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Yeah (4.00 / 1)

He managed to surround himself with some unsavory characters. Carter had a bit of that problem, too.

However, I think you can (or could) be a traditional liberal and support NAFTA and be a hawk on foreign policy. Kennedy and LBJ were liberals as far a civil rights go, but did some pretty bad stuff with foreign policy.

Having a deep understanding of the fact that war is always wrong is something that is new for liberalism.

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by: Mark Wallace @ Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 23:37:36 PM CDT

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I see... so support for NAFTA, a murderous foreign policy, and the beginnings (4.00 / 1)

of the use of the "ticking-bomb scenario" to defend torture (Clinton did it first). Pray tell, where is "liberalism" contained?  

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by: jcr @ Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 23:42:30 PM CDT

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