Wait, "having tried"? What have they tried? My understanding was that the bailout program hasn't actually started yet, that they were still setting it up. All they've "tried" so far that I'd heard was that they'd announced "uh... we'll start doing some indeterminate stuff, with some people, in November!" and then reacted with surprise when this didn't immediately cause the Dow Jones to jump. Did I miss something?


Its all about trust (0.00 / 0)
If the plan was going to work it would have restored trust by now.

Fortunately with nationalization its much more of a threat to these companies so if paulson gets 51% of the company he can force the banks to loan.

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Non-voting stock (0.00 / 0)
Paulson can only get non-voting stock (or promise not to exercises voting option), so I don't think he can use the purchase to force purchased companies to do anything.

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they've repeatedly tried ad hoc solutions (4.00 / 1)
over the past year.  interest rates, arranging for the takeover of washington mutual, etc.

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Each attempt more fool hardy than the last (0.00 / 0)
They will plunge forward until the reigning ideology succeeds or we are ruined:

This is the Bunker Mentality for 20th Century Civilization.

We ought to be building a future, not rescuing the past.


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Socialism has always looked good, Paul (4.00 / 1)
When properly applied to the right targets. Hell, even such capitalist stalwarts such as Andrew Carnegie and Teddy Roosevelt "got" it, over a century ago. Why it's been a dirty word in this country for so long is beyond me. In Europe they're called Social Democrats and in England they're called Labour, and no one seems to have a huge problem with that.

Of course, I'm preaching to the choir here (or is it preacher--or perhaps rabbi?). :-)

In any case, I felt that this was the right approach to the meltdown from the start. You don't "save" or "bail out" or even "rescue" failed (not to mention corrupt and dishonest) companies. You buy them out, at discount, guarantee their creditors, also at discount (they should have run better models when there was still time, if they don't like it, and should feel lucky that they're getting anything), take over their assets, and then figure out what to do with it, keeping whatever staff on hand as is necessary to sort it all out and keep things humming.

It's the bankruptcy model, writ humongous, with the government being the trustee. Massive scale, same principle. These securities are rocket science. The core approach for dealing with the mess that they've helped cause, not so much.

And no spa treatments for anyone!

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton


If we're gonna be socialists: (0.00 / 0)
"spa treatments for EVERYONE"

Those massage therapists need work too!

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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At some point the flaws in Capitalism become (0.00 / 0)
impossible to ignore or paper over and the only solutions become "socialist" ones.

In that same vein it may be that the only universal health care system that can be afforded is a single payer one, no matter how much Obama et. al. would like to have one more friendly to insurance companies.

Or am I a choir member singing to the preacher?

Jeff Wegerson


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In other words: the bailout plan, as enacted, could work (0.00 / 0)
If the authority for the "socialist" response was provided for in this bailout plan - and is actually exercised - then shouldn't all the critics of it admit it is not so bad after all?


No (0.00 / 0)
If everyone was praising it would they feel as pressured to use those previsions ?   I don't think they would.

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Because It Was Only An Option, And No One Thought It Would Be Used (4.00 / 2)
It really is a terrible plan as written.  It's just that it can be implemented to be much better.  But it's like a benign dictatorship.  A happy accident, not a plan.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Maybe some supporters did think it would be used (4.00 / 1)
I'm just throwing this out as a possibility.  I didn't even know the authority existed under the law. But I can imagine a real savvy insider recognizing that this path would be followed eventually.

I know Krugman predicted that some degree of nationalization would occur, though I don't know if even he understood the bailout plan created such authority.


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Krugman Knew (4.00 / 1)
It was common knowledge that this authority existed, and some even used its existence to argue for supporting the bill.  But it was clearly not what they intended to do, so that argument appeared pretty lame.  But the continuing loss of confidence has changed the situation considerably.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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simple simple analysis (0.00 / 0)
if defaults on mortgages and home equity loans (in addition to all the other things we know about like deregulation and companies too big to fail and all that) are causing mortgage based securities to go bad.
and this has led to banks holding bad assets.
wouldn't the easiest thing have been for the government, a year ago, to buy the bad mortgages?  How much would that have cost, especially as they became increasingly undervalued?

That would have a) allowed people to stay in their homes b) stopped the contagion from spreading and there would have been no banks going under c) wouldn't have led to a credit crisis because the toxic sector wouldn't have been toxic anymore.

Maybe it's too late, but somehow, I doubt it.  The problem remains,  no?

As someone else said, HOLC.


By Nature Paulson Is A Shark (4.00 / 1)
Getting the best deal is in his DNA whether it is for himself, his company, or in this case his country.

I think he will get a good deal for the taxpayers and who knows, maybe he is angeling for a position in an Obama cabinet.  


Paul, in the realm of ideas, (0.00 / 0)
buying equity should destroy the market fundamentalist world view for a very long time.  It opens new possibilities, if we seize them.

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