Clinton Catches Pundidate Fever

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Aug 24, 2007 at 16:21


There is a growing trend among candidates to talk in public as though they are pundits. This problem is particularly severe among Democrats. Instead of, say, talking about their religious beliefs, standing up for what they believe in, and laying out comprehensive national security plans that will make the average American feel safe, Democrats have a strange desire to talk about the need for other Democrats to talk about religion, talk about the need for Democrats to stand up for what they believe in, and talk about the need for Democrats to lay out comprehensive national security plans. Even among Democrats, Pundidate Fever has reached exceptional, even chronic levels within the DLC-nexus of the party, as virtually everything DLC-types propose policy wise is justified first and foremost by how that policy will supposedly help Democrats win elections. For quite some time now, many of online have argued that this pundit lust has been one of the primary reasons why most people don't Democrats believe in the policies they propose. For example, I made this argument last August, in one of my better linked posts of all-time.

  The desire for candidates to talk like pundits is fairly understandable, as Paul Rosenberg wrote last week:

It's very understandable why politicians would want to be pundits.  Pundits get far more public exposure than politicians do.  They can be wrong 100% of the time, with no fear of losing their jobs, their credibility or their clout.  And they don't have to do any real work at all. Certainly not cold calling folks for thousands of dollars, or shaking so many hands you risk dislocating every joint from your shoulder on down.

And, naturally, the politicians who are treated best by the pundits are the ones most eager to be like them.

All this, I think, explains a good deal of what's gone wrong with Obama since he went to Washington.  Why'd he hook up with Joe Lieberman of all people?  Well, Joe's #1 on the pundit's speed dial for Democrats.  Why'd he take sharp jabs at non-existent Democrats who hate religion?  Standard pundit fare.  Why attack an entire generation of voters--those who routinely show up most reliably in low-turnout primary races?  Pundits love to talk generational stuff.  Makes them seem all world-historical, like Newt Gingrich!

I think Obama has indeed developed a problem with pundidate fever, as I have discussed in the past. However, today's Democratic whopper comes from Hillary Clinton:

"It's a horrible prospect to ask yourself, 'What if? What if?' But if certain things happen between now and the election, particularly with respect to terrorism, that will automatically give the Republicans an advantage again, no matter how badly they have mishandled it, no matter how much more dangerous they have made the world," Clinton told supporters in Concord.

"So I think I'm the best of the Democrats to deal with that," she added.

Oh, Lord. No matter what else she said in the speech, and even if she thought it was undeserved, why is Clinton talking about perceived Democratic and Republican strengths on terrorism as though she was Joe Klein? This is absolute pundit lust, where Clinton is discussing herself on terrorism not in terms of her approach to terrorism, but rather in how her position on terrorism will help Democrats win elections. An entire generation of neoliberals pundits have made a living concern trolling for Democrats this, and Peter Beinart is now threatening to make it two generations. However, Democratic politicians themselves should not talk like this, because it only undermines our national image as a party that takes winning elections as more important than standing up for what we believe in. In this specific case, it is even worse, because it simply isn't true, as Democrats have drawn even with Republicans on terrorism.

Even if it wasn't true, Democratic candidates should not talk like this. When asked a horserace question, Dems should just say things like "I'm taking nothing for granted" if they are ahead, "we are still in the game" if they are behind, or "I have a lot of work to do" if it is close. When asked their position on any given issue, Dems should just state their position, and not frame it as a good position because it will help win elections, appeal to swing voters, unify the party, appeal to new voters, or whatever.  We have to stop the meta talk about our party, and stop the horserae talk, too.  Simply put, it makes us look spineless and hollow inside-even condescending. Our candidates should not talk about why what they stand for will appeal to voters. Instead, they need to appeal to voters by talking about what they stand for. This might results in being invited on fewer Sunday talk shows, but in the end it will be much better for the party as a whole.

Chris Bowers :: Clinton Catches Pundidate Fever

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Reading This Over, It Struck Me (0.00 / 0)
One huge advantage that Hillary Clinton has is that she doesn't have Hillary Clinton advising her.

D'oh!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


And it just gives people like me .. (0.00 / 0)
more reason to believe that she won't be a help to the Democratic party these next few years

Sheesh, what a way to kick off the weekend (0.00 / 0)
  I leave work, stop at the gym, enjoy some of Obama's book while I'm working out (it's hard not to get taken in by his pragmatic, but undeniable, optimism), come home and flip on the blogs to see what happened today.

  And the first thing I see is Hillary Clinton, that brilliant, expert campaigner, tumbling into Republican framing like a five-year-old rolling a bowling ball into the gutter.

  It's almost like her campaign is designed to capture the Democratic nomination -- and nothing beyond it.

  YearlyKos notwithstanding, the DLC crowd remains firmly in control of the party, merrily leading us off the cliff again.

  The bright side? A local Dem group has asked me to speak about YearlyKos and the blogosphere in general. Hillary just gave me a few PowerPoint slides illustrating why most of us don't care for her.

  Help us, Obi-Wan Al-Gore-Bi. You're our only hope.

 

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


ridiculous (0.00 / 0)
It's completely blown out of water. Let's not kid ourselves, no MSM is talking about this, only liberal blogs are breathlessly harping on this. If netroots are really caring about keeping democratic party's national security brand, they wouldn't have written countless diaries on this so-called gaffee. Since based on your own logic, by repeating this line, you have actually reinforced thhis false, stereotypical perception that democratic party is weak on national security.

This makes no sense at all, all the netroots want to do is just to destroy Hillary. They care zero about democratic party's national security credentials.


You know... (4.00 / 2)
If you think liberal blogs are not worth the attention, why do you bother posting?

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The Dems' national security credentials... (4.00 / 1)
  ...are pretty damn fine. They're a hell a lot better than the Republicans'.

  Figures like Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, go out of their way to mistake mindless belligerence for "toughness", and imply that the Republicans are "tougher". (Well, Republicans are certainly more mindlessly belligerent.)

  Hillary damages the Dems' brand with such silliness.

"We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience." -- Howard Zinn


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Huh? (0.00 / 0)
None of the MSM is paying attention to this?

#3 headline on CNN.com is "Clinton: Terrorist attack would help GOP"

That's what we Dems love to see!  Thanks Hillary.

Then you have MSNBC's First Read, suggesting Hillary is a hypocrit on hypotheticals on this, and then a piece on other campaign's responses

Someone else will have to report on its presence/absence on the cable news stuff, I don't watch that crap.  Rots yer brain.


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Terrible (4.00 / 1)
The last shred of cred Bush has, that every wingnut clings to is that we haven't been attacked since 9/11 so they must be doing something right. It's what the whole "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" meme is about.

She's just completely disqualified herself in my eyes. This isn't a recognition that the media will play it that way and will try to rally the nation to Bush, it's buying into the notion. Now is the time to fight it. Didn't Dems just pass port security and other measures Repubs refused to? I want a clean break with the lies not somebody who tries work them to her advantage.


Hard-Earned Lessons From 2004 (0.00 / 0)
Clearly she wasn't making the argument that she is better equipped than other Democrats to deal with the actual terrorist attack.

Rather, she was saying that she is better equipped to fight back against any Republican spin that might perversely use terrorism as a political tool.

That's different.

Further, there's a historical precident in Kerry's ineffectual response to the Bil Laden tape that the White House released the week before the 2008 election.

That's a lesson from which every Democrat can learn.


What purpose is there to bring this up (0.00 / 0)
She has made herself look like a partisan political hack talking about partisanship if we had a national tragedy.

This was a calculated strategic move by her and it has back fired badly. She brought it up and it was not in response to a question.

Her statement was tasteless and revealing as to who she is as a person.

This will be a youtube moment perhaps a Macaca episode.


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