All Hail The Most Perfect Creation In Human History - To Question It Is to Commit Treason

by: David Sirota

Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 18:30


The Democratic Party - and especially the Obama administration - is the most perfect creation in human history, and therefore requires no pressure or input from Dirty Fucking Hippies, or anyone really, to usher in all the change they have previously promised (ending the war, fixing our trade policies, protecting privacy rights, etc.) but previously helped thwart (votes to start and continue the war, votes for NAFTA, votes for FISA, etc.). To offer up any questioning - and god forbid any criticism - is to whine, moan, and cry like a baby, channel right-wing hate, and really, perpetrate a crime against America.

Oh, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an unpatriotic traitor, a know-nothing bloviator, a David Broder, a wild-eyed bloggy idiot, a self-important jackass who thinks everyone "died and made you king of all things progressive" - or  all of the above.

Discuss :)

UPDATE: For all who took to the comments to take this post way too seriously, let's just say you're on Candid Camera. Get a grip, turn off the whaaaaaaaambulance - and lighten up!
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Huzzah! (4.00 / 1)
I nominate Pangloss for Secretary of Affirmation.
Man. What is this... (4.00 / 4)
livejournal?
maybe another camping trip is in order, david. (4.00 / 5)
or at least a step away from the computer for the day.

i hope this doesn't come across as mean-spirited.  i mean it genuinely.  for all of our sakes... it'd be good if this back and forth didn't get inflamed any further.  it's bad enough already.  

Why do you hate us so much? (4.00 / 5)
When even mild disagreement is met with such angst and anger?

http://transgendermom.blogspot....
All right (0.00 / 0)
Is Open Left going to take itself seriously, or what?

Are these posts being generated by bots?

This kind of whining (4.00 / 1)
is unbecoming, David. Take your lumps like a man. If you want to be the voice crying in the wilderness, then you have to stand alone a good share of the time.
that's the other thing.... (4.00 / 1)
Criticizing Obama = whining....
Why don't you go ahead and call it what it really is: blasphemy!
[ Parent ]
It's all about MEEEE! (4.00 / 9)
Get off your cross already. If you spent half as much time talking about policy as you've spent exercising your persecution complex, we'd have everything solved.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!
When are you going ask him (0.00 / 0)
about his time at Berkely?
[ Parent ]
Have you gone off your medication again, David? (0.00 / 0)

Can you believe (4.00 / 6)
the back and forth between Jennifer Aniston and Angelina Jolie?  Poor Jen can never catch a break.  What do you all think?
It's official, Dave (4.00 / 3)
This is you:


Oh, yes! (3.20 / 5)
Just as it's true that anyone who voices disagreement with David Sirota, Messiah of the Progressive Movement, is a Nazi, a fucking joke, and any number of other things.  And we're all just here to attack anyone who criticizes the Great and Powerful Oz Obama.

You've got nothing of substance to respond with.  All you've got are ad hominem and straw-man arguments.  We pointed out that the appointments were pretty good and called you out for what we saw as whining for no actual reason.  You respond by calling us brownshirts and then posting this hilarious bit.  No substance.  Nothing.

Just...wow.

On top of that... (4.00 / 3)
...acting like the post was snark is rich. Maybe if Sirota didn't spend every post purity trolling and screaming how the sky is falling, that might even be a believeable pushback from him.

As it is...not so much.

[ Parent ]
Flypaper (4.00 / 1)
These posts are like fly-paper for you Obamabots.
really? that is what you are calling us... (4.00 / 2)
because i thought you and i had a pretty substantive conversation on the last thread.... i was under the impression that you were regarding me as a complex human being with interesting things to say.  apparently i was wrong, and i am nothing more than a robot... good to know.  
[ Parent ]
substance (2.00 / 2)
ok, if you're not a bot, prove it.  you claimed to be to the left of obama.  given your politics, please defend:

1) fisa
2) bailout
3) rahm
4) afghanistan
5) lieberman

[ Parent ]
i don't agree with any of those moves. (0.00 / 0)
i'm most opposed to afghanistan, followed closely by fisa.  

bailout, rahm and lieberman i'm a little more ambivalent about (for reasons that have been hashed out on this blog elsewhere by others in ways that are more articulate than anything i could come up with now).  

i really don't like the tone of this post, and would appreciate an apology for being compared to a robot.  

[ Parent ]
Replicrat? (2.00 / 2)
Well, you don't sound like a Replicrat, but I'd have to ask "twenty, thirty, cross-referenced" questions to be sure.  
[ Parent ]
at the risk of coming across as a stick-in-the-mud, i'm going to just say that (0.00 / 0)
i'm serious about desiring an apology, even after your humorous reply to my last post.

i know it might seem like a small thing, considering how widely the 'obamabot' and 'hillbot' epithets were thrown around during the primary.  but i really thing it has a poisonous effect on the quality of discussion at this blog when taking certain positions, no matter how well thought out or nuanced your comments might be, earns you an epithet that equates you to a robot.  

i'm especially frustrated in this case, since my responses to your comments have been in good faith.


[ Parent ]
what I will say... (0.00 / 0)
is that it's simply a metaphor for blindly and reactively following someone.  you don't seem to be like that, so I see no reason for you to consider the term applicable to yourself.
[ Parent ]
well, i suppose that is something.... (0.00 / 0)
albeit not what i was hoping for.    
[ Parent ]
David. I'm sorry. You're crazy. (0.00 / 0)
If you are in a hole, it really doesn't help to keep digging.

Even if the message is "see, I'm digging! It's meta!"

Obama's last major decision? (4.00 / 2)
Support the bail out.

How's that working out?

Cya in 4 yeerz!

Support it, he owns it. (4.00 / 1)
If he hadn't of gone up there to personally "whip" it through, I think it would have died a well deserved death.  To add insult to injury, he then goes AWOL when the domestic autos go up there to collect on his compaign promises.  I don't trust any of them and that most certain includes Mr. Obama.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  
[ Parent ]
It's not that bad (4.00 / 8)
Don't be so sensitive.

On the one side we have angry Open Left readers who are so tuned to defending Democrats from Republican attacks that they instinctively lash out when you or Stoller rip into Obama and denounce whatever move he has made today.

And then of course, Sirota and Stoller and others often seem to relish in using any bit of news, no matter the lack of context, to proclaim that "Obama is no progressive" and "Obama does not care what you think" and that the next two years will be filled with failure and disappointment.  Talk about raining on our parade.

Both sides are hyperventilating; I've gone both ways myself. But most of the time the doom-and-gloom from both sides doesn't pan out. Sirota and Stoller have their hopeful, optimistic, strong pro-Obama days when something good comes to pass (which will hopefully happen quite a bit following Jan. 20th) while the Open Left readers find themselves occasionally pissed at a centrist play by Obama (FISA, bailout, Lieberman etc.).

The big picture is that we just won the presidency by a huge margin, we have 58 seats in the Senate (and maybe more!) and that Obama himself is promising some pretty big changes on health care, energy, the economy, etc. Will he deliver on most of what he has promised, or will he just Sista Souljah the left for the next four years to placate the DC villagers?

Based on reading "Audacity of Hope" I think he'll be plenty progressive, but not reflexively so. Only if the facts support it.

Good times, no need to throw bombs at each other. Let's just throw them at Steny Hoyer and the Blue Dogs instead.

Generally agree... (4.00 / 3)
...on all except FISA.  The centrist position would've been to oppose it.  Obama took the pansy DLC conservative position on it.
[ Parent ]
"we just won the presidency " (4.00 / 2)
HE won the presidency.   WE didn't win anything.  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  
[ Parent ]
I am firmly on the side of those (2.67 / 3)
who would vigorously question Obama and the Democratic Party.

Wait for his inauguration?  Sorry. Ain't going to happen. Don't be too disappointed.

Having said that, I think the pushback against the Obamabots has run its course and we are descending into an unproductive stage of flaming.

Let's move on.

calling people (4.00 / 6)
obamabots is very much like what a redstater woild do since they tend to be unable to defend their positions...
[ Parent ]
I'm not calling "people" Obamabots (4.00 / 2)
I'm calling Obamabots "Obamabots".

There are those who reluctantly supported Obama simply because he was not Bush or McCain.  They are not Obamabots.

There are those who were generally enthusiastic supporters of Obama, but have been disappointed in some of his recent decisions and have expressed that disappointment or concern.  They are not Obamabots.

There are those who were enthusiastic supporters of Obama and who are now concerned, but who choose to personally refrain from public criticism until Obama is sworn in.  They are not Obamabots.

There are those who were enthusiastic supporters of Obama and have defended all his recent actions because they 100% agree with Obama's decisions, from the bailout bill to FISA to Emanuel to Lieberman.  They are not Obamabots.

But then there are those who religiously defend every move of Obama's simply because he is Obama.  They use phrases like "He's smarter than we are" or "He is playing Jiu-jitsu" or "He is a ninja."  Last week they would have been all for dumping Lieberman and now they are crafting contorted rationalizations for why keeping him is a brilliant political strategem.  Those people?  They are Obamabots.  

[ Parent ]
Interesting (4.00 / 2)
"But then there are those who religiously defend every move of Obama's simply because he is Obama.  They use phrases like "He's smarter than we are" or "He is playing Jiu-jitsu" or "He is a ninja."  Last week they would have been all for dumping Lieberman and now they are crafting contorted rationalizations for why keeping him is a brilliant political strategem.  Those people?  They are Obamabots.  "

But they're also people. And they're also Democrats. And honestly, he is smarter than most of you are.  

How far you going to get demonizing Democrats rather than persuading them? You're self-marginalizing since most Dems are on board and giving him the benefit of the doubt at this point.  

[ Parent ]
I am officially outsmarted (4.00 / 2)
Being a "people" is way cool! No thought required! Just sit back and let greatness unfold!

Note to self: STFU for the next 8 years.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

[ Parent ]
Persuading? (4.00 / 1)
Where do you see that working?  There was a lynch mob in opposition to the WS bailout.  How far did they get?  

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  
[ Parent ]
Is the pepto bismo (0.00 / 0)
ad a joke?
I love blogs (4.00 / 3)
That is all.
You know, (4.00 / 8)
It is possible both to generally agree that certain criticisms are legitimate and to believe that certain people advancing those criticisms are behaving like 5-year-olds.  

Grow up.  It's the self-righteousness above all else that is nauseating.  No one person is the god of the progressive movement.

Great (4.00 / 2)
Finally.  Anger. Actually, I scrolled through some of your earlier diaries, and you were angry before today.  But it is refreshing to see other people not wandering in an Obama-Vegetative State.  Change requires activism, litigation, legislation, critique, and (gulp) compromise.  Presently, most of Obama's liberal supporters still believe he has a magic wand and will easily get things done.  Worse -- they even believe that he too is liberal!  Some of us started blogs just to respond to this nonsense.  It started during the primaries.  I actually believe that everything the left said that supposedly made Clinton unacceptable (divisive, liar, etc) made her the more provocative candidate who would go after the right.  Imagine the "payback" that Clinton would have for a Lieberman or others who crossed liberals.  She would take hostages and shove change upon people.  Right now, Obama is compromising away everything. http://dissentingjustice.blogs...
Not buying it. (4.00 / 3)
I have a lot of problems with Obama and am not afraid to share them.  That said, I have zero confidence that Hillary would not be equally triangulating and disappointing.

First off, Hillary's actual campaign invoked GOP stereotypes far more than Obama's did.

Arugula?  "Clinging"?  "Elitist"? These were attempts to pander to the "Real Americans" in rural areas by throwing urban liberals under the bus.

Second, Hillary managed to surround herself with corporate insiders who have been contemptuous of liberals for years.  McAuliffe? Penn?  Ickes?  Bill Clinton?  Do you think these guys were agitating for Lieberman's head?  Guess again.

[ Parent ]
some people here (4.00 / 4)
have a goddammn martyr complex big enough to outdo the whole of catholic history.  
actually proving his point.... (0.00 / 0)
Now, public disagreement with Obama means that the critic has a martyr complex.  Great.  When I talked about Obama's victory with my brother, he said I see all of these people celebrating but they are still black, poor and hungry.  He's right.  Let's see what the savior of all will do about racialized poverty.  I am not holding my breath.  That's why Harriet Tubman, rather than Lincoln, is my inspiration as a black man.  
[ Parent ]
if your point is (4.00 / 3)
"i'm right and you're wrong"

noone bothers explaining what the big freaking crisis is

its just OMG BAD IF YOU DON:T SEE IT YOU'RE BLIND OH AND THAT PROVES MY POINT YOU MUST BE A SELLOUT TOO

[ Parent ]
'still black, poor and hungry' (4.00 / 2)
And two weeks after the election no less!  Obama -- what a disappointing failure!  The fact that he's NOT SWORN IN YET means nothing, I know.  He still sucks.  
[ Parent ]
spare the melodrama (0.00 / 0)
your words, not mine.  my beef is more with the obama-zombies who walk around incapable of uttering any critical insight or who still believe that a revolution occurred two weeks ago.  they -- not obama -- are disappointing.  
[ Parent ]
Straw... (4.00 / 1)
...meet man.
[ Parent ]
Well, if we're all piling on (0.00 / 0)
David, please stop using corporatist and corporatism to mean favoring corporations, as you did earlier with
"buypartisanship" (ie. bipartisan corporatism)

As someone with a political science degree, I would have thought that you would know that that is not what corporatism or corporatist is.

Phillipe Schmitter, who has written extensively on corporatism, defines it as:

a system of interest and/or attitude representation, a particular modal or ideal-typical institutional arrangement for linking the associationally organized interests of civil society with the decisional structures of the state.

In the basic comparative politics understanding of coporatism, employers and labor organize themselves into peak associations, which form with the state a sort of 3-legged stool to create state policy. It has nothing to do with favoring business interests.

"Never separate the life you live from the words you speak" -Paul Wellstone

right -- it is related to fascism. nt. (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
It is used colloquially as that (0.00 / 0)
It is used colloquially as a term encompassing favoring business interests. Yes, I know - hard to believe that terms are often used in a different way outside the academic Ivory Tower...but come on out here, it's nice!
[ Parent ]
Fascism is merely the right when organized (0.00 / 0)
as opposed to disheveled and shackled.
[ Parent ]
ok, but... (0.00 / 0)
Sirota hardly began using the term corporatism as short hand for our business centric, corporate lobbyist law writing, use the government as their personal ATM style government. That is not exactly the same as right wingers calling Obama a socialist, for example. Though I guess the more accurate term would be neoliberal?
[ Parent ]
Funny Stuff (4.00 / 7)
UPDATE: For all who took to the comments to take this post way too seriously, let's just say you're on Candid Camera. Get a grip - and lighten up!

When your snark is indistinguishable from your own "serious" posts, you've descended into actual self-parody.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!

He does this all the time. nt (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
Make it stop (0.00 / 0)
If I knew winning was going to be this intolerable, I would have stayed home.

Conduct your own interview of Sarah Palin!
[ Parent ]
Nah. (0.00 / 0)
We both know you don't mean that, fwiffo.  David's waaaahmbulance-calling is a very small price to pay in the aftermath of victory.
[ Parent ]
Drama Queen (4.00 / 1)
For everybody who feel addressed by this name call, let's just say you're on Candid Camera. Get a grip - and lighten up!
weird (4.00 / 5)
You sound like McCain discussing the celebrity ad.  I'd go on to say that David is acting just like an abusive, passive-aggressive husband here: You're wrong to be offended by my jokes putting you down.

Anyway, everyone understands that when you compare your commenters to Nazis you've lost the argument, and he passed that point earlier today. Why anyone is encouraging him is beyond me.  It's a shame because half the time he's one of the best on the internet.

   

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

[ Parent ]
you forgot (0.00 / 0)
"Chill out! Grow up! Get a reality check! Geez! What's your damage!?"

i mean, you might as well be complete about it.

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.

Why does David Sirota h8 Obama? (0.00 / 0)
Didn't he get a unity pony?

I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD.  
Didn't you post this in a previous thread? (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
What is the point (4.00 / 2)
of this post?  First you babble on about people calling you all sorts of names for criticizing Obama, then you tell everyone it was a joke.  I fail to understand what the point of this is.    
you aren't alone. nt. (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
I like 90s music n/t (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
har, har, David (4.00 / 2)
No one is slamming you for slamming Obama or the party.  I slam you for doing it five times a day, starting the day after the election, weeks before the guy has been sworn in, and usually with a pretty thick layer of bullshit and worst-case scenarios.  I can't recall if you wrote any columns knocking your hero Schweitzer for telling people last year that he might support Romney.  It basically meant nothing, as do most of the things you seem convinced are the slow death of the Democratic party and the obviously failing Obama presidency.  Give it a rest until SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS THAT MEANS SOMETHING ... and you might not have to snark out a post like this one.
Applause (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for that.
[ Parent ]
David, you need help.* (0.00 / 0)
*To be clear, no because you've critisized Obama but because you appear to have some serious self-confidence and passive-aggressive issues.
Touche (0.00 / 0)
However, Kos actually did have a meltdown along these lines a few days ago, so it's not completely unprecedented.
You forgot "bugfucker" (0.00 / 0)
Where's my little blue book of daily Barackables™? (0.00 / 0)
Like Mao, but more shizzle.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton
david sirota vs. barack obama (0.00 / 0)
i voted for barack obama.

just sayin'.
s.

See what I get for stepping out for a few days (4.00 / 1)
I come back and it's like the rumble scene from Anchorman.

Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand!  

DFH's should reframe their role within the Democratic party (0.00 / 0)
DFH's shouldn't been seen as whining. Instead, maybe they should take the offense and say that 'career politicians' are loosing touch with their base, with those who put them in power.

There are probably other useful frames as well. Any suggestions?

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