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Very well stated (4.00 / 1)

the whole thing, but in summary:

The majority of liberals/progressives fought for American freedom. The majority of conservatives fought against it.

this is exactly why I got so mad that we (liberals, progressives) allowed the corporate media to paint last year's big fight against continued erosion of the FISA laws as purely a "liberal/lefty" agenda item. We've got to start doing a better job of fighting to positions these issues as "Constitutional" values, as core "American" values.

To illustrate how deeply ingrained this twisted conventional wisdom is about what's "patriotic" and what's not, recently XM/SIRIUS radio renamed their liberal and conservative talk stations from "America Left" and "America Right " to "SIRIUS Left" and "SIRIUS Patriot". Need I say more?

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by: Oaktown Girl @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 17:42:06 PM CDT

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I questioned the phrase "progressive patriotism" (0.00 / 0)

And I still do. It's unhelpful and dangerous to suggest that progressives (or anyone else) -- can or should define "patriotism."

And what purpose is served? Indeed, many self-defined "conservatives" were among those in the compassionate crowds depicted above.

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by: rwm @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 20:16:22 PM CDT

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So? Many Conservatives Believe In Liberal Values (0.00 / 0)

This isn't news.  I've been writing about it for years.

It's time they learned where ideas like "freedom of speech", "freedom of religion" and the "right to vote" come from.

In fact, when it comes right down to it, Jesus was a liberal, and it's time they learned that, too.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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by: Paul Rosenberg @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 20:38:44 PM CDT

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Conservatives as "They" (0.00 / 0)

I was trying to draw a tactical distinction between movement conservatives and persuadable self- defined conservatives.

Believe me, there's nothing I like to do more than rant and rave about American wingnuts.  I hate them.  I rip them daily on my fabulous blog.

http://partisandawn.wordpress....

I just don't want to get into a battle with them over the meaning of patriotism.

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by: rwm @ Sat Jul 04, 2009 at 21:04:39 PM CDT

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Why Not? (4.00 / 1)

I just don't want to get into a battle with them over the meaning of patriotism.

That's precisely what I want to do.

"Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition"

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by: Paul Rosenberg @ Sun Jul 05, 2009 at 08:46:43 AM CDT

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