Democrats 2004 vs. Republicans 2008

by: Chris Bowers

Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 14:45


Four year ago, as we Democrats were on the short end of a Republican trifecta, we had to engage in soul-searching similar to what Republicans face now. The conclusion Democrats arrived at was that our problems were mainly non-ideological and related to strategy and infrastructure. This conclusion could be seen with the DNC's election of Howard Dean on a fifty-state strategy platform, in the papers produced by NDN with their New Politics Institute, and also in the netroots as perhaps best exemplified with Crashing the Gate. The Democratic soul-searching conclusion of late 2004 and early 2005 was not that our ideas were either wrong or unpopular, but rather that we faced organizing and structural deficiencies that allowed Republicans to eke out 50% +1 victories through fundraising, media, grassroots activist, message packaging, and strategic resource deployment advantages.

Republicans seem to be reaching similar conclusions now. The post-election Pew survey shows they think they should move in a more conservative direction by a large 60%-35% margin. Further, according to Democracy Corps, two-thirds of Republicans think that McCain and their congressional candidates lost because of the media, and the same number think that McCain wasn't aggressive enough in his attacks on Obama. (This latter conclusion strikes me as particularly difficult to justify, given that McCain and the RNC went 100% negative with paid media during the final five weeks of the campaign.) Further, in their description of how to rebuild the Republican Party, The Next Right seems to be repeating what Democratic netroots activists said back in 2004: run a fifty-state strategy and build up media and grassroots infrastructure. The over-riding Republican conclusion seems to be not that their ideas are wrong or unpopular, but that they need to improve their organizing, get more aggressive with Democrats, become more conservative, and destroy the mainstream media.

So, Republicans seem to be reaching the same conclusions Democrats did four years ago: we are neither wrong nor unpopular, simply out-organized, out-strategized, and facing structural deficits. While the Democratic conclusion was quickly proven correct as Bush's approval rating dropped below 50% and then suffered a long, slow decline over the next four years, the Republican conclusion seems largely untenable. This is because, as I describe in the extended entry, the Republican deficit is much larger than the one Democrats faced four years ago. Further, it arose out of a more damaging source: Republicans have become highly unpopular in 2008 because of how they governed, while Democrats were unpopular four years ago because of their image.

More in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Democrats 2004 vs. Republicans 2008
Here are some key differences to the situation that Democrats faced two years ago, and Republicans face now:
  1. Partisan Identification: Four years ago, after the 2004 election, Democrats and Republicans both represented 37% of the electorate. This time, Democrats were 39% while Republicans were 32%, for a Democratic advantage of 7%. There is a big difference between starting out tied versus starting out down 7%.

  2. Party Favorable Ratings: Four years ago, the Democratic Party still had a net positive favorable rating, and in fact had a higher favorable rating than the Republican Party. By contrast, right now the Democratic Party has a 62%-31% favorable rating according to the latest CNN poll, while Republicans are at 38%-54%. While Democrats were tied with Republicans in partisan self-identification four years ago, and actually still polled more favorably than Republicans in the abstract, Republicans face gaping deficits in both categories at the end of 2008.

  3. Presidential results: Barack Obama currently leads the popular vote by 6.80% and rising, which is much larger than Bush's 2.46% victory four years ago. Further, Obama is the fourth Democrat in five elections to win the popular vote, and the third out of the last five to secure over 360 electoral votes. By contrast, the largest electoral total for Republicans over those five elections was 286, a margin that could have easily turned into defeat with a shift of only 1.1% from Bush to Kerry in Ohio. In other words, Democrats winning the popular vote and the Electoral College has become the norm, while the best Republicans can do is squeak out narrow, disputed victories. This is the reverse of the situation Democrats faced in the five Presidential elections before 1992.

  4. House results: Democrats have won the popular vote in the last two House elections by an average of 8.3%, compared to the Republican average wins in 2002 (3.6%) and 2004 (2.6%). Further, Republicans never reached a majority of the House popular vote during their entire time in the majority. Yet further, the current Democratic seat total of 257 dwarfs the Republican peak of 232 from 2005-2006. While the most seats Democrats ever needed to win was 15, Republicans will now need to win at least 40 seats in order to control the House.

  5. Senate Results: The Democratic caucus currently stands at 58 seats, three higher than the 55 seat maximum reached by Republicans four years ago. Perhaps even more importantly, four years ago Democrats actually won the popular vote to determine the 100 Senators that composed the Republicans 55-45 Democratic Senate. So, not only did Democrats face a smaller deficit, but that deficit happened despite their victory in the Senate popular vote. That was clearly a swing district defeat caused by strategic and organizing deficits, rather than a broader problem of ideology and popularity.

In summary, four years ago, Democrats faced a 3.6% average deficit in the U.S. House, an anomalous and disputed 2.5% deficit at the Presidential level, were tied in partisan self-identification, ahead in party favorability polling, and ahead in the Senate popular vote. Our problems were clearly a series of narrow defeats caused by insufficient organizing, infrastructure and message packaging, rather than a deeper problem of our ideas being wrong and / or unpopular.

Republicans, by contrast, face an 8.3% deficit in the House, regular and often large popular vote defeats at the Presidential level, an inability to reach 300 electoral votes, a 7% deficit in partisan self-identification, a 24% deficit in party favorability, and massive Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress that significantly surpass anything Republicans ever accomplished. These problems are of a different order of magnitude than the ones Democrats faced four years ago, especially if one takes into account current demographic trends. It is very difficult to conclude that these are narrow losses caused merely by strategic, organizing and infrastructure deficiencies. Or, at least, it seems very difficult to make this conclusion if you are not a Republican.

The main reason why Republicans face a much more serious deficit than Democrats is that when Republicans actually put their ideas into governing praxis, it made people's lives worse. As such, people now hate them and their ideas. Democrats, by contrast, left power with high approval ratings in both 2000 (President Clinton) and 2002 (Senate Democrats). Democrats were defeated in 2000 and 2002 despite their popularity. It was the theoretical promise of improvement under Republicans that put them in power not disaffection with Democrats. Republicans won because of image, not because what Democrats were doing was unpopular. By contrast, Democrats pretty much only won because people hate Republicans with a vengence right now.

So, Democrats faced a non-ideological deficit of strategy, organizing and infrastructure that caused them to lose despite their popularity, while Republicans face a problem where they lose even when Democrats are unpopular (check out congressional approval ratings if you think Congressional Democrats are popular). The former means there is no need to change your ideological stance, while the latter means you better apologize for, and then swiftly and sincerely change, your governing philosophy almost altogether. Republicans may think they only need to get a more favorable media, a more thorough-going conservative candidate, better online organizing, a fifty-state strategy, and more aggressive campaigning, but unless the country collectively develops amnesia over how much things sucked when Republicans actually governed, all of that combined ain't going to help that at all.


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when (4.00 / 1)
There ain't a lot of institutional innovation going on when the most prominent right-wing blog has someone on there saying "My colleague James Sherk, a labor policy analysts at The Heritage Foundation, ran the numbers..."

That said, I think you're underestimating the potential appeal of racism in a down economy and the possible failure of Democrats to go far enough in governing.


Not sold on increasing racism (4.00 / 4)
I was sold on your idea that Republicans will openly embrace racism after their five minutes of "soul searching." However, I think we disagree on the broad appeal of racism, even in a down economy. One of the main reasons I don't think it will work is that the country is simply less white than it used to be. At this point, it's hard to build a national majority on that.

I certainly think that Democrats won't go far enough in governing. However, I don't think that the result, at least in four years, will be a Republican resurgence. They need at least six years to pull that one off, given how badly they burned their bridges with the American people.

However, Democratic unwillingness their might results in a billionaire king, if a super rich white dude can combine Perot's populism with Bloomberg's elite appeal.


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well (0.00 / 0)
One of the main reasons I don't think it will work is that the country is simply less white than it used to be. At this point, it's hard to build a national majority on that.

Assuming turnout remains as it is.


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It won't stay the same (4.00 / 3)
Turnout won't stay the same. The non-white and / or non-Christian vote will continue to increase as a share of the electorate. Their percentages continue to increase as a share of the electorate the younger one moves through the age demographics. Non-whites were 18% of the over 65 vote, 19% of the over 45 vote, but 34% of the under 45 vote and 39% of the under 30 vote. There is nowhere to go but up, over the long-term.

Republicans need to figure out a way to increase their vote share among minorities and non-Christians. The new, open racism doesn't strike me as a good way to pull that off.


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The Republicans' Position is Like the Democrats in 1973! (0.00 / 0)
In 1973 Hunter S. Thompson and Rolling Stone organized a conference of Democratic strategists at Elko Nevada to talk about the future of the party.

Watergate was about to explode onto the scene, which ultimately took down Nixon and the Republicans in Congress and gave political power to Democrats -- for exactly 6 years.

They didn't know it then but the late 70s was just a blip in the Nixon, Nixon, Reagan, Reagan, Bush years. A small island of Democratic rule under Jimmy Carter that was doomed by demographics.

Republicans had a natural institutional majority. The only way for Democrats to win during the next 30 years was to run centrist Southern Democrats (Carter, Clinton) at times when Republican presidents had failed and economic times were bad -- all because working class Whites simply wouldn't vote for even a moderately liberal Democrat for President.

But, the conference at Elko didn't realize this. They were concerned with how you get a liberal Democrat elected in 1976 and had no idea they were in the middle of a Demographic shift that utterly DOOMED their efforts. To read about the political ideas they had, KNOWING that we in for a Carter center-right presidency that would be under siege from day one by the inevitably victorious forces of the HARD right -- Reagan, makes for painful reading.

Demography rules. Working class Whites, angry about the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement NEVER DID GET OVER IT. That "Greatest" generation went to their graves hating liberalism and believing that the end result of the civil rights movement was black "crime" and "welfare queens". It's only after they have finally started to die off, involuntarily loosening their death grip on power, that we've been able to move forward finally.

I've been waiting 40 years for this, ever since that horrible, hopeful, vengeful, foul year of our Lord 1968, the year that changed everything.

Republicans are in for their own Demographic nightmare that will never end -- not in my lifetime anyway. Republican Presidents may well be elected in this time just as Carter and Clinton were.

But, they will do so in the midst of a fundamentally hostile voting populace that WANTS to vote Democratic. Even if Republicans find their Eisenhower, it's not going to change anything fundamental.  


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what this ignores (0.00 / 0)
is demography isn't set in stone. and i don't mean changing immegrationi policy or purges. How ethnicity and class and other groups are socially constructed is influenced by public policy and other social forces.  

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And just how do they propose .. (0.00 / 0)
to get Rethuglicans elected in the Northeast? .. or the West Coast? ... their party doesn't tolerate moderates well .. a moderate as little shot of winning the Presidential primary(McCain being a unique exception) any time soon

[ Parent ]
This goes to an important point.. (4.00 / 2)
As dire as the situation painted by Chris is for the Rs, in reality their electoral viability is much worse because the numbers cited by Chris are not nationally homogenous (I know he didn't suggest they were - but it is an important point to make).  The only reason Dems have a JUST +7 party ID and the only reason Obama is winning by JUST +7 and the only reason Congressional Dems are winning by JUST +8 (etc....) is because of the South.   I don't know if the non-South numbers are available, but I would love to see them.  If you want a picture of the future for the Rs, go to Dave Leip's site and look up the 1904 Presidential results.  All you have to do is switch the parties (which doesn't even require switching the colors because he uses red for Ds and blue for Rs).  

While I am a big fan of the 50 state strategy and think it needs to be continued, if the Rs continue to kill us in the South by championing policies that render them unelectable in the rest of the country, this is a result I will happily accept.  It may give numbers similar to the ones cited by Chris, thus giving the appearance that the Rs are on the cusp of regaining power.  But in reality they will be as far from power as you can get.  


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that's a slander against white people (0.00 / 0)
Do you really think overt racism will appeal to more white voters than it will turn off?

[ Parent ]
There was some ideological component to Democrats' problems (4.00 / 1)
In the intervening years, Democratic positions on things like the war and the economy have become more popular relative to the Republican positions. So, while we weren't "wrong" in 2004, we were unpopular in some respects. At least, less popular than we are now.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

Wow. (0.00 / 0)
Actually, we concluded that some of the hot-button social issues were not worth peace, the environment, and the middle class.

Furthermore, the Democrats didn't challenge the Bush Administration, they let them have everything they want (Iraq, the bailout, etc.) and pointed the finger of blame (Katrina), while offering the hope of choice.

The Republicans jibber-jabber about how to pitch their ideology; hogwash!

The elections will be a referendum on the performance of the Democrats.


Disagree (4.00 / 5)
Not sure what hot-button social issues you think Democrats abandoned. I just think Democrats ran on whatever was at the forefront of the national consciousness at any give moment. In 2006, that was Iraq. In 2008, that was the economy. Running on things like immigration, marriage equality and gun control would have simply been strange in either environment. They just are not high on the list of national priorities, and haven't been for over three years.

And I don't think the 2010 or 2012 referendum will be about Democrats. I honestly think that Republicans have dug themselves such a deep hole, that we pretty much have a free pass for 4-6 years. Unless things go even harder south than the current pessimistic projections, I just can't see people saying "you know who can fix this? Republicans!" Memory isn't quite so short as all that.


[ Parent ]
IF you're right (I think you are), we really are a "center-left" nation (4.00 / 1)
The biggest bit is the demographics.

Groups which vote Democratic are growing.
Groups which vote Republican are shrinking.

Yes, Republicans can still win with a rethug / racist message under certain circumstances. But the trends are with us, and we need to - ah - "encourage" - the perception that Republicans don't care about the mainstream.


Just to add another article (0.00 / 0)
I think this article goes into the foundation for the one linked by Chris -

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08...


Ethnic and racial minorities will comprise a majority of the nation's population in a little more than a generation, according to new Census Bureau projections, a transformation that is occurring faster than anticipated just a few years ago.


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Republicans are in serious trouble... (4.00 / 3)
I agree with Chris here - the Republicans are in serious trouble. They are VERY unpopular and that's probably not going to change anytime soon.  A couple of weeks ago, I wrote a (rescued) Daily Kos article entitled, "The Death of the Modern Republican Party".

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...

In it, I showed how demographic change is destroying the GOP.   Racism isn't working for the GOP; they are turning off more votes than they could possibly gain by racism.  The Republicans lost nonwhite voters (26% of total vote) by a 79-18 margin according to the CNN national exit poll.  That, combined with Obama's popularity among young (18-29) White voters (+10 margin), means that the GOP needs to win by Reagan 1984 numbers among the rest of the White populace.  That's not going to happen.  Doubling down on racism just isn't going to get the GOP where it wants to go.

In fact, given that the nonwhite US population continues to increase in percentage, the GOP needs to go the other way and find candidates that nonwhites don't despise.  The racism among the base probably makes that impossible in the short-term and possibly even the medium-term.  The irony of this is that Bush did a good job integrating Blacks and Hispanics into the GOP party structure.  Bush was very popular among Hispanics, especially in 2004 when he won 44% of the Hispanic vote.

Even worse for the GOP, the nonwhite voting numbers look relatively stable; George W. Bush looks like the aberration.  The angry and hateful campaign that McCain/Palin ran (especially Palin) is likely to turn off nonwhites for a generation. McCain had some residual goodwill among nonwhites from his prior support for immigration reform.  The rest of the GOP will not be so lucky. The GOP is toast.


Nitpicking... (0.00 / 0)
I know I'm nit picking, but I like to stay "reality based".
Bush was very popular among Hispanics, especially in 2004 when he won 44% of the Hispanic vote.

44% would actually mean he was unpopular. He just wasn't as unpopular as other Republican candidates.

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The part that worries me (4.00 / 1)
two-thirds of Republicans think that McCain and their congressional candidates lost because of the media

Here's where I'm worried. Republicans can't use the "do the same thing, only harder" strategy to win elections. But I think there's a good chance that by following this strategy they can score some significant victories in winning over the media. The Republicans have been substantially more effective in steering the media than they are at steering the public for some time now, and they start out with some really large advantages-- even as the voters in general have stopped taking the Republicans very seriously, we're still at a point where favorable media coverage for Republicans passes without anyone noticing and favorable or even objectively balanced media coverage for Democrats brings up questions within the media of "is the media liberally biased?".

Republicans don't actually have to be winning to keep up their play-the-refs strategy, and unless somebody somewhere grows a spine I think they're only going to get more effective at playing the refs as they become more angry and marginalized. If they continue succeeding at this they could wipe out what little is left of the mainstream independent press, or at lay the groundwork to create problems in 10,16 years when the electoral pendulum starts swinging the toher way...


strat (0.00 / 0)
I'm wondering how you have a 50 state strategy based totally on tax-cuts and hate because that's all they are offering right now.

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