The Versailles Freak Out In Historical Perspective

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Oct 26, 2008 at 12:45


David's been tearing things up lately with a series of posts on how Versailles is freaking out over the fear that Obama just might keep a campaign promise or two.  Well, no, it actually goes a bit deeper than that.  But not much.

The reality here is something I wrote about in a diary series last February, "Three Waves And A Wall: 2008 And The American Future", and now that the election is upon us, with early voting well underway, I thought it would be a good idea to revisit that series and some of what it had to say.  I started things off in a more down-to-earth way with "The House Vote and the Shape of Things To Come".  Now I want to pull back and talk about things from a broader perspective.

My premise in the series was simple: we are living through a time in which powerful historical forces for change on three different time-scales are pressing us forwards, and confronting an historically unusual barrier, for America-the power of rightwing hegemony infused into the conventional wisdom. In the initial diary of the series I described the three wave thus:

Paul Rosenberg :: The Versailles Freak Out In Historical Perspective
In ascending order of scope, there three waves are:
  1. The roughly 32-40 year cycle of American Party Systems, described by political theorists such as V.O. Key and Walter Dean Burnham.
  2. The rise and fall of successive world powers-Spain,
    Holland, Britain, and now us-described by former GOP uber-guru Kevin
    Phillips in Wealth and Democracy: A Political History of the American Rich.
  3. The recent wave of "post-materialist" values surveyed on a worldwide basis over the past several decades by the World Values Survey, and described most fully in the work of social scientist Ronald Inglehart.

And I said:

These three waves all converge on this November's election, and in doing so, they confront a wall-the intensely fortified network of rightwing organizations and their "moderate" and "centrist" enablers that have maintained a recklessly destructive regime in power, despite its fundamental attacks on principles dating back at least as far as 1215 (habeas corpus, from the Magna Charta).

The wingnut extreme has been largely exposed, and discredited, but those I called "their 'moderate' and 'centrist' enablers" are, if anything, more powerful than ever, expanding into the power vacuum the collapse of the far right has created.  They are the ones David's been writing about, and I'd like to join him on the flip.

My original formulation may seem a bit dated, since the wingnut collapse has left the more centrist forces in a more commanding position.  However, what they command is largely a terrain that the wingnuts have created, and what they are defending against change is the wingnut legacy.  Still, it's helpful to note a somewhat different formulation that throws a useful light on things: Versailles has two parties-not the Republicans and Democrats, but the wingnuts and the bipartisans.  Real Democrats, even relative policy moderates such as Howard Dean, do not have a place in Versailles.  Only "Democrats" who buy the "bipartisan" catechism are allowed:  Fox News Democrats, Blue Dog Democrats, Wall Street Democrats, DLC Democrats, "pro-business" Democrats, pro-war Democrats, and of course, "Independent" Democrats who had dreamed of being John McCain's Vice President.

Earlier this year, Glenn Greenwald put together a little list showing how "bipartisanship" works to empower Bush [slightly reformatted]:

In almost every case, the proposals that are enacted are ones favored by the White House and supported by all GOP lawmakers, and then Democrats split and enough of them join with Republicans to ensure that the GOP gets what it wants. That's "bipartisanship" in Washington:

To support the new Bush-supported FISA law:
    GOP - 48-0  / Dems - 12-36
To compel redeployment of troops from Iraq:
    GOP - 0-49  / Dems - 24-21
To confirm Michael Mukasey as Attorney General:
    GOP - 46-0  / Dems - 7-40
To confirm Leslie Southwick as Circuit Court Judge:
    GOP - 49-0  / Dems - 8-38
Kyl-Lieberman Resolution on Iran:
    GOP - 46-2  / Dems - 30-20
To condemn MoveOn.org:
    GOP - 49-0  / Dems - 23-25
The Protect America Act:
    GOP - 44-0  / Dems - 20-28
Declaring English to be the Government's official language:
    GOP - 48-1  / Dems - 16-33
The Military Commissions Act:
    GOP - 53-0  / Dems - 12-34
To renew the Patriot Act:
    GOP - 54-0  / Dems - 34-10
Cloture Vote on Sam Alito's confirmation to the Supreme Court:
    GOP - 54-0  / Dems - 18-25
Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq:
    GOP - 48-1  / Dems - 29-22
On virtually every major controversial issue -- particularly, though not only, ones involving national security and terrorism -- the Republicans (including their vaunted mythical moderates and mavericks) vote in almost complete lockstep in favor of the President, the Democratic caucus splits, and the Republicans then get their way on every issue thanks to "bipartisan" support. That's what "bipartisanship" in Washington means.

Given that Obama went along with this sort of "bipartisanship" on FISA, it seems quite likely he will go along with them on much else, as well, no matter how much he may owe his advancement to the support of progressives.  And just in case he gets any funny ideas, the folks David has been writing about are there to make sure it doesn't lead to anything real.  Let's take a look at the passage David quotes from Howard Fineman, for example, breaking it down a bit into bit-sized pieces, starting here:

Much of America may be gung-ho about putting more troops into Afghanistan, but it's not clear Obamaworld is; he could run into opposition if he seriously pursues it.

Three things bear noting:

(1) It's quite clear putting more troops into Afghanistan would be a disaster.  Keeping troops there in 2002 is one thing-though even that would be debatable.  Trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube is quite another.  See my diary, "RAND: Not 'Wrong War' But 'War Wrong' For Fighting Terrorism", which reports on the expert view that the military is simply the wrong tool for combating terrorism. Listening to experts!  What a crazy leftwing loonie idea!

(2) Contrary to Fineman, it's not clear that "much of America" is "gung-ho about putting more troops into Afghanistan."  Quite the opposite.  They had to be tricked into supporting the invasion of Iraq, because the American people are not inherently intervensionist anymore.  It's not clear that they ever were, in fact.  They may support military action if it's pressed upon them as a necessity, but this does not consitute being "gung-ho."  The ones who are all gung-ho are the elders of Versailles.  They are always excited about the prospect of someone else getting killed for their amusement.

(3) It's not clear that "Obmaworld" is quite up to speed on the downside of putting more troops into Afghanistan.  When Obama first suggested this, it seemed a lot more appealing than it is today, and precisely because of this, the amount of troops we're talking about has expanded-with unlimited growth potential-while the propects for "success" have vanished.  Obama seems oblivious to this-though perhaps just for campaign purposes. "Obmaworld" may well be oblivious as well.  Main reason: there hasn't been a public debate.

But if "Obamaworld" doubts about it were to stir a debate, and that debate got us listening to experts (see #1 above), and that listening lead us to actually developing an effective counter-terror strategy, then how, exactly would any of that be a bad thing?  

On the other hand, initiating talks with Iranian and Venezuelan dictators enjoys more support on his e-mail lists than in the rest of the country.

Note To Howard Feinman:

(1) Venezuela doesn't have a dictator.  You must be thinking about New York City.  Venezuela has an elected president. Unlike ours, he was not elected 5-4.  He won in a landslide.  And when he wanted to change the law and remove term limits, he put it to a vote of the people, unlike Michael Bloomberg.  When the people voted "no", he accepted it.  What kind of dictator is that?

(2) For that matter, Iran doesn't have a dictator, either.  They, too, have a president, who was elected largely because we threatened Iran so badly that moderates voted for him, just to send a message that they would not be intimidated by us.

Thus, the very premise of your statement is a lie, invalidating everything that follows.

If the Democrats win bigger majorities in the House and Senate, they (if not Obama) may well be eager to exact vengeance on Republicans, or at least cram Democratic ideas down GOP throats. Obama supporters might prefer more reaching-out.

This is so incoherent, it makes me long for Feinman's outright lies.  What's he got in mind when he talks about "exact[ing] vengeance"?  Enforcing subpoenas, maybe?  They haven't been all too eager to do that over the past 2 years, quite contrary to what Nancy Pelosi said two years ago right around this time.

And what about "cram[ing] Democratic ideas down GOP throats."

(A) Isn't that, generally what winning elections is all about?

(B) You mean, specfically, like cutting taxes on the middle class? Mortgage relief? Investing in green energy?   Health care reform?  

As Marshall sees it, most of them want a "transpartisan" approach that jettisons the old labels. "These people feel a close, personal tie to Obama, just as conservatives did to Reagan," he says. "But if and when he starts governing, he is going to start disappointing them."

Will Marshall, who "studied the Obama organization for the Democratic Leadership Council."  It's easy to see where Feinmen gets his incoherence from.

In short, this entire passage is entirely divorced from empirical reality, every bit as much as the Bush Administration, as famously chronicled by Ron Suskind.  Indeed, there is no fundamental difference between the two: the wingnuts and the bipartisans are two sides of the same coin. They are the symbiotic political duopoloy that rules Versailles.  And ultimately, the battle for the realignment of American politics and the rebirth of America depends on defeating their power above all else.


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This is the 2007 Consensus! (4.00 / 1)
We're now in Brave New World territory where Bush is forced to move to nationalize the banks. In this climate, the original conservative plan to hem Obama in the way they did Clinton by an obsessive focus on the deficit and saying "you can't do that!" to every proposed initiative -- all that's out the window.

This current crisis is only the tip of the iceberg and massive government intervention in the economy is going to be necessary to stabilize the system and prevent another Great Depression. The nodding heads of "responsibility" may not like it but they have zero choice -- any more than they had a real choice but to accept the New Deal if capitalism was to be saved from itself in 1933.

James Galbraith just talked eloquently about this on Bill Moyers:


BILL MOYERS: Is it possible that the adrenaline of fear could push us over the brink into panic so that we stop acting rationally or deliberately?

JAMES GALBRAITH: Fear is a factor. But we have an enormous advantage over our predecessors in 1929. We have the fact that the New Deal happened. And we have the institutions of the New Deal, though they have been badly damaged in the last decade, they are still with us. We have deposit insurance. We have Social Security. We have a government which is capable of acting as the lender of last resort, which can borrow and spend as needed to deal with this crisis.

So here in the United States the capacity to handle the crisis exists. What we need is a government that's willing to use that capacity, that believes in it. And that's where the collapse of the old objectivism of Alan Greenspan is such a fundamental feature of the present situation, and very timely. With the collapse of that system of ideas perhaps the way will be cleared for thinking afresh and clearly about the problems that we face and how to solve them.

BILL MOYERS: Well, they have been acting as born-again believers in government intervention.

That pretty much sums up the beltway "consensus." The old "bi-partisan" crap remains, but the targets they are defending have shifted out of all recognition.

Remember that Roosevelt wasn't in FAVOR of creating a New Deal, he simply did what was necessary to restore business confidence and shore up the system, restore a modicum of labor peace and provide retirement security for ordinary Americans to wean away from radicalism.

Obama is going to be forced by events to be FAR more radical than he planned, far more radical than anybody would have believed possible six months ago.


I Agree, Mostly (4.00 / 1)
Though FDR has retroactively been made more conservative than he actually was.  He did promise a "New Deal" on his own at the convention, and he did have a pretty progresive record as governor of New York.

I'd feel a whole lot more confident right now if Galbraith were part of Obama's inner circle, rather than being a utility outfielder, which is what he seems to be at the moment.

On the plus side, of course, Galbraith is right that we have one great advantage this time out: we already know that the New Deal worked, and therefore we have a model of what to do.  Of course we can't copy it exactly, nor should we want to.  But the general outlines are fairly clear, and go directly contrary to the "Ooops!  Nevermind!" policies that got us into this mess.

There's only so long that Obama can afford to ignore that.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Differences between right and center (0.00 / 0)
Your formulation of the three waves, and their crashing against a right-wing and centrist/moderate enabler coalition, is very insighful. I wonder, though, whether there will be no fundamental difference between the wingnuts and the bipartisans.

The right wing will become increasingly isolated, at least for  time. That means that some, maybe most, of the centrists will migrate to and/or try to influence the Democratic Party, becoming one part of a new center-left coalition. Of course, they will criticize the Democrats using outdated and discredited themes about bipartisanship, that this is a center-right country, Americans support intervention, fiscal restraint, etc. They will be there to defend and maintain the status quo ante. The centrists will simultaneously oppose the right wing and progressives.

Hopes for realignment and the rebirth of America do depend on defeating their power. But I think it's not helpful to say there is no difference between the right and the center. It might be more helpful, in terms of defeating them, to discuss the ambiguous position of the center under the new circumstances, and how the necessary theme/philosophy of "we're all in this together" can be pushed to the left.

In this context, Chris's theme about reforms that can increase progressive power (his term escapes me at the moment)--net neutrality and media reform, immigration reform, the Employee Free Choice Act, election reform--is particularly relevant. Given the economic crisis, I would add to this list, to include universal health care and the kinds of New Deal economic reforms that provide support for the real economy and security for ordinary people in worsening economic times, such as mortgage and debt relief.

P.S. what does the term "Versailles" mean? It always confuses me, because it brings to mind the Versailles Treaty that ended World War I.

 


Verasailles As In Marie Antoinette, etc. (0.00 / 0)
Yes, of coure they are different. They are the two parties. But they assume each other, which makes them two halves of the same dyad.  The decisive struggle is to totally change that entire dynamic.

I don't think we disagree, we're just coming at this from slightly different angles, which is all to the good.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Versialles refers to the entire state that sourrounded the Sun King (4.00 / 1)
The French Kings at Versailles were entirely unitary powers, coughs and farts were policy. This is not an exaggeration. The French court then identified itself as part of that, as part of the culture of the only one who ruled, identity springing from ones encasement inside the court of the sun king -Louis. Everyone not Louis is not a ruler, has no power except flattery of the centre of power.

So despite there being no power shared or any form of self rule or democracy or responsibility to anyone: favored people could identify themselves as court members, and an even larger population identified themselves the same way gaining what benefit that might provide.

One of the best ways of thinking about the use, besides using google to search its use here and everywhere, is to think of the entire media class of reporters who think of themselves as part of the court that is responsible for governing America. ie not Helen Thomas.

There are others beside the media that feel more powerful by subsuming themselves to "mainstream thinking" or a 'greater responsibility' but its easy to see it there.

The chattering class of the ruling ideology.

However the Versailles congress critters are easy to spot too.

Change
"We must break up the banks and never again let them get so big that they distort our politics and take down the economy.


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Versailles (0.00 / 0)
    Versailles was where the French Kings from Louis XIV down through the Revolution had their royal court.
    "Versailles" in this context means the sycophants in the media and government who cluster around the seat of power. The D.C. Establishment. They are hopelessly out of touch with what is actually happening in the society, but believe that they are the true insiders, the only ones who really understand what is involved in governing. They have contempt for political outsiders and common people.

Iran (0.00 / 0)
(2) For that matter, Iran doesn't have a dictator, either.

Ah, no.  Iran does have a dictator and his name is Ali Hoseyni Khamene'i.

They, too, have a president, who was elected largely because we threatened Iran so badly that moderates voted for him, just to send a message that they would not be intimidated by us.

True, but that is a different guy.

There is a weird dynamic between the various branches of the Iranian government, where the elected have some say in who is appointed and the appointed have say on who can be elected.  One could imagine the place being a true democracy under the same constitution, but that is not the case today.


Yeah, But He's Not The Guy The Wingnuts Fulminate Against (0.00 / 0)
And he's not really a dictator in the classic sense.  This can be seen simply in the amount of description that's necessary to talk about his powers.

One could imagine the place being a true democracy under the same constitution, but that is not the case today.

One could almost say the same thing about America.

Constitutions are funny that way.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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What campaign promises? (0.00 / 0)
It seems to me Obama has promised very little beyond vague bromides (all to his credit, btw, as it increases his flexibility once elected). Some of the most enthusiastic Obama supporters I know are also the most conservative. I think you're deluded if you think he's going to toast the DC establishment by forcing liberal policies down their throats. The man is nothing if not cautious, and quite establishment himself. My god, he's floating the idea of keeping at least two Bush cabinet members!

Promises (0.00 / 0)
Why do people keep saying Obama is vague?  It wouldn't shock me of Obama had more detail on his specific proposals than any elected president in history.

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It's A Matter of Presentation (0.00 / 0)
There's a lot of specificity on his website that's communicated in his speeches, and his speeches are how most people know him.

He could close that gap with some relatively modest additions of specificity, but he rarely seems to do this, and that fact alone (a) allows a lot of people to read into him whatever they want--or fear, and (b) gives rise to both confusion and a sense that he doesn't have specific ideas.

I have to say that I still don't understand why he does this.  I think he could have significantly strengthened his candidacy with, as I said above, "some relatively modest additions of specificity," and I'm not even talking about things that are ideologically close to my heart.

For example, the "Powell Doctrine," which is not really any sort of progressive idea.  It's just about not acting incredibly recklessly.  This is what the military itself came up with as a protective framework to avoid getting hung out to dry, as they saw it.  (Powell is associated with it because he promoted it, not because it originated with him.)   There was nothing exceptional about supporting the Powell Doctrine until Bush trampled it in the dust--with an assist from Powell himself.

It always seemed like a no-brainer for Democrats to pledge a return to the Powell Doctrine, and it seemed like an especially good idea for Obama to have gotten behind and used as part of the foundation of articulating his foreign policy views.  He could have branded himself with it.  But he didn't.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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