Election Forecast Notes

by: Chris Bowers

Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 18:30


Since final results have not, as of yet, been certified by the fifty Secretaries of State, it is still too early to compare my final poll averages of my Presidential and Senate forecasts to the final results in those states. The initial estimate seems to be that polling averages performed very well in states where there were a lot of polls, but did not do well in the less frequently polled states of Alaska (President, Senate and House showed massive, double-digit error), Iowa (6% error), Nevada (6-7% error) and North Dakota (6% error). Polling averages also seem to have been about 4-5% off in Arizona and New Mexico. Everywhere else, the averages seem to have nailed the final targets by 2.0% or less, even though inaccurate winners were projected in Indiana and North Carolina. Basically, it seems like the more polls in your averages, the more accurate the averages become. Makes sense.

While we wait for final results in the polling average states, I am happy to say that my House Forecast has, once again, done extremely well. If, as appears likely, MD-01 and VA-05 go to Democrats, and with CA-04, CA-44, LA-04, OH-15, and WA-08 still undecided, then Democrats will net 21-26 seats. My final projection was 21-27 seats, so I am feeling like I did pretty darn well. I also did well for each of the category projections (more in the extended entry):

Chris Bowers :: Election Forecast Notes
My projections compared to final results:

Republicans Held Seats

  • Likely Democrat: I projected Dems to pickup four, and they pickup up four
  • Lean Democrat: I projected Dems to pickup 12-13, and with OH-15 undecided we picked up 12-13.
  • Toss-up: I projected Dems to pickup 6, but they have overperformed and are set to pickup 7-9 with CA-04 and WA-08 till undecided.
  • Lean Republican: I projected Dems to pick up 5-7, but they have underperformed and are set to pick up only 2-3 with LA-04 still undecided. This does, almost precisely, cancel out the over-performance in the toss-up category.
  • Likely Republican and Uncompetitive: I projected Democrats to pick up 0-1 seats, and they are set to pickup 0-1 seats with CA-44 outstanding. I admit, I didn't see CA-44 coming at all.
Democratic Held Seats
  • Likely Republican: I projected Republicans to pick up two, and they picked up two.
  • Lean Republican: I projected Republicans to pick up one, and they picked up zero. To put it a different way, I picked Kanjorski to lose, but he won.
  • Lean Democrat: I projected Republicans to pick up 1-2 seats, and they picked up one.
  • Likely Democrat and uncompetitive: I projected Republicans to pick up 0-1 seats, and they picked up one.
So, I screwed up Kanjorski, undershot the "toss-up" chances for Democratic pickups, and overshot the "Lean Republican" longshots for Democratic pickups. The overall number, however, was right on the money. If we win three of the five still undecided House races, my "best guess" of 24 will have been exactly right.

So, for the second cycle in a row, I feel as though I did very well in the House--as strong, or better, than any other forecaster around. Also, I think simple polling averages will have once again proven to be very effective, but I will wait for the final numbers before comparing the different methodologies. Mainly, I want to compare my results to Pollster.com and fivethirtyeight. If either of those sites outperformed my methodology in terms of average error, than perhaps election forecasting does require something more than my simplicity. Still, given the preliminary results, I doubt they will have outperformed simple polling averages by that much.

Finally, I'd like to figure out what the hell happened in Alaska--seriously, WTF? I'm even kind of surprised to write this, but what sort of voting machines do they use up there?


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Does anyone have a link .. (0.00 / 0)
to the latest WA-08 results?

I wonder about Alaska too (0.00 / 0)
and have had similar thoughts.

Why do you think the polling is, overall, more accurate nowadays?  I'd put forward two guesses: first, it seems that there are more polling organizations now and second, I have heard that they now use cell phones as well as landline phones.


It's the first reason (0.00 / 0)
There are way, way more polls than there used to be. Before 1992, there really wasn't much of anything outside of Gallup. Before 2004, there still weren't more than one or two polls in every state in the final week of the campaign. Really, there just wasn't enough data before 2004 in order for this method to work.

Cell phones actually make it more difficult to poll accurately, by contrast.  


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Cell phones (0.00 / 0)
Well, the way it was explained whenever I've read about it, is that there is a whole demographic that was never being polled because they only have cell phones, no landlines.  I would think the cell phones would bring some positive effect.

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not entirely true (0.00 / 0)
Some polls do call cell phones.  There was some difference in terms of being younger and more Democratic etc, but not outrageous.

Also, landline polls can control for this by weighting their samples properly.  

Considering the polling averages were very good compared to the actual results, cell-phone only voters are not screwing with the polls all that much.


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Alaska (0.00 / 0)

 Nate Silver weighs in.

 It's not necessarily a conspiracy.  

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


If this result holds up after whatever counting is left... (0.00 / 0)
I'd like to see some post-election polls, asking people how they voted (and why). Has that been done before?

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Speaking of strange things (0.00 / 0)
Did the Georgia numbers ever work themselves out?

Those numbers looked awfully suspicious, initially.

Did they come together, and make sense?


comps (0.00 / 0)
Well 538 had:
IA 54.6-43 (actual 54-45)
ND 47-50 (actual 45-53)
NV 52-47 (actual 55-43)

so they were better in one and off on the other two. They did have NC at 'lean Dem' with a 63% win percentage while Mo was called a tossup.  


2012 Congressional Redistricting. (0.00 / 0)
Looking at States that will lose a seat.
California(-1).
Assuming McClintock(CA-4)wins- He will win re-election and his District will be combined with Dan Lungren(CA-3).

Illinios(-1)Timothy Johnson(IL-15) will be the odd man out. His district will get split up. He will have to run against either Shimkus(IL-19) or Schock(IL-18).

Iowa(-1). Tom Latham(IA-4) and Steve King(IA-5) will be placed in the same district.

Louisiana(-1)Bill Cassidy(LA-6) district will  be combined with Charlie Melancon(LA-3).

Massachusetts(-1) Richard Neal(MA-2) and John Olver(MA-1)will be forced in the same district.

Michigan(-1)- Mike Rogers(MI-8) and Thad McCotter(MI-11)will be placed in the same district.

Minnesota(-1)- Eric Paulsen(MN-3)if he gets re-elected will be placed in the same district as Michelle Bachmann(MN-6). We give Paulsen as safer district and get rid of Bachmann.

Missouri(-1)- Ike Skelton(MO-4)and Roy Blunt(MO-7)will be placed in the same district.

New Jersey(-1).Scott Garrett(NJ-5) district gets split he will have to run against Leonard Lance(NJ-7) or Rodney Frelugehysen(NJ-11).

New York(-2)- John McHugh(NY-23) district get cut in half- Half of it goes to Arcuri(NY-24) and Gillibrand(NY-20).
Christopher Lee(NY-26) and Louise Slaughter(NY-28)will be placed in the same district.

Ohio(-2)- Steve Stivers(OH-15)if he wins will be placed in the same district with Pat Tiberi(OH-12). Steve Austria(OH-7) and Mike Turner(OH-3) will be placed in the same district.

Pennsylvania- (-2). Jim Gerlach(PA-6) and Charlie Dent(PA-15) will be placed in the same district. Pitts(PA-16) and Platts(PA-19)will be placed in the same district.  

Missouri(-1)-  


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