For Folksy Primaries

by: Mike Lux

Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 19:15


Matt Yglesias slaps me around here in a piece entitled "Against Folksy Primaries" for my post here waxing rhapsodic on the Iowa caucuses, saying,

…it's hard to see how any liberal can be happy, at the end of the day, with the distorting effect the disproportionate influence of Iowa and New Hampshire have on our politics.

His argument is that Iowa and New Hampshire are too white to be good starting places for the presidential process.

I agree with him on one level. Iowa and New Hampshire are way too white to be ideal starting places for the presidential campaign. As much as I love my old friends in Iowa, I think it's an unfortunate historical accident that those are the first two states. I would prefer that other small states be the first two- New Mexico, Nevada, Arkansas, Wisconsin, Missouri would all be better beginning states because of their racial diversity. That's why I was delighted that Nevada and South Carolina were selected to move up on the calendar by the DNC to provide more influence.

But here's the deal: for all the reasons I argued in my earlier post, and more beyond, I still believe passionately in small state starting this thing. How else will presidential candidates ever be face to face with real voters for such a sustained period? Matt never answers that question, but I think it is essential- I think it is the one thing standing between the presidential races being 100% about money and symbolism.

Tell me why I'm wrong…

Mike Lux :: For Folksy Primaries

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that isn't what wins generals (0.00 / 0)
When it comes to who makes the starting team in basketball, a coach would be mad to determine it by who can make free throws.

Winning the primaries should reflect the skills necessary to win the general.

(and I'm from a way smaller state than you)

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True enough. (0.00 / 0)
But IA and NH are both swing states, and all of the states I said I would be happy with being early states are as well. And to win the swing states in the midwest and west,even the bigger ones like Ohio, you have to win a lot of rural and small town votes.

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Your comment must have a title/subject. (0.00 / 0)
Congressional districts are smaller than most states.

You're not totally wrong (0.00 / 0)
Presidential candidates go into a bubble pretty quickly. Campaigning in small states forces them to talk to people outside of the DC establishment.  That is a good thing.  As a NH person, I think you are wrong about NH and Iowa; you can keep the tradition established by the two states and gain diversity by doing something like the DNC tried to do for this cycle (I say "tried" because Florida and Michigan have undercut the effort) by having another caucus and another primary in the pre-window.



The one thing. (0.00 / 0)
You're not wrong, but if starting in small states is the one thing standing between the presidential races being 100% about money and symbolism, then what are the things standing between presidential candidates and money and symbolism?


In small states, (0.00 / 0)
you have to talk to real people, answer their questions, listen to their concerns. It takes you out of the bubble, and forces you to deal with real substance.

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Money and symbolism is better than small primaries (0.00 / 0)
Candidates like Edwards who are massively out of touch with the democratic party as a whole get a greater chance at winning the primaries and losing the national election because democrats wont turn out for them.



To clarify (0.00 / 0)
If my earlier comment seems unclear what I mean is candidates can win by appealing to a state's issues instead of the nations.

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A legitimate concern, (0.00 / 0)
but I can't think of a single candidate that ever won the IA caucuses because of their stirring speeches on farm subsidies. People choose their presidents on deeper things than parochial issues.

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Still don't see it (0.00 / 0)
Are you saying that Edwards is only talking about issues that are important to Iowa? I don't think so, poverty and Iraq seem to cross state lines. 

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? (0.00 / 0)
Why do you say that Edwards is massively out of touch with the Democratic Party?  I don't see that.

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I didn't get that comment either. (0.00 / 0)


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Let the order be decided by the electorate (0.00 / 0)
I've felt for some time that the order of primaries should be based on the degree to which the states were divided in the last Presidential election. That means that the state with the closest margin of victory should hold the first primary next time around, the next closes margin of victory would be second, and so on...

Which means, of course, that Ohio would be #1 this time. Imagine the kind of primary season THAT would be!


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